The invention of global warming

[Agit8r]

CO2 is only a problem when y'all are asked to wear a mask, right?

 

[Dagosa]

What about stomach ulcers that doctors for decades said was caused by spicy foods, or stress....."

Btw....you make shit up. The foods doctors want you to stay away from, make symptoms worse...the cause, is, was, has always been, a disruption in acid make up in stomach.

The fact is, scientists still don't understand the processes underlying global temperature shifts upward and downward of several degrees over the course of centuries. Whatever the complex causes, carbon dioxide probably doesn't play a significant role.

Ha ha...seriously, scientists dont get it ?
you guys are bat shitz. The smartest science people in the world in every country, every university and research facility, and they don’t understand it like you do. you Should be embarrassed.
nasa, MIT, Johns Hopkins and everyone at cal tech and the other free countries of the world along WITH our OWN MILITARY aren’t as smart as you...shitz for brains.
btw, report yourself to a moderator. Stomach ulcers are Way off topic.

You put out the same opinionated consensus crap, you don't have anything beyond that, that is because you have been a well trained puppy.

So far you haven't posted a shred of science on the subject, which isn't surprising as you have shown ZERO demonstrated understanding what the debate is actually about.

Who paid you to be this stupid, Al $$$$ Gore? you one of his graduates at Lemming and brainwashed academy??

Al Gore, whaaaaa
i suppose that’s your answer as to why you’re an effin expert over MIT et al. Got a reason why for decades, our military has worked to adjust its mission to AGW and make a smaller footprint ? Nope...Al Gore whaaaaa.
with all due respect to you as a fellow human being, you stink as far as science is concerned.

oh, you’re a doctor too ? Yup, I’m a navy test pilot, I do brain surgery on weekends and am an astronaut For field training. I’d be happy to examine your IQ. Mine and Trumps would embarrass you but that’s OK. Al Gore whaaaa.

Still no shred of evidence, it appears you don't know what evidence is....., epic fail.

Typical pigeon answer. Promote fake Shinzo then fly away declaring victory while the entire world has signed on to AGW and KNOWS differently.

 

[ReinyDays]

The OP is about global warming ... and this is true according to the limited data we have ... the average temperature from 1880 to 1949 inclusive is lower than the average temperature 1950 to 2019 inclusive ... by definition, that's global warming ...

Climate Change is a hoax ... it's New Speak for global warming because global warming isn't scary ... it's a scared population who thrusts more power to their government ... drive two hours south, there, you've experienced all the climate change we expect over the next 100 years ... catastophic for Chicago to have Peoria weather ... everybody in Nashville will die if they get Atlanta weather ... hypercanes making landfall every fifteen minutes ... hockey sticks raining down on New York City ... golf balls the size of hail ... Phoenix shriveling under desert skies ... horror of horrors, the polar vortex spinning clockwise over Antarctica ...

Our great-great-great-great-great-grandchildern are gonna hate us ...

 

[Dagosa]

Why can't Dagosa answer this simple question (asked three times now) could it be because it destroys the long running consensus error?

"What about stomach ulcers that doctors for decades said was caused by spicy foods, or stress....."

Man up and answer the question...

Now you’re on a food kick still. I didn’t know this thread was about diets ?

The OP is about global warming ... and this is true according to the limited data we have ... the average temperature from 1880 to 1949 inclusive is lower than the average temperature 1950 to 2019 inclusive ... by definition, that's global warming ...

Climate Change is a hoax ... it's New Speak for global warming because global warming isn't scary ... it's a scared population who thrusts more power to their government ... drive two hours south, there, you've experienced all the climate change we expect over the next 100 years ... catastophic for Chicago to have Peoria weather ... everybody in Nashville will die if they get Atlanta weather ... hypercanes making landfall every fifteen minutes ... hockey sticks raining down on New York City ... golf balls the size of hail ... Phoenix shriveling under desert skies ... horror of horrors, the polar vortex spinning clockwise over Antarctica ...

Our great-great-great-great-great-grandchildern are gonna hate us ...

I don’t think we are presenting “climate change” accurately enough.
the climate has been warming without fossil fuel introduction. But, all evidence, including that from fossilized plant and animal life and not just temperatures, indicates the “rate of change“ has increased faster then our species can adapt. Climate change is ALL about evolution. If anyone doesn’t believe in Evolution, one of the founding principles of biology, they’re inconsequential In any thing they have to say. It’s like debating how to fix a car with someone who doesn’t know what a wrench is.

 

[Sunsettommy]

The idiot writes this OBVIOUS deflection, doesn't want to see the answer to the posted consensus failures:

"Now you’re on a food kick still. I didn’t know this thread was about diets ?"

Here is what the turd keeps avoiding, despite being asked THREE times to answer this question:

"Why can't Dagosa answer this simple question (asked three times now) could it be because it destroys the long running consensus error?

"What about stomach ulcers that doctors for decades said was caused by spicy foods, or stress....."

Man up and answer the question... "

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YOU brought up the Consensus fallacy over and over, which I duly replied to, you in return avoid my question over and over. The fool realize that I have set up a trap for him to deal with a well proven consensus failure, by a single researcher, who beats decades of conventional consensus view point, that spicy foods or stress caused Ulcers.....

Your stupid ducking is OBVIOUS, why don't you be a decent person, admit that consensus failures does exist and that there are many of them over the decades?

 

[Sunsettommy]

What about stomach ulcers that doctors for decades said was caused by spicy foods, or stress....."

Btw....you make shit up. The foods doctors want you to stay away from, make symptoms worse...the cause, is, was, has always been, a disruption in acid make up in stomach.

The fact is, scientists still don't understand the processes underlying global temperature shifts upward and downward of several degrees over the course of centuries. Whatever the complex causes, carbon dioxide probably doesn't play a significant role.

Ha ha...seriously, scientists dont get it ?
you guys are bat shitz. The smartest science people in the world in every country, every university and research facility, and they don’t understand it like you do. you Should be embarrassed.
nasa, MIT, Johns Hopkins and everyone at cal tech and the other free countries of the world along WITH our OWN MILITARY aren’t as smart as you...shitz for brains.
btw, report yourself to a moderator. Stomach ulcers are Way off topic.

You put out the same opinionated consensus crap, you don't have anything beyond that, that is because you have been a well trained puppy.

So far you haven't posted a shred of science on the subject, which isn't surprising as you have shown ZERO demonstrated understanding what the debate is actually about.

Who paid you to be this stupid, Al $$$$ Gore? you one of his graduates at Lemming and brainwashed academy??

Al Gore, whaaaaa
i suppose that’s your answer as to why you’re an effin expert over MIT et al. Got a reason why for decades, our military has worked to adjust its mission to AGW and make a smaller footprint ? Nope...Al Gore whaaaaa.
with all due respect to you as a fellow human being, you stink as far as science is concerned.

oh, you’re a doctor too ? Yup, I’m a navy test pilot, I do brain surgery on weekends and am an astronaut For field training. I’d be happy to examine your IQ. Mine and Trumps would embarrass you but that’s OK. Al Gore whaaaa.

Still no shred of evidence, it appears you don't know what evidence is....., epic fail.

Typical pigeon answer. Promote fake Shinzo then fly away declaring victory while the entire world has signed on to AGW and KNOWS differently.
View attachment 358102

Says the turd who with great courage repeatedly avoids answering a simple question:

"What about stomach ulcers that doctors for decades said was caused by spicy foods, or stress....."

Meanwhile I repeat myself:

"Still no shred of evidence, it appears you don't know what evidence is....., epic fail."

You are already neck deep in the Pidgeon shit.

 

[Dagosa]

What about stomach ulcers that doctors for decades said was caused by spicy foods, or stress....."

Btw....you make shit up. The foods doctors want you to stay away from, make symptoms worse...the cause, is, was, has always been, a disruption in acid make up in stomach.

The fact is, scientists still don't understand the processes underlying global temperature shifts upward and downward of several degrees over the course of centuries. Whatever the complex causes, carbon dioxide probably doesn't play a significant role.

Ha ha...seriously, scientists dont get it ?
you guys are bat shitz. The smartest science people in the world in every country, every university and research facility, and they don’t understand it like you do. you Should be embarrassed.
nasa, MIT, Johns Hopkins and everyone at cal tech and the other free countries of the world along WITH our OWN MILITARY aren’t as smart as you...shitz for brains.
btw, report yourself to a moderator. Stomach ulcers are Way off topic.

You put out the same opinionated consensus crap, you don't have anything beyond that, that is because you have been a well trained puppy.

So far you haven't posted a shred of science on the subject, which isn't surprising as you have shown ZERO demonstrated understanding what the debate is actually about.

Who paid you to be this stupid, Al $$$$ Gore? you one of his graduates at Lemming and brainwashed academy??

Al Gore, whaaaaa
i suppose that’s your answer as to why you’re an effin expert over MIT et al. Got a reason why for decades, our military has worked to adjust its mission to AGW and make a smaller footprint ? Nope...Al Gore whaaaaa.
with all due respect to you as a fellow human being, you stink as far as science is concerned.

oh, you’re a doctor too ? Yup, I’m a navy test pilot, I do brain surgery on weekends and am an astronaut For field training. I’d be happy to examine your IQ. Mine and Trumps would embarrass you but that’s OK. Al Gore whaaaa.

Still no shred of evidence, it appears you don't know what evidence is....., epic fail.

Typical pigeon answer. Promote fake Shinzo then fly away declaring victory while the entire world has signed on to AGW and KNOWS differently.
View attachment 358102

Says the turd who with great courage repeatedly avoids answering a simple question:

"What about stomach ulcers that doctors for decades said was caused by spicy foods, or stress....."

Meanwhile I repeat myself:

"Still no shred of evidence, it appears you don't know what evidence is....., epic fail."

You are already neck deep in the Pidgeon shit.

Show where “doctors“ said that. Let’s get a few quotes from real institutes like Johns Hopkins

 

[ReinyDays]

I don’t think we are presenting “climate change” accurately enough.
the climate has been warming without fossil fuel introduction. But, all evidence, including that from fossilized plant and animal life and not just temperatures, indicates the “rate of change“ has increased faster then our species can adapt. Climate change is ALL about evolution. If anyone doesn’t believe in Evolution, one of the founding principles of biology, they’re inconsequential In any thing they have to say. It’s like debating how to fix a car with someone who doesn’t know what a wrench is.

What is this "rate of change" you speak of ... how is it humans cannot tolerate a 2ºC increase in temperature ... are you suggesting that moving from Chicago to Peoria would be deadly? ... Oslo to Athens? ... why do Inuit survive in the sub-arctic and San Blas survive the equatorial tropics? ...

Did you know humans are the only megafauna to inhabit Antarctica year-round? ... Lord almighty, humans are the only species to have walked on the damn Moon ... other than ants, humans are the most adaptive creature on Earth (and the Moon) ... look what we did to Illinois ... yeesh that's cruel ...

 

[Dagosa]

Why can't Dagosa answer this simple question (asked three times now) could it be because it destroys the long running consensus error?

Because it’s a stupid question when you assert what doctors said first..What’s the question ? What causes ulsers ? Cause you starting off with doctors saying Types of foods cause it, is wrong....no doctor I have ever known said that. You want the real cause ? Google it at a medical research hospital.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Why can't Dagosa answer this simple question (asked three times now) could it be because it destroys the long running consensus error?

Because it’s a stupid question when you assert what doctors said first..What’s the question ? What causes ulsers ? Cause you starting off with doctors saying Types of foods cause it, is wrong....no doctor I have ever known said that. You want the real cause ? Google it at a medical research hospital.

Your continuous ducking of a consensus related question tells me all need to know about you.

You are afraid of the answer.

 

[Sunsettommy]

What about stomach ulcers that doctors for decades said was caused by spicy foods, or stress....."

Btw....you make shit up. The foods doctors want you to stay away from, make symptoms worse...the cause, is, was, has always been, a disruption in acid make up in stomach.

The fact is, scientists still don't understand the processes underlying global temperature shifts upward and downward of several degrees over the course of centuries. Whatever the complex causes, carbon dioxide probably doesn't play a significant role.

Ha ha...seriously, scientists dont get it ?
you guys are bat shitz. The smartest science people in the world in every country, every university and research facility, and they don’t understand it like you do. you Should be embarrassed.
nasa, MIT, Johns Hopkins and everyone at cal tech and the other free countries of the world along WITH our OWN MILITARY aren’t as smart as you...shitz for brains.
btw, report yourself to a moderator. Stomach ulcers are Way off topic.

You put out the same opinionated consensus crap, you don't have anything beyond that, that is because you have been a well trained puppy.

So far you haven't posted a shred of science on the subject, which isn't surprising as you have shown ZERO demonstrated understanding what the debate is actually about.

Who paid you to be this stupid, Al $$$$ Gore? you one of his graduates at Lemming and brainwashed academy??

Al Gore, whaaaaa
i suppose that’s your answer as to why you’re an effin expert over MIT et al. Got a reason why for decades, our military has worked to adjust its mission to AGW and make a smaller footprint ? Nope...Al Gore whaaaaa.
with all due respect to you as a fellow human being, you stink as far as science is concerned.

oh, you’re a doctor too ? Yup, I’m a navy test pilot, I do brain surgery on weekends and am an astronaut For field training. I’d be happy to examine your IQ. Mine and Trumps would embarrass you but that’s OK. Al Gore whaaaa.

Still no shred of evidence, it appears you don't know what evidence is....., epic fail.

Typical pigeon answer. Promote fake Shinzo then fly away declaring victory while the entire world has signed on to AGW and KNOWS differently.
View attachment 358102

Says the turd who with great courage repeatedly avoids answering a simple question:

"What about stomach ulcers that doctors for decades said was caused by spicy foods, or stress....."

Meanwhile I repeat myself:

"Still no shred of evidence, it appears you don't know what evidence is....., epic fail."

You are already neck deep in the Pidgeon shit.

Show where “doctors“ said that. Let’s get a few quotes from real institutes like Johns Hopkins

You have insufficient critical thinking skills to digest the question, your ignorance is why you are afraid of the answer.

I know what the answer is, but YOU can google for it anytime you unroll yourself from the playpen..

 

[westwall]

BS"D

With all the media hype about "global warming," many have become confused not only about the facts, but even what is the real issue. Why has the "global warming" myth been pushed at us so fervently in recent years? Who is behind this deception, and for what purpose? This excerpt from the JAHG-USA Newsletter (see noahide.com/newsletter/news72.htm) explains.

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Factual Background:
For decades, environmentalists have complained that human activities industrial production, automobiles, etc. produce too much atmospheric pollution. Carbon dioxide, being possibly the largest single "pollutant" from human sources, became a favorate target.

The first problem with attacking carbon dioxide is that it isn't toxic. It's in the air we breathe, and it doesn't cause health problems. And it's produced by natural sources (animals, decaying organic matter, natural forest fires, volcanoes, etc.) far more than by human ones. That made it hard for environmentalists to sell people on the notion that we must dismantle industry in order to cut back carbon dioxide emissions, so they changed tactics.

By the 1980s, environmentalist radicals (including many leftists and Marxists working as "scientific" researchers) were claiming that if carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere were to increase significantly, it would create a "greenhouse effect" in which the air would trap more heat on earth and well, that would be sheer chaos, they say. Vegetation and animals would die off, polar ice caps would melt and the rising oceans would swallow the land, humans would die of famine and disease, and the world would be utterly destroyed. It was like something from a "Twilight Zone" episode (or a Godzilla movie).

More legitimate scientists have pointed out that (1) the earth has seen large, natural variations in overall temperature over the course of centuries, which drastically altered world climates without disaster (the globe has been many degrees warmer in the past), and (2) even if the earth would warm up, that might present benefits rather than destruction.

But all this may be moot, since there's actually no evidence of a "global warming" anyway. Even the leftist radicals who dominate the National Academy of Sciences and who recently declared a "global warming" crisis couldn't find anything more than, at most, a one degree increase in temperature over the last century one of the slowest temperature changes in world history. And even that is rubbish. The data behind that conclusion was a series of temperature measurements biased by something called the "urban heat island" effect, in which cities show higher temperatures than the surrounding countrysides (because buildings, pavement, and machinery tend to produce or trap more heat); when adjusting for the over-reading of temperatures in cities, one finds no global increase in temperature at all. This was the primary reason so many scientists have opposed the "global warming" hype.

But then, there's no reason for carbon dioxide to cause "global warming" in the first place. Even if humans could produce enough carbon dioxide to change atmospheric levels (which we don't), that extra carbon dioxide would simply be absorbed by nature. It would fuel a dramatic growth in forests and lush vegetation (which consume carbon dioxide), and would lead to thriving ecosystems while the atmospheric levels would keep returning to normal. So nature wouldn't even allow the possibility of "global warming."

The fact is, scientists still don't understand the processes underlying global temperature shifts upward and downward of several degrees over the course of centuries. Whatever the complex causes, carbon dioxide probably doesn't play a significant role.

Yet environmentalists still try to insist they're seeing rising temperatures that are melting ice in Canada and Greenland, while blatantly ignoring the growing freeze in Antartica, where rising snow levels are burying research stations and their equipment. What's the environmental agenda behind twisting science and frightening the public?

The environmentalist movement was largely created by grants and funding from Fabian Socialists running large tax-exempt foundations such as the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation and its affiliates, the Carnegie Endowment, and so forth. A congressional investigation in the early 1950s discovered that the directors of these foundations are using their funds to support Marxist revolution and propaganda of various types, with the ultimate goal of transforming the United States into a Soviet-style Communist nation. And it was funding from such institutions that created virtually the entire interlocking network of environmentalist groups.

Some of those groups now have open ties to the Communist Bloc, such as Greenpeace, which is supported by Soviet intelligence, is provided Soviet money, and works with Soviet agents in formulating its propaganda (see an article on the subject on our sister site, ATTAC Report, entitled "Greenpeace Wages Redwar"). Greenpeace is interconnected with both the more "moderate" environmentalist groups, such as the Sierra Club, and with openly Marxist, terrorist groups such as Earth First! and the Earth Liberation Front. And many other eco-groups have similar Marxist ties.

The environmentalists are simply using pseudo-science to disguise their Communist goal: to dismantle industrial society step by step, until the increasingly disfunctional economy becomes an easy target for revolution and Socialist destruction.

Relevant Torah Principles:
1) One of the mandates of Jewish Law is to develop the land of Israel, especially in building cities and urban areas. It is forbidden under Jewish Law to dismantle urban development in favor of restoring farmland or wild nature. In general, this development process is part of the Jewish work of "Tikkun HaOlam" ("repairing the world"), which involves correcting the imperfection of nature through human development.

2) Under the Noahide Laws, this isn't just one of the mandates; it's the entire mandate. The core purpose of gentiles in G-d's plan is to develop the world physically by filling it with more population, by transforming the land through construction and development, and by exploiting and harnessing natural resources. The industrial revolution represents a further stage in the human obligation under G-d's Law to develop the world, and is an imminent preparation for the Messianic Era that will be fueled by capital-development ("capitalist") economies that will produce endlessly abundant wealth.

3) This mandate of development isn't a "right"; it's an obligation, a duty under G-d's Law. Consequently, the underlying principles of the Noahide Laws empower gentile governments to enforce this obligation, if necessary. If there are people opting for a return to nature in their own lives, the government may pass laws to discourage this and put pressure on those people to repent and return to their duty of building civilization. If an entire environmentalist movement arises, there is no question the government is positively obligated to outlaw the movement and all of its anti-social activities, with severe penalties if needed, in order to suppress it as a subversive danger to society.

4) In wartime, any movement that seeks to damage the economy and undermine the society isn't just rebelling against the mandate for growth; it's violating the Noahide commandment of upholding justice. It threatens the very stability of the nation itself and undermines the war effort, and thus amounts to treason, which brings death penalty.

Analysis:
We are today at war with international Communism, which already rules over one-third of the world and is bringing the rest of the nations to the brink of chaos and collapse. Their slow attack of internal subversion is weakening all nations in preparation for the more overt attack coming soon.

Environmentalism constitutes one arm of Communist subversion of non-Communist societies (Communist regimes themselves completely ignore environmental issues in their aggressive building of war machines). Thus the environmentalist movement, from the most "respectable" conservationist groups to the most violent eco-radicals, are a treasonous fifth column that threatens our national security and endangers our lives.

Not only must we dismantle existing environmental regulations (especially those meant to reduce carbon dioxide emissions), but the government must take aggressive legal action to suppress the environmentalist movement and its sponsors and affiliates. Communist and Fabian Socialist agents must be rooted out through comprehensive investigations and executed as traitors.

Those subversives will ultimately destroy themselves and kill one another at the end of the third War of Gog and Magog (as foretold in prophecy). But if we fail to act ourselves, our nations will go through a period of terrible crises and economic disasters before it's all over.

Leading organizations involved in climate change research, policy making and education
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) - Climate Change Science
This section of the EPA website offers scientific information and data on climate change in the past and projections for the future. Specific information about the U.S. government's role in conducting and evaluating science as well as EPA's role in these efforts can be found on the Climate Change Science Program and EPA Research and Assessment pages in the Policy section.

NOAA Education - Climate Change and Our Planet
This collection of resources from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) are designed for teachers to use in the classroom or as background reference material.

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was established by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) to provide objective reports on climate change and its potential environmental and socio-economic consequences. Geography has played a central role in the IPCC’s activities. Dr. Thomas Wilbanks, past president of the AAG and recipient of numerous honors in the field of geography, served as lead author of a chapter of the Fourth Assessment Report which was awarded the Nobel Prize in 2007.

National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
NCAR provides the university science and teaching community with the tools, facilities, and support required to perform innovative research. Through NCAR, scientists gain access to high-performance computational and observational facilities, such as supercomputers, aircraft and radar - resources researchers need to improve human understanding of atmospheric and Earth system processes. NCAR also houses the Geographical Information Systems (GIS) Strategic Initiative, an interdisciplinary effort to foster collaborative science, spatial data interoperability, and knowledge sharing with GIS, within the field of atmospheric research.

Center for Remote Sensing of Ice Sheets (CReSIS)
CReSIS was established by the NSF in 2005 and is headquartered at the University of Kansas. The Center uses a variety of geographic tools and technologies (including Geographic Information Systems, Remote Sensing, and spatial statistics) to complement its goal of measuring and predicting the response of sea level change to the mass balance of ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica.

National Climate Data Center (NCDC)
NCDC is the world's largest active archive of weather data. NCDC produces numerous climate publications and responds to data requests from all over the world.

World Meteorological Organization
The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) is a specialized agency of the United Nations. It is the UN system's authoritative voice on the state and behavior of the Earth's atmosphere, its interaction with the oceans, the climate it produces and the resulting distribution of water resources.

United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), Climate Change
The UNEP Climate Change website serves as a gateway to UNEP activities related to adaptation, mitigation, science, and communication/outreach on the effects of climate change, as well as programs to reduce emissions from deforestation and degradation of ecosystems.

United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC)
The UNFCCC supports UN bodies involved in the climate change process. This UNFCCC website contains numerous resources, such as introductory and in-depth publications, the official UNFCCC and Kyoto Protocol texts and a search engine to the UNFCCC library.

Pew Center on Global Climate Change
The Pew Center on Global Climate Change brings together business leaders, policy makers, scientists, and other experts to bring a new approach to a complex and often controversial issue. The Center conducts analyses of key climate issues, works to keep policy makers informed, engages the business community in the search for solutions, and reaches out to educate the key audiences.

Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) of the United Nations – Climate Change
FAO's activities in climate change are spread over all departments and cover all agricultural sectors (i.e. agriculture, livestock, forestry, fisheries) as well as highly cross-sectoral topics (e.g. bioenergy, biodiversity, climate risk management). The Interdepartmental Working Group on Climate Change and the Environment, Climate Change and Bioenergy Division (NRC) play an important role in coordinating these activities.

National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC)
The NSIDC supports research on snow, ice, glaciers, frozen ground, and climate interactions that make up Earth's cryosphere. Dr. Mark Serreze, NSIDC Director, has carried out significant geographic research on climate warning in the Arctic and its implications.

International Geosphere-Biosphere Programme (IGBP)
IGBP is a research programme that studies the phenomenon of Global Change. IGBP provides scientific knowledge to improve the sustainability of the living Earth. IGBP studies the interactions between biological, chemical and physical processes and interactions with human systems and collaborates with other programmes to develop and impart the understanding necessary to respond to global change.

This is the THIRD time you post this consensus fallacy, you don't address the first post at all.

Post one remains unchallenged.

If this is all you have, you are going to be greatly disappointed.....

You don’t understand consensus in science do you ? You’re uninformed. These are institutions. They each represent the work of hundreds of scientist over time. They overwhelm one man’s opinion. Better hope your virus cure is done by consensus science, otherwise, it won’t happen.

Consensus is the language of politics. There is no consensus about what the speed of light is, it is known.

The same goes for plate tectonics and evolution.

 

[fncceo]

You don’t understand consensus in science do you ?

I understand if consensus fails to explain data and observations, it's worthless.

The only theories thst matter are those who include data and observations.

 

[Dagosa]

You don’t understand consensus in science do you ?

I understand if consensus fails to explain data and observations, it's worthless.

The only theories thst matter are those who include data and observations.

You really have things backwards. Look up scientific method. One scientist along with his conclusions has value. Another in agreement adds more value. An institution composed of dozens over time, has more.
Ultimately, if you can get every research facility to independently agree, you have pretty reliable consensus. It dwarfs what any independent scientist does.

You want an example of how science works in consensus and developed its theories, just study the world wide efforts now to develope a vaccine for covert 19. In other words doubters, get off your ass and do some research somewhere else other then Faux News.

Doubters of . I haven’t met one yet who understands consensus and the scientific method. They just babble about some individual scientist who cam to some conflicting inane conclusion in opposition. They pretend it has the same value as the collaborative efforts of 3400 universities and government agencies throughout the world. It’s pretty ridiculous.

 

[Dagosa]

You don’t understand consensus in science do you ?

I understand if consensus fails to explain data and observations, it's worthless.

The only theories thst matter are those who include data and observations.

Do you have a better way Then using consensus science ? Let’s hear it ? Maybe prayer or waiting fir Hannity to tell you what to do ?

 

[Dagosa]

BS"D

With all the media hype about "global warming," many have become confused not only about the facts, but even what is the real issue. Why has the "global warming" myth been pushed at us so fervently in recent years? Who is behind this deception, and for what purpose? This excerpt from the JAHG-USA Newsletter (see noahide.com/newsletter/news72.htm) explains.

----

Factual Background:
For decades, environmentalists have complained that human activities industrial production, automobiles, etc. produce too much atmospheric pollution. Carbon dioxide, being possibly the largest single "pollutant" from human sources, became a favorate target.

The first problem with attacking carbon dioxide is that it isn't toxic. It's in the air we breathe, and it doesn't cause health problems. And it's produced by natural sources (animals, decaying organic matter, natural forest fires, volcanoes, etc.) far more than by human ones. That made it hard for environmentalists to sell people on the notion that we must dismantle industry in order to cut back carbon dioxide emissions, so they changed tactics.

By the 1980s, environmentalist radicals (including many leftists and Marxists working as "scientific" researchers) were claiming that if carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere were to increase significantly, it would create a "greenhouse effect" in which the air would trap more heat on earth and well, that would be sheer chaos, they say. Vegetation and animals would die off, polar ice caps would melt and the rising oceans would swallow the land, humans would die of famine and disease, and the world would be utterly destroyed. It was like something from a "Twilight Zone" episode (or a Godzilla movie).

More legitimate scientists have pointed out that (1) the earth has seen large, natural variations in overall temperature over the course of centuries, which drastically altered world climates without disaster (the globe has been many degrees warmer in the past), and (2) even if the earth would warm up, that might present benefits rather than destruction.

But all this may be moot, since there's actually no evidence of a "global warming" anyway. Even the leftist radicals who dominate the National Academy of Sciences and who recently declared a "global warming" crisis couldn't find anything more than, at most, a one degree increase in temperature over the last century one of the slowest temperature changes in world history. And even that is rubbish. The data behind that conclusion was a series of temperature measurements biased by something called the "urban heat island" effect, in which cities show higher temperatures than the surrounding countrysides (because buildings, pavement, and machinery tend to produce or trap more heat); when adjusting for the over-reading of temperatures in cities, one finds no global increase in temperature at all. This was the primary reason so many scientists have opposed the "global warming" hype.

But then, there's no reason for carbon dioxide to cause "global warming" in the first place. Even if humans could produce enough carbon dioxide to change atmospheric levels (which we don't), that extra carbon dioxide would simply be absorbed by nature. It would fuel a dramatic growth in forests and lush vegetation (which consume carbon dioxide), and would lead to thriving ecosystems while the atmospheric levels would keep returning to normal. So nature wouldn't even allow the possibility of "global warming."

The fact is, scientists still don't understand the processes underlying global temperature shifts upward and downward of several degrees over the course of centuries. Whatever the complex causes, carbon dioxide probably doesn't play a significant role.

Yet environmentalists still try to insist they're seeing rising temperatures that are melting ice in Canada and Greenland, while blatantly ignoring the growing freeze in Antartica, where rising snow levels are burying research stations and their equipment. What's the environmental agenda behind twisting science and frightening the public?

The environmentalist movement was largely created by grants and funding from Fabian Socialists running large tax-exempt foundations such as the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation and its affiliates, the Carnegie Endowment, and so forth. A congressional investigation in the early 1950s discovered that the directors of these foundations are using their funds to support Marxist revolution and propaganda of various types, with the ultimate goal of transforming the United States into a Soviet-style Communist nation. And it was funding from such institutions that created virtually the entire interlocking network of environmentalist groups.

Some of those groups now have open ties to the Communist Bloc, such as Greenpeace, which is supported by Soviet intelligence, is provided Soviet money, and works with Soviet agents in formulating its propaganda (see an article on the subject on our sister site, ATTAC Report, entitled "Greenpeace Wages Redwar"). Greenpeace is interconnected with both the more "moderate" environmentalist groups, such as the Sierra Club, and with openly Marxist, terrorist groups such as Earth First! and the Earth Liberation Front. And many other eco-groups have similar Marxist ties.

The environmentalists are simply using pseudo-science to disguise their Communist goal: to dismantle industrial society step by step, until the increasingly disfunctional economy becomes an easy target for revolution and Socialist destruction.

Relevant Torah Principles:
1) One of the mandates of Jewish Law is to develop the land of Israel, especially in building cities and urban areas. It is forbidden under Jewish Law to dismantle urban development in favor of restoring farmland or wild nature. In general, this development process is part of the Jewish work of "Tikkun HaOlam" ("repairing the world"), which involves correcting the imperfection of nature through human development.

2) Under the Noahide Laws, this isn't just one of the mandates; it's the entire mandate. The core purpose of gentiles in G-d's plan is to develop the world physically by filling it with more population, by transforming the land through construction and development, and by exploiting and harnessing natural resources. The industrial revolution represents a further stage in the human obligation under G-d's Law to develop the world, and is an imminent preparation for the Messianic Era that will be fueled by capital-development ("capitalist") economies that will produce endlessly abundant wealth.

3) This mandate of development isn't a "right"; it's an obligation, a duty under G-d's Law. Consequently, the underlying principles of the Noahide Laws empower gentile governments to enforce this obligation, if necessary. If there are people opting for a return to nature in their own lives, the government may pass laws to discourage this and put pressure on those people to repent and return to their duty of building civilization. If an entire environmentalist movement arises, there is no question the government is positively obligated to outlaw the movement and all of its anti-social activities, with severe penalties if needed, in order to suppress it as a subversive danger to society.

4) In wartime, any movement that seeks to damage the economy and undermine the society isn't just rebelling against the mandate for growth; it's violating the Noahide commandment of upholding justice. It threatens the very stability of the nation itself and undermines the war effort, and thus amounts to treason, which brings death penalty.

Analysis:
We are today at war with international Communism, which already rules over one-third of the world and is bringing the rest of the nations to the brink of chaos and collapse. Their slow attack of internal subversion is weakening all nations in preparation for the more overt attack coming soon.

Environmentalism constitutes one arm of Communist subversion of non-Communist societies (Communist regimes themselves completely ignore environmental issues in their aggressive building of war machines). Thus the environmentalist movement, from the most "respectable" conservationist groups to the most violent eco-radicals, are a treasonous fifth column that threatens our national security and endangers our lives.

Not only must we dismantle existing environmental regulations (especially those meant to reduce carbon dioxide emissions), but the government must take aggressive legal action to suppress the environmentalist movement and its sponsors and affiliates. Communist and Fabian Socialist agents must be rooted out through comprehensive investigations and executed as traitors.

Those subversives will ultimately destroy themselves and kill one another at the end of the third War of Gog and Magog (as foretold in prophecy). But if we fail to act ourselves, our nations will go through a period of terrible crises and economic disasters before it's all over.

Leading organizations involved in climate change research, policy making and education
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) - Climate Change Science
This section of the EPA website offers scientific information and data on climate change in the past and projections for the future. Specific information about the U.S. government's role in conducting and evaluating science as well as EPA's role in these efforts can be found on the Climate Change Science Program and EPA Research and Assessment pages in the Policy section.

NOAA Education - Climate Change and Our Planet
This collection of resources from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) are designed for teachers to use in the classroom or as background reference material.

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was established by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) to provide objective reports on climate change and its potential environmental and socio-economic consequences. Geography has played a central role in the IPCC’s activities. Dr. Thomas Wilbanks, past president of the AAG and recipient of numerous honors in the field of geography, served as lead author of a chapter of the Fourth Assessment Report which was awarded the Nobel Prize in 2007.

National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
NCAR provides the university science and teaching community with the tools, facilities, and support required to perform innovative research. Through NCAR, scientists gain access to high-performance computational and observational facilities, such as supercomputers, aircraft and radar - resources researchers need to improve human understanding of atmospheric and Earth system processes. NCAR also houses the Geographical Information Systems (GIS) Strategic Initiative, an interdisciplinary effort to foster collaborative science, spatial data interoperability, and knowledge sharing with GIS, within the field of atmospheric research.

Center for Remote Sensing of Ice Sheets (CReSIS)
CReSIS was established by the NSF in 2005 and is headquartered at the University of Kansas. The Center uses a variety of geographic tools and technologies (including Geographic Information Systems, Remote Sensing, and spatial statistics) to complement its goal of measuring and predicting the response of sea level change to the mass balance of ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica.

National Climate Data Center (NCDC)
NCDC is the world's largest active archive of weather data. NCDC produces numerous climate publications and responds to data requests from all over the world.

World Meteorological Organization
The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) is a specialized agency of the United Nations. It is the UN system's authoritative voice on the state and behavior of the Earth's atmosphere, its interaction with the oceans, the climate it produces and the resulting distribution of water resources.

United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), Climate Change
The UNEP Climate Change website serves as a gateway to UNEP activities related to adaptation, mitigation, science, and communication/outreach on the effects of climate change, as well as programs to reduce emissions from deforestation and degradation of ecosystems.

United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC)
The UNFCCC supports UN bodies involved in the climate change process. This UNFCCC website contains numerous resources, such as introductory and in-depth publications, the official UNFCCC and Kyoto Protocol texts and a search engine to the UNFCCC library.

Pew Center on Global Climate Change
The Pew Center on Global Climate Change brings together business leaders, policy makers, scientists, and other experts to bring a new approach to a complex and often controversial issue. The Center conducts analyses of key climate issues, works to keep policy makers informed, engages the business community in the search for solutions, and reaches out to educate the key audiences.

Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) of the United Nations – Climate Change
FAO's activities in climate change are spread over all departments and cover all agricultural sectors (i.e. agriculture, livestock, forestry, fisheries) as well as highly cross-sectoral topics (e.g. bioenergy, biodiversity, climate risk management). The Interdepartmental Working Group on Climate Change and the Environment, Climate Change and Bioenergy Division (NRC) play an important role in coordinating these activities.

National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC)
The NSIDC supports research on snow, ice, glaciers, frozen ground, and climate interactions that make up Earth's cryosphere. Dr. Mark Serreze, NSIDC Director, has carried out significant geographic research on climate warning in the Arctic and its implications.

International Geosphere-Biosphere Programme (IGBP)
IGBP is a research programme that studies the phenomenon of Global Change. IGBP provides scientific knowledge to improve the sustainability of the living Earth. IGBP studies the interactions between biological, chemical and physical processes and interactions with human systems and collaborates with other programmes to develop and impart the understanding necessary to respond to global change.

This is the THIRD time you post this consensus fallacy, you don't address the first post at all.

Post one remains unchallenged.

If this is all you have, you are going to be greatly disappointed.....

You don’t understand consensus in science do you ? You’re uninformed. These are institutions. They each represent the work of hundreds of scientist over time. They overwhelm one man’s opinion. Better hope your virus cure is done by consensus science, otherwise, it won’t happen.

Consensus is the language of politics. There is no consensus about what the speed of light is, it is known.

The same goes for plate tectonics and evolution.

Babble ....

 

[Dagosa]

BS"D

With all the media hype about "global warming," many have become confused not only about the facts, but even what is the real issue. Why has the "global warming" myth been pushed at us so fervently in recent years? Who is behind this deception, and for what purpose? This excerpt from the JAHG-USA Newsletter (see noahide.com/newsletter/news72.htm) explains.

----

Factual Background:
For decades, environmentalists have complained that human activities industrial production, automobiles, etc. produce too much atmospheric pollution. Carbon dioxide, being possibly the largest single "pollutant" from human sources, became a favorate target.

The first problem with attacking carbon dioxide is that it isn't toxic. It's in the air we breathe, and it doesn't cause health problems. And it's produced by natural sources (animals, decaying organic matter, natural forest fires, volcanoes, etc.) far more than by human ones. That made it hard for environmentalists to sell people on the notion that we must dismantle industry in order to cut back carbon dioxide emissions, so they changed tactics.

By the 1980s, environmentalist radicals (including many leftists and Marxists working as "scientific" researchers) were claiming that if carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere were to increase significantly, it would create a "greenhouse effect" in which the air would trap more heat on earth and well, that would be sheer chaos, they say. Vegetation and animals would die off, polar ice caps would melt and the rising oceans would swallow the land, humans would die of famine and disease, and the world would be utterly destroyed. It was like something from a "Twilight Zone" episode (or a Godzilla movie).

More legitimate scientists have pointed out that (1) the earth has seen large, natural variations in overall temperature over the course of centuries, which drastically altered world climates without disaster (the globe has been many degrees warmer in the past), and (2) even if the earth would warm up, that might present benefits rather than destruction.

But all this may be moot, since there's actually no evidence of a "global warming" anyway. Even the leftist radicals who dominate the National Academy of Sciences and who recently declared a "global warming" crisis couldn't find anything more than, at most, a one degree increase in temperature over the last century one of the slowest temperature changes in world history. And even that is rubbish. The data behind that conclusion was a series of temperature measurements biased by something called the "urban heat island" effect, in which cities show higher temperatures than the surrounding countrysides (because buildings, pavement, and machinery tend to produce or trap more heat); when adjusting for the over-reading of temperatures in cities, one finds no global increase in temperature at all. This was the primary reason so many scientists have opposed the "global warming" hype.

But then, there's no reason for carbon dioxide to cause "global warming" in the first place. Even if humans could produce enough carbon dioxide to change atmospheric levels (which we don't), that extra carbon dioxide would simply be absorbed by nature. It would fuel a dramatic growth in forests and lush vegetation (which consume carbon dioxide), and would lead to thriving ecosystems while the atmospheric levels would keep returning to normal. So nature wouldn't even allow the possibility of "global warming."

The fact is, scientists still don't understand the processes underlying global temperature shifts upward and downward of several degrees over the course of centuries. Whatever the complex causes, carbon dioxide probably doesn't play a significant role.

Yet environmentalists still try to insist they're seeing rising temperatures that are melting ice in Canada and Greenland, while blatantly ignoring the growing freeze in Antartica, where rising snow levels are burying research stations and their equipment. What's the environmental agenda behind twisting science and frightening the public?

The environmentalist movement was largely created by grants and funding from Fabian Socialists running large tax-exempt foundations such as the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation and its affiliates, the Carnegie Endowment, and so forth. A congressional investigation in the early 1950s discovered that the directors of these foundations are using their funds to support Marxist revolution and propaganda of various types, with the ultimate goal of transforming the United States into a Soviet-style Communist nation. And it was funding from such institutions that created virtually the entire interlocking network of environmentalist groups.

Some of those groups now have open ties to the Communist Bloc, such as Greenpeace, which is supported by Soviet intelligence, is provided Soviet money, and works with Soviet agents in formulating its propaganda (see an article on the subject on our sister site, ATTAC Report, entitled "Greenpeace Wages Redwar"). Greenpeace is interconnected with both the more "moderate" environmentalist groups, such as the Sierra Club, and with openly Marxist, terrorist groups such as Earth First! and the Earth Liberation Front. And many other eco-groups have similar Marxist ties.

The environmentalists are simply using pseudo-science to disguise their Communist goal: to dismantle industrial society step by step, until the increasingly disfunctional economy becomes an easy target for revolution and Socialist destruction.

Relevant Torah Principles:
1) One of the mandates of Jewish Law is to develop the land of Israel, especially in building cities and urban areas. It is forbidden under Jewish Law to dismantle urban development in favor of restoring farmland or wild nature. In general, this development process is part of the Jewish work of "Tikkun HaOlam" ("repairing the world"), which involves correcting the imperfection of nature through human development.

2) Under the Noahide Laws, this isn't just one of the mandates; it's the entire mandate. The core purpose of gentiles in G-d's plan is to develop the world physically by filling it with more population, by transforming the land through construction and development, and by exploiting and harnessing natural resources. The industrial revolution represents a further stage in the human obligation under G-d's Law to develop the world, and is an imminent preparation for the Messianic Era that will be fueled by capital-development ("capitalist") economies that will produce endlessly abundant wealth.

3) This mandate of development isn't a "right"; it's an obligation, a duty under G-d's Law. Consequently, the underlying principles of the Noahide Laws empower gentile governments to enforce this obligation, if necessary. If there are people opting for a return to nature in their own lives, the government may pass laws to discourage this and put pressure on those people to repent and return to their duty of building civilization. If an entire environmentalist movement arises, there is no question the government is positively obligated to outlaw the movement and all of its anti-social activities, with severe penalties if needed, in order to suppress it as a subversive danger to society.

4) In wartime, any movement that seeks to damage the economy and undermine the society isn't just rebelling against the mandate for growth; it's violating the Noahide commandment of upholding justice. It threatens the very stability of the nation itself and undermines the war effort, and thus amounts to treason, which brings death penalty.

Analysis:
We are today at war with international Communism, which already rules over one-third of the world and is bringing the rest of the nations to the brink of chaos and collapse. Their slow attack of internal subversion is weakening all nations in preparation for the more overt attack coming soon.

Environmentalism constitutes one arm of Communist subversion of non-Communist societies (Communist regimes themselves completely ignore environmental issues in their aggressive building of war machines). Thus the environmentalist movement, from the most "respectable" conservationist groups to the most violent eco-radicals, are a treasonous fifth column that threatens our national security and endangers our lives.

Not only must we dismantle existing environmental regulations (especially those meant to reduce carbon dioxide emissions), but the government must take aggressive legal action to suppress the environmentalist movement and its sponsors and affiliates. Communist and Fabian Socialist agents must be rooted out through comprehensive investigations and executed as traitors.

Those subversives will ultimately destroy themselves and kill one another at the end of the third War of Gog and Magog (as foretold in prophecy). But if we fail to act ourselves, our nations will go through a period of terrible crises and economic disasters before it's all over.

Leading organizations involved in climate change research, policy making and education
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) - Climate Change Science
This section of the EPA website offers scientific information and data on climate change in the past and projections for the future. Specific information about the U.S. government's role in conducting and evaluating science as well as EPA's role in these efforts can be found on the Climate Change Science Program and EPA Research and Assessment pages in the Policy section.

NOAA Education - Climate Change and Our Planet
This collection of resources from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) are designed for teachers to use in the classroom or as background reference material.

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was established by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) to provide objective reports on climate change and its potential environmental and socio-economic consequences. Geography has played a central role in the IPCC’s activities. Dr. Thomas Wilbanks, past president of the AAG and recipient of numerous honors in the field of geography, served as lead author of a chapter of the Fourth Assessment Report which was awarded the Nobel Prize in 2007.

National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
NCAR provides the university science and teaching community with the tools, facilities, and support required to perform innovative research. Through NCAR, scientists gain access to high-performance computational and observational facilities, such as supercomputers, aircraft and radar - resources researchers need to improve human understanding of atmospheric and Earth system processes. NCAR also houses the Geographical Information Systems (GIS) Strategic Initiative, an interdisciplinary effort to foster collaborative science, spatial data interoperability, and knowledge sharing with GIS, within the field of atmospheric research.

Center for Remote Sensing of Ice Sheets (CReSIS)
CReSIS was established by the NSF in 2005 and is headquartered at the University of Kansas. The Center uses a variety of geographic tools and technologies (including Geographic Information Systems, Remote Sensing, and spatial statistics) to complement its goal of measuring and predicting the response of sea level change to the mass balance of ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica.

National Climate Data Center (NCDC)
NCDC is the world's largest active archive of weather data. NCDC produces numerous climate publications and responds to data requests from all over the world.

World Meteorological Organization
The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) is a specialized agency of the United Nations. It is the UN system's authoritative voice on the state and behavior of the Earth's atmosphere, its interaction with the oceans, the climate it produces and the resulting distribution of water resources.

United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), Climate Change
The UNEP Climate Change website serves as a gateway to UNEP activities related to adaptation, mitigation, science, and communication/outreach on the effects of climate change, as well as programs to reduce emissions from deforestation and degradation of ecosystems.

United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC)
The UNFCCC supports UN bodies involved in the climate change process. This UNFCCC website contains numerous resources, such as introductory and in-depth publications, the official UNFCCC and Kyoto Protocol texts and a search engine to the UNFCCC library.

Pew Center on Global Climate Change
The Pew Center on Global Climate Change brings together business leaders, policy makers, scientists, and other experts to bring a new approach to a complex and often controversial issue. The Center conducts analyses of key climate issues, works to keep policy makers informed, engages the business community in the search for solutions, and reaches out to educate the key audiences.

Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) of the United Nations – Climate Change
FAO's activities in climate change are spread over all departments and cover all agricultural sectors (i.e. agriculture, livestock, forestry, fisheries) as well as highly cross-sectoral topics (e.g. bioenergy, biodiversity, climate risk management). The Interdepartmental Working Group on Climate Change and the Environment, Climate Change and Bioenergy Division (NRC) play an important role in coordinating these activities.

National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC)
The NSIDC supports research on snow, ice, glaciers, frozen ground, and climate interactions that make up Earth's cryosphere. Dr. Mark Serreze, NSIDC Director, has carried out significant geographic research on climate warning in the Arctic and its implications.

International Geosphere-Biosphere Programme (IGBP)
IGBP is a research programme that studies the phenomenon of Global Change. IGBP provides scientific knowledge to improve the sustainability of the living Earth. IGBP studies the interactions between biological, chemical and physical processes and interactions with human systems and collaborates with other programmes to develop and impart the understanding necessary to respond to global change.

This is the THIRD time you post this consensus fallacy, you don't address the first post at all.

Post one remains unchallenged.

If this is all you have, you are going to be greatly disappointed.....

You don’t understand consensus in science do you ? You’re uninformed. These are institutions. They each represent the work of hundreds of scientist over time. They overwhelm one man’s opinion. Better hope your virus cure is done by consensus science, otherwise, it won’t happen.

Consensus is the language of politics. There is no consensus about what the speed of light is, it is known.

The same goes for plate tectonics and evolution.

So people don’t agree on the speed of light

BS"D

With all the media hype about "global warming," many have become confused not only about the facts, but even what is the real issue. Why has the "global warming" myth been pushed at us so fervently in recent years? Who is behind this deception, and for what purpose? This excerpt from the JAHG-USA Newsletter (see noahide.com/newsletter/news72.htm) explains.

----

Factual Background:
For decades, environmentalists have complained that human activities industrial production, automobiles, etc. produce too much atmospheric pollution. Carbon dioxide, being possibly the largest single "pollutant" from human sources, became a favorate target.

The first problem with attacking carbon dioxide is that it isn't toxic. It's in the air we breathe, and it doesn't cause health problems. And it's produced by natural sources (animals, decaying organic matter, natural forest fires, volcanoes, etc.) far more than by human ones. That made it hard for environmentalists to sell people on the notion that we must dismantle industry in order to cut back carbon dioxide emissions, so they changed tactics.

By the 1980s, environmentalist radicals (including many leftists and Marxists working as "scientific" researchers) were claiming that if carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere were to increase significantly, it would create a "greenhouse effect" in which the air would trap more heat on earth and well, that would be sheer chaos, they say. Vegetation and animals would die off, polar ice caps would melt and the rising oceans would swallow the land, humans would die of famine and disease, and the world would be utterly destroyed. It was like something from a "Twilight Zone" episode (or a Godzilla movie).

More legitimate scientists have pointed out that (1) the earth has seen large, natural variations in overall temperature over the course of centuries, which drastically altered world climates without disaster (the globe has been many degrees warmer in the past), and (2) even if the earth would warm up, that might present benefits rather than destruction.

But all this may be moot, since there's actually no evidence of a "global warming" anyway. Even the leftist radicals who dominate the National Academy of Sciences and who recently declared a "global warming" crisis couldn't find anything more than, at most, a one degree increase in temperature over the last century one of the slowest temperature changes in world history. And even that is rubbish. The data behind that conclusion was a series of temperature measurements biased by something called the "urban heat island" effect, in which cities show higher temperatures than the surrounding countrysides (because buildings, pavement, and machinery tend to produce or trap more heat); when adjusting for the over-reading of temperatures in cities, one finds no global increase in temperature at all. This was the primary reason so many scientists have opposed the "global warming" hype.

But then, there's no reason for carbon dioxide to cause "global warming" in the first place. Even if humans could produce enough carbon dioxide to change atmospheric levels (which we don't), that extra carbon dioxide would simply be absorbed by nature. It would fuel a dramatic growth in forests and lush vegetation (which consume carbon dioxide), and would lead to thriving ecosystems while the atmospheric levels would keep returning to normal. So nature wouldn't even allow the possibility of "global warming."

The fact is, scientists still don't understand the processes underlying global temperature shifts upward and downward of several degrees over the course of centuries. Whatever the complex causes, carbon dioxide probably doesn't play a significant role.

Yet environmentalists still try to insist they're seeing rising temperatures that are melting ice in Canada and Greenland, while blatantly ignoring the growing freeze in Antartica, where rising snow levels are burying research stations and their equipment. What's the environmental agenda behind twisting science and frightening the public?

The environmentalist movement was largely created by grants and funding from Fabian Socialists running large tax-exempt foundations such as the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation and its affiliates, the Carnegie Endowment, and so forth. A congressional investigation in the early 1950s discovered that the directors of these foundations are using their funds to support Marxist revolution and propaganda of various types, with the ultimate goal of transforming the United States into a Soviet-style Communist nation. And it was funding from such institutions that created virtually the entire interlocking network of environmentalist groups.

Some of those groups now have open ties to the Communist Bloc, such as Greenpeace, which is supported by Soviet intelligence, is provided Soviet money, and works with Soviet agents in formulating its propaganda (see an article on the subject on our sister site, ATTAC Report, entitled "Greenpeace Wages Redwar"). Greenpeace is interconnected with both the more "moderate" environmentalist groups, such as the Sierra Club, and with openly Marxist, terrorist groups such as Earth First! and the Earth Liberation Front. And many other eco-groups have similar Marxist ties.

The environmentalists are simply using pseudo-science to disguise their Communist goal: to dismantle industrial society step by step, until the increasingly disfunctional economy becomes an easy target for revolution and Socialist destruction.

Relevant Torah Principles:
1) One of the mandates of Jewish Law is to develop the land of Israel, especially in building cities and urban areas. It is forbidden under Jewish Law to dismantle urban development in favor of restoring farmland or wild nature. In general, this development process is part of the Jewish work of "Tikkun HaOlam" ("repairing the world"), which involves correcting the imperfection of nature through human development.

2) Under the Noahide Laws, this isn't just one of the mandates; it's the entire mandate. The core purpose of gentiles in G-d's plan is to develop the world physically by filling it with more population, by transforming the land through construction and development, and by exploiting and harnessing natural resources. The industrial revolution represents a further stage in the human obligation under G-d's Law to develop the world, and is an imminent preparation for the Messianic Era that will be fueled by capital-development ("capitalist") economies that will produce endlessly abundant wealth.

3) This mandate of development isn't a "right"; it's an obligation, a duty under G-d's Law. Consequently, the underlying principles of the Noahide Laws empower gentile governments to enforce this obligation, if necessary. If there are people opting for a return to nature in their own lives, the government may pass laws to discourage this and put pressure on those people to repent and return to their duty of building civilization. If an entire environmentalist movement arises, there is no question the government is positively obligated to outlaw the movement and all of its anti-social activities, with severe penalties if needed, in order to suppress it as a subversive danger to society.

4) In wartime, any movement that seeks to damage the economy and undermine the society isn't just rebelling against the mandate for growth; it's violating the Noahide commandment of upholding justice. It threatens the very stability of the nation itself and undermines the war effort, and thus amounts to treason, which brings death penalty.

Analysis:
We are today at war with international Communism, which already rules over one-third of the world and is bringing the rest of the nations to the brink of chaos and collapse. Their slow attack of internal subversion is weakening all nations in preparation for the more overt attack coming soon.

Environmentalism constitutes one arm of Communist subversion of non-Communist societies (Communist regimes themselves completely ignore environmental issues in their aggressive building of war machines). Thus the environmentalist movement, from the most "respectable" conservationist groups to the most violent eco-radicals, are a treasonous fifth column that threatens our national security and endangers our lives.

Not only must we dismantle existing environmental regulations (especially those meant to reduce carbon dioxide emissions), but the government must take aggressive legal action to suppress the environmentalist movement and its sponsors and affiliates. Communist and Fabian Socialist agents must be rooted out through comprehensive investigations and executed as traitors.

Those subversives will ultimately destroy themselves and kill one another at the end of the third War of Gog and Magog (as foretold in prophecy). But if we fail to act ourselves, our nations will go through a period of terrible crises and economic disasters before it's all over.

Leading organizations involved in climate change research, policy making and education
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) - Climate Change Science
This section of the EPA website offers scientific information and data on climate change in the past and projections for the future. Specific information about the U.S. government's role in conducting and evaluating science as well as EPA's role in these efforts can be found on the Climate Change Science Program and EPA Research and Assessment pages in the Policy section.

NOAA Education - Climate Change and Our Planet
This collection of resources from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) are designed for teachers to use in the classroom or as background reference material.

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was established by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) to provide objective reports on climate change and its potential environmental and socio-economic consequences. Geography has played a central role in the IPCC’s activities. Dr. Thomas Wilbanks, past president of the AAG and recipient of numerous honors in the field of geography, served as lead author of a chapter of the Fourth Assessment Report which was awarded the Nobel Prize in 2007.

National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
NCAR provides the university science and teaching community with the tools, facilities, and support required to perform innovative research. Through NCAR, scientists gain access to high-performance computational and observational facilities, such as supercomputers, aircraft and radar - resources researchers need to improve human understanding of atmospheric and Earth system processes. NCAR also houses the Geographical Information Systems (GIS) Strategic Initiative, an interdisciplinary effort to foster collaborative science, spatial data interoperability, and knowledge sharing with GIS, within the field of atmospheric research.

Center for Remote Sensing of Ice Sheets (CReSIS)
CReSIS was established by the NSF in 2005 and is headquartered at the University of Kansas. The Center uses a variety of geographic tools and technologies (including Geographic Information Systems, Remote Sensing, and spatial statistics) to complement its goal of measuring and predicting the response of sea level change to the mass balance of ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica.

National Climate Data Center (NCDC)
NCDC is the world's largest active archive of weather data. NCDC produces numerous climate publications and responds to data requests from all over the world.

World Meteorological Organization
The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) is a specialized agency of the United Nations. It is the UN system's authoritative voice on the state and behavior of the Earth's atmosphere, its interaction with the oceans, the climate it produces and the resulting distribution of water resources.

United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), Climate Change
The UNEP Climate Change website serves as a gateway to UNEP activities related to adaptation, mitigation, science, and communication/outreach on the effects of climate change, as well as programs to reduce emissions from deforestation and degradation of ecosystems.

United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC)
The UNFCCC supports UN bodies involved in the climate change process. This UNFCCC website contains numerous resources, such as introductory and in-depth publications, the official UNFCCC and Kyoto Protocol texts and a search engine to the UNFCCC library.

Pew Center on Global Climate Change
The Pew Center on Global Climate Change brings together business leaders, policy makers, scientists, and other experts to bring a new approach to a complex and often controversial issue. The Center conducts analyses of key climate issues, works to keep policy makers informed, engages the business community in the search for solutions, and reaches out to educate the key audiences.

Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) of the United Nations – Climate Change
FAO's activities in climate change are spread over all departments and cover all agricultural sectors (i.e. agriculture, livestock, forestry, fisheries) as well as highly cross-sectoral topics (e.g. bioenergy, biodiversity, climate risk management). The Interdepartmental Working Group on Climate Change and the Environment, Climate Change and Bioenergy Division (NRC) play an important role in coordinating these activities.

National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC)
The NSIDC supports research on snow, ice, glaciers, frozen ground, and climate interactions that make up Earth's cryosphere. Dr. Mark Serreze, NSIDC Director, has carried out significant geographic research on climate warning in the Arctic and its implications.

International Geosphere-Biosphere Programme (IGBP)
IGBP is a research programme that studies the phenomenon of Global Change. IGBP provides scientific knowledge to improve the sustainability of the living Earth. IGBP studies the interactions between biological, chemical and physical processes and interactions with human systems and collaborates with other programmes to develop and impart the understanding necessary to respond to global change.

This is the THIRD time you post this consensus fallacy, you don't address the first post at all.

Post one remains unchallenged.

If this is all you have, you are going to be greatly disappointed.....

You don’t understand consensus in science do you ? You’re uninformed. These are institutions. They each represent the work of hundreds of scientist over time. They overwhelm one man’s opinion. Better hope your virus cure is done by consensus science, otherwise, it won’t happen.

Consensus is the language of politics. There is no consensus about what the speed of light is, it is known.

The same goes for plate tectonics and evolution.

Still wrong. The speed of light is a postulate to the theory of relativity. It’s an agreement ( consensus) in science.
The only thing known in your post is, it’s FOS.

 

[ReinyDays]

You really have things backwards. Look up scientific method. One scientist along with his conclusions has value. Another in agreement adds more value. An institution composed of dozens over time, has more.
Ultimately, if you can get every research facility to independently agree, you have pretty reliable consensus. It dwarfs what any independent scientist does.

I did ... Fncceo is right, without observations it's not science ... without measurements it's not science ... without repeatability it's not science ... concensus is a philosophical position, not a scientific one ... and you seem to be in error as to what the general consensus is, some of these claims you've made do not appear in the scientific literature ... go back to your list of organizations and provide a link to a scientific journal that documents their position ... the NOAA link just takes us to tomorrow's fire weather dangers, that's the same climate for this date ...

It dwarfs what any independent scientist does.

Consider the consensus that was 100% accepted for over 200 years, Newton's Law of Gravity ... just one person upended that completely ... thus proof consensus is unreliable ... further, that which is unreliable is not scientific ... also proof that just one person can be right where everyone else is wrong ... consensus fails science ...

Let's also consider the consensus that sea level rise will be 3 feet or more over the next 100 years ... we can demonstrate this consensus is failing ... "Climate-change–driven accelerated sea-level rise detected in the altimeter era" ... please read the paper, get an idea of how atmospheric scientists communicate with each other ... see how the authors detail how they handled the known errors, and what they did to handle unknown errors ... their conclusion of 84 (±25) µm/yr/yr puts sea level rise at 2 feet in 100 years ... ha ha ha ... anyone who has said anymore did so without one grain of data ...

You're just aping what you hear on TV ... obviously, see how quick you were to accuse us of such ... "It's the thief who points out and yells 'Thief' first" ... but go ahead and provide us with a credible citation to your claims, something from the scientific literature, and read the citation first yourself and make sure it doesn't support our position and disputes yours ...

Feel free to answer my post #28 ... I'm just itching to hear your answer ...

 

[Dagosa]

concensus is a philosophical position, n

So, you disagree with 3400 universities. Funny, since they all are in general agreement on a host of topics from AGW to the theory of evolution. Consensus is nothing more then general agreement.....so only politicians can agree and not scientists ?

 

[Sunsettommy]

Dagosa will have to ignore this documented consensus failure over Ulcers:

Delayed Gratification: Why it Took Everybody So Long to Acknowledge that Bacteria Cause Ulcers

February 9, 2005
Author: Tanenbaum Jessica
Institution: History of Science/Medicine

Excerpt:

In 1983, Australian doctors J. Robin Warren and Barry Marshall isolated Helicobacter pylori, the bacterial cause of peptic ulcer disease (P.U.D.). However, decades passed before most doctors prescribed antibiotics to their afflicted patients. Why didn't the medical community hit itself on its collective head? After all, most bacterial diseases had been discovered a century before during Robert Koch's golden age of bacteriology. Why didn't doctors laud Warren and Marshall for their findings? Why didn't long-term ulcer-sufferers champion Warren and Marshall's discovery that with a standard course of oral antibiotics, patients no longer have to swig antacid, feel guilty for leading a stressful life, or massage their stomachs through their coats to distract from their ulcers' gnawing pain. Understanding these questions reveals how complex scientific processes mold contemporary medical discoveries and their reception.
A BRIEF HISTORY OF ULCER TREATMENT

LINK

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Now watch this ignorant fool flail all over it......