The Limits of "Free Speech"

[Darkwind]

what is hate? define it.

This is what we need to start going.

Force them to define their terms so we can even know what they are talking about. They are completely lose with the language and ensure they use terms that a vague while demanding that their enemies (not political opponents but enemeies) are squeezed into a box of their making.

Lets all start with defining terms and then see how the left vs the right have applied them.

Be sure to include your own terms as defined to be fair.

 

[Marener]

Because rational and intelligent people don't have to quantify it. You're playing the semantic game and its just another losing strategy.

No, rational and intelligent people don’t use vague and inappropriate language.

That said, I don’t think Bondi is all that rational or intelligent.

Again, even right wingers could see this and that led to blowback.

 

[Darkwind]

It's being done by the right to murder liberals as well.

You must have forgotten how the leader of the Neo-GOP joked about an assassination attempt on the Pelosi's home. It was a joke that made rounds of in the Faux Not News Media Sphere. Including the late Mr. Kirk who wanted someone to bail out the assailant to get his side of the story. I don't recall any democrat leader who was so callus as to crack crass jokes about an assassination attempt like that, and if they did they would be roundly rebuked not repeated.

There was no Conservative or even Republican at the Pelsoi home on the night if his attack.

 

[Votto]

It's being done by the right to murder liberals as well.

You must have forgotten how the leader of the Neo-GOP joked about an assassination attempt on the Pelosi's home. It was a joke that made rounds of in the Faux Not News Media Sphere. Including the late Mr. Kirk who wanted someone to bail out the assailant to get his side of the story. I don't recall any democrat leader who was so callus as to crack crass jokes about an assassination attempt like that, and if they did they would be roundly rebuked not repeated.

Couple of things, the loon that entered their house was not a "right winger".

Secondly, no one died.

I suppose many found humor in the fact that the DNC chooses to be soft on crime while having to live like this as being blatantly absurd.

There really is no comparison to what happened to Charlie or Trump or Kavanaugh or the entire GOP Congress

None.

 

[Marener]

I'm not pretending anything. Where the hell do you get that from? Is this part of your congative problems?

Of course, the right has hatred for liberals. When the left spends decade after decade tell you what a piece of shit you are, how exactly are they supposed to act? Take your delusional word for it and become like you?

**** you.

I said that 95% of the left and I think that estimate is conservative in value. It is likely 99%.

None of that means that the right isn't playing too.

You’re delusional if you think 95% of the hatred comes from the left.

You don’t think the right has spent the last few decades telling us they think we are pieces of shit?

They have.

 

[Zincwarrior]

what is hate? define it.

Half the posters on this board.

 

[Marener]

Couple of things, the loon that entered their house was not a "right winger".

He absolutely is.

 

[Darkwind]

No, rational and intelligent people don’t use vague and inappropriate language.

That said, I don’t think Bondi is all that rational or intelligent.

Again, even right wingers could see this and that led to blowback.

Speech allows for common understandings.

If you were to ask someone what hate speech is, as I have done in this conversation, then everyone gets into the same reference while semantics might vary.

However, for most left, they use the definition of hate speech as it applies ONLY TO protected groups.

No rational person would agree to a nonsensical definition of that type. There are no hard rules of what constitutes that as it changes almost daily.

I think that Bondi, far more educated than most of the left and a brilliant AG, knows what she is about, and I don't care that you disagree.

The big difference between you and the right?

We are not going to kill you for disagreeing with her.

 

[struth]

If Elon Musk tries to imprison someone, I think that will go badly for him.

Agreed since you know he doesn’t have arresting powers

 

[Darkwind]

You’re delusional if you think 95% of the hatred comes from the left.

You don’t think the right has spent the last few decades telling us they think we are pieces of shit?

They have.

Anyone who doesn't see the facts isn't living in reality.

 

[Marener]

Speech allows for common understandings.

If you were to ask someone what hate speech is, as I have done in this conversation, then everyone gets into the same reference while semantics might vary.

However, for most left, they use the definition of hate speech as it applies ONLY TO protected groups.

No rational person would agree to a nonsensical definition of that type. There are no hard rules of what constitutes that as it changes almost daily.

I think that Bondi, far more educated than most of the left and a brilliant AG, knows what she is about, and I don't care that you disagree.

The big difference between you and the right?

We are not going to kill you for disagreeing with her.

Common understanding knows that hate speech is broadly protected and can only be prosecuted in extremely specific circumstances.

For example, if someone were to say that all democrats are vermin, that would be adequately described as hate speech. But it’s perfectly protected.

I feel bad for people that work for Trump. The pressures of having to please him makes them look like ******* idiots.

 

[struth]

You’re delusional if you think 95% of the hatred comes from the left.

You don’t think the right has spent the last few decades telling us they think we are pieces of shit?

They have.

Agreed it’s more like 97 percent

It’s what your party is founded on.

 

[rosends]

American Zionists oppose the 1A, proving they are traitors. Carl in Mecca fits the bill.

no we don't. Try again.

 

[Marener]

Anyone who doesn't see the facts isn't living in reality.

It’s an opinion, and a delusional one.

I’ve been told for decades how much I hate this country because I don’t vote for Republicans.

I’ve been told for decades that I’m stupid because I don’t vote for Republicans.

They call us “libtards”, “feminazis”, “enemies of the state”, “vermin”, “Maxists”, and “racists”.

They’ve been doing it for years. Then they give medals to the people who lead the way in the hatred.

 

[Darkwind]

Common understanding knows that hate speech is broadly protected and can only be prosecuted in extremely specific circumstances.

For example, if someone were to say that all democrats are vermin, that would be adequately described as hate speech. But it’s perfectly protected.

I feel bad for people that work for Trump. The pressures of having to please him makes them look like ******* idiots.

Common understanding knows that there is no such thing as hate speech because I can think and say what I want about any group of people in the world.

It IS My right.

They want to tack on 'hate' as an adjective for political influences.

The man who killed Charlie Kirk is facing hate speech charges. It's bullshit.

Aggravated murder is what he did, and that is enough of a charge to put him to death.

The rest of the charges are just dog and pony shows.

 

[BlindBoo]

There was no Conservative or even Republican at the Pelsoi home on the night if his attack.

He was a nutjob with a hit list of several more democrats and/or supporters. Trumps Neo-GOP laughed and cracked many crass jokes about the violent assault though, didn't they? The 22 year old who targeted Mr. Kirk was also a nutjob. He is not a liberal or even a Democrat. People who crack jokes about either of these events are a disgrace to liberty and freedom.

 

[gipper]

no we don't. Try again.

Do you believe your leader Bibi?

 

[Darkwind]

It’s an opinion, and a delusional one.

I’ve been told for decades how much I hate this country because I don’t vote for Republicans.

I’ve been told for decades that I’m stupid because I don’t vote for Republicans.

They call us “libtards”, “feminazis”, “enemies of the state”, “vermin”, “Maxists”, and “racists”.

They’ve been doing it for years. Then they give medals to the people who lead the way in the hatred.

Always in response to attacks from the left.

After a few decades, it becomes part of the language of how we talk to each other.

.... and you don't see the danger.

At any rate, I've had enough of your hate for one day. Stop calling people names and maybe, just maybe they'll move on and stop calling you names.

 

[gipper]

no we don't. Try again.

Do you love this?

 

[Marener]

Always in response to attacks from the left.

This is what you tell yourself in order to justify the hatred you already have.

Obama was the last one to try and make connections between both sides. The left was punched in the face while extending a hand.