The Lie of 9-11 and it's after effects

[TruthSeeker112125]

Pilots who flew the airplanes died in the crashes.

Duhhhhh. Hopefully, one day,.... A Light will go on between yer ears, & You'll realize that Wist is referring to Pilots that have experience flying those kind of Planes.

 

[Robert W]

Known FACTS
1. 4 commercial airliners and passengers vanished.
2. 3 buildings in NY city collapsed due to massive fires.
3. Families of the dead are not pleased with the alleged conspiracy.
4. Professional fact finders gave us all more than guesswork; they supplied us all with facts.
5. To believe the conspiracy, one must conclude that the Arabs that controlled the flights were fiction.
6. And last, eyewitnesses had to be included in the conspiracy since they testified that there were no explosions in any buildings and that airplane parts were inside the two towers plus the pentagon.
7. Also, no witnesses saw men taking explosives into the towers or the pentagon.
8. Radar tracked the flights.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

I am not judging you at all. I studied this long ago. I am not easily fooled when experts debunk the conspiracy theories.

One advantage I happen to have is I spent years working with metals as a machine shop owner and understand the nature of steel as it is heated red hot. It loses its nature from when it is cold.

The Support beams of the WTC Buildings, with their Fireproofing materials were expected to withstand what Temperature, & for how long?

And, the Titanium Alloyed Jet engines are designed to withstand what Temperature?

And "Jet Fuel", that is "splashed on materials", that is not deprived of Oxygen, has what Maximum burning point?

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

That was the biggest sham perpetrated on the American people and the world up until the Covid-19 PLANDEMIC.
We can call these 2 mega falseflag events the twin towers of global deception.

I Agree Knuckles.

And, when one considers the "Cause & Effect", of 9-11, even to this day,.... Those "Events", are Horrific, Cold Hearted, as well as Treasonous.

 

[Robert W]

You're content to believe your government. Fair enough.

I prefer to investigate for myself. When something is obviously BS, I don't just go along to get along.

When 47 story buildings collapse in free fall - I don't think one needs to be a structural engineer to conclude that some relatively minor office fires did not cause that.

Most people will believe anything their government tells them though - regardless of how absurd.

Government you tell me? I happen to have tracked dozens of crashes and never found that the employs hired by the Government operated in deceptive ways. These are regular human beings you dismiss.

Form your own theory as to how Arabs that got real pilot training vanished into thin air. Tell us how explosives entered a secure pair of towers.

Support your own theory.
You latched onto a theory that you personally back. Why? Did you research issues such as by the NTSB or the engineers that studied how the towers collapsed? Professionals not connected with any whack theory, stated what took place and how it took place. You decided as a non professional to dismiss many professionals who studied all of these issues.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

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Soupnazi would be in Intensive Care for weeks, suffering from having Wolverines as pets, & yet still proclaim how great they are!

 

[Robert W]

The Support beams of the WTC Buildings, with their Fireproofing materials were expected to withstand what Temperature, & for how long?

And, the Titanium Alloyed Jet engines are designed to withstand what Temperature?

And "Jet Fuel", that is "splashed on materials", that is not deprived of Oxygen, has what Maximum burning point?

Apparently, you judged this issue and never read the professional reports.

 

[candycorn]

AMEN Wist43!!

Strange you’re celebrating..

You said no plane hit the Pentagon. Wist says it did.

I wish you girls would get your stories straight.

 

[Robert W]

I Agree Knuckles.

And, when one considers the "Cause & Effect", of 9-11, even to this day,.... Those "Events", are Horrific, Cold Hearted, as well as Treasonous.

I am surprised how long lasting are the conspiracy theories.
Professionals in a nuimberf of fields esxplained wht happened. I see posts made by those who had minds made up and decided to simply try to confirm what they already believed. They never did it with an open mind.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Government you tell me? I happen to have tracked dozens of crashes and never found that the employs hired by the Government operated in deceptive ways. These are regular human beings you dismiss.

Form your own theory as to how Arabs that got real pilot training vanished into thin air. Tell us how explosives entered a secure pair of towers.

Support your own theory.
You latched onto a theory that you personally back. Why? Did you research issues such as by the NTSB or the engineers that studied how the towers collapsed? Professionals not connected with any whack theory, stated what took place and how it took place. You decided as a non professional to dismiss many professionals who studied all of these issues.

By the same token,........... You willingly dismiss an Astronomical Amount of Data that flat out shows that whjat We were told by Our Government.
And, be it known here,..... Attorney General Barr, under POTUS Trump, did allow a "Hearing" to occur, but,..... It was picked apart on "Procedure, & Presentation".:

New York Fire Commissioners Call For new 9/11 Investigation: “Overwhelming Evidence Of Explosives”​

Date: July 30, 2019

"History was made this month in regard to 9/11 as New York area fire commissioners called for a new investigation into the tragic events that unfolded that day. The resolution called for a new investigation due to the “overwhelming evidence” that “pre-planted explosives . . . caused the destruction of the three World Trade Center buildings.”

On July 24, 2019, the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District, which oversees a volunteer fire department serving a hamlet of 30,000 residents just outside of Queens, New York, became the first legislative body in the country to officially support a new investigation into the events of 9/11, according to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

The resolution calling for a new investigation was drafted by Commissioner Christopher Gioia and it was immediately and unanimously approved by the five commissioners."

“We’re a tight-knit community and we never forget our fallen brothers and sisters. You better believe that when the entire fire service of New York State is on board, we will be an unstoppable force,” said Commissioner Christopher Gioia, adding, “We were the first fire district to pass this resolution. We won’t be the last.”​

According to the report:

The impact of 9/11 on the community extends well beyond the victims and their grieving families. On September 12, 2001, the Franklin Square Fire Department was called in to assist with the massive rescue and recovery effort that was just getting underway. Countless members of the department, including Gioia and Commissioner Philip Malloy (then rank-and-file firefighters), spent weeks on the pile searching in vain for civilians and fellow responders who might still be alive. Today, Malloy is one of thousands suffering chronic health effects.

The department also lost one of its own in Thomas J. Hetzel, affectionately referred to as “Tommy” by the commissioners. Hetzel was a full-time member of the New York Fire Department in addition to serving as a volunteer firefighter in Franklin Square. A touching memorial to Hetzel was on display during the meeting, and Hetzel’s widow, parents, and sister were all in attendance.

“The Hetzel and Evans families were very appreciative of the proceedings,” Gioia commented the day after the meeting. “They know it’s an uphill struggle. But at least they have hope, which is something they haven’t had in a long time.”


The importance of this resolution — especially coming from a legislative body of firefighters — cannot be understated. The impact of first responders calling for a new investigation over the use of explosives is massive. The naysayers who call those who question the official narrative “kooks” will have a hard time going after fire commissioners.

This move is yet another blow to the highly questionable and hole-filled official narrative. As TFTP reported earlier this year, in another major move from the great folks over at the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, and 9/11 victim family members Robert McIlvaine and Barbara Krukowski-Rastelli, a joint federal lawsuit has been filed to assess any evidence the FBI may have known about that contributed to the destruction of the towers on 9/11 which they may have kept from Congress.

The complaint cites the failure of the FBI and its 9/11 Review Commission to assess key 9/11-related evidence that the FBI can be shown to have had, or been aware of, regarding:

1. the use of pre-placed explosives to destroy World Trade Center Buildings, 1, 2, and 7;
2. the arrest and investigation of the “High Fivers” observed photographing and celebrating the attacks on the World Trade Center on 9/11;
3. terrorist financing related the reported Saudi support for the 9/11 hijackers;
4. recovered plane parts, including serial numbers from all three crash locations;
5. video from cameras mounted inside and outside the Pentagon; and
6. cell phone communications from passengers aboard airplanes.

According to the press release on Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, this is evidence relevant to the 9/11 Review Commission’s and the FBI’s compliance with the mandate from Congress, which should have been assessed by the FBI and the 9/11 Review Commission and reported to Congress. The complaint also cites the destruction by the FBI of evidence related to the “High Fivers.” Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth has joined in bringing the counts that involve the evidence of the World Trade Center’s explosive demolition and evidence related to the “High Fivers,” while the other plaintiffs are party to all counts.



Also, as TFTP previously reported, a monumental step forward in the relentless pursuit of 9/11 truth took place last December when a United States Attorney agreed to comply with federal law requiring submission to a Special Grand Jury of evidence that explosives were used to bring down the World Trade Centers. Then, in March, the group behind the submission, the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry, announced the filing of a “petition supplement” naming persons who may have information related to the use of said explosives.

According to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, the 33-page document contains 15 different categories of persons who may have information material to the investigation, including contractors and security companies that had access to the WTC Towers before 9/11, persons and entities who benefited financially from the WTC demolitions, and persons arrested after being observed celebrating the WTC attacks.

A names-redacted version of the petition supplement, which was filed with the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York on February 14, 2019, has been made available to the public. The un-redacted version filed with the U.S. Attorney today will remain undisclosed in the interest of maintaining the secrecy, security, and integrity of the grand jury proceeding.

As TFTP reported in December, for the first time since 9/11 the federal government is taking steps to hear evidence that explosives may have been used to destroy the world trade centers.

The Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry successfully submitted a petition to the federal government demanding that the U.S. Attorney present to a Special Grand Jury extensive evidence of yet-to-be-prosecuted federal crimes relating to the destruction of three World Trade Center Towers on 9/11 (WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7).

After waiting months for the reply, the U.S. Attorney responded in a letter, noting that they will comply with the law.

“We have received and reviewed The Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry, Inc.’s submissions of April 10 and July 30, 2018. We will comply with the provisions of 18 U.S.C. § 3332 as they relate to your submissions,” U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman stated.

According to the petition, dozens of exhibits were presented as evidence that explosives were used to destroy all three world trade centers.

The Lawyers’ Committee’s April 10th 52-page original Petition was accompanied by 57 exhibits and presented extensive evidence that explosives were used to destroy three WTC Towers on 9/11.That evidence included independent scientific laboratory analysis of WTC dust samples showing the presence of high-tech explosives and/or incendiaries; numerous first-hand reports by First Responders of seeing and hearing explosions at the World Trade Center on 9/11; expert analysis of seismic evidence that explosions occurred at the WTC towers on 9/11 both prior to the airplane impacts and prior to the building collapses; and expert analysis and testimony by architects, engineers, and scientists concluding that the rapid onset symmetrical near-free-fall acceleration collapse of these three WTC high rise buildings on 9/11 exhibited the key characteristics of controlled demolition. The July 30th Amended Petition included the same evidence but also addressed several additional federal crimes beyond the federal bombing crime addressed in the original Petition.

The Lawyers’ Committee concluded in the petitions that explosive and incendiary devices that had been preplaced at the WTC were detonated causing the complete collapse of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7 on 9/11, and the resulting tragic loss of life, and that “the evidence permits no other conclusion — as a matter of science, as a matter of logic, and as a matter of law.”

“This Petition Supplement is intended to assist the Special Grand Jury by providing a roadmap for a meaningful investigation into the yet-to-be-prosecuted 9/11 WTC crimes that the Lawyers’ Committee has reported and documented in our Petitions,” Attorney David Meiswinkle, President of the Lawyers’ Committee’s Board of Directors, said.

Finally, after nearly two decades of ridicule, dismissal, and outright intolerance of information contrary to the “official story” of what happened on 9/11, the public may finally learn the truth of what happened and who was behind it.

Article posted with permission from Matt Agorist"

Matt Agorist​

Matt Agorist is an honorably discharged veteran of the USMC and former intelligence operator directly tasked by the NSA. This prior experience gives him unique insight into the world of government corruption and the American police state. Agorist has been an independent journalist for over a decade and has been featured on mainstream networks around the world. Agorist is also the Editor at Large at the Free Thought Project.

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New York Fire Commissioners Call For new 9/11 Investigation: "Overwhelming Evidence Of Explosives"

History was made this month in regard to 9/11 as New York area fire commissioners called for a new investigation into the tragic events that unfolded that day. The resolution called for a new investigation due to the “overwhelming evidence” that “pre-planted explosives . . . caused the...

thewashingtonstandard.com

 

[Soupnazi630]

Pobrezinha......... you stay between the lines...... keep following and believing the deep state. The OP is providing information on the 9/11 farse.

Wrong

The OP is proving fiction which is the real farse. Claiming you do not trust the state is not an argument

Posting long sinc,e proven lies is not providing information,

You are not better informed or enlightened.

 

[Soupnazi630]

By the same token,........... You willingly dismiss an Astronomical Amount of Data that flat out shows that whjat We were told by Our Government.
And, be it known here,..... Attorney General Barr, under POTUS Trump, did allow a "Hearing" to occur, but,..... It was picked apart on "Procedure, & Presentation".:

New York Fire Commissioners Call For new 9/11 Investigation: “Overwhelming Evidence Of Explosives”​

Date: July 30, 2019

"History was made this month in regard to 9/11 as New York area fire commissioners called for a new investigation into the tragic events that unfolded that day. The resolution called for a new investigation due to the “overwhelming evidence” that “pre-planted explosives . . . caused the destruction of the three World Trade Center buildings.”

On July 24, 2019, the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District, which oversees a volunteer fire department serving a hamlet of 30,000 residents just outside of Queens, New York, became the first legislative body in the country to officially support a new investigation into the events of 9/11, according to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

The resolution calling for a new investigation was drafted by Commissioner Christopher Gioia and it was immediately and unanimously approved by the five commissioners."

“We’re a tight-knit community and we never forget our fallen brothers and sisters. You better believe that when the entire fire service of New York State is on board, we will be an unstoppable force,” said Commissioner Christopher Gioia, adding, “We were the first fire district to pass this resolution. We won’t be the last.”​

According to the report:


“The Hetzel and Evans families were very appreciative of the proceedings,” Gioia commented the day after the meeting. “They know it’s an uphill struggle. But at least they have hope, which is something they haven’t had in a long time.”


The importance of this resolution — especially coming from a legislative body of firefighters — cannot be understated. The impact of first responders calling for a new investigation over the use of explosives is massive. The naysayers who call those who question the official narrative “kooks” will have a hard time going after fire commissioners.

This move is yet another blow to the highly questionable and hole-filled official narrative. As TFTP reported earlier this year, in another major move from the great folks over at the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, and 9/11 victim family members Robert McIlvaine and Barbara Krukowski-Rastelli, a joint federal lawsuit has been filed to assess any evidence the FBI may have known about that contributed to the destruction of the towers on 9/11 which they may have kept from Congress.

The complaint cites the failure of the FBI and its 9/11 Review Commission to assess key 9/11-related evidence that the FBI can be shown to have had, or been aware of, regarding:

1. the use of pre-placed explosives to destroy World Trade Center Buildings, 1, 2, and 7;
2. the arrest and investigation of the “High Fivers” observed photographing and celebrating the attacks on the World Trade Center on 9/11;
3. terrorist financing related the reported Saudi support for the 9/11 hijackers;
4. recovered plane parts, including serial numbers from all three crash locations;
5. video from cameras mounted inside and outside the Pentagon; and
6. cell phone communications from passengers aboard airplanes.

According to the press release on Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, this is evidence relevant to the 9/11 Review Commission’s and the FBI’s compliance with the mandate from Congress, which should have been assessed by the FBI and the 9/11 Review Commission and reported to Congress. The complaint also cites the destruction by the FBI of evidence related to the “High Fivers.” Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth has joined in bringing the counts that involve the evidence of the World Trade Center’s explosive demolition and evidence related to the “High Fivers,” while the other plaintiffs are party to all counts.



Also, as TFTP previously reported, a monumental step forward in the relentless pursuit of 9/11 truth took place last December when a United States Attorney agreed to comply with federal law requiring submission to a Special Grand Jury of evidence that explosives were used to bring down the World Trade Centers. Then, in March, the group behind the submission, the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry, announced the filing of a “petition supplement” naming persons who may have information related to the use of said explosives.

According to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, the 33-page document contains 15 different categories of persons who may have information material to the investigation, including contractors and security companies that had access to the WTC Towers before 9/11, persons and entities who benefited financially from the WTC demolitions, and persons arrested after being observed celebrating the WTC attacks.


As TFTP reported in December, for the first time since 9/11 the federal government is taking steps to hear evidence that explosives may have been used to destroy the world trade centers.

The Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry successfully submitted a petition to the federal government demanding that the U.S. Attorney present to a Special Grand Jury extensive evidence of yet-to-be-prosecuted federal crimes relating to the destruction of three World Trade Center Towers on 9/11 (WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7).

After waiting months for the reply, the U.S. Attorney responded in a letter, noting that they will comply with the law.

“We have received and reviewed The Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry, Inc.’s submissions of April 10 and July 30, 2018. We will comply with the provisions of 18 U.S.C. § 3332 as they relate to your submissions,” U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman stated.

According to the petition, dozens of exhibits were presented as evidence that explosives were used to destroy all three world trade centers.


“This Petition Supplement is intended to assist the Special Grand Jury by providing a roadmap for a meaningful investigation into the yet-to-be-prosecuted 9/11 WTC crimes that the Lawyers’ Committee has reported and documented in our Petitions,” Attorney David Meiswinkle, President of the Lawyers’ Committee’s Board of Directors, said.

Finally, after nearly two decades of ridicule, dismissal, and outright intolerance of information contrary to the “official story” of what happened on 9/11, the public may finally learn the truth of what happened and who was behind it.

Article posted with permission from Matt Agorist"

Matt Agorist​

Matt Agorist is an honorably discharged veteran of the USMC and former intelligence operator directly tasked by the NSA. This prior experience gives him unique insight into the world of government corruption and the American police state. Agorist has been an independent journalist for over a decade and has been featured on mainstream networks around the world. Agorist is also the Editor at Large at the Free Thought Project.

All author posts

New York Fire Commissioners Call For new 9/11 Investigation: "Overwhelming Evidence Of Explosives"

History was made this month in regard to 9/11 as New York area fire commissioners called for a new investigation into the tragic events that unfolded that day. The resolution called for a new investigation due to the “overwhelming evidence” that “pre-planted explosives . . . caused the...

thewashingtonstandard.com

There is no such astronomical amount of data

 

[wist43]

Government you tell me? I happen to have tracked dozens of crashes and never found that the employs hired by the Government operated in deceptive ways. These are regular human beings you dismiss.

Form your own theory as to how Arabs that got real pilot training vanished into thin air. Tell us how explosives entered a secure pair of towers.

Support your own theory.
You latched onto a theory that you personally back. Why? Did you research issues such as by the NTSB or the engineers that studied how the towers collapsed? Professionals not connected with any whack theory, stated what took place and how it took place. You decided as a non professional to dismiss many professionals who studied all of these issues.

9/11: The New Pearl Harbor asks and answers all of those questions.

I don't agree with all of it's proposals and conclusions, but there are a good many "experts" and professionals in this video who disprove and disclaim the official version.

When I was researching 9/11 there were many good, probing, scientific based documentaries and published articles disproving the official narrative - they are all gone.

So no, I didn’t just cook up my own theory out of thin air.

 

[Soupnazi630]

9/11: The New Pearl Harbor asks and answers all of those questions.

I don't agree with all of it's proposals and conclusions, but there are a good many "experts" and professionals in this video who disprove and disclaim the official version.

When I was researching 9/11 there were many good, probing, scientific based documentaries and published articles disproving the official narrative - theyY

9/11: The New Pearl Harbor asks and answers all of those questions.

I don't agree with all of it's proposals and conclusions, but there are a good many "experts" and professionals in this video who disprove and disclaim the official version.

When I was researching 9/11 there were many good, probing, scientific based documentaries and published articles disproving the official narrative - they are all gone.

So no, I didn’t just cook up my own theory out of thin air.

No one has disproven the so called official version which does not exist in the first place

There are NOT any good probing scientific based documentaries or articles disproving anything about 911

You DID in fact dream it up

The planes pperformed no impossible maneuvers

 

[wist43]

Government you tell me? I happen to have tracked dozens of crashes and never found that the employs hired by the Government operated in deceptive ways. These are regular human beings you dismiss.

Form your own theory as to how Arabs that got real pilot training vanished into thin air. Tell us how explosives entered a secure pair of towers.

Support your own theory.
You latched onto a theory that you personally back. Why? Did you research issues such as by the NTSB or the engineers that studied how the towers collapsed? Professionals not connected with any whack theory, stated what took place and how it took place. You decided as a non professional to dismiss many professionals who studied all of these issues.

I've posted these videos before, you obviously haven't watched them.

I talk about Able Danger, Able Warrior, and Door Hop Galley, and those of you who cling to the official narrative have no idea what I'm talking about. So no, you don't understand how the intelligence and defense institutions of our government work.

If you don't have that basic understanding, it would be almost impossible for you to unravel the official narrative for the fraud that it is.

Mind you, I don't agree with Webster Tarpley's worldview or politics in the least, but I can accept that he is a detailed researcher with an in depth understanding of our intelligence/defense infrastructure. For that reason, his research and presentation is invaluable.

Watch his presentation and learn some things. Doing so will not transform you into a deranged werewolf

 

[Soupnazi630]

I've posted these videos before, you obviously haven't watched them.

I talk about Able Danger, Able Warrior, and Door Hop Galley, and those of you who cling to the official narrative have no idea what I'm talking about. So no, you don't understand how the intelligence and defense institutions of our government work.

If you don't have that basic understanding, it would be almost impossible for you to unravel the official narrative for the fraud that it is.

Mind you, I don't agree with Webster Tarpley's worldview or politics in the least, but I can accept that he is a detailed researcher with an in depth understanding of our intelligence/defense infrastructure. For that reason, his research and presentation is invaluable.

Watch his presentation and learn some things. Doing so will not transform you into a deranged werewolf

Once again where do you get this official narrative crap from. Where is it published?

 

[wist43]

Government you tell me? I happen to have tracked dozens of crashes and never found that the employs hired by the Government operated in deceptive ways. These are regular human beings you dismiss.

Form your own theory as to how Arabs that got real pilot training vanished into thin air. Tell us how explosives entered a secure pair of towers.

Support your own theory.
You latched onto a theory that you personally back. Why? Did you research issues such as by the NTSB or the engineers that studied how the towers collapsed? Professionals not connected with any whack theory, stated what took place and how it took place. You decided as a non professional to dismiss many professionals who studied all of these issues.

I post these videos on Operation Gladio because they are irrefutable proof of your government committing terrorist acts, killing innocent civilians, lying about it, and covering it up.

This stuff happens all the time, and has been going on for decades.

 

[Soupnazi630]

I post these videos on Operation Gladio because they are irrefutable proof of your government committing terrorist acts, killing innocent civilians, lying about it, and covering it up.

This stuff happens all the time, and has been going on for decades.

Um wrong

They are very refutable and provide no proof they provide OPINION.

Even if gthey were 100% true it proves nothing about 911

 

[wist43]

Watch those videos and you'll be able to at least start to reason your way thru the events of 9/11, and how your government's intelligence institutions operate.

You don't have to be in complete agreement with the information presented - I certainly am not - but understanding those things is what I would consider the baseline minimum primer for beginning to study 9/11.

Accepting the official narrative without having a basic knowledge of how your intelligence agencies operate is a fools errand.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Watch those videos and you'll be able to at least start to reason your way thru the events of 9/11, and how your government's intelligence institutions operate.

You don't have to be in complete agreement with the information presented - I certainly am not - but understanding those things is what I would consider the baseline minimum primer for beginning to study 9/11.

Accepting the official narrative without having a basic knowledge of how your intelligence agencies operate is a fools errand.

Once again where is gthis official narrative and where is it published?