The irony of the abortion issue.

[Frankenstein]

When it is a fetus, the doctor has the mothers consent to perform the abortion or it is to save the life of the mother Or the fetus is not viable or not developed sufficiently to live following birth.

And it still is none of your fucking lying business what a woman and her doctor do.


When a fetus becomes a person completely separated from his or her mother, standard homicide charges would apply if a doctor decides on his own to kill the newborn baby.

Oh my God, how old are you? What is your education? Why don’t you know things like this?

Why it still can't sustain itself, you are a baby killing machine

 

[Mac-7]

Woodznutz

I am arguing that United States citizenry and their elected government has zero interest in protecting a fetus from its mother and the doctor that she chooses to care for her in her interest.

I am also arguing that the United States citizens and their elected government have full interest in protecting a fetus everyone else besides its mother.

This is primarily on a basis of what constitutes harm to society or free individuals.

You are shoveling bs

Answer the question

Do you want any restriction on abortion at any time for any reason?

 

[Woodznutz]

Most likely they didn't look forward dealing with an asshole like you for 18 years over a few bucks. That's why they didn't sue you

This hostile post suggests that you are bitter about something.

 

[Arlette]

This hostile post suggests that you are bitter about something.

No. Those women wanted to be shut off you. That was more important to em than your child support.

 

[Woodznutz]

No. Those women wanted to be shut off you. That was more important to em than your child support.

Dream on.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Do you want any restriction on abortion at any time for any reason?

98% of women self restrict for abortions by choice. They do it within 21 weeks at the latest. Most occur before 11 weeks. There final 2 - 3 percent are to save the life of the mother or for fetal deformities which cause live birth resulting in death.

That was working under RvW for fifty years. I’m for restricting convenience abotins to before 24 weeks ad it was in Roe and as it is in the Ohio Constitution. After 24 weeks the government continues to have zero interest in preventing women from terminating their own pregnancies.

I support no restrictions except those applied in the Ohio Constitution.

 

[Mac-7]

98% of women self restrict for abortions by choice. They do it within 21 weeks at the latest. Most occur before 11 weeks. There final 2 - 3 percent are to save the life of the mother or for fetal deformities which cause live birth resulting in death.

That was working under RvW for fifty years. I’m for restricting convenience abotins to before 24 weeks ad it was in Roe and as it is in the Ohio Constitution. After 24 weeks the government continues to have zero interest in preventing women from terminating their own pregnancies.

I support no restrictions except those applied in the Ohio Constitution.

At least we agree that some restrictions on abortion are acceptable

Both sides will have to accept less than we want

For instance 24 weeks is much too long

8-12 weeks is better

 

[Arlette]

Dream on.

You got rejected.

 

[HeyNorm]

Why it still can't sustain itself, you are a baby killing machine

Which makes the fetus “similarly situated” to the newborn.

To argue that one can’t be legally terminated while the other can is highly suspect reasoning.

 

[Frankenstein]

Which makes the fetus “similarly situated” to the newborn.

To argue that one can’t be legally terminated while the other can is highly suspect reasoning.

The left does not care about babies, or women, it's a wedge issue that they can trot out every four years. They have convinced a lot of women it's in their best interest to kill their unborn

 

[whutTHEYsay]

highly suspect reasoning.

there us no similar situation for the born and unborn to a person who applies reason to their thinking

 

[HeyNorm]

there us no similar situation for the born and unborn to a person who applies reason to their thinking

As the bigot said, there is no similar situation between a black and a white, or a same sex or opposite sex couple.

Hey, you made the box, now live in it.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

The left does not care about babies, or women, it's a wedge issue that they can trot out every four years. They have convinced a lot of women it's in their best interest to kill their unborn

Actually Dobbs ruined the primary wedge issue fueled and financed by Republican aligned billionaires and Christian religious zealot culture warriors who have been perpetuating the myth that America was founded as a Christian Nation and which includes the gun nuts and white supremacy Republicans since Wallace leftovers from the bible belt old south confederacy and some big cattle ranch owners in the west.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

As the bigot said, there is no similar situation between a black and a white, or a same sex or opposite sex couple.

The similar situation among those folks is that they have been born and they have equal protection under our Constitution when their existence and their activities do not cause harm to others.

The unborn human does not have equal protection unless the pregnant woman wills it so. When a woman intends to give birth her fetus gains equal protection as if it were born.

 

[HeyNorm]

The similar situation among those folks is that they have been born and they have equal protection under our Constitution which their existence and activities do not cause harm .

The Unborn human does not have equal protection unless the pregnsnt woman wills it so.

They were not protected until the law stepped in, making them so protected.

And that protection was afforded them using the legal standard “ similarly situated”.

Try harder next time.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

And that protection was afforded them using the legal standard “ similarly situated”.

No it wasn’t. it e was a civil war, an Emancipation Proclamation, and another century of culture war between left and right until multiple major left victories in the Sixties and Seventies, The white right has been attempting to undo similar situation since that time.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

It's allegory. I obviously intend no violence. As the context shows.

Remember, you're the one who wants your fetishes about women and their own bodies to be enforced at the end of a gun. That's violence.

What fetishes would those be?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Just stop killing kids and I'll leave you alone, ok?

We do it, "for the children"!

 

[HeyNorm]

No it wasn’t. it e was a civil war, an Emancipation Proclamation, and another century of culture war between left and right until multiple major left victories in the Sixties and Seventies, The white right has been attempting to undo similar situation since that time.

And your arguments against fetus rights are the same arguments Jim Crow types used to try to keep blacks down.

 

[HeyNorm]

The similar situation among those folks is that they have been born and they have equal protection under our Constitution when their existence and their activities do not cause harm to others.

The unborn human does not have equal protection unless the pregnant woman wills it so. When a woman intends to give birth her fetus gains equal protection as if it were born.

And prior to a just society emancipating blacks they also didn’t deserve equal protection. Right?

So the question remains, do those similarly situated deserve equal protection?

If a couple comprised of two heterosexual males can be said to be similarly situated to a couple comprised of two opposite sex individuals, and thus have the right to marry (as freaking bizarre as that is), to claim that an 8 month gestated fetus is not similarly situated to a newborn is simply absurd.