The Miracle of Freedom.....

[PoliticalChic]

.....The Provenance of Our Rights

On this anniversary, June 15th......1215



1. Among a number of significant differences between the Left, and the correct side, the Right, is the origin of the rights found in our memorializing documents.
Many of us have seen the Leftists claim that government gives us any rights, and can withdraw same at will...

Under that illusion, Barack Obama actually placed a lawyer on the Supreme Court who has written that freedom of speech can be abridged if the government so wills it.

We on the right, defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and who recognize the individual as the most important element of society, understand that our rights are God-given, and government serves simply as protectors of those rights.



2. The unbridled growth of radical Islam, and the approach to the dangers of this movement by Leftist leaders, presages an atavism in society, a return to the oppression of earlier times.

"In the history of mankind, freedom has been the exception.Governed by kings and queens, human beings were told that power starts at the top and flows down; that their rights emanate from a monarch and may be taken away at the monarch’s whim.

The British began a revolution against this way of thinking in a meadow called Runnymede in 1215. It was embodied in the Magna Carta, which read: “To all free men of our kingdom we have also granted, for us and our heirs for ever, all the liberties written out below, to have and to keep for them and their heirs . . . .”

That revolution reached full flower in Philadelphia in 1787, in a Constitution that began from two radical premises.
... our rights come not from kings or queens—or even from presidents— but from God.
As the Declaration of Independence put it, “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” https://imprimisarchives.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_05_Imprimis.pdf


2. Today is momentous in the discussion of freedom, liberty, and unalienable rights.


15 June 1215

Magna Carta (Latin for "the Great Charter"), also called Magna Carta Libertatum (Latin for "the Great Charter of the Liberties"), is a charter agreed by King John of England at Runnymede, near Windsor, on 15 June 1215.

Magna Carta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaMagna_Carta

Wikipedia

 

[Moonglow]

Of which did nothing for the peasant class..

 

[PoliticalChic]

Of which did nothing for the peasant class..

And you, being a peasant....."a poor farmer of low social status..."

I recognize your personal hurt....but I can't identify with same.

 

[Moonglow]

Of which did nothing for the peasant class..

And you, being a peasant....."a poor farmer of low social status..."

I recognize your personal hurt....but I can't identify with same.

The peasants were not farming their lands, but those that had the right to the land by noble birth...peasants had no rights under the charter, all it was was a vehicle to establish peace between John and rebel barons...It had nothing to do with establishing rights of the individual...

 

[NYcarbineer]

Of which did nothing for the peasant class..

And you, being a peasant....."a poor farmer of low social status..."

I recognize your personal hurt....but I can't identify with same.

Only the worst of the elite demean farmers.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Of which did nothing for the peasant class..

And you, being a peasant....."a poor farmer of low social status..."

I recognize your personal hurt....but I can't identify with same.

As Eisenhower said,

"Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."

 

[Norman]

Of which did nothing for the peasant class..

And you, being a peasant....."a poor farmer of low social status..."

I recognize your personal hurt....but I can't identify with same.

Only the worst of the elite demean farmers.

I think he was "demeaning" you. Which is acceptable given you don't have a brain.

 

[Moonglow]

If not for farmers, farming, your azz would be hunting rats for dinner..

 

[NYcarbineer]

Of which did nothing for the peasant class..

And you, being a peasant....."a poor farmer of low social status..."

I recognize your personal hurt....but I can't identify with same.

Only the worst of the elite demean farmers.

I think he was "demeaning" you. Which is acceptable given you don't have a brain.

ooh, a zinger. I've fallen and I can't get up.

 

[Moonglow]

Of which did nothing for the peasant class..

And you, being a peasant....."a poor farmer of low social status..."

I recognize your personal hurt....but I can't identify with same.

Only the worst of the elite demean farmers.

I think he was "demeaning" you. Which is acceptable given you don't have a brain.

ooh, a zinger. I've fallen and I can't get up.

Is that Norman Mailer or Bates?

 

[NYcarbineer]

If not for farmers, farming, your azz would be hunting rats for dinner..

Which is difficult, since she ate the cat. Notice that it took her all of two posts to go off her own topic to start with the excruciatingly lame personal insults.

 

[irosie91]

The koran is the best of all BILLS OF RIGHTS------it provides the right for all people to be
muslim-----what more could anyone ask?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Of which did nothing for the peasant class..

And you, being a peasant....."a poor farmer of low social status..."

I recognize your personal hurt....but I can't identify with same.

The peasants were not farming their lands, but those that had the right to the land by noble birth...peasants had no rights under the charter, all it was was a vehicle to establish peace between John and rebel barons...It had nothing to do with establishing rights of the individual...

You mean you failed to read beyond that point in the OP????

That A.D.D. thing, huh?

Here....try again:

That revolution reached full flower in Philadelphia in 1787, in a Constitution that began from two radical premises.
... our rights come not from kings or queens—or even from presidents— but from God.
As the Declaration of Independence put it, “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”https://imprimisarchives.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_05_Imprimis.pdf



You do recognize that none of the six savage doctrines meet the requirements of the American paradigm:

Liberalism, Progressivism, Fascism, Socialism, Communism, and Nazism.

 

[Moonglow]

If not for farmers, farming, your azz would be hunting rats for dinner..

Which is difficult, since she ate the cat. Notice that it took her all of two posts to go off her own topic to start with the excruciatingly lame personal insults.

She is delusional enough to imagine herself as a dame of ancient England..

 

[Agit8r]

The whole idea of "God-given" freedom is goofy. According to the standard biblical theology, "freedom" from the dictatorial Paradise is the result of Adam and Eve's original sin. Or if one is inclined to extra-biblical Christian beliefs, due to the rebellion of Satan among the Angels.

Unless of course one is a Deist...

 

[Moonglow]

Of which did nothing for the peasant class..

And you, being a peasant....."a poor farmer of low social status..."

I recognize your personal hurt....but I can't identify with same.

The peasants were not farming their lands, but those that had the right to the land by noble birth...peasants had no rights under the charter, all it was was a vehicle to establish peace between John and rebel barons...It had nothing to do with establishing rights of the individual...

You mean you failed to read beyond that point in the OP????

That A.D.D. thing, huh?

Here....try again:

That revolution reached full flower in Philadelphia in 1787, in a Constitution that began from two radical premises.
... our rights come not from kings or queens—or even from presidents— but from God.
As the Declaration of Independence put it, “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”https://imprimisarchives.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_05_Imprimis.pdf



You do recognize that none of the six savage doctrines meet the requirements of the American paradigm:

Liberalism, Progressivism, Fascism, Socialism, Communism, and Nazism.

The philosophy did not originate with the Magna Carta..The philosophy you are espousing came form the period of the republic of England, ran by Puritains..

 

[PoliticalChic]

If not for farmers, farming, your azz would be hunting rats for dinner..

Well, then....how to explain the actions of your political progenitors....

Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.


September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.
Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together withVyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of the collectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as the Holodomor. He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, theKubanregion,Crimea, the lowerVolgaregion, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, andSiberiademanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



"They were thrown into a hole in the ground...the ground was moving..." Many were buried alive.

 

[Moonglow]

The whole idea of "God-given" freedom is goofy. According to the standard biblical theology, "freedom" from the dictatorial Paradise is the result of Adam and Eve's original sin. Or if one is inclined to extra-biblical Christian beliefs, due to the rebellion of Satan among the Angels.

Unless of course one is a Deist...

Which never was used as a philosophy until the era of the enlightenment..

 

[NYcarbineer]

The whole idea of "God-given" freedom is goofy. According to the standard biblical theology, "freedom" from the dictatorial Paradise is the result of Adam and Eve's original sin. Or if one is inclined to extra-biblical Christian beliefs, due to the rebellion of Satan among the Angels.

Unless of course one is a Deist...

God given rights is simply an argument that was utilized by the founders to counter the divine right of kings argument.

 

[Moonglow]

If not for farmers, farming, your azz would be hunting rats for dinner..

Well, then....how to explain the actions of your political progenitors....

Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.


September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.
Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together withVyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of the collectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as the Holodomor. He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, theKubanregion,Crimea, the lowerVolgaregion, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, andSiberiademanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



"They were thrown into a hole in the ground...the ground was moving..." Many were buried alive.

This is not the only incident of govt. oppression..Every nation has had as least one instance of people dying for a new regime or nation building, to include this nation...