The Muslim claim to Jerusalem

[Penelope]

Blah blah long post for a yes/no question ..try again.

How is this, yep.

There you go, Nazi advocate.. you OK with Nazi aren't you?

Well it wasn't a yes or no question to begin with.

 

[irosie91]

[



And what are you , anti Palestinian or completely anti Muslim (they are semitic as well). You think people should go to hell because they don't like you fencing people in and bombing them, killing woman and children. I think hell is waiting for you. Those Palestinians have been living in hell since the Zionist came. You know what hell is like, you can see it.

Apparently I'm at fault, what about , Russia, Britain, France, Cuba, USA, Germany, and all the other places who couldn't tolerate you. Now you know why, look at what you are doing.

Oh now your talking the H word. Playing the violin. Let me tell you a secret , over 65 million people died in that World War and yes the Zionist did have a part in it. So now I understand the Jews want to make It all about their suffering and Truman and Churchill was more than happy to oblige, as the bombings of Japan, locking the Japanese up in our US concentration camps, and the fire bombings of Berlin took a backseat, not to mention Churchill letting all those India people starve, lets not get into the Japanese Pow camps, yes Hitler was the bad guy. Give me a break. I am very sorry for all the civilian Jews, Poles, homos, gypsies that died due to typhus, and starvation, overwork, and execution in WWII , but no more sorry for them than I am for all the others. Your blood is no more red than anyone else's. Also you raked Germany over and they are still paying , blood money is what it is, Judea declared war on Germany, NY Times 1933, Time to leave the Jewish arrogance behind, as there is a lot of baggage to carry along with it.[/QUOTE]


ROFLMAO-----very good Penelope------you have PROVEN your erudition in your one field of expertise------ISLAMO NAZI
SHIT PROPAGANDA. I doubt that you ever read a
WHOLE book-----just islamo Nazi pig propaganda----you are even up to date with the latest contrived shit

 

[Penelope]

[



And what are you , anti Palestinian or completely anti Muslim (they are semitic as well). You think people should go to hell because they don't like you fencing people in and bombing them, killing woman and children. I think hell is waiting for you. Those Palestinians have been living in hell since the Zionist came. You know what hell is like, you can see it.

Apparently I'm at fault, what about , Russia, Britain, France, Cuba, USA, Germany, and all the other places who couldn't tolerate you. Now you know why, look at what you are doing.

Oh now your talking the H word. Playing the violin. Let me tell you a secret , over 65 million people died in that World War and yes the Zionist did have a part in it. So now I understand the Jews want to make It all about their suffering and Truman and Churchill was more than happy to oblige, as the bombings of Japan, locking the Japanese up in our US concentration camps, and the fire bombings of Berlin took a backseat, not to mention Churchill letting all those India people starve, lets not get into the Japanese Pow camps, yes Hitler was the bad guy. Give me a break. I am very sorry for all the civilian Jews, Poles, homos, gypsies that died due to typhus, and starvation, overwork, and execution in WWII , but no more sorry for them than I am for all the others. Your blood is no more red than anyone else's. Also you raked Germany over and they are still paying , blood money is what it is, Judea declared war on Germany, NY Times 1933, Time to leave the Jewish arrogance behind, as there is a lot of baggage to carry along with it.

ROFLMAO-----very good Penelope------you have PROVEN your erudition in your one field of expertise------ISLAMO NAZI
SHIT PROPAGANDA. I doubt that you ever read a
WHOLE book-----just islamo Nazi pig propaganda----you are even up to date with the latest contrived shit[/QUOTE]


I'm so happy I could made you laugh.

 

[irosie91]

[



And what are you , anti Palestinian or completely anti Muslim (they are semitic as well). You think people should go to hell because they don't like you fencing people in and bombing them, killing woman and children. I think hell is waiting for you. Those Palestinians have been living in hell since the Zionist came. You know what hell is like, you can see it.

Apparently I'm at fault, what about , Russia, Britain, France, Cuba, USA, Germany, and all the other places who couldn't tolerate you. Now you know why, look at what you are doing.

Oh now your talking the H word. Playing the violin. Let me tell you a secret , over 65 million people died in that World War and yes the Zionist did have a part in it. So now I understand the Jews want to make It all about their suffering and Truman and Churchill was more than happy to oblige, as the bombings of Japan, locking the Japanese up in our US concentration camps, and the fire bombings of Berlin took a backseat, not to mention Churchill letting all those India people starve, lets not get into the Japanese Pow camps, yes Hitler was the bad guy. Give me a break. I am very sorry for all the civilian Jews, Poles, homos, gypsies that died due to typhus, and starvation, overwork, and execution in WWII , but no more sorry for them than I am for all the others. Your blood is no more red than anyone else's. Also you raked Germany over and they are still paying , blood money is what it is, Judea declared war on Germany, NY Times 1933, Time to leave the Jewish arrogance behind, as there is a lot of baggage to carry along with it.

ROFLMAO-----very good Penelope------you have PROVEN your erudition in your one field of expertise------ISLAMO NAZI
SHIT PROPAGANDA. I doubt that you ever read a
WHOLE book-----just islamo Nazi pig propaganda----you are even up to date with the latest contrived shit

I'm so happy I could made you laugh.[/QUOTE]

I have been laughing since I read your first post-----you remind me of my childhood and young adulthood-------from
a Nazi enclave in a small town in the USA-----to muslims from various parts of the world-------and the same islamo Nazi version of the world

 

[teddyearp]

Palestinian call the place "Beit Al-Maqdas", as a reminder that King Solomon's temple was there long before theirs.

They deny the same history to which they admit.

So what gives?

I know they have respect for Abraham, Moses and Jesus, but can you refer me to Muslim writing that they built the mosque there as a reminder that King Solomon's temple was there before theirs. If so I'm not sure how they are denying the same history they admit , Solomons temple has been long gone. Are you saying that in the 600's AD the Muslims should of rebuilt Solomons temple instead of their own?

Round and round she goes, just like the rest of Team Palestine (thx Daniyel). Where in the Muslim writing according to the article in the OP of this thread that you originally posted does the mosque come from? And do not go outside of the parameters that I bolded and underlined, since it is your article that I used for this thread.

 

[Penelope]

Palestinian call the place "Beit Al-Maqdas", as a reminder that King Solomon's temple was there long before theirs.

They deny the same history to which they admit.

So what gives?

I know they have respect for Abraham, Moses and Jesus, but can you refer me to Muslim writing that they built the mosque there as a reminder that King Solomon's temple was there before theirs. If so I'm not sure how they are denying the same history they admit , Solomons temple has been long gone. Are you saying that in the 600's AD the Muslims should of rebuilt Solomons temple instead of their own?

Round and round she goes, just like the rest of Team Palestine (thx Daniyel). Where in the Muslim writing according to the article in the OP of this thread that you originally posted does the mosque come from? And do not go outside of the parameters that I bolded and underlined, since it is your article that I used for this thread.

Here is a better article for you, he does get bias in the later part of that article. Read this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(637)

 

[teddyearp]

Hahahaha, another deflection @Penelope. I am only using your article in this thread and asked you to respond based on the information contained in said article.

But seeing the EPIC FAIL, and I guess not being able to read plain English, you deflect and go beyond.

 

[Penelope]

Hahahaha, another deflection @Penelope. I am only using your article in this thread and asked you to respond based on the information contained in said article.

But seeing the EPIC FAIL, and I guess not being able to read plain English, you deflect and go beyond.

The point is the Muslims did try to befriend the Jews and did use Jerusalem as their "holy city" till the Jews started to fight them

 

[Phoenall]

penelope? Ever heard of Emperor Hadrian? Yeah the one that banned the Jews from Jerusalem?

I think you both need to read the History of Palestine, yes its a wiki article but it will show that actually the Israelites had very little to do with the History of Palestine. The only right they have is by their OT which says God told Abraham , Isaac and Jacob, well God is not a man nor does he have vocal cords ok. so they were talking to themselves.

If everyone would read the history of Palestine on Wiki you will see the Palestine, Jews, and Christians all have a right to the land, and I might add, Muslims held the land for longer periods than the Jews did. I know its long but try to make it through it.

History of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know you need to research your sources better as this one comes from a sock puppet of D1061024473ec8f5506d933d3464966c8606dad6 and has been banned from Wikipedia. The name gives it away that the author has an ulterior motive in posting this false information ----- Alquds-Palestine

Must be about the tenth time I have debunked this wiki article on here as being ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA

 

[Phoenall]

penelope? Ever heard of Emperor Hadrian? Yeah the one that banned the Jews from Jerusalem?

Simon Bar Kokhba took the title Nasi Israel and ruled over a ministate that was virtually independent for two and a half years. The era of the redemption of Israel was announced, contracts were signed and a large quantity of Bar Kochba Revolt coinage was struck over foreign coins.
The Jewish leaders carefully planned the second revolt to avoid the numerous mistakes that had plagued the first Great Jewish Revolt sixty years earlier. In 132, a revolt led by Bar Kokhba quickly spread from Modi'in across the country, cutting off the Roman garrison in Jerusalem....... (read the rest from link below)

Note he took the title NASI ISRAEL, but he didn't turn out to be the Jewish messiah either did he. You know if the Jews had never fought against Rome they would of never been kicked out, but one want to be Messiah after another tried to overrule the Romans, and it never happened.
Bar Kokhba revolt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The arab muslims invaded Israel/Palestine in 635 C.E. and finally managed to steal a small portion of the land and hold it from 638 C.E. till 1099 C.E. when the Crusaders beat the crap out of them. This has been the history of the arab muslims since then in Palestine, they start a war and the enemy beats the crap out of them. Then idiots come along and try to prove that the arab muslims have owned the world for over 2,000 years

 

[Phoenall]

Hahahaha, another deflection @Penelope. I am only using your article in this thread and asked you to respond based on the information contained in said article.

But seeing the EPIC FAIL, and I guess not being able to read plain English, you deflect and go beyond.

The point is the Muslims did try to befriend the Jews and did use Jerusalem as their "holy city" till the Jews started to fight them

LIAR the fact is Mohamed the inventor of islam demanded that the Jews in medina fall down and worship him as god, this they refused so he committed genocide on them. The arab tribes were at war with each other and the Jews were working both sides. At no time in any history did the muslims try and befriend the Jews because the Jews would not extend them credit, so the muslims decided to enslave the Jews from the very beginning. Read the Koran and hadiths

 

[Penelope]

penelope? Ever heard of Emperor Hadrian? Yeah the one that banned the Jews from Jerusalem?

I think you both need to read the History of Palestine, yes its a wiki article but it will show that actually the Israelites had very little to do with the History of Palestine. The only right they have is by their OT which says God told Abraham , Isaac and Jacob, well God is not a man nor does he have vocal cords ok. so they were talking to themselves.

If everyone would read the history of Palestine on Wiki you will see the Palestine, Jews, and Christians all have a right to the land, and I might add, Muslims held the land for longer periods than the Jews did. I know its long but try to make it through it.

History of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know you need to research your sources better as this one comes from a sock puppet of D1061024473ec8f5506d933d3464966c8606dad6 and has been banned from Wikipedia. The name gives it away that the author has an ulterior motive in posting this false information ----- Alquds-Palestine

Must be about the tenth time I have debunked this wiki article on here as being ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA

It has not been debunked.

 

[docmauser1]

Hahahaha, another deflection @Penelope.I am only using your article in this thread and asked you to respond based on the information contained in said article. But seeing the EPIC FAIL, and I guess not being able to read plain English, you deflect and go beyond.

The point is the Muslims did try to befriend the Jews and did use Jerusalem as their "holy city" till the Jews started to fight them

Funny.

 

[Penelope]

Hahahaha, another deflection @Penelope.I am only using your article in this thread and asked you to respond based on the information contained in said article. But seeing the EPIC FAIL, and I guess not being able to read plain English, you deflect and go beyond.

The point is the Muslims did try to befriend the Jews and did use Jerusalem as their "holy city" till the Jews started to fight them

Funny.

Here read this article , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(637)

 

[Lipush]

Penelope said Jews own the internet as in the whole internet.
Facebook? We could do a better job at censoring it couldn't we?

speaking of facebook------"Penelope" complained that
DA JOOOOS hide their identities and change their names
to COVER up the fact that they are DA JOOOOS Uhm---
I am a jew------my name is NOT rosie. My parents are jews---
and born in the USA as was I.......north east. Why is
"PENELOPE" hiding all little facts about HERSELF?

Our greatest mistake is that we believe with owe any explenations to those haters.

Your name is not her goddamn business.

You could be called Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, who cares.

none of anyone's business.

How many of online chatters, posters, use their real names?

Seriously.

Pfft.

 

[Lipush]

Our prime minister is secular, yet just weeks ago in his speech he said that may God's will it'll be, that Israel will win the good fight, and added the words of our Rabbis- "The enernal nation is not afraid of a long journey".

Zionism is currently a political and national movement, and it is rooted in the Torah; God himself told Abraham to leave the land he sat in, to move to the Promised Land; The first Zionist the world had ever known was Abraham. Bloodshed was always in history, Christians should know better than anyone about bloodshed, and Jerusalem was always under fights.

I wasn't born here, no; But my mother was. And her mother before her, and her mother before her, back to the end of the 1800's. My children will be born here and so will theirs. That's the chain you cannot cut.

Most of the orthodox don't believe in Zionism because by their thinking, it's detaching from Judaism. the rest, maybe 10%, believe Zionism is against God because the Messiah is not yet here.

The orthodox who are against that are minority, as well

Oh well I see you more of a victim then that you have to live in a place that has known nothing but bloodshed. I do think by the time your children grown up, either the Jews wont' be there or the Palestinians wont.

Well I don't be

Penelope said Jews own the internet as in the whole internet.
Facebook? We could do a better job at censoring it couldn't we?

I also said Google, Wiki, and you tube as well plus many more site

We own facebook, though

Yes, don't you get royalties.

Read post 42, and its from Wiki of a poll taken in 2001. Your PM is secular. I am not saying you don't believe in God how would I know, if Daniel does I have no idea, but many Jews are secular. Zionism is a political movement, not a Godly movement. Look at all the bloodshed once again spilling in Jerusalem since the Jews have returned, and that is the will of God, certainty not the God I believe in. Everything you stand for, I imagine , were you born there? and your kids? I was born here and I care about this country as well. I find it funny that some Jews , the orthodox ones , do not believe in Zionism and then we have non Jews who believe in Zionism. I don't care, but you have people locked up illegally and you have yourself an outdoor prison, with a warden.

Our prime minister is secular, yet just weeks ago in his speech he said that may God's will it'll be, that Israel will win the good fight, and added the words of our Rabbis- "The enernal nation is not afraid of a long journey".

Zionism is currently a political and national movement, and it is rooted in the Torah; God himself told Abraham to leave the land he sat in, to move to the Promised Land; The first Zionist the world had ever known was Abraham. Bloodshed was always in history, Christians should know better than anyone about bloodshed, and Jerusalem was always under fights.

I wasn't born here, no; But my mother was. And her mother before her, and her mother before her, back to the end of the 1800's. My children will be born here and so will theirs. That's the chain you cannot cut.

Most of the orthodox don't believe in Zionism because by their thinking, it's detaching from Judaism. the rest, maybe 10%, believe Zionism is against God because the Messiah is not yet here.

The orthodox who are against that are minority, as well

I feel bad that you might be in harms way. Why would you move back there with the history of violence when you have kids. I do hope by the time your kids are grown there won't be anymore fighting, but I doubt it. Stay safe. I feel you and your children are victims along with the other civilians living there, through no fault of their own are in the midst of this nightmare. Since you believe in the literal Bible, God also said from now on he'd write his laws on our hearts, the temple is just a building , and the land is full of bloodshed and graves. Your a victim of the power hungry people in your government.

"I see you more of a victim then that you have to live in a place that has known nothing but bloodshed."

Just shows how little you really know about Israel and Israelis.

The media paints Israel as if there is only bloodshed here, couldn't be farer from the truth.

Israel is a great country, with great people, joyous people. I had a wonderful childhood around awesome individuals.

Those who say Israel is all about blood, killing, and other nonsense obviously know nothing about us.

You all fall into what the media feeds you.

So sad.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

They need to visit Israel, Lipush, to see what it is really like and how all religions mix freely, and how people feel happy there.

 

[Lipush]

I feel bad that you might be in harms way.

Yeah, I bet you're crushed

Why would you move back there with the history of violence when you have kids.

I could ask why on earth people raise kids in America when every day an a*hole with a gun can enter your kid's preschool with a gun and start spraying people.

That happening to your kids is more likely than my own getting killed in a terror attack, btw.

That is my home, where my mother was born in, and her mother, and her mother before her. You don't leave home because of difficulties or because it's hard to deal. You suck it up and insist on staying.

I do hope by the time your kids are grown there won't be anymore fighting, but I doubt it.

Pfft. Like the known saying, when an Israeli child asks his or her mom when he/she will serve in the army when they grow up, and are they gonna die. Mom says, "don't worry, there will be no armies once you're a grown up". When you mature a bit you realize she was just white-lying.

Stay safe. I feel you and your children are victims along with the other civilians living there, through no fault of their own are in the midst of this nightmare. Since you believe in the literal Bible, God also said from now on he'd write his laws on our hearts, the temple is just a building , and the land is full of bloodshed and graves. Your a victim of the power hungry people in your government.

The only literal thing I believe is, is everyday life. I respect the religion and tradition, but don't jump to any conclusion

Victim of my own government?

Aren't we all victims of governments? all over the planet.

 

[Penelope]

Our prime minister is secular, yet just weeks ago in his speech he said that may God's will it'll be, that Israel will win the good fight, and added the words of our Rabbis- "The enernal nation is not afraid of a long journey".

Zionism is currently a political and national movement, and it is rooted in the Torah; God himself told Abraham to leave the land he sat in, to move to the Promised Land; The first Zionist the world had ever known was Abraham. Bloodshed was always in history, Christians should know better than anyone about bloodshed, and Jerusalem was always under fights.

I wasn't born here, no; But my mother was. And her mother before her, and her mother before her, back to the end of the 1800's. My children will be born here and so will theirs. That's the chain you cannot cut.

Most of the orthodox don't believe in Zionism because by their thinking, it's detaching from Judaism. the rest, maybe 10%, believe Zionism is against God because the Messiah is not yet here.

The orthodox who are against that are minority, as well

Oh well I see you more of a victim then that you have to live in a place that has known nothing but bloodshed. I do think by the time your children grown up, either the Jews wont' be there or the Palestinians wont.

Well I don't be

Penelope said Jews own the internet as in the whole internet.
Facebook? We could do a better job at censoring it couldn't we?

I also said Google, Wiki, and you tube as well plus many more site

We own facebook, though

Yes, don't you get royalties.

Read post 42, and its from Wiki of a poll taken in 2001. Your PM is secular. I am not saying you don't believe in God how would I know, if Daniel does I have no idea, but many Jews are secular. Zionism is a political movement, not a Godly movement. Look at all the bloodshed once again spilling in Jerusalem since the Jews have returned, and that is the will of God, certainty not the God I believe in. Everything you stand for, I imagine , were you born there? and your kids? I was born here and I care about this country as well. I find it funny that some Jews , the orthodox ones , do not believe in Zionism and then we have non Jews who believe in Zionism. I don't care, but you have people locked up illegally and you have yourself an outdoor prison, with a warden.

Our prime minister is secular, yet just weeks ago in his speech he said that may God's will it'll be, that Israel will win the good fight, and added the words of our Rabbis- "The enernal nation is not afraid of a long journey".

Zionism is currently a political and national movement, and it is rooted in the Torah; God himself told Abraham to leave the land he sat in, to move to the Promised Land; The first Zionist the world had ever known was Abraham. Bloodshed was always in history, Christians should know better than anyone about bloodshed, and Jerusalem was always under fights.

I wasn't born here, no; But my mother was. And her mother before her, and her mother before her, back to the end of the 1800's. My children will be born here and so will theirs. That's the chain you cannot cut.

Most of the orthodox don't believe in Zionism because by their thinking, it's detaching from Judaism. the rest, maybe 10%, believe Zionism is against God because the Messiah is not yet here.

The orthodox who are against that are minority, as well

I feel bad that you might be in harms way. Why would you move back there with the history of violence when you have kids. I do hope by the time your kids are grown there won't be anymore fighting, but I doubt it. Stay safe. I feel you and your children are victims along with the other civilians living there, through no fault of their own are in the midst of this nightmare. Since you believe in the literal Bible, God also said from now on he'd write his laws on our hearts, the temple is just a building , and the land is full of bloodshed and graves. Your a victim of the power hungry people in your government.

"I see you more of a victim then that you have to live in a place that has known nothing but bloodshed."

Just shows how little you really know about Israel and Israelis.

The media paints Israel as if there is only bloodshed here, couldn't be farer from the truth.

Israel is a great country, with great people, joyous people. I had a wonderful childhood around awesome individuals.

Those who say Israel is all about blood, killing, and other nonsense obviously know nothing about us.

You all fall into what the media feeds you.

So sad.

Well I disagree, I do not want to live in a place that has bloodshed and bombing. I thank God I don't. Crime would be bad enough , but I also thank God we don't have much of that where we live. Well it is your government and their newspapers that tell us how all the Arabs are out to get you and your always worried about your life's due to the Palestinians and Hamas.

Yes we are all victims of our government that is for sure, the biggest problem with the US government is its involvement where it should not be and its preemptive wars, such as all the ME wars on behalf of your country and SA, and too many Zionist in our government. Its a horrible thing to see your men come home with legs lost and arms blown off, that is bad enough so I'd hate to see what is happening in your country happen here, 9-11 was bad enough.

I'm glad to hear its not as bad as they say.

PS: I missed this:

I could ask why on earth people raise kids in America when every day an a*hole with a gun can enter your kid's preschool with a gun and start spraying people.
That happening to your kids is more likely than my own getting killed in a terror attack,

That is a real good question, I can't understand it myself. Decrease in morals have been on the rise in the US, broken marriages, absentee Fathers, I think that may have a lot to do with it, drugs, etc.

 

[Daniyel]

I don't take myself as a 'victim' of my government or the israeli newspapers, I can choose what to do and I take full responsibility for things I do good and bad, blaming someone else is probably backward step, and it also blurring my personal judgment, weak characteristic ideology I'm not willing to accept.