The Muslim claim to Jerusalem

[ChrisL]

Hahahaha, another deflection @Penelope. I am only using your article in this thread and asked you to respond based on the information contained in said article.

But seeing the EPIC FAIL, and I guess not being able to read plain English, you deflect and go beyond.

The point is the Muslims did try to befriend the Jews and did use Jerusalem as their "holy city" till the Jews started to fight them

The only way the Muslims would ever accept the Jews is if the Jews agreed to be dhimmis. The Muslims see the Jewish as less than human beings.

 

[Penelope]

I don't take myself as a 'victim' of my government or the israeli newspapers, I can choose what to do and I take full responsibility for things I do good and bad, blaming someone else is probably backward step, and it also blurring my personal judgment, weak characteristic ideology I'm not willing to accept.

That may be as your in agreement with what your government is doing. I am not and haven't been for quite awhile. I have no idea who to vote for anymore, they all want to go to war. I don't think we have any business in the ME affairs, and I don't believe in preemptive wars. As far as our own personal beliefs and how we live our life, I agree
we have to take responsibility for them.

 

[Lipush]

I like that prespective, Daniyel

 

[Lipush]

Our prime minister is secular, yet just weeks ago in his speech he said that may God's will it'll be, that Israel will win the good fight, and added the words of our Rabbis- "The enernal nation is not afraid of a long journey".

Zionism is currently a political and national movement, and it is rooted in the Torah; God himself told Abraham to leave the land he sat in, to move to the Promised Land; The first Zionist the world had ever known was Abraham. Bloodshed was always in history, Christians should know better than anyone about bloodshed, and Jerusalem was always under fights.

I wasn't born here, no; But my mother was. And her mother before her, and her mother before her, back to the end of the 1800's. My children will be born here and so will theirs. That's the chain you cannot cut.

Most of the orthodox don't believe in Zionism because by their thinking, it's detaching from Judaism. the rest, maybe 10%, believe Zionism is against God because the Messiah is not yet here.

The orthodox who are against that are minority, as well

Oh well I see you more of a victim then that you have to live in a place that has known nothing but bloodshed. I do think by the time your children grown up, either the Jews wont' be there or the Palestinians wont.

Well I don't be

Penelope said Jews own the internet as in the whole internet.
Facebook? We could do a better job at censoring it couldn't we?

I also said Google, Wiki, and you tube as well plus many more site

We own facebook, though

Yes, don't you get royalties.

Read post 42, and its from Wiki of a poll taken in 2001. Your PM is secular. I am not saying you don't believe in God how would I know, if Daniel does I have no idea, but many Jews are secular. Zionism is a political movement, not a Godly movement. Look at all the bloodshed once again spilling in Jerusalem since the Jews have returned, and that is the will of God, certainty not the God I believe in. Everything you stand for, I imagine , were you born there? and your kids? I was born here and I care about this country as well. I find it funny that some Jews , the orthodox ones , do not believe in Zionism and then we have non Jews who believe in Zionism. I don't care, but you have people locked up illegally and you have yourself an outdoor prison, with a warden.

Our prime minister is secular, yet just weeks ago in his speech he said that may God's will it'll be, that Israel will win the good fight, and added the words of our Rabbis- "The enernal nation is not afraid of a long journey".

Zionism is currently a political and national movement, and it is rooted in the Torah; God himself told Abraham to leave the land he sat in, to move to the Promised Land; The first Zionist the world had ever known was Abraham. Bloodshed was always in history, Christians should know better than anyone about bloodshed, and Jerusalem was always under fights.

I wasn't born here, no; But my mother was. And her mother before her, and her mother before her, back to the end of the 1800's. My children will be born here and so will theirs. That's the chain you cannot cut.

Most of the orthodox don't believe in Zionism because by their thinking, it's detaching from Judaism. the rest, maybe 10%, believe Zionism is against God because the Messiah is not yet here.

The orthodox who are against that are minority, as well

I feel bad that you might be in harms way. Why would you move back there with the history of violence when you have kids. I do hope by the time your kids are grown there won't be anymore fighting, but I doubt it. Stay safe. I feel you and your children are victims along with the other civilians living there, through no fault of their own are in the midst of this nightmare. Since you believe in the literal Bible, God also said from now on he'd write his laws on our hearts, the temple is just a building , and the land is full of bloodshed and graves. Your a victim of the power hungry people in your government.

"I see you more of a victim then that you have to live in a place that has known nothing but bloodshed."

Just shows how little you really know about Israel and Israelis.

The media paints Israel as if there is only bloodshed here, couldn't be farer from the truth.

Israel is a great country, with great people, joyous people. I had a wonderful childhood around awesome individuals.

Those who say Israel is all about blood, killing, and other nonsense obviously know nothing about us.

You all fall into what the media feeds you.

So sad.

Well I disagree, I do not want to live in a place that has bloodshed and bombing. I thank God I don't. Crime would be bad enough , but I also thank God we don't have much of that where we live. Well it is your government and their newspapers that tell us how all the Arabs are out to get you and your always worried about your life's due to the Palestinians and Hamas.

Yes we are all victims of our government that is for sure, the biggest problem with the US government is its involvement where it should not be and its preemptive wars, such as all the ME wars on behalf of your country and SA, and too many Zionist in our government. Its a horrible thing to see your men come home with legs lost and arms blown off, that is bad enough so I'd hate to see what is happening in your country happen here, 9-11 was bad enough.

I'm glad to hear its not as bad as they say.

PS: I missed this:

I could ask why on earth people raise kids in America when every day an a*hole with a gun can enter your kid's preschool with a gun and start spraying people.
That happening to your kids is more likely than my own getting killed in a terror attack,

That is a real good question, I can't understand it myself. Decrease in morals have been on the rise in the US, broken marriages, absentee Fathers, I think that may have a lot to do with it, drugs, etc.

Buttom line is, you don't leave a place just because it has problems.

 

[Daniyel]

I don't take myself as a 'victim' of my government or the israeli newspapers, I can choose what to do and I take full responsibility for things I do good and bad, blaming someone else is probably backward step, and it also blurring my personal judgment, weak characteristic ideology I'm not willing to accept.

That may be as your in agreement with what your government is doing. I am not and haven't been for quite awhile. I have no idea who to vote for anymore, they all want to go to war. I don't think we have any business in the ME affairs, and I don't believe in preemptive wars. As far as our own personal beliefs and how we live our life, I agree
we have to take responsibility for them.

Capitalism is what America established over, the land of the possibilities, you don't need people to represent your perspectives, this is what I found wrong in the capitalism, remember the saying 'don't ask what america can do for you but what you can do for america'? - uhm..this kind of values faded statistically in America, I'm not even talking about Europe, my personal view shaped by the Jewish ideology I believe I can make the change and focusing on excuses or blaming someone else for my failure is incredibly counter-productive in all terms of life, US beyond the global interests must involve in the ME in a constructive way, the US could never get out of the debts fighting against China or Russia economics, specially with the global influence wars can create, and its in the American hands to prevent it, I bet you're against wars aren't you?
I think its hard for you to accept such ideologies of self sacrifice/dedication/power of will for something beyond yourself because you're not capable of doing so which is fine unless the frustration inside influence over your mind in search for reasonable explanation, so you end up blaming others for not even trying what you predict as a failure.
You can go to election, or do even lesser efforts and simply ask yourself why you end up blaming someone else over your own failure.

 

[Penelope]

That may be as your in agreement with what your government is doing. I am not and haven't been for quite awhile. I have no idea who to vote for anymore, they all want to go to war. I don't think we have any business in the ME affairs, and I don't believe in preemptive wars. As far as our own personal beliefs and how we live our life, I agree
we have to take responsibility for them.[/QUOTE]

Capitalism is what America established over, the land of the possibilities, you don't need people to represent your perspectives, this is what I found wrong in the capitalism, remember the saying 'don't ask what america can do for you but what you can do for america'?

Isn't Israel based on capitalism as well. I read the middle class is getting smaller as the top 1% have the money.

-

uhm..this kind of values faded statistically in America, I'm not even talking about Europe, my personal view shaped by the Jewish ideology I believe I can make the change and focusing on excuses or blaming someone else for my failure is incredibly counter-productive in all terms of life, US beyond the global interests must involve in the ME in a constructive way, the US could never get out of the debts fighting against China or Russia economics, specially with the global influence wars can create, and its in the American hands to prevent it, I bet you're against wars aren't you?

Your right lots of people think the government is suppose to take care of them. They came out and voted for Obama, but they are never there to vote much for anything else. We do have a money issue here, many people gave up due to no health ins. We use to be 70% manufacturing, and 30 % service and now its the opposite. Yes of course I am against wars, aren't you?? If not why not, There are better ways to deal with people.

I think its hard for you to accept such ideologies of self sacrifice/dedication/power of will for something beyond yourself because you're not capable of doing so which is fine unless the frustration inside influence over your mind in search for reasonable explanation, so you end up blaming others for not even trying what you predict as a failure.
You can go to election, or do even lesser efforts and simply ask yourself why you end up blaming someone else over your own failure.

Well I do my best, I spread the word, I work and I even did my part in the service when young and dumb. I don't expect a silver spoon and worked for all I have. But to be blunt I do not want our men fighting Syria, or Iran, when they are not our enemies. You fight them. Look at Iraq, what a nightmare. Why oh why is ISIS not attacking Israel, all of those Arabs hate you guys, remember? Your country is causing hatred, making us hate the Muslims. So you see I see my job now as waking people up to how Israel is controlling us and all the while backstabbing us.

OH you have what 8.2 mil, minus 1/2 for the Palestinians, and we have 317plus million.

 

[ChrisL]

That may be as your in agreement with what your government is doing. I am not and haven't been for quite awhile. I have no idea who to vote for anymore, they all want to go to war. I don't think we have any business in the ME affairs, and I don't believe in preemptive wars. As far as our own personal beliefs and how we live our life, I agree
we have to take responsibility for them.

Capitalism is what America established over, the land of the possibilities, you don't need people to represent your perspectives, this is what I found wrong in the capitalism, remember the saying 'don't ask what america can do for you but what you can do for america'?

Isn't Israel based on capitalism as well. I read the middle class is getting smaller as the top 1% have the money.

-

uhm..this kind of values faded statistically in America, I'm not even talking about Europe, my personal view shaped by the Jewish ideology I believe I can make the change and focusing on excuses or blaming someone else for my failure is incredibly counter-productive in all terms of life, US beyond the global interests must involve in the ME in a constructive way, the US could never get out of the debts fighting against China or Russia economics, specially with the global influence wars can create, and its in the American hands to prevent it, I bet you're against wars aren't you?

Your right lots of people think the government is suppose to take care of them. They came out and voted for Obama, but they are never there to vote much for anything else. We do have a money issue here, many people gave up due to no health ins. We use to be 70% manufacturing, and 30 % service and now its the opposite. Yes of course I am against wars, aren't you?? If not why not, There are better ways to deal with people.

I think its hard for you to accept such ideologies of self sacrifice/dedication/power of will for something beyond yourself because you're not capable of doing so which is fine unless the frustration inside influence over your mind in search for reasonable explanation, so you end up blaming others for not even trying what you predict as a failure.
You can go to election, or do even lesser efforts and simply ask yourself why you end up blaming someone else over your own failure.

Well I do my best, I spread the word, I work and I even did my part in the service when young and dumb. I don't expect a silver spoon and worked for all I have. But to be blunt I do not want our men fighting Syria, or Iran, when they are not our enemies. You fight them. Look at Iraq, what a nightmare. Why oh why is ISIS not attacking Israel, all of those Arabs hate you guys, remember? Your country is causing hatred, making us hate the Muslims. So you see I see my job now as waking people up to how Israel is controlling us and all the while backstabbing us.

OH you have what 8.2 mil, minus 1/2 for the Palestinians, and we have 317plus million.
[/QUOTE]

You are either crazy or just plain ignorant.

 

[Indeependent]

Stupid.

 

[Phoenall]

penelope? Ever heard of Emperor Hadrian? Yeah the one that banned the Jews from Jerusalem?

I think you both need to read the History of Palestine, yes its a wiki article but it will show that actually the Israelites had very little to do with the History of Palestine. The only right they have is by their OT which says God told Abraham , Isaac and Jacob, well God is not a man nor does he have vocal cords ok. so they were talking to themselves.

If everyone would read the history of Palestine on Wiki you will see the Palestine, Jews, and Christians all have a right to the land, and I might add, Muslims held the land for longer periods than the Jews did. I know its long but try to make it through it.

History of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know you need to research your sources better as this one comes from a sock puppet of D1061024473ec8f5506d933d3464966c8606dad6 and has been banned from Wikipedia. The name gives it away that the author has an ulterior motive in posting this false information ----- Alquds-Palestine

Must be about the tenth time I have debunked this wiki article on here as being ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA

It has not been debunked.

I have just done so by showing that the author was banned under Alquds-Palestine and his many other names. It was based on ISLAMONAZI LIES and BLOOD LIBELS and has no actual foundation in the truth.

 

[Phoenall]

Our prime minister is secular, yet just weeks ago in his speech he said that may God's will it'll be, that Israel will win the good fight, and added the words of our Rabbis- "The enernal nation is not afraid of a long journey".

Zionism is currently a political and national movement, and it is rooted in the Torah; God himself told Abraham to leave the land he sat in, to move to the Promised Land; The first Zionist the world had ever known was Abraham. Bloodshed was always in history, Christians should know better than anyone about bloodshed, and Jerusalem was always under fights.

I wasn't born here, no; But my mother was. And her mother before her, and her mother before her, back to the end of the 1800's. My children will be born here and so will theirs. That's the chain you cannot cut.

Most of the orthodox don't believe in Zionism because by their thinking, it's detaching from Judaism. the rest, maybe 10%, believe Zionism is against God because the Messiah is not yet here.

The orthodox who are against that are minority, as well

Oh well I see you more of a victim then that you have to live in a place that has known nothing but bloodshed. I do think by the time your children grown up, either the Jews wont' be there or the Palestinians wont.

Well I don't be

Penelope said Jews own the internet as in the whole internet.
Facebook? We could do a better job at censoring it couldn't we?

I also said Google, Wiki, and you tube as well plus many more site

We own facebook, though

Yes, don't you get royalties.

Read post 42, and its from Wiki of a poll taken in 2001. Your PM is secular. I am not saying you don't believe in God how would I know, if Daniel does I have no idea, but many Jews are secular. Zionism is a political movement, not a Godly movement. Look at all the bloodshed once again spilling in Jerusalem since the Jews have returned, and that is the will of God, certainty not the God I believe in. Everything you stand for, I imagine , were you born there? and your kids? I was born here and I care about this country as well. I find it funny that some Jews , the orthodox ones , do not believe in Zionism and then we have non Jews who believe in Zionism. I don't care, but you have people locked up illegally and you have yourself an outdoor prison, with a warden.

Our prime minister is secular, yet just weeks ago in his speech he said that may God's will it'll be, that Israel will win the good fight, and added the words of our Rabbis- "The enernal nation is not afraid of a long journey".

Zionism is currently a political and national movement, and it is rooted in the Torah; God himself told Abraham to leave the land he sat in, to move to the Promised Land; The first Zionist the world had ever known was Abraham. Bloodshed was always in history, Christians should know better than anyone about bloodshed, and Jerusalem was always under fights.

I wasn't born here, no; But my mother was. And her mother before her, and her mother before her, back to the end of the 1800's. My children will be born here and so will theirs. That's the chain you cannot cut.

Most of the orthodox don't believe in Zionism because by their thinking, it's detaching from Judaism. the rest, maybe 10%, believe Zionism is against God because the Messiah is not yet here.

The orthodox who are against that are minority, as well

I feel bad that you might be in harms way. Why would you move back there with the history of violence when you have kids. I do hope by the time your kids are grown there won't be anymore fighting, but I doubt it. Stay safe. I feel you and your children are victims along with the other civilians living there, through no fault of their own are in the midst of this nightmare. Since you believe in the literal Bible, God also said from now on he'd write his laws on our hearts, the temple is just a building , and the land is full of bloodshed and graves. Your a victim of the power hungry people in your government.

"I see you more of a victim then that you have to live in a place that has known nothing but bloodshed."

Just shows how little you really know about Israel and Israelis.

The media paints Israel as if there is only bloodshed here, couldn't be farer from the truth.

Israel is a great country, with great people, joyous people. I had a wonderful childhood around awesome individuals.

Those who say Israel is all about blood, killing, and other nonsense obviously know nothing about us.

You all fall into what the media feeds you.

So sad.

Well I disagree, I do not want to live in a place that has bloodshed and bombing. I thank God I don't. Crime would be bad enough , but I also thank God we don't have much of that where we live. Well it is your government and their newspapers that tell us how all the Arabs are out to get you and your always worried about your life's due to the Palestinians and Hamas.

Yes we are all victims of our government that is for sure, the biggest problem with the US government is its involvement where it should not be and its preemptive wars, such as all the ME wars on behalf of your country and SA, and too many Zionist in our government. Its a horrible thing to see your men come home with legs lost and arms blown off, that is bad enough so I'd hate to see what is happening in your country happen here, 9-11 was bad enough.

I'm glad to hear its not as bad as they say.

PS: I missed this:

I could ask why on earth people raise kids in America when every day an a*hole with a gun can enter your kid's preschool with a gun and start spraying people.
That happening to your kids is more likely than my own getting killed in a terror attack,

That is a real good question, I can't understand it myself. Decrease in morals have been on the rise in the US, broken marriages, absentee Fathers, I think that may have a lot to do with it, drugs, etc.

The same applied in Israel before they instigated the occupation and blockade, and the attacks stopped overnight. Then the Palestinians complained to the UN that the occupation and barrier was stopping them from killing Israeli children

 

[Penelope]

That may be as your in agreement with what your government is doing. I am not and haven't been for quite awhile. I have no idea who to vote for anymore, they all want to go to war. I don't think we have any business in the ME affairs, and I don't believe in preemptive wars. As far as our own personal beliefs and how we live our life, I agree
we have to take responsibility for them.

Capitalism is what America established over, the land of the possibilities, you don't need people to represent your perspectives, this is what I found wrong in the capitalism, remember the saying 'don't ask what america can do for you but what you can do for america'?

Isn't Israel based on capitalism as well. I read the middle class is getting smaller as the top 1% have the money.

-

uhm..this kind of values faded statistically in America, I'm not even talking about Europe, my personal view shaped by the Jewish ideology I believe I can make the change and focusing on excuses or blaming someone else for my failure is incredibly counter-productive in all terms of life, US beyond the global interests must involve in the ME in a constructive way, the US could never get out of the debts fighting against China or Russia economics, specially with the global influence wars can create, and its in the American hands to prevent it, I bet you're against wars aren't you?

Your right lots of people think the government is suppose to take care of them. They came out and voted for Obama, but they are never there to vote much for anything else. We do have a money issue here, many people gave up due to no health ins. We use to be 70% manufacturing, and 30 % service and now its the opposite. Yes of course I am against wars, aren't you?? If not why not, There are better ways to deal with people.

I think its hard for you to accept such ideologies of self sacrifice/dedication/power of will for something beyond yourself because you're not capable of doing so which is fine unless the frustration inside influence over your mind in search for reasonable explanation, so you end up blaming others for not even trying what you predict as a failure.
You can go to election, or do even lesser efforts and simply ask yourself why you end up blaming someone else over your own failure.

Well I do my best, I spread the word, I work and I even did my part in the service when young and dumb. I don't expect a silver spoon and worked for all I have. But to be blunt I do not want our men fighting Syria, or Iran, when they are not our enemies. You fight them. Look at Iraq, what a nightmare. Why oh why is ISIS not attacking Israel, all of those Arabs hate you guys, remember? Your country is causing hatred, making us hate the Muslims. So you see I see my job now as waking people up to how Israel is controlling us and all the while backstabbing us.

OH you have what 8.2 mil, minus 1/2 for the Palestinians, and we have 317plus million.

You are either crazy or just plain ignorant.[/QUOTE]


If you are going to insult people tell them why unless your are too plain ignorant.

 

[Penelope]

penelope? Ever heard of Emperor Hadrian? Yeah the one that banned the Jews from Jerusalem?

I think you both need to read the History of Palestine, yes its a wiki article but it will show that actually the Israelites had very little to do with the History of Palestine. The only right they have is by their OT which says God told Abraham , Isaac and Jacob, well God is not a man nor does he have vocal cords ok. so they were talking to themselves.

If everyone would read the history of Palestine on Wiki you will see the Palestine, Jews, and Christians all have a right to the land, and I might add, Muslims held the land for longer periods than the Jews did. I know its long but try to make it through it.

History of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know you need to research your sources better as this one comes from a sock puppet of D1061024473ec8f5506d933d3464966c8606dad6 and has been banned from Wikipedia. The name gives it away that the author has an ulterior motive in posting this false information ----- Alquds-Palestine

Must be about the tenth time I have debunked this wiki article on here as being ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA

It has not been debunked.

No you have not. How had it been debunked. It has many footnotes. You better give us more to go on.



I have just done so by showing that the author was banned under Alquds-Palestine and his many other names. It was based on ISLAMONAZI LIES and BLOOD LIBELS and has no actual foundation in the truth.

 

[Penelope]

Hahahaha, another deflection @Penelope. I am only using your article in this thread and asked you to respond based on the information contained in said article.

But seeing the EPIC FAIL, and I guess not being able to read plain English, you deflect and go beyond.

The point is the Muslims did try to befriend the Jews and did use Jerusalem as their "holy city" till the Jews started to fight them

The only way the Muslims would ever accept the Jews is if the Jews agreed to be dhimmis. The Muslims see the Jewish as less than human beings.

Oh and the Jewish feel the Muslims are less than humans as well, even gentiles. You want to go by the Quran lets go by your Rabbi's teaching throughout the years (most of which are disgusting), their Talmud and the OT .

 

[Penelope]

Our prime minister is secular, yet just weeks ago in his speech he said that may God's will it'll be, that Israel will win the good fight, and added the words of our Rabbis- "The enernal nation is not afraid of a long journey".

Zionism is currently a political and national movement, and it is rooted in the Torah; God himself told Abraham to leave the land he sat in, to move to the Promised Land; The first Zionist the world had ever known was Abraham. Bloodshed was always in history, Christians should know better than anyone about bloodshed, and Jerusalem was always under fights.

I wasn't born here, no; But my mother was. And her mother before her, and her mother before her, back to the end of the 1800's. My children will be born here and so will theirs. That's the chain you cannot cut.

Most of the orthodox don't believe in Zionism because by their thinking, it's detaching from Judaism. the rest, maybe 10%, believe Zionism is against God because the Messiah is not yet here.

The orthodox who are against that are minority, as well

Oh well I see you more of a victim then that you have to live in a place that has known nothing but bloodshed. I do think by the time your children grown up, either the Jews wont' be there or the Palestinians wont.

Well I don't be

Penelope said Jews own the internet as in the whole internet.
Facebook? We could do a better job at censoring it couldn't we?

I also said Google, Wiki, and you tube as well plus many more site

We own facebook, though

Yes, don't you get royalties.

Read post 42, and its from Wiki of a poll taken in 2001. Your PM is secular. I am not saying you don't believe in God how would I know, if Daniel does I have no idea, but many Jews are secular. Zionism is a political movement, not a Godly movement. Look at all the bloodshed once again spilling in Jerusalem since the Jews have returned, and that is the will of God, certainty not the God I believe in. Everything you stand for, I imagine , were you born there? and your kids? I was born here and I care about this country as well. I find it funny that some Jews , the orthodox ones , do not believe in Zionism and then we have non Jews who believe in Zionism. I don't care, but you have people locked up illegally and you have yourself an outdoor prison, with a warden.

Our prime minister is secular, yet just weeks ago in his speech he said that may God's will it'll be, that Israel will win the good fight, and added the words of our Rabbis- "The enernal nation is not afraid of a long journey".

Zionism is currently a political and national movement, and it is rooted in the Torah; God himself told Abraham to leave the land he sat in, to move to the Promised Land; The first Zionist the world had ever known was Abraham. Bloodshed was always in history, Christians should know better than anyone about bloodshed, and Jerusalem was always under fights.

I wasn't born here, no; But my mother was. And her mother before her, and her mother before her, back to the end of the 1800's. My children will be born here and so will theirs. That's the chain you cannot cut.

Most of the orthodox don't believe in Zionism because by their thinking, it's detaching from Judaism. the rest, maybe 10%, believe Zionism is against God because the Messiah is not yet here.

The orthodox who are against that are minority, as well

I feel bad that you might be in harms way. Why would you move back there with the history of violence when you have kids. I do hope by the time your kids are grown there won't be anymore fighting, but I doubt it. Stay safe. I feel you and your children are victims along with the other civilians living there, through no fault of their own are in the midst of this nightmare. Since you believe in the literal Bible, God also said from now on he'd write his laws on our hearts, the temple is just a building , and the land is full of bloodshed and graves. Your a victim of the power hungry people in your government.

"I see you more of a victim then that you have to live in a place that has known nothing but bloodshed."

Just shows how little you really know about Israel and Israelis.

The media paints Israel as if there is only bloodshed here, couldn't be farer from the truth.

Israel is a great country, with great people, joyous people. I had a wonderful childhood around awesome individuals.

Those who say Israel is all about blood, killing, and other nonsense obviously know nothing about us.

You all fall into what the media feeds you.

So sad.

Well I disagree, I do not want to live in a place that has bloodshed and bombing. I thank God I don't. Crime would be bad enough , but I also thank God we don't have much of that where we live. Well it is your government and their newspapers that tell us how all the Arabs are out to get you and your always worried about your life's due to the Palestinians and Hamas.

Yes we are all victims of our government that is for sure, the biggest problem with the US government is its involvement where it should not be and its preemptive wars, such as all the ME wars on behalf of your country and SA, and too many Zionist in our government. Its a horrible thing to see your men come home with legs lost and arms blown off, that is bad enough so I'd hate to see what is happening in your country happen here, 9-11 was bad enough.

I'm glad to hear its not as bad as they say.

PS: I missed this:

I could ask why on earth people raise kids in America when every day an a*hole with a gun can enter your kid's preschool with a gun and start spraying people.
That happening to your kids is more likely than my own getting killed in a terror attack,

That is a real good question, I can't understand it myself. Decrease in morals have been on the rise in the US, broken marriages, absentee Fathers, I think that may have a lot to do with it, drugs, etc.

Buttom line is, you don't leave a place just because it has problems.

Admitting it I see. You brought up we are all victims of our gov. I agree, but I would leave a place of violence if I had young kids.

 

[aris2chat]

Hahahaha, another deflection @Penelope. I am only using your article in this thread and asked you to respond based on the information contained in said article.

But seeing the EPIC FAIL, and I guess not being able to read plain English, you deflect and go beyond.

The point is the Muslims did try to befriend the Jews and did use Jerusalem as their "holy city" till the Jews started to fight them

The only way the Muslims would ever accept the Jews is if the Jews agreed to be dhimmis. The Muslims see the Jewish as less than human beings.

Oh and the Jewish feel the Muslims are less than humans as well, even gentiles. You want to go by the Quran lets go by your Rabbi's teaching throughout the years (most of which are disgusting), their Talmud and the OT .

Only the muslims that want Israeli blood to flow. Jews are the brothers of muslims, or so they say, but too many want to kill their brothers.

 

[Hossfly]

Admitting it I see. You brought up we are all victims of our gov. I agree, but I would leave a place of violence if I had young kids.[/QUOTE]
Right you are Penelopegeorge and we would never have won the west if pioneers had your attitude.

 

[Penelope]

Admitting it I see. You brought up we are all victims of our gov. I agree, but I would leave a place of violence if I had young kids.

Right you are Penelopegeorge and we would never have won the west if pioneers had your attitude. [/QUOTE]

Hahahaha, another deflection @Penelope. I am only using your article in this thread and asked you to respond based on the information contained in said article.

But seeing the EPIC FAIL, and I guess not being able to read plain English, you deflect and go beyond.

The point is the Muslims did try to befriend the Jews and did use Jerusalem as their "holy city" till the Jews started to fight them

The only way the Muslims would ever accept the Jews is if the Jews agreed to be dhimmis. The Muslims see the Jewish as less than human beings.

Oh and the Jewish feel the Muslims are less than humans as well, even gentiles. You want to go by the Quran lets go by your Rabbi's teaching throughout the years (most of which are disgusting), their Talmud and the OT .

Only the muslims that want Israeli blood to flow. Jews are the brothers of muslims, or so they say, but too many want to kill their brothers.

I think that is why the Zionist want rid of them, they are all related. You made an excellent point.

 

[Penelope]

Admitting it I see. You brought up we are all victims of our gov. I agree, but I would leave a place of violence if I had young kids.

Right you are Penelopegeorge and we would never have won the west if pioneers had your attitude. [/QUOTE]

Won the west, I guess that is what the Zionist Jews are doing, winning Gaza.

 

[ChrisL]

That may be as your in agreement with what your government is doing. I am not and haven't been for quite awhile. I have no idea who to vote for anymore, they all want to go to war. I don't think we have any business in the ME affairs, and I don't believe in preemptive wars. As far as our own personal beliefs and how we live our life, I agree
we have to take responsibility for them.

Capitalism is what America established over, the land of the possibilities, you don't need people to represent your perspectives, this is what I found wrong in the capitalism, remember the saying 'don't ask what america can do for you but what you can do for america'?

Isn't Israel based on capitalism as well. I read the middle class is getting smaller as the top 1% have the money.

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uhm..this kind of values faded statistically in America, I'm not even talking about Europe, my personal view shaped by the Jewish ideology I believe I can make the change and focusing on excuses or blaming someone else for my failure is incredibly counter-productive in all terms of life, US beyond the global interests must involve in the ME in a constructive way, the US could never get out of the debts fighting against China or Russia economics, specially with the global influence wars can create, and its in the American hands to prevent it, I bet you're against wars aren't you?

Your right lots of people think the government is suppose to take care of them. They came out and voted for Obama, but they are never there to vote much for anything else. We do have a money issue here, many people gave up due to no health ins. We use to be 70% manufacturing, and 30 % service and now its the opposite. Yes of course I am against wars, aren't you?? If not why not, There are better ways to deal with people.

I think its hard for you to accept such ideologies of self sacrifice/dedication/power of will for something beyond yourself because you're not capable of doing so which is fine unless the frustration inside influence over your mind in search for reasonable explanation, so you end up blaming others for not even trying what you predict as a failure.
You can go to election, or do even lesser efforts and simply ask yourself why you end up blaming someone else over your own failure.

Well I do my best, I spread the word, I work and I even did my part in the service when young and dumb. I don't expect a silver spoon and worked for all I have. But to be blunt I do not want our men fighting Syria, or Iran, when they are not our enemies. You fight them. Look at Iraq, what a nightmare. Why oh why is ISIS not attacking Israel, all of those Arabs hate you guys, remember? Your country is causing hatred, making us hate the Muslims. So you see I see my job now as waking people up to how Israel is controlling us and all the while backstabbing us.

OH you have what 8.2 mil, minus 1/2 for the Palestinians, and we have 317plus million.

You are either crazy or just plain ignorant.

If you are going to insult people tell them why unless your are too plain ignorant.[/QUOTE]

I don't think any explanation is needed. It is QUITE self explanatory to anyone who reads your posts.

 

[ChrisL]

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Quit spamming your crap all over the place!!!!