The most evil pres in US history was LBJ

[bripat9643]

The treasonous South took up arms against their own country because they wanted to ensure that they could maintain the practice of enslaving their fellow man, raping children and torturing those they consider inferior

Even if that idiotic explanation were true, it still isn't the case that Lincoln and the federal government fought the Civil War to end slavery.

The North initially fought to put down the slavery induced rebellion and then upped the ante to end slavery totally

At no point during the war did Lincoln actually free a single slave. The Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves where the federal government had no authority, so it freed no one. At no point during the war did Lincoln ever claim that his purpose was to free the slaves.

The fact the Lincoln "upped the anti," as you put it is irrelevant. Lincoln invaded the South purely to force Southern states to pay the recently increased onerous tariffs that Northern Senators voted for.

 

[Xchel]

I am a born and bred southern girl Bripat, and taking arms up against your country, which the Confederate states did was treason and it remains treason.

Both Jefferson Davis and Robert E Lee were indicted for treason. They were a part of the union and could not legally leave the union and when they fired shots upon union soldiers they were engaging in war against their own country, that is why it is called a civil war...it is also why it is treason...they levied war against their own people.

 

[jillian]

hands down

evil is a really strong word. the only politician we have had in my lifetime who i'd call evil is dick cheney. other than that, you have good people, bad people... good people who are bad presidents; bad people who are good presidents...

but at least lbj left us with the civil rights act and the great society programs. he did some good.

not a nice guy, though.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

First LBJ set Civil Right back 7 years because he refused to allow Ike's Civil Rights Bill to get passed but when he later became President, he passed Ike's Bill under his own name

Second, he definitely had a hand in the JFK Assassination, it was on his home turf.

Third, he escalated then lost Vietnam

Fourth, he whacked Malcolm X and "that ****** Preacher" MLK

Yet, FDR still is far worse for the FDR Depression, Tuskegee, goading the Japanese into attacking Pearl Harbor and allowing the attacks to occur when we knew the Japanese Strike Force was on its was the way and for the Internment Camps.

 

[BlindBoo]

In other words, you approve of the illegal slaughter of 650,000 American citizens.

I think that attitude defines a true fascist scumbag.

Southern traitors had no right to secede. They took up arms against their own country because they wanted to engage in human rights atrocities

The blame rests totally with the traitorous south

Always has......always will

What is the difference between our original BRITISH colonies seceding and the southern states?

The colonies had Gen. Washington who knew that he didn't have to win every battle in a stand up fight but rather he had to keep his army intact to fight another day. The South had Gen. Lee who didn't.

 

[grunt11b]

hands down

Yeah, that darned civil rights legilsation should never have been signed into law, that mean'ol Johnson!
You'd think the liberals would think truman was the most evil, he did however drop two atomic bombs killing millions of innocent people. But he was a Democrat so I guess that makes it okay with them.

 

[grunt11b]

hands down

Why do you say that?

Go to the Vietnam War Memorial

Have you seen the WWI and WWII memorials yet? Plenty more where killed and it was a democrat started war, both of them.

 

[tinydancer]

And LBJ used to pick up his dogs by their ears.

I hate him for that alone.

 

[grunt11b]

Bush crashed the world economy and ignored threats to our homeland until we got hit.

He then used that hit to lie us into a war that got tens of thousands of people killed including thousands of our bravest citizens.

For someone with the name "TruthMatters" you sure as hell know nothing about the truth.
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Bush tried warning the Dems about it, but the Dems ignored the warnings.

 

[tinydancer]

LBJ that slug had no option but to sign the Civil Rights Act.

On the other hand he did have an option NOT to escalate the Vietnam war and make such huge profits off of it.

What's wrong with libs these days? Hell's bells we were all pissed at LBJ in the 60's. And that's when I was a lib.

 

[grunt11b]

Transcript: Bin Laden determined to strike in US - CNN

that was being planned 10 years in advance of the actual attack, will you put some of the blame on Clinton as well?

 

[grunt11b]

Bush will go down in history as the worst.

The cons will keep trying to rewrite that history like they always do

So you honestly think that Bush outranks:

Buchannan who sent the military to put down a non-existant rebellion in the west while the nation literally disintegrated into civil war.

or

Wilson who segregated the military, caused the deaths of millions of people by putting us in WW1 after running for reelection on the promise not to, had the nation on complete and utter lock down, and single handedly put us on the path to WW2 by butchering the Versailles Treaty for his own ego?

That just shows you how much of a partisan hack you are. You are ignorant of history and cant see beyond 20 years.

Yep, and as long as we are talking about this we are not talking about Obamas failed policies and our nation decline due to those policies...right Truth?

 

[geauxtohell]

That was the estimate given by MacArthur and the Joint Chiefs of Staff

And they told the media it could be as high as 50,000 American deaths to take Iraq.

I have often noted since the beginning of the Iraq war, that the American public is never told by the news media how many Iraqi deaths there were as a direct result of the U.S. invasion. I wonder at times whether that’s because American’s simply don’t care, or if the press is afraid of loosing all that close, cozy cooperation they have with the military and the military would prefer Americans not know.
In case you’re wondering, more than 1 million Iraqi people died for the sake of bush’s ambition (approximately the same number of Jews were killed by the Nazi’s in Poland), and some of that blood is on the hands of each and every single one of us, but none more than the American press.
The fact is that war was unnecessary and we had every reason to know it at the time, but those few who tried to speak out against the war were largely ignored by the press (who even went so far as to call those who spoke out against the war traitors), or silenced all too easily by the bush administration.
The fact is, the emperor was naked, but no one had the courage to say it, and now a million people are dead. Do Americans care? Not a bit. In fact when asked how many Iraqis they think died, most American guess “a few thousand”, because we are rarely, if ever told what the true cost of that war was.
So yes its true, there were no where near 50,000 American soldiers killed in Iraq. So take pride America, your military couldn’t be any better at killing.

That's not true. An estimate of 200-300,000 was put out several years ago and it was a hot news item for a while. The warmongers thrashed the numbers and the peaceniks used them to argue the immorality of war.

Then it was forgotten.

The problem isn't that the truth doesn't get reported, the problem is in our amnesia. After Viet Nam, you'd think that no president would ever be so cavalier as to invade another country without damned good reason. You'd think the American people would hold him responsible. Hell, after Viet Nam Crieghton Abrahms deliberately designed the "total Army" concept to make a large deployment of miltary forces have to incorporate the National Guard and Reserves. Abrahms did this to make the concept of military adventurism a political football that would keep the President at check. General Abrahms didn't count on the dumbing down of America.

And it happened all over again. Only on a smaller scale.

 

[Xchel]

Transcript: Bin Laden determined to strike in US - CNN

that was being planned 10 years in advance of the actual attack, will you put some of the blame on Clinton as well?

I certainly put blame on Clinton for that attack. I doubt he really understood that it could actually happen, no one thought it would...but in 96 he should have nabbed Osama when he had the chance.

 

[geauxtohell]

Why do you say that?

Go to the Vietnam War Memorial

Have you seen the WWI and WWII memorials yet? Plenty more where killed and it was a democrat started war, both of them.

"The Democrats bombed Pearl Harber?"

"Lay off him man, he's rolling..."

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[bripat9643]

I am a born and bred southern girl Bripat, and taking arms up against your country, which the Confederate states did was treason and it remains treason.

Being born in the South doesn't make you an expert on the Civil War or the Constitution. Your claim is an appeal to a bogus authority.

Treason is defined in the Constitution, and the definition doesn't mention secession. Thomas Jefferson and numerous other Founding Fathers have stated that secession is perfectly legitimate.

Both Jefferson Davis and Robert E Lee were indicted for treason.

They were never prosecuted because those Yankee politicians didn't want to discuss the issue of whether secession constitutes treason. If they lost the case, then the entire Civil War would have been a criminal enterprise.

They were a part of the union and could not legally leave the union and when they fired shots upon union soldiers they were engaging in war against their own country, that is why it is called a civil war...it is also why it is treason...they levied war against their own people.

Wrongo. There isn't a shred of evidence supporting the case that states could not secede from the union. None. Lincoln's take on the matter was considered highly novel at the time. prior to the Civil War and number of states had threatened to secede on several occasion. On those occasions no one claim it was illegal or threatened to go to war over it.

 

[bripat9643]

bump

 

[Fyght]

LBJ was another liberal prick who thought Goldwater was going to nuke your daughter.

 

[Fyght]

Lincoln also showed support for the Ghost Amendment. He also wanted to recolonize blacks with taxpayers money.

Lincoln never freed the slaves, he waged a blood a bath.

~ILT

 

[bripat9643]

Lincoln also showed support for the Ghost Amendment. He also wanted to recolonize blacks with taxpayers money.

Lincoln never freed the slaves, he waged a blood a bath.

~ILT

I could go on all day about all the despicable crimes that Lincoln committed. Most people are totally ignorant of what the man really did as President. I find it amazing that many prominent conservatives idolize this guy.