The Libertarians

[bripat9643]

I don't want to control you. I don't give a flying **** about controlling you.

Of course you do, you lying prog. That's what the left is all about. You want to control what kind of car I drive, what source of electric I use, wow I purchase medical care, and on and on and on.

As I would hope you would feel about me. As far as hating you, nah don't know you well enough. In fact not at all. Internet boards are not a very good indicator of how people would truly act face to face. So nice try but a true failure.
MAGA

Progs have made it pretty clear how they feel about anyone who voted Republican in the last election.

 

[kaz]

As a result, Republican policies over the past 40 years not only gutted America’s middle class and transferred $50 trillion from the middle class to the top 1 percent, but also led straight to the Trump presidency and the attack on the Capitol on January 6th that he led.

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An entire political philosophy based upon corruption, greed, and murder.

How's attacking us going for you? A lot of libertarians converting to your racist party?

 

[kaz]

Of course you do, you lying prog. That's what the left is all about. You want to control what kind of car I drive, what source of electric I use, wow I purchase medical care, and on and on and on.



Progs have made it pretty clear how they feel about anyone who voted Republican in the last election.

Want to make a pact between us to let leftists tell us what we think?

Hmm ... me either ... never mind ...

Here is a fantasy. The Democrats ... ask ... us what we think instead of telling us. It's never happened and never will, they're really stupid people as well as flaming racists

 

[kaz]

I think the conservative right wing billionaire class is, and always has been responsible for that.

We need to stop treating this as a political argument, and start dealing with them in much different way.

Most billionaires are Democrats, Virginia. They can afford to be ...

 

[dblack]

As a result, Republican policies over the past 40 years not only gutted America’s middle class and transferred $50 trillion from the middle class to the top 1 percent, but also led straight to the Trump presidency and the attack on the Capitol on January 6th that he led.

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An entire political philosophy based upon corruption, greed, and murder.

Thread is mis-titled.

 

[kaz]

Yea, you are dumb if you think I don't know you are an embarrassed Republican....

Embarrassing is being a Democrat and you're just a brainless, racist turd

 

[kaz]

The middle class was once the most reliable democratic voters in America. Of course it had to die.

Yes, today you are the party of the rich, the Republicans are the populists. You're still a party of racists, that never changes

 

[kaz]

Thread is mis-titled.

I was confused by that too, but he is attacking libertarians

 

[MisterBeale]

In fact, whenever someone tries out Libertarianism in the real world...it is often really dumb....

While true, the same is true of all forms of communism and socialism.

Do you know why?

Because neither philosophy takes into consideration, anthropology and psychology.

These extreme political/economic ideologies, are purely theoretical economic constructs, which do not live in the real world of people and how social organizations work, or take into consideration, different social classes, or what motivates them.

 

[MisterBeale]

Well, the math backs this up....


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This has nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats, this has to do with when the global banking cabal, used financialization of the nation, and off-shored the reserve currency through corruption, to devalue the dollar, without it showing inflation.

Both the neo-liberals and neo-cons were in on this, it eventual led to getting rid of the Glass-Steagall.

I think all of your answers can be found here, and it has nothing to do with partisan politics. Elities in both parties cause this, so it matters very little who you vote for, the wealth gap and inequality continue.

*****WHY DEFICITS STOPPED MATTERING*****​

*****WHY DEFICITS STOPPED MATTERING***** | Market Skeptics

"MAGIC OR CONSPIRACY?

The US government in 1981 declared “deficits don’t matter” and then ran massive deficits without causing inflation. This is the equivalent of an African shaman declaring he has mystical powers and then levitating himself in a ring of fire (watch video). Confronted with governments/shamans claiming to defy the economic/physical laws of the universe, the alternatives involve believing in the magic (gravity and deficits "don’t matter") or looking for the fraud.

For everyone who suspects that the government and the press are lying about deficits “not mattering”, read on for an explanation that doesn’t involve magic.

THE CONSPIRACY THAT ENDED INFLATION

As mentioned above, the government never stopped printing money in the 1980s. What happened was the government’s money printing stopped causing inflation. This leads to the question:

HOW DO YOU PRINT MONEY WITHOUT CAUSING INFLATION?

It is possible to print billions without causing inflation if those billions never enter the country’s domestic money supply. For example, if the government prints 1 billion dollars and then that 1 billion disappears overseas, there would be no inflation because the amount of dollars in America remains unchanged. This is exactly what happened in the 1980s. . . "

Foreign Dollar Holdings and the U.S. Money Supply​

Foreign Dollar Holdings and the U.S. Money Supply | Publications | National Center for Policy Analysis | NCPA

<p>One of the most important of all economic indicators is the money supply. Most economists believe that it plays a major role in the level of interest rates, inflation and real growth in the economy. The Federal Reserve controls the money supply through various policy instruments. </p>

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". . The Mystery of the Missing Currency. Since currency is such an important component of the money supply, it obviously is very important to have an accurate measure of it. In practice, the Fed assumes that all the money ever printed is still in circulation, less only that which has been officially withdrawn from circulation or is known to have been destroyed. However, when the Fed has attempted to survey banks, businesses and households to find out how much currency was actually circulating, some 80 percent of the currency thought to be in circulation had simply disappeared.

Efforts to locate this missing money have focused particularly on "exports" of U.S. dollars: money that has left our shores and now circulates in foreign countries. For many years, there were no estimates of these exports. In the last two years the Federal Reserve has developed estimates of currency exports that it believes are reliable. The Commerce Department now publishes them in the Survey of Current Business , a monthly publication of the U.S. Government Printing Office. The table presents the data on both the stock of U.S. dollars circulating in foreign countries and the annual flows.

Of course these data can be criticized, but in all likelihood they represent a low-end estimate of foreign holdings of U.S. dollars. That is because they mainly measure legitimate currency flows going through the banking system. They exclude flows through other channels, such as tourists, personal remittances and overseas military bases. More importantly, they exclude flows through illegal activities such as drug dealing. Thus we can assume that at least this much U.S. currency circulates in foreign countries and is not part of the domestic money supply. The figure shows foreign holdings of dollars as a percentage of currency in circulation. As one can see, more than half of all U.S. currency now circulates outside the U.S.. . . "

What does this mean? The whole pandemic was a cover for the international banking cartel to cover-up another great recession, or possibly, another minor depression, and inject trillions of reserve currency into the system through the FED. . . this liquidity circulated WORLD WIDE. And? Since there are no auditing powers in the US congress of the FED, those infusions of capital cannot be traced throughout the global system, and YES, do affect the prices in every nation that trades with the US economy.

With that said, neither party can really be said to be at blame. Until the globalized central banking system is done away with, all people on the planet will be made to pay the price of these criminals.

The fact that you don't get this, and you think it is the GOP that is to blame for this? Is a bit ironic, considering it is a globalist agenda to transfer even MORE wealth with this plandemic, to globalists and their trans-nationalist holdings.

Pandemic boosts super-rich share of global wealth

The share of household wealth owned by billionaires has risen by a record amount during the pandemic, with millionaires also coming out of COVID-19 ahead, a study found on Tuesday.

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Billionaire boom: how the super-rich soaked up COVID-19 cash - World Freedom Alliance Australia

Tesla founder Elon Musk’s fortune has grown from $US25 billion to more than $US150 billion in the past 12 months, according to the Forbes 2021 list. To pinpoint the most and least bloated national billionaire elites, I calculate billionaire wealth as a share of GDP. To identify entrenched...

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[bripat9643]

While true, the same is true of all forms of communism and socialism.

Do you know why?

Because neither philosophy takes into consideration, anthropology and psychology.

These extreme political/economic ideologies, are purely theoretical economic constructs, which do not live in the real world of people and how social organizations work, or take into consideration, different social classes, or what motivates them.

What fact about "real people" does libertarianism ignore?

 

[MisterBeale]

What fact about "real people" does libertarianism ignore?

In both anthropology, and in psychology, cooperation, is part of our genetic make up.

Hell, you go into the race relations sub-forum, a good portion of the posts in that forum, are not based on logic, but on an emotive tribal basis.

Evolution, epigenetics and cooperation​

Evolution, epigenetics and cooperation - PubMed

Explanations for biological evolution in terms of changes in gene frequencies refer to outcomes rather than process. Integrating epigenetic studies with older evolutionary theories has drawn attention to the ways in which evolution occurs. Adaptation at the level of the gene is givingway to...

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Genetic and Cultural Evolution of Cooperation

The latest interdisciplinary research on the evolutionary models of cooperation.Current thinking in evolutionary biology holds that competition among individ...

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Genetics and developmental biology of cooperation​

Genetics and developmental biology of cooperation - PubMed

Despite essential progress towards understanding the evolution of cooperative behaviour, we still lack detailed knowledge about its underlying molecular mechanisms, genetic basis, evolutionary dynamics and ontogeny. An international workshop "Genetics and Development of Cooperation," organized...

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Study finds less cooperation among women than among men where hierarchy is involved

It's long been a popular stereotype: Men are hugely competitive, meaning cooperative effort is the exception rather than the norm, while women have a tendency to nurture relationships with others, making them much more likely to cooperate with one another.

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For example, if you study our closest relatives, the great apes, and how their tribes and groups within their tribal groups compete with each other, because of their large animal intellects, they depend on making intra-group cooperation integral to their survival. They depend upon one another for survival, it is part of their psychological and emotional make-up, as it is ours. We share a common ancestor in that regard.

Indeed, in the early stages or our development, in the tribal stages, and city-state stages, we could not have had, "pure individualism," those folks inclined to such, were banished from the tribe, village or city, and those genes perished.

Cooperation, is as natural to homo-sapiens, as it is to a herd of sheep.

Thus? Pure Libertarianism, is as much a pipe dream, as the various sorts of socialism and communism.



. . . it is impossible to escape, in the end, who we are. The global elites, would like to try though.

 

[dblack]

I was confused by that too, but he is attacking libertarians

Ahhh ok - the OP only referred to Republicans, so I didn't bother with the article. If it's attempting to pin the missteps of Republicans on Libertarians, I'll pass.

 

[kaz]

Ahhh ok - the OP only referred to Republicans, so I didn't bother with the article. If it's attempting to pin the missteps of Republicans on Libertarians, I'll pass.

Agreed, it's pretty stupid to do that. The OP is one of those morons who has zero grasp of what libertarians think, he just thinks we are extreme Republicans. Sure, we are fiscally. But we're more socially liberal than Democrats and we are sick of policing the world which makes us not like either major party in any way

 

[skews13]

How's attacking us going for you? A lot of libertarians converting to your racist party?

Attacking you? LOL. I'm exposing you. Or Thom Hartmann is.

I'll bet your dumbass didn't have a clue about the real origins of your platform. Did you?

Show me anyone that complains about government, and I'll show you a grifting scam artist, trying to get a scam over on the country.

You fuckwits are the weak and cowardly men that tried to jump in front of the women and children on the lifeboats, when the Titanic was going down.

Some things never change. Weak ass, punk ass, libertarian, and conservative men being at the top of the list.

 

[bripat9643]

In both anthropology, and in psychology, cooperation, is part of our genetic make up.

Hell, you go into the race relations sub-forum, a good portion of the posts in that forum, are not based on logic, but on an emotive tribal basis.

Evolution, epigenetics and cooperation​

Evolution, epigenetics and cooperation - PubMed

Explanations for biological evolution in terms of changes in gene frequencies refer to outcomes rather than process. Integrating epigenetic studies with older evolutionary theories has drawn attention to the ways in which evolution occurs. Adaptation at the level of the gene is givingway to...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Genetic and Cultural Evolution of Cooperation

The latest interdisciplinary research on the evolutionary models of cooperation.Current thinking in evolutionary biology holds that competition among individ...

mitpress.mit.edu

Genetics and developmental biology of cooperation​

Genetics and developmental biology of cooperation - PubMed

Despite essential progress towards understanding the evolution of cooperative behaviour, we still lack detailed knowledge about its underlying molecular mechanisms, genetic basis, evolutionary dynamics and ontogeny. An international workshop "Genetics and Development of Cooperation," organized...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Study finds less cooperation among women than among men where hierarchy is involved

It's long been a popular stereotype: Men are hugely competitive, meaning cooperative effort is the exception rather than the norm, while women have a tendency to nurture relationships with others, making them much more likely to cooperate with one another.

medicalxpress.com

For example, if you study our closest relatives, the great apes, and how their tribes and groups within their tribal groups compete with each other, because of their large animal intellects, they depend on making intra-group cooperation integral to their survival. They depend upon one another for survival, it is part of their psychological and emotional make-up, as it is ours. We share a common ancestor in that regard.

Indeed, in the early stages or our development, in the tribal stages, and city-state stages, we could not have had, "pure individualism," those folks inclined to such, were banished from the tribe, village or city, and those genes perished.

Cooperation, is as natural to homo-sapiens, as it is to a herd of sheep.

Thus? Pure Libertarianism, is as much a pipe dream, as the various sorts of socialism and communism.



. . . it is impossible to escape, in the end, who we are. The global elites, would like to try though.

Libertarianism doesn't prevent cooperation, and government isn't cooperation, it's compulsion. We aren't apes. We are humans who have minds that can reason.

 

[bripat9643]

Attacking you? LOL. I'm exposing you. Or Thom Hartmann is.

I'll bet your dumbass didn't have a clue about the real origins of your platform. Did you?

Show me anyone that complains about government, and I'll show you a grifting scam artist, trying to get a scam over on the country.

You fuckwits are the weak and cowardly men that tried to jump in front of the women and children on the lifeboats, when the Titanic was going down.

Some things never change. Weak ass, punk ass, libertarian, and conservative men being at the top of the list.

Show me any man who believes government is the answer to any problem and I'll show you a grifting scam artist, trying to get a scam over on the country.

Your insults are based on nothing, as is almost everything you post.

 

[kaz]

Attacking you? LOL. I'm exposing you

"Exposing" us without grasping what we actually believe is propaganda, the Democrat Party's specialty. I bet now that even though I just gave you a high level of our views, you didn't grasp it and can't repeat it accurately. Go ahead, racist *****, try it.

If you believe we are just "extreme" Republicans, then you are admitting all you care about is money because again, we're more socially liberal than you are and you're a militaristic party just like the Republicans. The only difference is you are against us when Republicans are behind the wheel instead of you, racist

 

[MisterBeale]

Libertarianism doesn't prevent cooperation, and government isn't cooperation, it's compulsion. We aren't apes. We are humans who have minds that can reason.

I definitely agree with that. Individually? We do have minds, and we can reason. But every election, is not decided by reason, none of them ever are, they are ALL decided on emotion, ALWAYS.

The whole point here, is that masses, the majority of the population are NOT inclined to Libertarianism though. And they never will be. That is what I am trying to tell you. Because of the nature of human beings. YOU may be, but if you study psychology, cultural anthropology, evolution, etc. You will realize, it is about as realistic to expect, as to expect socialism or communism to work.

There is a famous thinker from the Frankfort school, (critical theory,) named Erich Fromm. He wrote a very insightful and influential book, "Escape from Freedom," where he was trying to get to the bottom of why humans so readily succumb to tyrannical regimes, monarchies, dictatorship, and of course, letting democracies devolve into fascist states, pretty much because we are pre-programmed to reject freedom and biologically inclined to hierarchies.

Escape from Freedom - Wikipedia

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Now, you can reject this as leftist indoctrination, but? It is, in reality, based on evolution and science.

Jordan Peterson, on the right, wrote nearly the identical thing. Social Hierarchies are embedded in our DNA.

12 Rules for Life - Wikipedia

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Thus? We are in fact, terrified, as a society, and as a mass group, biologically of true liberty and freedom, from a social science perspective. It is nearly impossible to rally the masses to desire a "Libertarian," form of government. They, in their very nature, desire an hierarchical bureaucracy, some form of government that approximates that tribe in which we all evolved.

 

[MisterBeale]

When you think about it, the closest the world has ever come to a libertarian government, was this nation, under the Articles of Confederation, & the various state governments.


Hierarchical power structures put an end to that, in short order.