The Jews and the Native Americans

[sealadaigh]

This is disturbing news. You should notify the news media to expose this to the world Thanks for making us aware.

I promise you there are millions of people of conscience all over this world this very moment bringing Truth into the Light about Israels atrocities against humanity. We will never ever stop talking about these crimes as long as they continue, we cannot be silenced. That is the essence of Truth, it is always brought into the Light. Sherri

Of course you have reputable news accounts along with videos of all this activity. I have my TV remote in hand and skimming over the news channels and they aren't talking about Israel's atrocities. What gives?

you probably missed those news accounts due to the stations being overewhelmed by the reports on the plight of the nigerian christians.

 

[MHunterB]

Jews a little less so right? holocaust denying Jews hater ..

Israel commits the same as "holocaust" against Arab (Muslims & Christians) in Palestine everyday

The above is the kind of asinine exaggeration which makes the induhvidual's subsequent posts become unreadable.

 

[editec]

Those of you seeking MORAL JUSTIFICATION for the existence of Israel or any other nation state are wasting your time.

Nation states are Amoral...all of them.

Unless your a faith-based geopolitical thinker, in which case one can justify anything with magical thinking.

Now seriously...other than those of us who ARE magical thinkers, who among us did not ALREADY know this?

Certainly this threads author understands that perfectly.

His rhetorical post is just that...a statement pretending to be a question.

Rhetorical chum cast into these waters infested by Israel-obsessed.

I agree, Nations are all amoral. But where does that take us, exactly, whether we acknowledge that or we do not?

It eliminates a significant number of completely pointless arguments about Israel and Palestine.

TAKING AWAY the who has the higher moral ground ?arguments gets us to the practical discussions involving things like FACTS.

Why must pro-Isreali forces be asked to morally justify the existence of their nation when no nation on EARTH can morally justify itself?

Certainly American cannot morally justify its existence.

Every nation exist and thrive on might, not right.

We should stop pretending we do not ALL know this.

We should also stop telling ourselves that GOD wants this or that.

It's a freaking insult to GOD to say that if you're a believer, and an insult to people's intelligence who are NOT believers.

 

[MHunterB]

Israel commits the same as "holocaust" against Arab (Muslims & Christians) in Palestine everyday

This is disturbing news. You should notify the news media to expose this to the world Thanks for making us aware.

I promise you there are millions of people of conscience all over this world this very moment bringing Truth into the Light about Israels atrocities against humanity. We will never ever stop talking about these crimes as long as they continue, we cannot be silenced. That is the essence of Truth, it is always brought into the Light. Sherri

Do please stop being so pretentious, l'il sherrithang. Your babbling endlessly about made-up "atrocities" and claiming that 'Zionists yearn to spill gentile blood' has nothing to do with any truth, let alone 'Truth'.

The kind of asinine exaggeration in which you and this other thang are engaged can only harm the Palestinian people.

Show some real concern for the real Palestinian civilians - and avoid propaganda sound bites and slogans. The Palestinians DO have some legitimate grievances regarding Israeli policy - but what you are doing will ensure that they can NEVER be addressed.

 

[longknife]

Well, well, well, Yet another "hate Israel" thread. Why am I not surprised?

And, is this really a "new" poster or someone with a new user name?

 

[MHunterB]

Jews a little less so right? holocaust denying Jews hater ..

Lets' pretend "holocaust" was true ,, Israel commits the same as "holocaust" against Muslims in Palestine everyday

The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to flowery For This Useful Post:
reabhloideach (Today), SherriMunnerlyn (Today)

So, you two 'people of conscience': it didn't faze you any to support a Holocaust denier?

 

[MHunterB]

Jews a little less so right? holocaust denying Jews hater ..

Lets' pretend "holocaust" was true ,, Israel commits the same as "holocaust" against Muslims in Palestine everyday

Ah, now it becomes clearer: the Holocaust denier edited its post at 10:33 this morning. So - whether or not the seal and the sherri actually 'agreed' with the original wording which was 'just' the idiotic exaggeration and also referred to Christians as 'victims' - they are now both appearing to 'second' Holocaust denial. Although the " around the word Holocaust in the original version of the post *may* indicate Holocaust denial - the edit makes it blatant.

I think that's pretty skunky behavior on 'Flowery's part.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Jews a little less so right? holocaust denying Jews hater ..

Lets' pretend "holocaust" was true ,, Israel commits the same as "holocaust" against Muslims in Palestine everyday

The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to flowery For This Useful Post:
reabhloideach (Today), SherriMunnerlyn (Today)

So, you two 'people of conscience': it didn't faze you any to support a Holocaust denier?

The Holocaust is not the issue, I could care less how anyone feels about it. The issue is Israel Palestine.

 

[longknife]

Lets' pretend "holocaust" was true ,, Israel commits the same as "holocaust" against Muslims in Palestine everyday

The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to flowery For This Useful Post:
reabhloideach (Today), SherriMunnerlyn (Today)

So, you two 'people of conscience': it didn't faze you any to support a Holocaust denier?

The Holocaust is not the issue, I could care less how anyone feels about it. The issue is Israel Palestine.

You will quickly learn that certain posters do everything they can to hijack threads they don't like by diverting them to something they can squabble over.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Well, to return to the thread, I do not really see a similarity between the Israelis in Palestine and the idea of Native Americans returning to their homeland. There simply never was a land of Israel before 1948. But I see a similarity between resistance of Native Americans and Palestinians to Colonialism. It is natural to resist Colonialism and Occupation of ones homeland. And colonizers often call those who resist words like savage and terrorist.

 

[peach174]

Israel became a Kingdom in 1020 B.C.

There has never been a Palestine Nation nor Kingdom.
The Palestine State was created in 1964 (made up) by Yasser Arafat and other Arab nations. The Palestinian state is still more of a plan or ideal than an actual entity.

 

[flowery]

Israel became a Kingdom in 1020 B.C.

There has never been a Palestine Nation nor Kingdom.
The Palestine State was created in 1964 (made up) by Yasser Arafat and other Arab nations. The Palestinian state is still more of a plan or ideal than an actual entity.

Palestine is an Arabic country it is written in Torah because Canaanites are the Arabs,,
it is their lands forever ,,

Israelis came from all over the world, to dominate Palestinians lands and farms

Israelis steel their lands and souls while the world is watching

SHAME

 

[Michelle420]

Hey Dudes, I'm a newbie to the subject and wanted to explore the below comparison:

Israel was the home of the Jews long ago, but over time (via numerous historical events) it eventually fell into the hands of the Muslims.

North America was once the home of various large Native American tribes (for thousands and thousands of years), but over time it eventually came under the control of "Western" foreigners.

For those who support the newly installed state of Israel following WWII, how would you feel about a foreign gov't coming into the US and forcefully installing a Native American state over (perhaps) 4-6 states?

My take:
Personally, I'd be pretty ticked off if China came into the US and gave whatever tribe controlled Illinois (and Chicago) back to the Native American tribes who once controlled the region; would you if this happened in your city/town?

This is why I'm sort of undecided when it comes to the question "do I support the Modern Israeli state". To support it full fledged would sorta make me a hypocrite.



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Back then Indian tribes fought against each other, There was not a united organized government.

China is here : http://gov.idaho.gov/mediacenter/press/pdf/2011/Idaho-China Trade and Investment Relations FAQ.pdf

I don't know much about the Israel/Palestine story from a political point, except that from my understanding and I could be wrong, Israel bought the land from them and when they got it, it was not in great shape but after they made it flourish the Palestinians wanted it back.

Kind of like Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, we made a purchase and now the argument from illegals is that we stole mexico.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Israel became a Kingdom in 1020 B.C.

There has never been a Palestine Nation nor Kingdom.
The Palestine State was created in 1964 (made up) by Yasser Arafat and other Arab nations. The Palestinian state is still more of a plan or ideal than an actual entity.

Biblical stories do not establish a past "Land of Israel."

You are free to keep believing in your fairytales, I choose to believe in real History.

 

[sealadaigh]

Jews a little less so right? holocaust denying Jews hater ..

Lets' pretend "holocaust" was true ,, Israel commits the same as "holocaust" against Muslims in Palestine everyday

Ah, now it becomes clearer: the Holocaust denier edited its post at 10:33 this morning. So - whether or not the seal and the sherri actually 'agreed' with the original wording which was 'just' the idiotic exaggeration and also referred to Christians as 'victims' - they are now both appearing to 'second' Holocaust denial. Although the " around the word Holocaust in the original version of the post *may* indicate Holocaust denial - the edit makes it blatant.

I think that's pretty skunky behavior on 'Flowery's part.

i have never, ever denied the holocaust and have disagreed with those pro-palestinian posters directly who have. you are just grasping at straws.

i agreed about the treatment of the palestinians.

shall we discuss your recent defense/agreement with a rather distasteful suggestion made recently about how a black man should be treated. i never accused you of that but as long as we are doing everything we can, to include lying, to discredit other posters, i suppose such turnabout would be fair play.

i won't do it but you go right ahead. i expect it of you.

this thread is about how the actions or the actions of zionists compares with the actions of colonial powers in north america , or at least that is how it began. i made, in my opinion, a more accurate analogy using mormons.

why don't you describe the creation of the israeli state and why it would be permissable for other peoples, or more accurately, religions, to do such a thing as well instead of just whining.

here, let me give you an example...it is acceptable and should be supported if people adherent to a religion arbitrarily pick a place in time and go back to the land they inhabited at that chosen time and set up a religious state, disrupting the indigenous ethnic people whose families have been there for ceenturies.

that is rough but it is a start. keep in mind that the irish and their relationship with gods/religions is unusual and hard to define and secretive without that intent, but there is a lot of druidic influence on their practices and beliefs. they still dance at lughnasa in the celtic world and the birth of a child on samhain confers blessings on the parents and special powers on the child.

describe israel in a way that the rules will apply to other peoples.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Hey Dudes, I'm a newbie to the subject and wanted to explore the below comparison:

Israel was the home of the Jews long ago, but over time (via numerous historical events) it eventually fell into the hands of the Muslims.

North America was once the home of various large Native American tribes (for thousands and thousands of years), but over time it eventually came under the control of "Western" foreigners.

For those who support the newly installed state of Israel following WWII, how would you feel about a foreign gov't coming into the US and forcefully installing a Native American state over (perhaps) 4-6 states?

My take:
Personally, I'd be pretty ticked off if China came into the US and gave whatever tribe controlled Illinois (and Chicago) back to the Native American tribes who once controlled the region; would you if this happened in your city/town?

This is why I'm sort of undecided when it comes to the question "do I support the Modern Israeli state". To support it full fledged would sorta make me a hypocrite.



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Back then Indian tribes fought against each other, There was not a united organized government.

China is here : http://gov.idaho.gov/mediacenter/press/pdf/2011/Idaho-China Trade and Investment Relations FAQ.pdf

I don't know much about the Israel/Palestine story from a political point, except that from my understanding and I could be wrong, Israel bought the land from them and when they got it, it was not in great shape but after they made it flourish the Palestinians wanted it back.

Kind of like Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, we made a purchase and now the argument from illegals is that we stole mexico.

Israel has been ethnically cleansing the land of its indigenous people since Israel was created in 1948. From 1947 to 1949, they ethnically cleansed the land of 750,000 of its inhabitants. They steal and kill, that is the Zionist way.


Sherri

 

[sealadaigh]

Israel became a Kingdom in 1020 B.C.

There has never been a Palestine Nation nor Kingdom.
The Palestine State was created in 1964 (made up) by Yasser Arafat and other Arab nations. The Palestinian state is still more of a plan or ideal than an actual entity.

and israel ceased to be a kingdom 2000 years ago.

palestinian and arab culture have a different relationship with the land than european people. they are a tribal people and tribal peoples generally do not have what we define as nations. many cultures are like that.

try to respect the values and styles of other cultures instead of assuming that your culture's style is superior. it may be for you but not necessarily for them.

 

[Michelle420]

Hey Dudes, I'm a newbie to the subject and wanted to explore the below comparison:

Israel was the home of the Jews long ago, but over time (via numerous historical events) it eventually fell into the hands of the Muslims.

North America was once the home of various large Native American tribes (for thousands and thousands of years), but over time it eventually came under the control of "Western" foreigners.

For those who support the newly installed state of Israel following WWII, how would you feel about a foreign gov't coming into the US and forcefully installing a Native American state over (perhaps) 4-6 states?

My take:
Personally, I'd be pretty ticked off if China came into the US and gave whatever tribe controlled Illinois (and Chicago) back to the Native American tribes who once controlled the region; would you if this happened in your city/town?

This is why I'm sort of undecided when it comes to the question "do I support the Modern Israeli state". To support it full fledged would sorta make me a hypocrite.



.

Back then Indian tribes fought against each other, There was not a united organized government.

China is here : http://gov.idaho.gov/mediacenter/press/pdf/2011/Idaho-China Trade and Investment Relations FAQ.pdf

I don't know much about the Israel/Palestine story from a political point, except that from my understanding and I could be wrong, Israel bought the land from them and when they got it, it was not in great shape but after they made it flourish the Palestinians wanted it back.

Kind of like Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, we made a purchase and now the argument from illegals is that we stole mexico.

Israel has been ethnically cleansing the land of its indigenous people since Israel was created in 1948. From 1947 to 1949, they ethnically cleansed the land of 750,000 of its inhabitants. They steal and kill, that is the Zionist way.


Sherri

Or have they just defended their purchase of land much the same way we have ours?

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Back then Indian tribes fought against each other, There was not a united organized government.

China is here : http://gov.idaho.gov/mediacenter/press/pdf/2011/Idaho-China Trade and Investment Relations FAQ.pdf

I don't know much about the Israel/Palestine story from a political point, except that from my understanding and I could be wrong, Israel bought the land from them and when they got it, it was not in great shape but after they made it flourish the Palestinians wanted it back.

Kind of like Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, we made a purchase and now the argument from illegals is that we stole mexico.

Israel has been ethnically cleansing the land of its indigenous people since Israel was created in 1948. From 1947 to 1949, they ethnically cleansed the land of 750,000 of its inhabitants. They steal and kill, that is the Zionist way.


Sherri

Or have they just defended their purchase of land much the same way we have ours?

The land was not purchased.

 

[sealadaigh]

Back then Indian tribes fought against each other, There was not a united organized government.

China is here : http://gov.idaho.gov/mediacenter/press/pdf/2011/Idaho-China Trade and Investment Relations FAQ.pdf

I don't know much about the Israel/Palestine story from a political point, except that from my understanding and I could be wrong, Israel bought the land from them and when they got it, it was not in great shape but after they made it flourish the Palestinians wanted it back.

Kind of like Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, we made a purchase and now the argument from illegals is that we stole mexico.

Israel has been ethnically cleansing the land of its indigenous people since Israel was created in 1948. From 1947 to 1949, they ethnically cleansed the land of 750,000 of its inhabitants. They steal and kill, that is the Zionist way.


Sherri

Or have they just defended their purchase of land much the same way we have ours?

we bought manhattan for trinkets from a people who had no concept of the ownership of the land....well, or so the story goes.

i think you are going to run into a lot of difficulty when you try to justify relatively recent events based upon events of the past.

you refer to an event that happened centuries ago for the most part to justify a current situation/problem. do you own slaves. it was common a couple of hundred years ago. personally, i am opposed to it.