The idea that the rich owe the government is backwards

[miami_thomas]

Leave to where? Europe is full of socialists who love to redistribute wealth...remember? so surely they wouldn't go there. Asia? perhaps...maybe not most Asian countries are either communistic or Islamic. There is India.

We hear about how horrible the rest of the world is and that we should not do things the way the rest of the world does them. Now you tell me they are leaving the US. I thought the US was the number one country in the world? Sorry but I got to call Bull shit on that one.

You have heard that other countries are actually freer than we are now. It is not that they have become freer rather that we have become less free.

 

[miami_thomas]

I think this should be the apex of the Republican platform in 2012: The Problem with this country is that the government owes the rich people!

That's a sure winner.

Of course it is not a winner as most people listen to the liberals and agree because it does not affect them. Just like in Detroit, California, Illinois, etc... But the politicians have to be realist and now that such a policy will only destroy Amercia as we know it. Of course there are many that would like for that to happen. Like the democrat Diane Watson praising Castro for kicking the rich out of Cuba.

Michelle Malkin » Race-baiter Democrat Rep. Diane Watson praises Cuban health system, Castro & Guevara who “kicked out the wealthy”

 

[spectrumc01]

Leave to where? Europe is full of socialists who love to redistribute wealth...remember? so surely they wouldn't go there. Asia? perhaps...maybe not most Asian countries are either communistic or Islamic. There is India.

We hear about how horrible the rest of the world is and that we should not do things the way the rest of the world does them. Now you tell me they are leaving the US. I thought the US was the number one country in the world? Sorry but I got to call Bull shit on that one.

You have heard that other countries are actually freer than we are now. It is not that they have become freer rather that we have become less free.

come on, name them. Where are they going? and what countries are freer? I'd do the research myself but you have already done it obviously, so name them.

 

[miami_thomas]

Leave to where? Europe is full of socialists who love to redistribute wealth...remember? so surely they wouldn't go there. Asia? perhaps...maybe not most Asian countries are either communistic or Islamic. There is India.

We hear about how horrible the rest of the world is and that we should not do things the way the rest of the world does them. Now you tell me they are leaving the US. I thought the US was the number one country in the world? Sorry but I got to call Bull shit on that one.

You have heard that other countries are actually freer than we are now. It is not that they have become freer rather that we have become less free.

come on, name them. Where are they going? and what countries are freer? I'd do the research myself but you have already done it obviously, so name them.

Here you go
More Rich Americans Renounce U.S. Citizenship for Lower Taxes - DailyFinance

 

[miami_thomas]

Country rankings for trade, business, fiscal, monetary, financial, labor and investment freedoms

 

[editec]

We all owe a debt for civilization

REally? Then we only really need 1% of the population? Wow! who knew?

The wealthy won't leave until they have with the help of the government they own, extracted every cent out of this economy.

Their MONEY however, will find other places to settle while this bankrupting of the national economy is happening.

Sure we all owe a debt for civilization but why do the rich owe a higher percentage than the rest of us.

Pretty simple really. They're the people with enough money TO PAY the bills. But as a percentage of their incomes, I doubt many billionaires pay the same overall rate of taxation as even I do. Note I said overall taxes? That's because much of taxation isn't federal but rather state and local, but those taxes are no less necessary for this society to function that FEDERAL taxes, so when we dicuss taxation, we need to include those in our computations.

Plus the government is not civilization and it doesn't exactly make good decisions with the money.

Not it is not civilization, but it is a part of civilization. If you doubt that imagine what things would look like without any government.

I'm stating that we need the money from the 1% in order to maintain our lifestyle. If they leave 70% of our tax revenue leaves with them. I would say that would be pretty catastrophic of course the liberals would like that because then the government can run everything. But instead of there being some poor and some middle class then there will be the rich (government) and the poor (citizens/serfdom)

I cannot understand the above so I cannot respond to it.

So the us raising their taxes even more will help convince them to stay or to try to get as much of their money as possible before they can escape?

I don't propose raising taxes right now so asking me to defend that POV is a waste of your time.

 

[miami_thomas]

Pretty simple really. They're the people with enough money TO PAY the bills. But as a percentage of their incomes, I doubt many billionaires pay the same overall rate of taxation as even I do. Note I said overall taxes? That's because much of taxation isn't federal but rather state and local, but those taxes are no less necessary for this society to function that FEDERAL taxes, so when we dicuss taxation, we need to include those in our computations.

I can guarantee you as percentage of income they do pay more than you. They also pay state and city taxes as well. Maybe as percentage of wealth no but of income yes.

 

[miami_thomas]

Not it is not civilization, but it is a part of civilization. If you doubt that imagine what things would look like without any government.

i never said there should be no government as I have already said previously in this thread. Government should be small compared to the private sector though. It should be no larger than 10%.

 

[miami_thomas]

come on, name them. Where are they going? and what countries are freer? I'd do the research myself but you have already done it obviously, so name them.

Link above names them for you.

 

[Dragon]

Country rankings for trade, business, fiscal, monetary, financial, labor and investment freedoms

I don't even have to go to the link; I can see by the categories what the bias is.

The word "freedom" by itself in a vacuum is meaningless. One must always ask: Who's freedom to do what?

In this case, what is being measured is the freedom of the rich, powerful, and privileged to oppress, which for the average person results in LESS freedom, not more.

 

[miami_thomas]

I don't even have to go to the link; I can see by the categories what the bias is.

The word "freedom" by itself in a vacuum is meaningless. One must always ask: Who's freedom to do what?

In this case, what is being measured is the freedom of the rich, powerful, and privileged to oppress, which for the average person results in LESS freedom, not more.

So you are saying we have other freedoms like placing Christian items in your yard without persecution? You mean the freedom of someone being able to wear a cross visibly at school? You speak of the wonderful freedoms of having the ability to put the bible on a desk at work? Having the freedom to say prayer in school with your friends? Are these the freedoms you say we still have?

How about the freedom to use salt in the kitchen of a restaurant and being able to have a drive threw window in your restaurant? You speak of an individual’s freedom to fly an American flag in their front yard? Are these the freedoms of which you speak? How about the freedom of deciding what morals your child is taught in school? Or the freedom of the time tested child’s lemonade stand? What about the freedom for an individual to smoke a cigarette outside or in his/her condo?

Yes we certainly are on the uptick of freedom. We should probably slow down all these new freedoms before we become free enough to make our own decisions.

 

[Dragon]

So you are saying we have other freedoms like placing Christian items in your yard without persecution? You mean the freedom of someone being able to wear a cross visibly at school? You speak of the wonderful freedoms of having the ability to put the bible on a desk at work? Having the freedom to say prayer in school with your friends? Are these the freedoms you say we still have?

Yes, we do.

How about the freedom to use salt in the kitchen of a restaurant and being able to have a drive threw window in your restaurant?

Got those here.

You speak of an individual’s freedom to fly an American flag in their front yard? Are these the freedoms of which you speak?

Yep, that's the case.

How about the freedom of deciding what morals your child is taught in school?

No, and that's not one you're entitled to. It's your responsibility as a parent to provide for your child's moral education. You have no right to have the school do it for you, especially when your personal morality is idiosyncratic and some other parent might be offended at having YOUR morality taught to THEIR children.

Or the freedom of the time tested child’s lemonade stand? What about the freedom for an individual to smoke a cigarette outside or in his/her condo?

Still exists, both of them.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

How about the freedom of deciding what morals your child is taught in school?

No, and that's not one you're entitled to.

How do you figure?

 

[Dragon]

How about the freedom of deciding what morals your child is taught in school?

No, and that's not one you're entitled to.

How do you figure?

"No, and that's not one you're entitled to. It's your responsibility as a parent to provide for your child's moral education. You have no right to have the school do it for you, especially when your personal morality is idiosyncratic and some other parent might be offended at having YOUR morality taught to THEIR children."

I may have edited my post after you responded.

 

[miami_thomas]

You are joking right or do live in a box? Maybe you only watch MSNBC so you don't here about anything that makes liberals look bad?