The Muslim claim to Jerusalem

[Phoenall]

No I think at the end of the day the Jews left Jerusalem because they no longer had a temple there and moved on to Medina (a substantial Jewish settlement) once again encroaching on someone else's land. The Muslims tried to befriend them but the Jewish did not want to befriend the Muslims, so they fought, and the Jews moved on , to where who knows. Then the Muslims took control of Jerusalem and built a mosque and dome of the rock, which has been standing ever since. So for centuries the Jews didn't care about Jerusalem one bit. Only as a last resort did they think of returning to Palestine in the late 1800's , since in no place were they wanted. Such is the beginning of Zionism and relearning of the spoken Hebrew language. The Israelites never had control of all of Palestine, when the Romans came the land was called Judea which the capital was Jerusalem. They also stole the land in the first place from the Canaanites.

Try reading the history and you will see that the majority of the Jews were evicted from Jerusalem by the romans. Then Mohamed tried to make them worship him as god and convert to islam which they refised to do so he had them mass murdered. The arab muslims took over Jerusalem with the Jews already living there, they built the dome of the rock and then promptly forgot about it. Same with the al aqsa mosque and they both deteriorated to such an extent that they became ruins. The muslims re-built both after an earthquake that destroyed them completely, only to once again ignore them. They were destroyed a second time by an earthquake and were finally re-built in the style we see today. There has been a Jewish presence in Jerusalem for over 2,500 years and they have worshipped at the western wall since 70 C.E.
The arab muslims only had partial control of a small part of Palestine from 690 C.E. till 1099 C.E. and have not owned or controlled the land since. Now they are trying to steal the land like they have all the other lands they infest. It will be a case of forgetting about Jerusalem if they ever manage to take it again

 

[irosie91]

to help Penelope understand the muslim perspective on what
muslims OWN------I suggest to you, Penelope, that you review
the history of the TEMPLE OF RAMA----at Ayodhiya.
For that matter, review the history or CORDOBA ----try not
to use wiki too much. In order to understand wiki----you have to already know stuff. Penelope---muslims own south france and spain. They also OWN all of the Indian subcontinent.
According to Islamic LAW----muslims OWN any land upon which a mosque was EVER built. Medina is the city in Arabia in which muhummad was buried-----in order to set foot in that city one must be certified as a true blue MUSLIM.------it was a jewish city for a period of time now just about AS long as the rapist pig's carcass has been in the ground there.

muslims also own SICILY, Italy ----they was there.
NOW---they also own Brooklyn, New York. and -----
Manhattan, NY-----because some of their SHAHIDS died
there

 

[Penelope]

Try reading the history and you will see that the majority of the Jews were evicted from Jerusalem by the romans. Then Mohamed tried to make them worship him as god and convert to islam which they refised to do so he had them mass murdered. The arab muslims took over Jerusalem with the Jews already living there, they built the dome of the rock and then promptly forgot about it. Same with the al aqsa mosque and they both deteriorated to such an extent that they became ruins. The muslims re-built both after an earthquake that destroyed them completely, only to once again ignore them. They were destroyed a second time by an earthquake and were finally re-built in the style we see today. There has been a Jewish presence in Jerusalem for over 2,500 years and they have worshipped at the western wall since 70 C.E.
The arab muslims only had partial control of a small part of Palestine from 690 C.E. till 1099 C.E. and have not owned or controlled the land since. Now they are trying to steal the land like they have all the other lands they infest. It will be a case of forgetting about Jerusalem if they ever manage to take it again

Read the history of Palestine, on Wiki, yes its long, but the Arabs and Muslims were always apart of Palestine. Now the Jews left but the Muslims always stayed and fought.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

since the majority of Zionist in Israel are secular I doubt it.

Ask secular Jews and there is a special place in their heart for Jerusalem.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Read the history of Palestine, on Wiki, yes its long, but the Arabs and Muslims were always apart of Palestine. Now the Jews left but the Muslims always stayed and fought.

The Jews were forced to leave. They are back home now, where they belong, and where they were before Mohammed (CBUH) was just a twinkle in his mother's eye.

 

[Daniyel]

Ask secular Jews and there is a special place in their heart for Jerusalem.

The majority of Zionist are Jewish but all the Jews share the same connection to Jerusalem regardless of religion only.
Since the discussion is about religion - it is beyond your opinion to even define the Jewish claim for Israel which is a decisive.
Your lack of knowledge about Judaism is obvious but you make a fool of yourself disproving facts known even to Team Palestine undoubtedly.

 

[Penelope]

Ask secular Jews and there is a special place in their heart for Jerusalem.

Why they have nothing to do with Israel. They are called Zionist. They do

250000 jews were crucified by the romans. Another 250000 were forced to leave.
Jewish revolt was just one of six wars between the jews and roman.
Coins with the temple on it were made.

The temple was as vital to jews as the kabal is to Muslims. Even when the black stone was broken and later taken away for twenty years, muslims still prayed and traveled to mecca.
Temples have meaning to the faithful.
Jews morned but never forgot their prayer of returning to Jerusalem.

Really then why did so many come to the US. It was the "final solution" , many didn't even want to go there.

 

[irosie91]

Why they have nothing to do with Israel. They are called Zionist. They do

Really then why did so many come to the US. It was the "final solution" , many didn't even want to go there.

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Penelope-----you should try to think for yourself now and
then-------the "why did they not ALL go there?" question is
lifted directly off the pages of seedy little islamo Nazi pig
propaganda pamphlets. I read that crap in the 1950s
Why do all the muslims of the world not LIVE in the holy land
of Saudi Arabia. Did you know that hundreds of millions of
muslims actually believe that a visit to mecca gets you a free
ticket to JANNAH? A larger proportion of jews live in Israel than is the PROPORTION of muslims who live in Saudi 'Arabia-------Jews were violently excluded from Israel for centuries------muslims never faced that obstacle---but they still
do not live in that cesspit

 

[Penelope]

The majority of Zionist are Jewish but all the Jews share the same connection to Jerusalem regardless of religion only.
Since the discussion is about religion - it is beyond your opinion to even define the Jewish claim for Israel which is a decisive.
Your lack of knowledge about Judaism is obvious but you make a fool of yourself disproving facts known even to Team Palestine undoubtedly.

Jerusalem means no more to Jews, that it does to the Palestinians and Christians. They went there as a plan , not due to wanting, some may of wanted to, but most didn't. It belongs to all 2 Abrahamic religions not just to Jews. The problem with Jews is they do not get along with anyone non Jew, they are just using the Christians now to get rid of Muslims.

Who was Sara's bondwoman , and Egyptian, Hagar, according to Jewish Ency. Who were the slaves who returned with the 45000 after the Babylon captivity? Who was responsible for bringing the salve trade to S. American and then N. America, who mainly owned slaves, wealthy Jews.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Jerusalem means no more to Jews, that it does to the Palestinians and Christians. They went there as a plan , not due to wanting, some may of wanted to, but most didn't. It belongs to all 2 Abrahamic religions not just to Jews. The problem with Jews is they do not get along with anyone non Jew, they are just using the Christians now to get rid of Muslims.

Who was Sara's bondwoman , and Egyptian, Hagar, according to Jewish Ency. Who were the slaves who returned with the 45000 after the Babylon captivity? Who was responsible for bringing the salve trade to S. American and then N. America, who mainly owned slaves, wealthy Jews.

Jerusalem is EVERYTHING to the Jews, even non-religious Jews. Stop being so hateful and lacking in knowledge.

 

[Lipush]

since the majority of Zionist in Israel are secular I doubt it.

80% of Israelis belive in God, over 20% believe in Biat HaMashiach. If you mean "atheists", they are minority.

 

[Penelope]

The Jews were forced to leave. They are back home now, where they belong, and where they were before Mohammed (CBUH) was just a twinkle in his mother's eye.

The Jews lost battles just like they battled for the land in the beginning, they never really owned it or even a part of it for any length of time. The Palestinians never left. That is the difference.

 

[Penelope]

Jerusalem is EVERYTHING to the Jews, even non-religious Jews. Stop being so hateful and lacking in knowledge.

Because its based on a lie. Also for simple matter your stealing land and killing children with no remorse. Jerusalem as a holy land means nothing to the Jews, if it did they would of been back long fore this last century.

 

[Lipush]

Jerusalem means no more to Jews, that it does to the Palestinians and Christians.

Jerusalem means more to Jews than the Palestinians, and even they acknowledge that fact.

Ramadan Shalah, head of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, told religious leaders in Tehran, on March- "What is the meaning of Jerusalem for us?” and added- "“Learn from the Jews, from that accursed entity [Israel]. They love Jerusalem not just as a military matter, but as a cultural one"

“They have a song in the Israeli entity that their army sings on June 7, when they conquered the Al-Aqsa Mosque and Haram al-Sharif [the Temple Mount, in the 1967 Six Day War],” he added, and went on to quote part of the chorus of “Jerusalem of Gold.”

“Jerusalem of gold. Jerusalem of bronze. Jerusalem of light,” he chanted, saying each phrase in both Hebrew and Arabic.

“Every Israeli child and every accursed Israeli soldier says this song in their heart,” Shalah told the crowd.

The Jews say- "If I forget thee, Oh, Jerusalem, let my right hand be forgotten, tongue cling to the roof of my mouth if I do not remember you, if I do not consider Jerusalem my highest joy."

 

[Daniyel]

The Jews lost battles just like they battled for the land in the beginning, they never really owned it or even a part of it for any length of time. The Palestinians never left. That is the difference.

Is it so?
Since when the Palestinians live in Israel?
Since when they owned the land?
Since when the Palestinians fighting Israel/Jews?
Since when Israel lost the battle like you said? Because it clearly indicate Israel wouldn't exist once Israel lose a single battle.

 

[Indeependent]

Simon Bar Kokhba took the title Nasi Israel and ruled over a ministate that was virtually independent for two and a half years. The era of the redemption of Israel was announced, contracts were signed and a large quantity of Bar Kochba Revolt coinage was struck over foreign coins.
The Jewish leaders carefully planned the second revolt to avoid the numerous mistakes that had plagued the first Great Jewish Revolt sixty years earlier. In 132, a revolt led by Bar Kokhba quickly spread from Modi'in across the country, cutting off the Roman garrison in Jerusalem....... (read the rest from link below)

Note he took the title NASI ISRAEL, but he didn't turn out to be the Jewish messiah either did he. You know if the Jews had never fought against Rome they would of never been kicked out, but one want to be Messiah after another tried to overrule the Romans, and it never happened.
Bar Kokhba revolt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's a test...
What IS a Nasi?
How many Nasii'm were there?
After you reasearch the answer, feel free to retract your entire post.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Because its based on a lie. Also for simple matter your stealing land and killing children with no remorse. Jerusalem as a holy land means nothing to the Jews, if it did they would of been back long fore this last century.

Everything you say is wrong. It is not based on a lie, Israel is not stealing land and killing children with no remorse. Jerusalem as a holy land means everything to the Jews people. The fact that you wish it to be otherwise, doesn't make it true. Pathetic.

 

[Penelope]

The majority of Zionist are Jewish but all the Jews share the same connection to Jerusalem regardless of religion only.
Since the discussion is about religion - it is beyond your opinion to even define the Jewish claim for Israel which is a decisive.
Your lack of knowledge about Judaism is obvious but you make a fool of yourself disproving facts known even to Team Palestine undoubtedly.

Everything you say is wrong. It is not based on a lie, Israel is not stealing land and killing children with no remorse. Jerusalem as a holy land means everything to the Jews people. The fact that you wish it to be otherwise, doesn't make it true. Pathetic.

Do you ever watch the news? Most Jews living in Israel could care less abut Jerusalem. Do you know what secular jewism is? You may as well be atheist or agnostic at most. The Palestinians are the ones who believe in God and their holy sites.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Do you ever watch the news? Most Jews living in Israel could care less abut Jerusalem. Do you know what secular jewism is? You may as well be atheist or agnostic at most. The Palestinians are the ones who believe in God and their holy sites.

A bit of advice for you. When you are in a hole, Penelope, stop digging.

 

[Daniyel]

Do you ever watch the news? Most Jews living in Israel could care less abut Jerusalem. Do you know what secular jewism is? You may as well be atheist or agnostic at most. The Palestinians are the ones who believe in God and their holy sites.

How many commands in Judaism related to Jerusalem and how many to Israel? You seem like an expert, teach me.