"The Left Is Killing Free Speech"

[PoliticalChic]

100 million killed by Leftist regimes in the last century alone.
Lest you miss the point, today's Democrat Party espouses the same aims that the Communist Party, USA did.
True story.

The Communists like the Dems about as much as they like Sarah Palin. Probably less most days because they aren't supposed to be such Wall Street cocksucking assholes.

You fudging on purpose?

The statement was, the modern Democrat Party stands for the same things that the Communist Party did.



Need a list?

By all means, publish said list. Make sure that you get it from the actual Democratic Party, and the actual Communist Party. And since you couldn't answer this: And tell us, exactly, what are the first ten words that begin page 122? you are lying about reading this book, which you obviously don't own...

Tap-dance on this:

.... take a look at the aims of the Communist Party, USA, and the aims of the modern Democrat Party.


......it is ...extraordinary.....the correspondence between the aims of the communist party and the aims of the Democrats.....





1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.



2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.



3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.



4. . Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.



5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.



6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.



7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.



8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."



9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."



10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.



11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."


12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.



13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce



Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive?
Well????

I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals



You might take a look at this one, too.


10 planks of Communist manifesto

Communist Manifesto 10 Planks


1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.


2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.


3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.



"Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains, Inheritance, And Wall Street"

Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains Inheritance And Wall Street Firedoglake




And this:

"Government control of private sector activity...is aptly described as Bolshevik- or Marxist, socialist, collectivist, statist, or, for that matter, fascist, too.Indeed, nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917(Banks, insurance companies and means of communications were also taken over by Soviet authorities immediately."
Dziewanowski, "A History of Soviet Russia," p. 107.


They didn't call it ObamaCare....


More?

Sure:

"Communist Party USA Chairman Vows Cooperation With Democratic PartyThe chairman of the National Committee of the Communist Party USA has penned a 2,023-word manifesto making the critical point that American Communists are eager to work with the Democratic Party to advance the modern communist agenda and achieve communist goals.

Communist Party chairman John Bachtellpublished his essay last week at People’s World, a “daily news website of, for and by the 99% and the direct descendant of the Daily Worker.”Communist Party USA Work With Democrats The Daily Caller

Yes, well as I said, from the actual parties. TY.

Ooooo....look!

Another weaselly attempt to dodge the point.

I guess you must be a weasel, huh?

 

[MsnBama]

And tell us, exactly, what are the first ten words that begin page 122? Either post the words, or you're lying eh?

I wanted to be sure you didn't miss this:

I love it!

I always note that i never lie...and you're about to prove it!


News' blondes fit that bill." In particular, they explained that "Fox News' blonde bombshells" such as Megyn Kelly...."

Oppps!

I quoted 18 words! My bad.
'


So...I put you in your place once again....this is getting to be a habit.


Apology in order?

Oh I saw it and I'm not apologizing for a thing. He caught you in a lie and I cracked a joke at the length of time it was taking you to either buy the book or google the hell out of it. Sorry, I'm not sorry for seeing the humor in that pointless little exchange.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And tell us, exactly, what are the first ten words that begin page 122? Either post the words, or you're lying eh?

I wanted to be sure you didn't miss this:

I love it!

I always note that i never lie...and you're about to prove it!


News' blondes fit that bill." In particular, they explained that "Fox News' blonde bombshells" such as Megyn Kelly...."

Oppps!

I quoted 18 words! My bad.
'


So...I put you in your place once again....this is getting to be a habit.


Apology in order?

Oh I saw it and I'm not apologizing for a thing. He caught you in a lie and I cracked a joke at the length of time it was taking you to either buy the book or google the hell out of it. Sorry, I'm not sorry for seeing the humor in that pointless little exchange.

OK....let's see who's lying:

He demanded the first ten words from specific page...and I obliged.

I guess you're the liar, huh?


"either buy the book or google the hell out of it."
Well....then you should be able to give the google link for that line.....

Waiting.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Mean while you have provided a classic example by being a douche bag and character assassinating another.................

He's pretty good at lying, too.

I always ask you to point out the specific lie and you never do. What is it that you claim in a lie in that post? I however catch you lying consistently and prove it with impeccable links.

Calling people liars as a baseless perjorative is one of her tactics to avoid legitimate debate.

So THAT'S why you're called the NYLiar!

I've been dealing with carby since the other forum......His lies go back a looooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggg way...

Show me one lie I've ever told.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The Communists like the Dems about as much as they like Sarah Palin. Probably less most days because they aren't supposed to be such Wall Street cocksucking assholes.

You fudging on purpose?

The statement was, the modern Democrat Party stands for the same things that the Communist Party did.



Need a list?

By all means, publish said list. Make sure that you get it from the actual Democratic Party, and the actual Communist Party. And since you couldn't answer this: And tell us, exactly, what are the first ten words that begin page 122? you are lying about reading this book, which you obviously don't own...

Tap-dance on this:

.... take a look at the aims of the Communist Party, USA, and the aims of the modern Democrat Party.


......it is ...extraordinary.....the correspondence between the aims of the communist party and the aims of the Democrats.....





1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.



2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.



3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.



4. . Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.



5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.



6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.



7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.



8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."



9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."



10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.



11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."


12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.



13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce



Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive?
Well????

I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals



You might take a look at this one, too.


10 planks of Communist manifesto

Communist Manifesto 10 Planks


1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.


2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.


3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.



"Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains, Inheritance, And Wall Street"

Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains Inheritance And Wall Street Firedoglake




And this:

"Government control of private sector activity...is aptly described as Bolshevik- or Marxist, socialist, collectivist, statist, or, for that matter, fascist, too.Indeed, nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917(Banks, insurance companies and means of communications were also taken over by Soviet authorities immediately."
Dziewanowski, "A History of Soviet Russia," p. 107.


They didn't call it ObamaCare....


More?

Sure:

"Communist Party USA Chairman Vows Cooperation With Democratic PartyThe chairman of the National Committee of the Communist Party USA has penned a 2,023-word manifesto making the critical point that American Communists are eager to work with the Democratic Party to advance the modern communist agenda and achieve communist goals.

Communist Party chairman John Bachtellpublished his essay last week at People’s World, a “daily news website of, for and by the 99% and the direct descendant of the Daily Worker.”Communist Party USA Work With Democrats The Daily Caller

Yes, well as I said, from the actual parties. TY.

Ooooo....look!

Another weaselly attempt to dodge the point.

I guess you must be a weasel, huh?

You bring lies and I ask for the truth. I'm sorry you can't handle that...

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Fairness Doctrine should never have been revoked. It's why there's nothing like decent news anymore. And net neutrality is about protecting free speech, not suppressing it.

1. "The Fairness Doctrine should never have been revoked. "

So.....how do you decide between wearing the brown shirt, or waving the red flag?


2. "And net neutrality is about protecting free speech,..."
Of course it is...that is Obama's history....not.

a. "Chicago radio station WGN-AM is again coming under attack from the presidential campaign of Sen. Barack Obama for offering airtime to a controversial author.

It is the second time in recent weeks the station has been the target of an "Obama Action Wire" alert to supporters of the Illinois Democrat."
Obama Vs. WGN Take Two

Monday night's target was David Freddoso, who the campaign said was scheduled to be on the station from 9 p.m. to 11 p.m. Chicago time.


b. "The official White House blog now asks Americans: “If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to [email protected].”
Morning Bell The People Spreading Disinformation About Obamacare

And tell us, exactly, what are the first ten words that begin page 122? Either post the words, or you're lying eh?

I love it!

I always note that i never lie...and you're about to prove it!


News' blondes fit that bill." In particular, they explained that "Fox News' blonde bombshells" such as Megyn Kelly...."

Oppps!

I quoted 18 words! My bad.
'


So...I put you in your place once again....this is getting to be a habit.


Apology in order?

Good for you, now you own the book, since you couldn't answer right away you were lying. Now, really, was that so hard? And next time, don't bother to buy this crap in a concise form. It's all over the damn Internet.

" since you couldn't answer right away you were lying."

I never lie, as we both just proved.

But your post is a weasel's attempt to get out from giving the apology you owe.

You lied earlier this week. I proved it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The left is the rank and file of the victim class.

.....

I guess you missed the main point of the OP, i.e., complaining about conservatives being victimized.

 

[MsnBama]

OK....let's see who's lying:

He demanded the first ten words from specific page...and I obliged.

I guess you're the liar, huh?


"either buy the book or google the hell out of it."
Well....then you should be able to give the google link for that line.....

Waiting.

isbn 1621573915 - Google Search

 

[The Rabbi]

This is just another thread designed by one side to bash the other.

Free speech is all well and good, but you have this right to say anything you want as long as it doesn't hurt others, and then you talk complete and utter nonsense.

Yes, it's your right to do so. However, it's still complete and utter nonsense. The right does it, the left does it, they bash each other and this forum is so full to overflowing with this nonsense it's ridiculous.

Try having a decent debate. Whenever I talk about something and make my case, I get no replies. People reply to the crap, not to the decent stuff. It's ridiculous.

Your post is completely wrong. You have free speech as long as it does not immediately threaten physical harm to others. That is the limitation, as well as libel and slander.
You and most on the left are incapabel of debate. You resort to logical fallacies within 2 posts, maybe. That's what this board is.

 

[PoliticalChic]

He's pretty good at lying, too.

I always ask you to point out the specific lie and you never do. What is it that you claim in a lie in that post? I however catch you lying consistently and prove it with impeccable links.

Calling people liars as a baseless perjorative is one of her tactics to avoid legitimate debate.

So THAT'S why you're called the NYLiar!

I've been dealing with carby since the other forum......His lies go back a looooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggg way...

Show me one lie I've ever told.

"Sanger was anti-abortion, like you. Sanger never wanted to exterminate the 'Negro'.

The notable champion of the principles behind eugenics in the modern era is your hero Charles Murray."

 

[NYcarbineer]

Which liberals on this forum refuse to debate the issues?

I wouldn't call what most of them do "debate"
.

On this site anything like "debate" is rare. The "now that faggots can marry I can marry my gym bag" doesn't actually count as debate.

Neither does using the word 'racist' exclusively to silence rebuttal.

However, idiots are going to be stupid and the left has an abundance.

Who does that? Who on the EXCLUSIVELY uses the word 'racist' to silence rebuttal?

How about we compare that to the rampant use of 'PC police' to silence rebuttal?

Every one of you leftists here on USMB....nearly every pundit on the left nutwing media....

That extensive enough for you?

Let's hear your argument that there is no such thing as 'racism'.

 

[Camp]

1. "The Fairness Doctrine should never have been revoked. "

So.....how do you decide between wearing the brown shirt, or waving the red flag?


2. "And net neutrality is about protecting free speech,..."
Of course it is...that is Obama's history....not.

a. "Chicago radio station WGN-AM is again coming under attack from the presidential campaign of Sen. Barack Obama for offering airtime to a controversial author.

It is the second time in recent weeks the station has been the target of an "Obama Action Wire" alert to supporters of the Illinois Democrat."
Obama Vs. WGN Take Two

Monday night's target was David Freddoso, who the campaign said was scheduled to be on the station from 9 p.m. to 11 p.m. Chicago time.


b. "The official White House blog now asks Americans: “If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to [email protected].”
Morning Bell The People Spreading Disinformation About Obamacare

And tell us, exactly, what are the first ten words that begin page 122? Either post the words, or you're lying eh?

I love it!

I always note that i never lie...and you're about to prove it!


News' blondes fit that bill." In particular, they explained that "Fox News' blonde bombshells" such as Megyn Kelly...."

Oppps!

I quoted 18 words! My bad.
'


So...I put you in your place once again....this is getting to be a habit.


Apology in order?

Good for you, now you own the book, since you couldn't answer right away you were lying. Now, really, was that so hard? And next time, don't bother to buy this crap in a concise form. It's all over the damn Internet.

" since you couldn't answer right away you were lying."

I never lie, as we both just proved.

But your post is a weasel's attempt to get out from giving the apology you owe.

You lied earlier this week. I proved it.

So did I, well, she takes some off the credit for proving herself a liar. She provided a link and didn't read it or comprehend it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

OK....let's see who's lying:

He demanded the first ten words from specific page...and I obliged.

I guess you're the liar, huh?


"either buy the book or google the hell out of it."
Well....then you should be able to give the google link for that line.....

Waiting.

isbn 1621573915 - Google Search

Where is said link?

It says 'preview....'

Provide the next 20 words....

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is just another thread designed by one side to bash the other.

Free speech is all well and good, but you have this right to say anything you want as long as it doesn't hurt others, and then you talk complete and utter nonsense.

Yes, it's your right to do so. However, it's still complete and utter nonsense. The right does it, the left does it, they bash each other and this forum is so full to overflowing with this nonsense it's ridiculous.

Try having a decent debate. Whenever I talk about something and make my case, I get no replies. People reply to the crap, not to the decent stuff. It's ridiculous.

Your post is completely wrong. You have free speech as long as it does not immediately threaten physical harm to others. That is the limitation, as well as libel and slander.
You and most on the left are incapabel of debate. You resort to logical fallacies within 2 posts, maybe. That's what this board is.

This from the guy who yesterday claimed that Israeli troops fought and died alongside Americans in every ME war we've been in.

 

[MsnBama]

OK....let's see who's lying:

He demanded the first ten words from specific page...and I obliged.

I guess you're the liar, huh?


"either buy the book or google the hell out of it."
Well....then you should be able to give the google link for that line.....

Waiting.

isbn 1621573915 - Google Search

Where is said link?

Provide the next 20 words....

I'll quote the whole damn section:

“If you thought Fox News Channel was just a boys club, think again,” VH1 exclaimed. (Who ever thought that?) They went on to explain that yes, Fox hires women, “but they’re not necessarily adding sensibility to Fox News’ reporting. We’re all for strong women in the newsroom, but we’re not sure if Fox News’ blondes fit that bill.” In particular, they explained that “Fox News’ blonde bombshells” such as Megyn Kelly “can’t be taken seriously” and included Greta Van Susteren, who holds a law degree from Georgetown and whose show “On the Record”has been top in its time slot for more than a decade, and Laura Ingraham, who holds a law degree from the University of Virginia, in their roundup of dumb blondes.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I always ask you to point out the specific lie and you never do. What is it that you claim in a lie in that post? I however catch you lying consistently and prove it with impeccable links.

Calling people liars as a baseless perjorative is one of her tactics to avoid legitimate debate.

So THAT'S why you're called the NYLiar!

I've been dealing with carby since the other forum......His lies go back a looooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggg way...

Show me one lie I've ever told.

"Sanger was anti-abortion, like you. Sanger never wanted to exterminate the 'Negro'.

The notable champion of the principles behind eugenics in the modern era is your hero Charles Murray."

Sanger was anti-abortion and never wanted to exterminate the Negro.

[Sanger] wrote, "while there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization."

Now I have you in a proven lie.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

The left is the rank and file of the victim class.

.....

I guess you missed the main point of the OP, i.e., complaining about conservatives being victimized.

No my intelligence and comprehension skills told me that from what the OP posted she was pointing out how the left is trying to silence the right.

No one is crying victim, you mealy mouth black boys and faggots play that card.

To be a victim, you basically have to just lay down and give it up, otherwise you are a combatant.

Of course victims are ignorant, stupid little creatures such as you.

You claim victim as a way to elicit pity / sympathy from society / others.

As a victim you are an ignorant piece of shit who others use because you are too stupid to protect yourself from being prayed upon.

Fucking pathetic...............

 

[PoliticalChic]

Anti-American is a term that applies to these Liberals.....here's another:
10. hypocrisy

nounhy·poc·ri·sy\hi-ˈpä-krə-sēalsohī-\

: the behavior of people who do things that they tell other people not to do : behavior that does not agree with what someone claims to believe or feel Hypocrisy Definition of hypocrisy by Merriam-Webster



a. "...the illiberal left will engage in racist, sexist, misogynist, and homophobic attacks of their own in an effort to delegitimize people who dissent....

Non-white conservatives are called sell-outs and race traitors.

Conservative women are treated as dim-witted, self-loathing puppets of the patriarchy, or nefarious gender traitors."
Powers, "Op. Cit.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The left is the rank and file of the victim class.

.....

I guess you missed the main point of the OP, i.e., complaining about conservatives being victimized.

No my intelligence and comprehension skills told me that from what the OP posted she was pointing out how the left is trying to silence the right.

No one is crying victim, you mealy mouth black boys and faggots play that card.

To be a victim, you basically have to just lay down and give it up, otherwise you are a combatant.

Of course victims are ignorant, stupid little creatures such as you.

You claim victim as a way to elicit pity / sympathy from society / others.

As a victim you are an ignorant piece of shit who others use because you are too stupid to protect yourself from being prayed upon.

Fucking pathetic...............

I've induced my first meltdown of the day. A little late I must confess.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Calling people liars as a baseless perjorative is one of her tactics to avoid legitimate debate.

So THAT'S why you're called the NYLiar!

I've been dealing with carby since the other forum......His lies go back a looooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggg way...

Show me one lie I've ever told.

"Sanger was anti-abortion, like you. Sanger never wanted to exterminate the 'Negro'.

The notable champion of the principles behind eugenics in the modern era is your hero Charles Murray."

Sanger was anti-abortion and never wanted to exterminate the Negro.

[Sanger] wrote, "while there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization."

Now I have you in a proven lie.

Watch this:

1. 1. “The Negro Project, instigated in 1939 by Margaret Sanger, was one of the first major undertakings of the new Birth Control Federation of America (BCFA)[which changed its name to the Planned Parenthood Federation of America in 1942]….Influenced strongly by both the eugenics movement and the progressive welfare programs of the New Deal era, the Negro Project was, from the start, largely indifferent to the needs of the black community and constructed in terms and with perceptions that today smack of racism. In her report, "Birth Control and the Negro," she made the point that “Negroes…still breed carelessly and disastrously," and, in a letter to Clarence Gamble in Dec. 1939, argu[ed] that: "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/secure/newsletter/articles/bc_or_race_control.html

In your face, liar.