The national debt just crossed $39 trillion—almost doubling since Trump vowed to erase it

[Matted Joybeard]

 

[JonKoch]

THe middle class got the biggest tax cut in history after Bidenflation crushed their affodrability.

Sure they did, sure, BUT I thought righties were worried about the DEBT?

Putting aside the extension of existing cuts, almost half of households will see an income tax cut of less than $100 in 2026 under the new tax law.

About 20% of households will see a tax cut of more than $1,000. These households are concentrated in the upper-middle income range.

https://budgetlab.yale.edu/research... of households will,Bill Act (OBBBA) into law.

THOSE ARE TEMPORARY HOWEVER, THE RICHEST AND CORPS ARE PERMANENT. Weird right?

The Big Beautiful Bill (BBB) mainly cuts taxes, health care, and SNAP, with most tax cuts benefiting the rich​

Deficit impact of BBB provisions, 2025–2034

7 Ways the Big Beautiful Bill Cuts Taxes for the Rich

Overall, the Big Beautiful Bill will harm poor Americans and raise the incomes of rich Americans—driving gains for the rich through cuts to marginal tax rates and the estate tax, along with tax breaks for businesses, business owners, and investors.

www.americanprogress.org

WORRIED ABOUT THE DEBT HUH? LMAOROG

 

[JonKoch]

Sounds like your beef is with the liberals who pushed through Part D, not the conservatives who opposed it. Also the idea of “unfunded tax cuts” is moronic. When you set money aside for saving and investing each month do you ask yourself “How am I going to pay for that?” That “logic” is another leftwing wording film flam.

They call massive spending “investment”; and tax savings “spending”. Totally ass backwards and perverted.

Liberals pushed through part D?WOW

How many of the GOPers would YOU consider liberal? I guess we could consider the lone D sponsor a liberal?

Sponsor: Rep. Hastert, J. Dennis [R-IL-14]

1. Rep. DeLay, Tom [R-TX-22]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Blunt, Roy [R-MO-7]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Pryce, Deborah [R-OH-15]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Thomas, William M. [R-CA-22]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Tauzin, W. J. (Billy) [R-LA-3]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Johnson, Nancy L. [R-CT-5]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Bilirakis, Michael [R-FL-9]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Peterson, Collin C. [D-MN-7]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Capito, Shelley Moore [R-WV-2]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Brown-Waite, Ginny [R-FL-5]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Bradley, Jeb [R-NH-1]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Burns, Max [R-GA-12]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Dunn, Jennifer [R-WA-8]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Fletcher, Ernie [R-KY-6]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Goss, Porter J. [R-FL-14]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Graves, Sam [R-MO-6]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. McCrery, Jim [R-LA-4]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Nunes, Devin [R-CA-21]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Simmons, Rob [R-CT-2]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Sullivan, John [R-OK-1]*	06/25/2003 HOW ABOUT THE ACTUAL VOTE IN THE HOUSE? votes by party Party Yeas Nays Present Republican 204 25 0 0 Democratic 16 189 0 0

   [th]

   Cosponsor​

   [/th][th]

   Date Cosponsored​

   [/th]​
   SENATE

LOOKS LIKE 8 SENATE DEMS HUH? TWENTY FIVE OF THE 274 VOTES YES WERE DEMOCRATS RIGHT? Wow lot's of liberals on the GOP side in 2003!

YEAs ---54​

Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Carper (D-DE)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McConnell (R-KY)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-NE)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)

https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/house-bill/1/all-actions?q=%7B%22roll-call-vote%22%3A%22all%22%7D

 

[JonKoch]

Sounds like your beef is with the liberals who pushed through Part D, not the conservatives who opposed it. Also the idea of “unfunded tax cuts” is moronic. When you set money aside for saving and investing each month do you ask yourself “How am I going to pay for that?” That “logic” is another leftwing wording film flam.

They call massive spending “investment”; and tax savings “spending”. Totally ass backwards and perverted.

Sorry Cupcake, only morons don't understand IF you cut funding you MUST cut spending or debt goes up, look at the past 45 years of Repug Prez's gutting revenues AS they blow up spending to see the results ($39 trillion of debt!). A TAX CUT IS UNFUNDED IF YOU DON'T CUT SPENDING

 

[Mashmont]

Sorry Cupcake, only morons don't understand IF you cut funding you MUST cut spending or debt goes up, look at the past 45 years of Repug Prez's gutting revenues AS they blow up spending to see the results ($39 trillion of debt!). A TAX CUT IS UNFUNDED IF YOU DON'T CUT SPENDING

This kind of gibberish is why leftwingers are poor.

 

[Mashmont]

Liberals pushed through part D?WOW

How many of the GOPers would YOU consider liberal? I guess we could consider the lone D sponsor a liberal?

Sponsor: Rep. Hastert, J. Dennis [R-IL-14]

1. Rep. DeLay, Tom [R-TX-22]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Blunt, Roy [R-MO-7]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Pryce, Deborah [R-OH-15]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Thomas, William M. [R-CA-22]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Tauzin, W. J. (Billy) [R-LA-3]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Johnson, Nancy L. [R-CT-5]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Bilirakis, Michael [R-FL-9]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Peterson, Collin C. [D-MN-7]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Capito, Shelley Moore [R-WV-2]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Brown-Waite, Ginny [R-FL-5]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Bradley, Jeb [R-NH-1]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Burns, Max [R-GA-12]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Dunn, Jennifer [R-WA-8]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Fletcher, Ernie [R-KY-6]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Goss, Porter J. [R-FL-14]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Graves, Sam [R-MO-6]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. McCrery, Jim [R-LA-4]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Nunes, Devin [R-CA-21]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Simmons, Rob [R-CT-2]*	06/25/2003
   Rep. Sullivan, John [R-OK-1]*	06/25/2003 HOW ABOUT THE ACTUAL VOTE IN THE HOUSE? votes by party Party Yeas Nays Present Republican 204 25 0 0 Democratic 16 189 0 0

   
   
   [th]
   Cosponsor
   
   [/th][th]
   Date Cosponsored
   
   [/th]​
   
   SENATE

LOOKS LIKE 8 SENATE DEMS HUH? TWENTY FIVE OF THE 274 VOTES YES WERE DEMOCRATS RIGHT? Wow lot's of liberals on the GOP side in 2003!

YEAs ---54​

Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Carper (D-DE)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McConnell (R-KY)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-NE)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)

https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/house-bill/1/all-actions?q=%7B%22roll-call-vote%22%3A%22all%22%7D

It's funny how you absolve leftwingers of the debt when they spend like crazy people.

 

[JonKoch]

Trump's spending habits win him the crown for BIG SPENDING Presidents. He added $4.5 Trillion to the national debt in 2020 and he started out strong in 2025 by adding $2.3 Trillion. Does he care? Not in the slightest! It will be someone else's problem when all the dust settles. But I can guarantee you and he and his family will be economically enriched by his reckless and irresponsible spending habits.

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Also all the spending bills passed and revenue reduction (tax cuts for the richest) don't go away just because your terms up. Look to Dubya/GOP's MASSIVE Medicare expansion that costs over $200+ billion a year passed in 2003, without a single penny of funding (and that doesn't include the interest to borrow the money!)

 

[JonKoch]

Afraid to make the hard choices, are you?

Me, nah, I say fire every GOP Rep and Senator in DC. Go back to the tax rates we had 1945-1980 when the richest paid EFFECTIVE rates of 70%+ instead of less than 20% of today, on the 200%-300% LARGER SHARE OF THE PIE THEY TAKE!

 

[Darkwind]

Me, nah, I say fire every GOP Rep and Senator in DC. Go back to the tax rates we had 1945-1980 when the richest paid EFFECTIVE rates of 70%+ instead of less than 20% of today, on the 200%-300% LARGER SHARE OF THE PIE THEY TAKE!

Oh, the wrong answer.

OKay.

 

[JonKoch]

Democrat cultists have been programmed to believe everything bad in the economy is the republicans' fault and everything good is because of democrats. That is a stupid and ignorant assumption and political belief.

So If I can show you that Clinton had 4 surpluses, 3 after vetoing the GOP's $792+ billion tax cut, and left US with a $5.8 trillion debt but as soon as Dubya/GOP took control in 2001, debt to GDP skyrocketed? AND that Dubya/GOP policies like "let markets self regulate" helped the Bankster world wide subprime bubble inflate? And that Dubya/GOP chose to go to TWO UNFUNDED wars, ONE while gutting revenues? Then Dubya/GOP passed the largest UNFUNDED expansion of Gov't services EVER when they pushed through the privatization of Medicare act of 2003?

Would that explain, maybe a little of why liberals might think GOP governance is BS?

Doesn't even count Ronnie and Cheeto blowing up spending AS they gutted revenues

 

[JonKoch]

All government spending can be traced back to the US House. A president should not be primarily credited or blamed for what the House does.

So Prez's DON'T and are not responsible for policies they push huh? It's 100% in the House? Wow I wish I knew that when Cheeto and Dubya were taking credit for their economies

 

[JonKoch]

Inflation was far worse under Biden than under Trump. Thart is not bias, that is fact.

Sure, Cheeto did a horrible job during Covid and handed Biden a shitty economy, BUT

The American economy​

The envy of the world​

Special reports - Oct 19th 2024
The American economy has left other rich countries in the dust. Expect that to continue, argue

...Even more striking is how America has outperformed its peers among the mature economies.


...since the start of 2020, just before the covid-19 pandemic, America’s real growth has been 10%, three times the average for the rest of the G7 countries. Among the G20 group, which includes large emerging markets, America is the only one whose output and employment are above pre-pandemic expectations, according to the International Monetary Fund.

https://archive.ph/PGi6r#selection-1313.56-1321.183

I GUESS BEATING THE REST OF THE WORLD, WHEN INFLATION SPIKED DOESN'T COUNT THUH? WHAT WILL YOU BLAME FOR CHEETO'S INFLATION NOW? Hillary ? Gavin? Kamala?

 

[JonKoch]

No they arent there is plenty of democrat waste still in the government

House Budget Committee chairman Jodey Arrington (R-Texas) is reviving an idea that was considered last year to fund Affordable Care Act payments known as cost-sharing reductions.

• The Congressional Budget Office previously found the move would lower overall benchmark ACA premiums by 11% but result in 300,000 more uninsured people.
• 
  
• It would cut the subsidy amount that some enrollees receive, thereby increasing out-of-pocket premium costs, while saving the government over $30 billion.

https://www.axios.com/2026/03/30/gop-health-care-pay-iran-war

SOMEONE NEEDS MONEY FOR CHEETO'S WAR YOU KNOW

 

[JonKoch]

I'm shocked, you mean he's not going to fund it himself like the Big Beautiful Ballroom? Has to be fake news, Cheeto would NEVER want to take other peoples money.

 

[markef]

Sorry Cupcake, only morons don't understand IF you cut funding you MUST cut spending or debt goes up, look at the past 45 years of Repug Prez's gutting revenues AS they blow up spending to see the results ($39 trillion of debt!). A TAX CUT IS UNFUNDED IF YOU DON'T CUT SPENDING

Democrats don't see high taxes as a burden on Americans and for some strange reason they view tax cuts as unjustified burdens on government.

 

[markef]

Also all the spending bills passed and revenue reduction (tax cuts for the richest) don't go away just because your terms up. Look to Dubya/GOP's MASSIVE Medicare expansion that costs over $200+ billion a year passed in 2003, without a single penny of funding (and that doesn't include the interest to borrow the money!)

At least JFK knew that cutting taxes was essential to boosting the economy.

Kennedy-Johnson Tax Cuts Stimulate the U.S. Economy | History | Research Starters | EBSCO Research

<p>The Kennedy-Johnson tax cuts in the early 1960s were implemented as a response to a sluggish U.S. economy marked by high unemployment, stagnant growth, and federal budget deficits. President John F. Kennedy and later President Lyndon B. Johnson aimed to stimulate economic activity through a...

www.ebsco.com

Kennedy-Johnson Tax Cuts Stimulate the U.S. Economy​

 

[markef]

Me, nah, I say fire every GOP Rep and Senator in DC. Go back to the tax rates we had 1945-1980 when the richest paid EFFECTIVE rates of 70%+ instead of less than 20% of today, on the 200%-300% LARGER SHARE OF THE PIE THEY TAKE!

Jimmy Carter had some of the highest tax rates ever which resulted in one of the worst economies in history.

‘Disgrace To The Human Race’: Jimmy Carter’s Populist Tax Talk

Joseph J. Thorndike examines Jimmy Carter’s tax policy stumbles during his presidential campaign.

www.forbes.com

Tax History: ‘Disgrace To The Human Race’: Jimmy Carter’s Populist Tax Talk​

 

[markef]

So If I can show you that Clinton had 4 surpluses, 3 after vetoing the GOP's $792+ billion tax cut, and left US with a $5.8 trillion debt but as soon as Dubya/GOP took control in 2001, debt to GDP skyrocketed? AND that Dubya/GOP policies like "let markets self regulate" helped the Bankster world wide subprime bubble inflate? And that Dubya/GOP chose to go to TWO UNFUNDED wars, ONE while gutting revenues? Then Dubya/GOP passed the largest UNFUNDED expansion of Gov't services EVER when they pushed through the privatization of Medicare act of 2003?

Would that explain, maybe a little of why liberals might think GOP governance is BS?

Doesn't even count Ronnie and Cheeto blowing up spending AS they gutted revenues

With Obama advocating for lowering home mortgage credit standards, Clinton signed the banking deregulation bill in 2000 that plunged the whole world into recession in 2008.

 

[markef]

So Prez's DON'T and are not responsible for policies they push huh? It's 100% in the House? Wow I wish I knew that when Cheeto and Dubya were taking credit for their economies

Democrats added more than $4 trillion to the US debt in the last year of Trump's 1st term. Who gets credit for that massive one-year hike in the debt?

 

[markef]

Sure, Cheeto did a horrible job during Covid and handed Biden a shitty economy, BUT

The American economy​

The envy of the world​

Special reports - Oct 19th 2024
The American economy has left other rich countries in the dust. Expect that to continue, argue

...Even more striking is how America has outperformed its peers among the mature economies.


...since the start of 2020, just before the covid-19 pandemic, America’s real growth has been 10%, three times the average for the rest of the G7 countries. Among the G20 group, which includes large emerging markets, America is the only one whose output and employment are above pre-pandemic expectations, according to the International Monetary Fund.

https://archive.ph/PGi6r#selection-1313.56-1321.183

I GUESS BEATING THE REST OF THE WORLD, WHEN INFLATION SPIKED DOESN'T COUNT THUH? WHAT WILL YOU BLAME FOR CHEETO'S INFLATION NOW? Hillary ? Gavin? Kamala?

America has been one of the richest nations on earth for decades, but that does not mean that we don't have serious tax and spending problems.