Zone1 The Jews Put Jesus On The Cross! Jesus Was Palestinian!

[Woodznutz]

the state religion of the roman empire, the christian bible - the romans during that time were the christians they and the jews are the crucifiers -

Rome appropriated Christianity and used it for their own selfish purposes. When the time was right God gave it to its rightful people through the Reformation. See Revelation 12.

 

[irosie91]

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nope----there is no such history. But it did suit the purposes of
Constantine

 

[Woodznutz]

At the time in question, the "high priest" was a roman appointee. Caiaphas was despised. ---Herod was almost as despised. All of the people called "tax collectors" were also
Roman appointees. The people called "money changers" had
their positions under the protection of Rome. Without knowing
the facts of the history of the era-----the NT is a mystery. Did you notice that Jesus was criticized for hanging around with no-good-niks like "tax collectors"? Did your catechism person tell you why? why not? Executing Jesus would not have been a problem
for the Sanhedrin if it found him guilty of a capital crime----like
murder. Sedition against Rome is not a capital crime in jewish law. In fact a person claiming to be a "messiah" is not a capital crime
either-----it is evidence of INSANITY. Barabbas was also guilty of
SEDITION AGAINST ROME----not "theft" as is taught in jelly-bean
school. Theft is not a capital crime in jewish law. Jesus was guilty
of ATTACKING ROMAN APPOINTEES----to wit---the 'money changers' His action amounted to SEDITION AGAINST ROME

The money changers were greedy Jews. The practice had nothing to do with Rome. If anything, they operated under the authority of the high priest, who received a cut.

 

[irosie91]

The money changers were greedy Jews. The practice had nothing to do with Rome. If anything, they operated under the authority of the high priest, who received a cut.

another jelly-bean school valedictorian----nope--they were
appointees of the Roman governors. The people who opposed
them were THE PHARISEES. The high priests were roman appointees too----they did what Rome wanted and thus profited.
The Pharisees despised them. The Romans were clueless about
foreign currency? Is that what she told you? The act of money-changing was a JEW ONLY "practice"?

 

[irosie91]

In those days, that’s what it was. Crucifixion was commonplace, whether you were a Jew or not.

crucifixion was commonplace in ROMAN LAW---not jewish law.
Jewish law does allow for execution under some circumstances
but NEVER crucifixion

 

[sparky]

sing along??



~S~

 

[Woodznutz]

another jelly-bean school valedictorian----nope--they were
appointees of the Roman governors. The people who opposed
them were THE PHARISEES. The high priests were roman appointees too----they did what Rome wanted and thus profited.
The Pharisees despised them. The Romans were clueless about
foreign currency? Is that what she told you? The act of money-changing was a JEW ONLY "practice"?

I think you are conflating the Jewish money changer with the Roman money changers, the argentarii.

Ancient Roman Banking

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[sparky]

argentarii.

the original deep state woodz?

~S~

 

[Woodznutz]

the original deep state woodz?

~S~

Part of the Roman banking system.

Ancient Roman Banking

Information on ancient Roman banking and how temples became repositories.

www.romae-vitam.com

 

[rosends]

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the AI is answering based on mistakes because it isn't intelligence -- just copying from other mistaken sources.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

there is an ALASKA and TEXAS and an AMERICA---but at the
time that Jesus lived there was no nation called PALESTINE.
Jesus was a Judean----the name of the nation was JUDEA. After the romans laid waste to Judea it became "palestine" The word
"Palestinian" was used to describe jews living in the area called
Palestine.

May I have a source for that claim? I've seen British records from 1919 clearly referring to non-Jews in Palestine as Palestinians.

In 1948 Jews living in the area called Palestine became ISRAELIS---because MOST of the land that came to be the nation Israel was historically the KINGDOM OF ISRAEL. Non jews, specifically arabs living in the area that came
to be called "PALESTINE" during the time of the Ottoman empire and when the area became a British Mandate were called "arabs"
until the 1960s when they took up the moniker "Palestinian" Before the 1960s the only people called PALESTINIANS were jews

So calling a someone a "Palestinian" today is no less legitimate than calling someone a "Texan" today.

 

[irosie91]

I think you are conflating the Jewish money changer with the Roman money changers, the argentarii.

Ancient Roman Banking

Information on ancient Roman banking and how temples became repositories.

www.romae-vitam.com

nope-----the Roman occupiers of Judea did and they appointed
the money changers and CONTRARY to jewish custom placed
them in the Temple Courtyard

 

[irosie91]

May I have a source for that claim? I've seen British records from 1919 clearly referring to non-Jews in Palestine as Palestinians.

That's interesting----even the Brits did not refer to either muslims or christians as "palestinians"----I have hubby's government papers issued on his arrival in British Mandate Palestine----early 1940s in which he is named "palestinian"----you got government papers naming muslims or christians in british mandate palestine "palestinians"???? (hint---in your dreams)

 

[Woodznutz]

MOST of the land that came to be the nation Israel was historically the KINGDOM OF ISRAEL.

The last known "kingdom" title was the Kingdom of Judah (Kingdom of the Jews), not the Kingdom of Israel. The title of kingdom of "Israel" belonged to the 10-tribe majority of Israelites of the northern kingdom.

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[EvilEyeFleegle]

The Romans just did the Jew's dirty work for them. Even the soldiers knew it was wrong. The Jews didn't care how Jesus was killed, just so he was dead and gone.

"The Jews".
You are no doubt aware that all the parties concerned, except the Romans, were in fact, Jewish, right? All the Apostles were Jewish..as were the vast majority of Jesus's supporters.
The Sadducees were Jewish collaborators who sided with the Roman Occupiers--it was they who were scared at what they perceived as the dangerous popularity of Jesus amongst the Jewish masses.
The Roman's did the Sadducees dirty work for them, while quite a few Jews supported what they thought Jesus was saying.

 

[irosie91]

The last known "kingdom" title was the Kingdom of Judah, not the Kingdom of Israel.

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right---BUT the original set up consisted of two kingdoms---
Kingdom of Israel and Kingdom of Judah. The land which is
today called Israel is MOSTLY the original Kingdom of Israel.
The original Kingdom of Judah became invaded by what came
to be part of Jordan thus the title ISRAEL seemed to some as the
reasonable title for the country

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

That's interesting----even the Brits did not refer to either muslims or christians as "palestinians"----I have hubby's government papers issued on his arrival in British Mandate Palestine----early 1940s in which he is named "palestinian"----you got government papers naming muslims or christians in british mandate palestine "palestinians"???? (hint---in your dreams)

You're very much mistaken and this is why your claims are routinely dismissed here, poor scholarship.

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[Woodznutz]

nope-----the Roman occupiers of Judea did and they appointed
the money changers and CONTRARY to jewish custom placed
them in the Temple Courtyard

Source? I'm open to new information.

 

[Foxfyre]

This is an incredibly stupid argument. We all put Jesus on that cross since every person who ever lived except for Jesus is a sinner.

Under Roman law, First Century Jews were not allowed to use capital punishment. So a relatively small group of orthodox Pharisees--certainly not the majority of the Jews--called on Pontius Pilate, governor of Judea, to do it. Pilate didn't find Jesus guilty of any capital offense but really didn't give a damn so he offered them a choice of Barabbas who was convicted of breaking Roman Law or Jesus who was innocent. They demanded Jesus and he was crucified.

But according to New Testament scriptures that was indeed to pay the consequences of human sin for all of us.

But to blame the Jews--all Jews--for the crucifixion of Jesus is just wrong. It was also only Jews who mourned him, a Jew who gave his own burial place for the Jews who loved Jesus to bury him. It would be Jews who carried the gospel to the world in the wake of Jesus' death, who made up the very first Christian congregations.

 

[irosie91]

You're very much mistaken and this is why your claims are routinely dismissed here, poor scholarship.

NATIONAL ARCHIVES REFERENCE

thomassuarez.com

very interesting----you have examples of British mandate Palestine
government papers naming arabs "palestinians"----feel free to
demonstrate. Same for christians living in British Mandate Palestine. Feel free. You could also find such designations in
various periodicals-----like Travel journals. Feel free to cite them.
try not to cite propaganda sites