Zone1 The Immaculate Conception is a sin

[BreezeWood]

Jesus isn't the Immaculate Conception.. Mary is ..

Original sin is the tendency to sin innate in all human beings,

well said!

oh,

how can that be, jesus when born fought the tendency to then never sin for their duration ... what would that mean for mary, simply without the tendency - so jesus was indeed the stronger of the two ...

neither is the end path for admission, that is to triumph over evil not the same in comparison. what was the meaning of the 1st century events and those that gave their lives in repudiation of judaism. their false commandments.

 

[surada]

oh,

how can that be, jesus when born fought the tendency to then never sin for their duration ... what would that mean for mary, simply without the tendency - so jesus was indeed the stronger of the two ...

neither is the end path for admission, that is to triumph over evil not the same in comparison. what was the meaning of the 1st century events and those that gave their lives in repudiation of judaism. their false commandments.

I didn't post that to argue with you . Just to explain what it is. Mormons, Jews and Muslims don't believe in original sin.

 

[BreezeWood]

I didn't post that to argue with you . Just to explain what it is. Mormons, Jews and Muslims don't believe in original sin.

sure ...

held to be inherited from Adam in consequence of the Fall.

Mary was conceived without the sin of Adam and Eve.

not very clear - is the above an explanation or by chance, if willing - your belief.

 

[Cougarbear]

You still don't know what original sin is. Jews don't believe in it at all... Nor do Muslims.

Nor do most Christians. Just Catholic nonsense.

 

[onefour1]

The original sin was the transgression of Adam and Eve to partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The two of them were immortal before partaking of the fruit but afterwards they became mortal. Thus they were subject unto death. They also gained a knowledge of good and evil from that time forth. Prior to partaking of the fruit, Adam and Eve were in a state of innocence not knowing good from evil.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints holds to the following Article of Faith:

2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

We believe that Jesus Christ atoned for original sin. Thus none of us who are born on this earth will be punished for Adam's transgression. This means that even though we are born as mortals, all mankind, whether good or evil will participate in the resurrection of the dead. Thus there will be a resurrection of both the just and the unjust.

Acts 24:15
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

John 5:29
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

This also means that we are not held accountable for Adam and Eve's transgression or any other person's sins but only for our own sins.

Moses 6:54
54 Hence came the saying abroad among the people, that the Son of God hath atoned for original guilt, wherein the sins of the parents cannot be answered upon the heads of the children, for they are whole from the foundation of the world.

Because of the atonement of Jesus Christ, little children are alive in Christ and cannot sin until they reach the age of accountability.

 

[Meriweather]

Nor do most Christians. Just Catholic nonsense.

What Paul understood and what non-Catholic Christians seem to choose to either forget or ignore is that the sin of Adam caused changes to the human condition. Mankind was no inherited sanctifying grace upon birth, and from this lack, death entered into the world. This was a state/sin contracted by the actions of the first of mankind was then passed on to all of mankind, much like our DNA.

This lack of sanctifying grace defines the need of a redeemer/savior. By one man sin and death entered the world, by one man so does redemption and salvation via sanctifying grace.

Denying the reality of the Fall of Man, Original Sin, or whatever one chooses to call it that was passed on/contracted by all mankind, one denies the need of God's sanctifying grace and a Savior. Paul notes that all have sinned (all have contracted that first sin), because it is doubtful Paul thought newborns and small children were committing personal sin.

 

[Cougarbear]

What Paul understood and what non-Catholic Christians seem to choose to either forget or ignore is that the sin of Adam caused changes to the human condition. Mankind was no inherited sanctifying grace upon birth, and from this lack, death entered into the world. This was a state/sin contracted by the actions of the first of mankind was then passed on to all of mankind, much like our DNA.

This lack of sanctifying grace defines the need of a redeemer/savior. By one man sin and death entered the world, by one man so does redemption and salvation via sanctifying grace.

Denying the reality of the Fall of Man, Original Sin, or whatever one chooses to call it that was passed on/contracted by all mankind, one denies the need of God's sanctifying grace and a Savior. Paul notes that all have sinned (all have contracted that first sin), because it is doubtful Paul thought newborns and small children were committing personal sin.

Not sure what you are trying to convey. But from what you painted I would conclude this:
1. Mary was not a part of any immaculate inception.
2. The practice if baptism of babies and small children is wicked.

 

[BreezeWood]

2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

We believe that Jesus Christ atoned for original sin. Thus none of us who are born on this earth will be punished for Adam's transgression.

jesus and those who died for their beliefs in the 1st century did so in lite of the - repudiation of judaism and the false commandments of servitude and denial ...

as with adam and eve who sought their own self determination for their deserved presence in the heavens than given them without their knowledge to earn for themselves.

life does not begin nor was there ever a sin committed than by a perpetrator baring no consequence for anyone than for themselves and has nothing to do with life in the garden of eden.

 

[surada]

sure ...




not very clear - is the above an explanation or by chance, if willing - your belief.

I don't believe in original sin.

 

[surada]

The original sin was the transgression of Adam and Eve to partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The two of them were immortal before partaking of the fruit but afterwards they became mortal. Thus they were subject unto death. They also gained a knowledge of good and evil from that time forth. Prior to partaking of the fruit, Adam and Eve were in a state of innocence not knowing good from evil.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints holds to the following Article of Faith:

2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

We believe that Jesus Christ atoned for original sin. Thus none of us who are born on this earth will be punished for Adam's transgression. This means that even though we are born as mortals, all mankind, whether good or evil will participate in the resurrection of the dead. Thus there will be a resurrection of both the just and the unjust.

Acts 24:15
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

John 5:29
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

This also means that we are not held accountable for Adam and Eve's transgression or any other person's sins but only for our own sins.

Moses 6:54
54 Hence came the saying abroad among the people, that the Son of God hath atoned for original guilt, wherein the sins of the parents cannot be answered upon the heads of the children, for they are whole from the foundation of the world.

Because of the atonement of Jesus Christ, little children are alive in Christ and cannot sin until they reach the age of accountability.

"We believe that Jesus Christ atoned for original sin."

So you actually do believe in original sin.

 

[BreezeWood]

What Paul understood and what non-Catholic Christians seem to choose to either forget or ignore is that the sin of Adam caused changes to the human condition ... ... Denying the reality of the Fall of Man, Original Sin, or whatever one chooses to call it that was passed on/contracted by all mankind, one denies the need of God's sanctifying grace and a Savior.

who's paul ... there is nothing a savior can save from that does not exist. than the jewish crimes committed after eden. if that be so for them.

one person 4000 years ago, moses claims the quest of humanity stems from a sin - and somehow they are the one person the desert chooses to believe ...

and they murder jesus who claims otherwise and all others who venture the truth for humanities destiny for its own value and self determination - as the heavens undoubtedly would see fit.

 

[onefour1]

"We believe that Jesus Christ atoned for original sin."

So you actually do believe in original sin.

Yes, the fall of man came upon them through the transgression of God's command to not partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

 

[surada]

Yes, the fall of man came upon them through the transgression of God's command to not partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Clearly Mormons do believe in original sin.

 

[onefour1]

Clearly Mormons do believe in original sin.

What we don't believe is that man will be judged personally for original sin because Christ has atoned for original sin. Thus all mankind will be redeemed from death which is one of the effects of the fall and be resurrected. Also children are not held accountable for original sin and thus cannot sin until the reach the age of accountability. So, although we are subject to the fall as mortals, Jesus will redeem us all through resurrection so that we never die again and we are not accountable for the fall of Adam and Eve in the judgement!

 

[Cougarbear]

jesus and those who died for their beliefs in the 1st century did so in lite of the - repudiation of judaism and the false commandments of servitude and denial ...

as with adam and eve who sought their own self determination for their deserved presence in the heavens than given them without their knowledge to earn for themselves.

life does not begin nor was there ever a sin committed than by a perpetrator baring no consequence for anyone than for themselves and has nothing to do with life in the garden of eden.

Were you there? See, Moses was given a vision of what happened. It’s been watered down a bit by forgetful people. But, it’s still mostly accurate by way of present day prophets. This confusion with people is why prophets of God are needed in these last days. Also why a second witness to the Bible is needed to support the Bible. Thais The Book of Mormon, another witness of Jesus Christ.

 

[The Duke]

were that so what then would be the ethnicity and genealogy shown by the dna testing clinic for jesus.

- could it be that's why there is no likeness found for jesus who he really was.

They got Jesus' blood samples. The Jews do. It was awhile back, but not super long ago.

Whatcha gonna do? It was on/in their land.

 

[Cougarbear]

They got Jesus' blood samples. The Jews do. It was awhile back, but not super long ago.

Whatcha gonna do? It was on/in their land.

Blood samples from where? Please show references when making idiotic statements. There are no blood samples of Jesus.

 

[The Duke]

Blood samples from where? Please show references when making idiotic statements. There are no blood samples of Jesus.

From the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant. That's why the Roman Soldier pierced Jesus' side and the ground cracked open

immediately thereafter.

Because the Lord's faithful had been instructed specifically to stick that ark directly under where Jesus was crucified 400 years

prior to him being crucified. Oh yeah! And then God cracked the ground open just as that happened.

It was so The Lamb of God's blood could hit the mercy seat (last altar of sacrifice) and complete God's sacrifice to man.

 

[surada]

From the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant. That's why the Roman Soldier pierced Jesus' side and the ground cracked open

immediately thereafter.

Because the Lord's faithful had been instructed specifically to stick that ark directly under where Jesus was crucified 400 years

prior to him being crucified. Oh yeah! And then God cracked the ground open just as that happened.

It was so The Lamb of God's blood could hit the mercy seat (last altar of sacrifice) and complete God's sacrifice to man.

Lol you set that up.

 

[Meriweather]

Not sure what you are trying to convey. But from what you painted I would conclude this:
1. Mary was not a part of any immaculate inception.
2. The practice if baptism of babies and small children is wicked.

As you said at the beginning...you have no understanding. Not of Baptism, not of sanctifying grace, nor of the power of God to carry through with His own plans.

Look, I get it. Your foremost focus is that the Catholic faith has to be wrong--and you spend more time trying to convince yourself of this than you do in practicing and explaining your own faith. From what I can tell, your only faith is your drive to disclaim Catholicism--and you know little--if anything--about it.