The MAJOR reason NOT to use hydroxychloroquine ... because Trump supports it!

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Something has to be done about these Democrats.....because the only thing they have to do is oppose everything Trump does. Because of them we've apparently had more deaths than the Chinese. Either that or the media is hyping the shit out of the statistics.

This is a national crisis.

This would be a perfect opportunity to clean house.
Start with the leaders and work our way down.
I suggest kicking in Hillary's door for starters.
Seems some Democrat operatives in the CDC are telling everyone to list COVID-19 as the cause of deaths across the board to maximize the hype.

 

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Libs will trash Trump's miracle drug at every opportunity.
 

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Jerkoffwithnotrade must have just turned his word of the day calendar over and found salvage.
That's the best you have? Your screen name is right on the money. It's what I think whenever I see a Trump supporter post...or talk for that matter. :)
Yes, salvage his presidency. Cause right now, it's in ashes.
Than why are his numbers up?
They aren't...anymore. He got a bump after March 13th because, well, that's what US voters do when there is a crisis, they rally around their leaders. But, that bump is evaporating.
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval
The hell are you talking about man? "Evaporating"? The "daily" job approval rating, which RCP calculates using a moving average of various polls taken at different intervals, remains nearly 3 points higher than it was on March 13th (the date arbitrarily chosen by you) -- and has fluctuated by less than 3/4 of one percent since March 25th. To actually analyze the trend in a moving average, you have to look at the polls included in each daily average--which changes each day--and see the trends within those individual polls.

For example, the most recent poll included was the IBD/TIPP poll--which had Trump's approval/disapproval numbers at 45/45, thus accounting for a slight dip in the prior average approval rating of 47%. Importantly, that 45% approval rating in the IBD poll marks the highest approval rating of Trump's entire presidency that poll, and the first time ever that the disparity in the approval/disapproval rating was not a negative number (it was negative 20-something for most of last year, and no less than negative 7 this year to date). Same for the approval rating in the Reuters/Ipsos poll that became included this week (46% approval, highest of the year so far), the Economist/YouGov poll (47% approval, highest of the year so far), the Politico poll (45% approval, highest of the year so far), the Grinnel/Selzer poll (48/48, highest approval ever and first time difference between approval/disapproval was not a negative no.), etc. Those polls were not included in the prior weeks' polling averages. Again, when you analyze the moving average of polls from day to day, you have to consider that the IBD, Politico, and Reuters polls--which had approval numbers in the 45% and 46% range, and thus accounted for the slight downtick in the overall moving average from prior days, represented the highest approval numbers for the entire year in those polls (in other words, not a decrease in job approval).

If you've ever studied statistics and moving averages, you'd know this is not what an "evaporating" trend looks like -- rather, this is demonstrative of a statistically significant trend showing an increase in the moving average from the prior trend shown in February/March

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Quinine and it's derivatives validity have zero to do with politics, it's about a philosophy introduced almost a century ago by Dr Otto Warburg

Despite nobel prize stature, the pharmacabal managed to bury his finding then, and will continue to do so during this pandemic

Know that, his work could literally put the pharmacabal , the folks who see to it everyone's addicted to their products, out of biz overnight

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What if the patient is not on antidepressants or has heart issues?
 

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Separately, the president of the American Medical Association, Patrice Harris, told CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer on Sunday that she would not prescribe hydroxychloroquine if she had a coronavirus patient,
cautioning against Trump's "What do we have to lose?" rationale.
The drug's well-known side effects can cause fatal heart problems in patients who are taking other drugs that affect the heart's rhythm, such as antidepressants, or who have existing heart issues

So NOW the MSM wanting to keep COVID-19 headline news as it seemingly thwarts Trump...again purely political, biased MSM efforts.
They are pitting Fauci vs Trump.

NOW the conclusive point of the first paragraph...
The drug's well-known side effects can cause fatal heart problems in patients who are taking other drugs that affect the heart's rhythm, such as antidepressants, or who have existing heart issues".
WHAT f...king idiot doctor would then prescribe hydroxychloroquine IF the doctor knows the Patient's medical history consists of the above problems?

But these dumb ass reporters, knowing only ONE thing don't pay attention to reality!
The realty Trump is seemingly the only person to grasp is PEOPLE are dying and hydroxychloroquine has shown anecdotally to work!
So why not allow it and by the way... Doctors ARE prescribing hydroxychloroquine !

As to Dr. Fauci's position which again the MSM is trying to drive a wedge for biased news reporting sake ... READ his
recommendation !

"If you're a doctor listening to me right now and a patient with coronavirus feels like they want to try that,"
Stigall asked,
"and you're their doctor, you're not Anthony Fauci the guy running the coronavirus task force, would you say 'alright, we'll give it a whirl'?"

"Yeah, of course, particularly if people have no other option,"
Fauci said.
"These drugs are approved drugs for other reasons.
They're anti-malaria drugs, and they're drugs against certain autoimmune diseases like lupus.
Physicians throughout the country can prescribe that in an off-label way. Which means they can write it for something it was not approved for."


IMHO, if Chloroquine works out as well as Decent People hope, President Trump should be given the Nobel Prize for Medicine as well as for Chemistry for his support of this wonder drug.
 

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Separately, the president of the American Medical Association, Patrice Harris, told CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer on Sunday that she would not prescribe hydroxychloroquine if she had a coronavirus patient,
cautioning against Trump's "What do we have to lose?" rationale.
The drug's well-known side effects can cause fatal heart problems in patients who are taking other drugs that affect the heart's rhythm, such as antidepressants, or who have existing heart issues

So NOW the MSM wanting to keep COVID-19 headline news as it seemingly thwarts Trump...again purely political, biased MSM efforts.
They are pitting Fauci vs Trump.

NOW the conclusive point of the first paragraph...
The drug's well-known side effects can cause fatal heart problems in patients who are taking other drugs that affect the heart's rhythm, such as antidepressants, or who have existing heart issues".
WHAT f...king idiot doctor would then prescribe hydroxychloroquine IF the doctor knows the Patient's medical history consists of the above problems?

But these dumb ass reporters, knowing only ONE thing don't pay attention to reality!
The realty Trump is seemingly the only person to grasp is PEOPLE are dying and hydroxychloroquine has shown anecdotally to work!
So why not allow it and by the way... Doctors ARE prescribing hydroxychloroquine !

As to Dr. Fauci's position which again the MSM is trying to drive a wedge for biased news reporting sake ... READ his
recommendation !

"If you're a doctor listening to me right now and a patient with coronavirus feels like they want to try that,"
Stigall asked,
"and you're their doctor, you're not Anthony Fauci the guy running the coronavirus task force, would you say 'alright, we'll give it a whirl'?"

"Yeah, of course, particularly if people have no other option,"
Fauci said.
"These drugs are approved drugs for other reasons.
They're anti-malaria drugs, and they're drugs against certain autoimmune diseases like lupus.
Physicians throughout the country can prescribe that in an off-label way. Which means they can write it for something it was not approved for."
So take the expert advice of your fuhrer and take the fucking drug already.

Then when we don't have to read your asinine threads anymore, we'll know it did it's job.
 

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Libs will trash Trump's miracle drug at every opportunity.
The sad thing is I can't tell if you're a grade A troll mocking conservatives or if you really believe your nonsense.
 

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When you people would take an unproven drug just because a politician recommends it I have to wonder why you didn't accidentally kill yourself with the electric can-opener or curling iron years ago. Do you still have all your fingers? Do you now wear an eye-patch because ink pens are complicated?
Unproven drug? What are you talking about? It is an FDA approved drug.

These leftists have gone even more insane than usual. Now they are pro-death.
 

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When you people would take an unproven drug just because a politician recommends it I have to wonder why you didn't accidentally kill yourself with the electric can-opener or curling iron years ago. Do you still have all your fingers? Do you now wear an eye-patch because ink pens are complicated?
There is nothing unproven about this drug...

It is safe and in use for 67 years.

Use for COVID19 is a no lose situation as the drug is proven to slow or stop replication in the blood and it slows the hyper-cytoplast response which causes pneumonia. This has been proven in the lab. It is individual response that is in question.

ThankS for playing, YOUR AN IDIOT....
Every so often I have had conversations with people who are sure some shady supplement is a golden road to better health. The refrain is always the same, science is wrong, studies are wrong, this stuff is the Shit. This feels like that. If it ends up doing something valuable that's great but Trump is nothing like a medical doctor and his medical opinions are worthless.

This all reminds me of something that happened back in the 70s. There was a piece of quackery called "latrile". According to some it was a miracle cure for cancer. There were even "studies" that supposedly proved all sorts of miracles. Notably, Steve McQueen went off conventional treatment and went down to Mexico where he could get this stuff after which he quickly succumbed to mesothelioma.

There are no magic bullets here. Don't take medical advice from politicians, it's like getting financial advice from a doctor.
What in the fuck, the drug statistically helps, that is a proven fact. What is not proven is whether it is because of the drug or some other factor. You would be stupid to not take it on your death bed.

You are insanely stupid and downright murderous. The only reason you have any problem with the drug whatsoever, is because Trump advocated for it. The Trump cure...
 

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When you people would take an unproven drug just because a politician recommends it I have to wonder why you didn't accidentally kill yourself with the electric can-opener or curling iron years ago. Do you still have all your fingers? Do you now wear an eye-patch because ink pens are complicated?
Unproven drug? What are you talking about? It is an FDA approved drug.

These leftists have gone even more insane than usual. Now they are pro-death.
Not for this indication. Are you really this retarded?
 

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Libs Want people to die. Just admit it. You want people to die in the hopes that Trump is voted out.
 

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What if the patient is not on antidepressants or has heart issues?
Then Hydroxychloroquine is still harmful because it suppresses the immune system and allows any virus infection to increase.

The only time Hydroxychloroquine is helpful is if the immune system response is out of control and threatens to be more deadly than the disease itself.
That can be true with COVID-19, only in very advanced cases.
 

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When you people would take an unproven drug just because a politician recommends it I have to wonder why you didn't accidentally kill yourself with the electric can-opener or curling iron years ago. Do you still have all your fingers? Do you now wear an eye-patch because ink pens are complicated?
Unproven drug? What are you talking about? It is an FDA approved drug.

These leftists have gone even more insane than usual. Now they are pro-death.
It is a proven drug to reduce immune system response.
Like with lupus or arthritis, there is no invading pathogen.
The problem is the immune system itself is over reacting.

But that in no way implies it is good for treating a virus.
It can help with some COVID-19 side effects, but won't effect any virus itself.
 

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Libs Want people to die. Just admit it. You want people to die in the hopes that Trump is voted out.
The more people that die, the more people will vote in Trump because they will be more scared and want stability.
 

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When you people would take an unproven drug just because a politician recommends it I have to wonder why you didn't accidentally kill yourself with the electric can-opener or curling iron years ago. Do you still have all your fingers? Do you now wear an eye-patch because ink pens are complicated?
Unproven drug? What are you talking about? It is an FDA approved drug.

These leftists have gone even more insane than usual. Now they are pro-death.
It is a proven drug to reduce immune system response.
Like with lupus or arthritis, there is no invading pathogen.
The problem is the immune system itself is over reacting.

But that in no way implies it is good for treating a virus.
It can help with some COVID-19 side effects, but won't effect any virus itself.
Oh jesus, I thought we didn't know, but now the real expert has shown up for a chat.

As with most "experts" I bet he is stacking good deal of these meds while telling others not to. Stacking masks while telling others not to, like the CDC.

Anti-American bigots cover only their own asses.
 

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When you people would take an unproven drug just because a politician recommends it I have to wonder why you didn't accidentally kill yourself with the electric can-opener or curling iron years ago. Do you still have all your fingers? Do you now wear an eye-patch because ink pens are complicated?
Unproven drug? What are you talking about? It is an FDA approved drug.

These leftists have gone even more insane than usual. Now they are pro-death.
It is a proven drug to reduce immune system response.
Like with lupus or arthritis, there is no invading pathogen.
The problem is the immune system itself is over reacting.

But that in no way implies it is good for treating a virus.
It can help with some COVID-19 side effects, but won't effect any virus itself.
Oh jesus, I thought we didn't know, but now the real expert has shown up for a chat.

As with most "experts" I bet he is stacking good deal of these meds while telling others not to. Stacking masks while telling others not to, like the CDC.

Anti-American bigots cover only their own asses.
COVID-19 is just a recent variant of SARS and MERS, so lot of trials of things like hydroxychloroquine have been extensively tested in the past.
So we do know.
Why would we not know?
And as for masks, while they do work, they work best as spit shields that prevent you from spreading it, not for defense against it, so home made ones are the way everyone out of the medical profession should go.
 

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