The Humanitarian Gaza Flotillas Saga

[Roudy]

Hamas was "voted for" fraudulently, and hasn't held elections once it came to power.

Gee, how unusual.

 

[Roudy]

Hamas was elected democratically because the PLO was considered corrupt.

And Hamas are angels walking around with halos on their heads, that's why they are designated as a terrorist organization by the U.S. And the West.

In Palestine, where Hamas was elected, Hamas is a constitutionally protected political party.

They are only terrorists to Israel and their name calling lackeys in the west.

Hamas is "only" a political party? Do you see Republicans in the U.S. shooting rockets? Democrats building tunnels?

There is no difference between Hamas and ISIS. Other than the territory they control.

 

[Kondor3]

Hamas was elected democratically because the PLO was considered corrupt.

Of course.

Consequently, the Gazans democratically chose War rather than Peace.

No problem.

Happy to oblige.

 

[Billo_Really]

It wasnt ALL off topic. Some good themes were there. I just cant get all irate about inspecting incoming cargo to a government run by Iranian proxy terrorists. If it was any other tiny sliver of humanity, there would be a full out embargo in place.

When that government put up street lights on a Gazan street and the IDF comes in later and shoots out all the lamps at the top, who's the terrorist then?

Having a responsible government that WANTS ports and sovereign unfettered commerce would solve the problem.. Electing Hamas and destroying the democratic process is a bad move IF you value ports and commerce. Its really that simple. Give Billo an hour to sober up --- or maybe not -- before the thread is at warp speed again..

Hamas is a responsible government. The only reason they're the bad guy, is because they won't kiss Israel's ass.

 

[Billo_Really]

There is no difference between Hamas and ISIS. Other than the territory they control.

You might be right. At one time, they were both funded by Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

It wasnt ALL off topic. Some good themes were there. I just cant get all irate about inspecting incoming cargo to a government run by Iranian proxy terrorists. If it was any other tiny sliver of humanity, there would be a full out embargo in place.

When that government put up street lights on a Gazan street and the IDF comes in later and shoots out all the lamps at the top, who's the terrorist then?

Having a responsible government that WANTS ports and sovereign unfettered commerce would solve the problem.. Electing Hamas and destroying the democratic process is a bad move IF you value ports and commerce. Its really that simple. Give Billo an hour to sober up --- or maybe not -- before the thread is at warp speed again..

Hamas is a responsible government. The only reason they're the bad guy, is because they won't kiss Israel's ass.

The terrorists are the ones mining schools with H.E firing illegal rockest and forcing families to stay in their homes to act as human shields.

Is that why so many nations have said that they are terrorists and the ICC/ICJ have stated they committed war crimes last summer. Hardly a responsible government unless you are a Nazi Jew Hater

 

[SAYIT]

Hamas was elected democratically because the PLO was considered corrupt.

And Hamas are angels walking around with halos on their heads, that's why they are designated as a terrorist organization by the U.S. And the West.

In Palestine, where Hamas was elected, Hamas is a constitutionally protected political party.

They are only terrorists to Israel and their name calling lackeys in the west.

It is the armed wing of Hamas and the rabid splinter groups who have rendered Gaza's "duly-elected" gov't terroristic.

 

[SAYIT]

There is no difference between Hamas and ISIS. Other than the territory they control.

You might be right. At one time, they were both funded by Israel.

Silly camel crap.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Hamas was elected democratically because the PLO was considered corrupt.

And Hamas are angels walking around with halos on their heads, that's why they are designated as a terrorist organization by the U.S. And the West.

In Palestine, where Hamas was elected, Hamas is a constitutionally protected political party.

They are only terrorists to Israel and their name calling lackeys in the west.

It is the armed wing of Hamas and the rabid splinter groups who have rendered Gaza's "duly-elected" gov't terroristic.

And besides, it's been almost a decade since Hamas was"duly elected". Time for new elections anyway.

 

[Daniyel]

It wasnt ALL off topic. Some good themes were there. I just cant get all irate about inspecting incoming cargo to a government run by Iranian proxy terrorists. If it was any other tiny sliver of humanity, there would be a full out embargo in place.

When that government put up street lights on a Gazan street and the IDF comes in later and shoots out all the lamps at the top, who's the terrorist then?

This is why you can't be president, your observation is shallowed.
First let's agree to disagree that a loss of lamps in evacuated Gazan street is not important as 18-21 years old soldiers about to get ambushed by a hostile government lurking inside hospitals and medical clinics...So let's move on to the opening part in your post where you talk about the source of the electricity, maintenance, and infrastructure.. Hamas?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, ForeverYoung436, et al,

Yes, the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) is a both an Islamic Organization by Charter, and a Political Party (headed by: Khaled Meshal, Chairman, Politburo of the Islamic Resistance Movement) and the hub of a larger terrorist organization that uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims; the removal of the State of Israel. HAMAS is political, but we cannot forget that it has its own paramilitary wing called the Izz al Din Qassam Brigades (AQB) that is directed, funded and equipped by HAMAS; which has been responsible for most of the violence directed towards Israel.

Hamas is "only" a political party? Do you see Republicans in the U.S. shooting rockets? Democrats building tunnels?

In Palestine, where Hamas was elected, Hamas is a constitutionally protected political party.

They are only terrorists to Israel and their name calling lackeys in the west.

(KEY COMPONENTS)

First, the January 2006 Palestinian Parliamentary Elections, that brought HAMAS to the forefront, is now well over eight (8) years old. Whatever mandate the elections gave HAMAS eight years ago, has long since expired. The Palestinian Government has not been able to make a smooth Constitutional transition of government since the Constitution was written over a decade ago. Since the 1993 Oslo Accords, which created the Palestinian National Authority (PNA), the PNA acted as the interim administrative body established to administer the governmental institutions necessary for the West Bank. In 2012, the PNA essentially became the government for the State of Palestine when the UN decided to "accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations, without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people," (A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012).

The trouble here is that HAMAS (a Palestinian Islamic organization) has rejected two key elements that have survived for three decades in Palestine:

• HAMAS rejects the PLO (secular) as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinians,
  • Seventh Arab League Summit Conference Resolution on Palestine Rabat, Morocco 28 October 1974
  • Having heard the statement of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the representative of the Palestinian people, A/RES/3236 (XXIX) 22 November 1974
  • ANNEX II Political Communiqué and ANNEX III Palestinian Declaration of Independence
• HAMAS rejects the Oslo Accords.
  • Oslo I Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements
  • Oslo II Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip

HAMAS has a mantra ---- besides that of Jihad ---- in both the Covenant and its official Political Position:

• No recognition of the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation
• No recognition of "Israel"
  • Israel-PLO Recognition: Exchange of Letters between PM Rabin and Chairman Arafat - In connection with the Oslo Accords
• No legitimacy of Israel's presence in any part of Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south
  • A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949 UN Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations

HAMAS is becoming a regional threat. In addition to HAMAS insisting it is Entitled To Attack Israel's Embassies, Interests, And Officials Worldwide – It also claims it has the right to attack The Interests Of Israel's Allies; as well as the US.

(COMMENT)

HAMAS is not just a political party. It is a regional danger; not just by itself --- but by the bad pennies it attracts. HAMAS and the Gaza Strip have developed an attraction for DAESH (Islamic State or Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) that is attempting to establish itself on the Egyptian/Sinai Border region of the Gaza Strip and Israel.

It is rumored that a video, produced DAESH in the last week of June, is now making the rounds in the region. It is directed at the Palestinians (HAMAS and Fatah). The DAESH Jihadist accuses HAMAS of being soft in enforcing religious law in the Palestinian enclave it controls.

“We will uproot the state of the Jews [Israel] and you [Hamas] and Fatah [in the West Bank], and all of the secularists are nothing and you will be overrun by our creeping multitudes,” a masked Islamic State member said in the recorded message addressed to the “tyrants of Hamas.”

“The rule of Sharia [Islamic law] will be implemented in Gaza, in spite of you. We swear that what is happening in the Levant today, and in particular the Yarmouk camp [in Syria], will happen in Gaza,” he said, in reference to the besieged Palestinian refugee camp near Damascus.
SOURCE: Islamic State militant was booted from Hamas
SOURCE: Daesh threatens to overthrow Hamas in Gaza
SOURCE: ISIS Threatens To Topple Hamas In Gaza
​

HAMAS and Fatah may have more to worry about then its feud with Israel. If DAESH gets a firm foothold in the Gaza Strip from the Sinai --- it will probably cause Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt to get involved; inadvertently expanding the conflict.

YES, HAMAS is much much more than just an irritant politically.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hamas was elected democratically because the PLO was considered corrupt.

And Hamas are angels walking around with halos on their heads, that's why they are designated as a terrorist organization by the U.S. And the West.

In Palestine, where Hamas was elected, Hamas is a constitutionally protected political party.

They are only terrorists to Israel and their name calling lackeys in the west.

It is the armed wing of Hamas and the rabid splinter groups who have rendered Gaza's "duly-elected" gov't terroristic.

And besides, it's been almost a decade since Hamas was"duly elected". Time for new elections anyway.

It is. Too bad that Abbas will not let that happen.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, ForeverYoung436, et al,

Yes, the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) is a both an Islamic Organization by Charter, and a Political Party (headed by: Khaled Meshal, Chairman, Politburo of the Islamic Resistance Movement) and the hub of a larger terrorist organization that uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims; the removal of the State of Israel. HAMAS is political, but we cannot forget that it has its own paramilitary wing called the Izz al Din Qassam Brigades (AQB) that is directed, funded and equipped by HAMAS; which has been responsible for most of the violence directed towards Israel.

Hamas is "only" a political party? Do you see Republicans in the U.S. shooting rockets? Democrats building tunnels?

In Palestine, where Hamas was elected, Hamas is a constitutionally protected political party.

They are only terrorists to Israel and their name calling lackeys in the west.

(KEY COMPONENTS)

First, the January 2006 Palestinian Parliamentary Elections, that brought HAMAS to the forefront, is now well over eight (8) years old. Whatever mandate the elections gave HAMAS eight years ago, has long since expired. The Palestinian Government has not been able to make a smooth Constitutional transition of government since the Constitution was written over a decade ago. Since the 1993 Oslo Accords, which created the Palestinian National Authority (PNA), the PNA acted as the interim administrative body established to administer the governmental institutions necessary for the West Bank. In 2012, the PNA essentially became the government for the State of Palestine when the UN decided to "accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations, without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people," (A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012).

The trouble here is that HAMAS (a Palestinian Islamic organization) has rejected two key elements that have survived for three decades in Palestine:

• HAMAS rejects the PLO (secular) as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinians,
  • Seventh Arab League Summit Conference Resolution on Palestine Rabat, Morocco 28 October 1974
  • Having heard the statement of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the representative of the Palestinian people, A/RES/3236 (XXIX) 22 November 1974
  • ANNEX II Political Communiqué and ANNEX III Palestinian Declaration of Independence
• HAMAS rejects the Oslo Accords.
  • Oslo I Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements
  • Oslo II Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip

HAMAS has a mantra ---- besides that of Jihad ---- in both the Covenant and its official Political Position:

• No recognition of the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation
• No recognition of "Israel"
  • Israel-PLO Recognition: Exchange of Letters between PM Rabin and Chairman Arafat - In connection with the Oslo Accords
• No legitimacy of Israel's presence in any part of Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south
  • A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949 UN Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations

HAMAS is becoming a regional threat. In addition to HAMAS insisting it is Entitled To Attack Israel's Embassies, Interests, And Officials Worldwide – It also claims it has the right to attack The Interests Of Israel's Allies; as well as the US.

(COMMENT)

HAMAS is not just a political party. It is a regional danger; not just by itself --- but by the bad pennies it attracts. HAMAS and the Gaza Strip have developed an attraction for DAESH (Islamic State or Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) that is attempting to establish itself on the Egyptian/Sinai Border region of the Gaza Strip and Israel.

It is rumored that a video, produced DAESH in the last week of June, is now making the rounds in the region. It is directed at the Palestinians (HAMAS and Fatah). The DAESH Jihadist accuses HAMAS of being soft in enforcing religious law in the Palestinian enclave it controls.

“We will uproot the state of the Jews [Israel] and you [Hamas] and Fatah [in the West Bank], and all of the secularists are nothing and you will be overrun by our creeping multitudes,” a masked Islamic State member said in the recorded message addressed to the “tyrants of Hamas.”

“The rule of Sharia [Islamic law] will be implemented in Gaza, in spite of you. We swear that what is happening in the Levant today, and in particular the Yarmouk camp [in Syria], will happen in Gaza,” he said, in reference to the besieged Palestinian refugee camp near Damascus.
SOURCE: Islamic State militant was booted from Hamas
SOURCE: Daesh threatens to overthrow Hamas in Gaza
SOURCE: ISIS Threatens To Topple Hamas In Gaza
​

HAMAS and Fatah may have more to worry about then its feud with Israel. If DAESH gets a firm foothold in the Gaza Strip from the Sinai --- it will probably cause Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt to get involved; inadvertently expanding the conflict.

YES, HAMAS is much much more than just an irritant politically.

Most Respectfully,
R

Hamas is not corrupt. It will defend its people. It will not give away the store.

You can't say any of that about Fatah.

 

[Daniyel]

P F Tinmore, ForeverYoung436, et al,

Yes, the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) is a both an Islamic Organization by Charter, and a Political Party (headed by: Khaled Meshal, Chairman, Politburo of the Islamic Resistance Movement) and the hub of a larger terrorist organization that uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims; the removal of the State of Israel. HAMAS is political, but we cannot forget that it has its own paramilitary wing called the Izz al Din Qassam Brigades (AQB) that is directed, funded and equipped by HAMAS; which has been responsible for most of the violence directed towards Israel.

Hamas is "only" a political party? Do you see Republicans in the U.S. shooting rockets? Democrats building tunnels?

In Palestine, where Hamas was elected, Hamas is a constitutionally protected political party.

They are only terrorists to Israel and their name calling lackeys in the west.

(KEY COMPONENTS)

First, the January 2006 Palestinian Parliamentary Elections, that brought HAMAS to the forefront, is now well over eight (8) years old. Whatever mandate the elections gave HAMAS eight years ago, has long since expired. The Palestinian Government has not been able to make a smooth Constitutional transition of government since the Constitution was written over a decade ago. Since the 1993 Oslo Accords, which created the Palestinian National Authority (PNA), the PNA acted as the interim administrative body established to administer the governmental institutions necessary for the West Bank. In 2012, the PNA essentially became the government for the State of Palestine when the UN decided to "accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations, without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people," (A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012).

The trouble here is that HAMAS (a Palestinian Islamic organization) has rejected two key elements that have survived for three decades in Palestine:

• HAMAS rejects the PLO (secular) as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinians,
  • Seventh Arab League Summit Conference Resolution on Palestine Rabat, Morocco 28 October 1974
  • Having heard the statement of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the representative of the Palestinian people, A/RES/3236 (XXIX) 22 November 1974
  • ANNEX II Political Communiqué and ANNEX III Palestinian Declaration of Independence
• HAMAS rejects the Oslo Accords.
  • Oslo I Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements
  • Oslo II Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip

HAMAS has a mantra ---- besides that of Jihad ---- in both the Covenant and its official Political Position:

• No recognition of the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation
• No recognition of "Israel"
  • Israel-PLO Recognition: Exchange of Letters between PM Rabin and Chairman Arafat - In connection with the Oslo Accords
• No legitimacy of Israel's presence in any part of Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south
  • A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949 UN Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations

HAMAS is becoming a regional threat. In addition to HAMAS insisting it is Entitled To Attack Israel's Embassies, Interests, And Officials Worldwide – It also claims it has the right to attack The Interests Of Israel's Allies; as well as the US.

(COMMENT)

HAMAS is not just a political party. It is a regional danger; not just by itself --- but by the bad pennies it attracts. HAMAS and the Gaza Strip have developed an attraction for DAESH (Islamic State or Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) that is attempting to establish itself on the Egyptian/Sinai Border region of the Gaza Strip and Israel.

It is rumored that a video, produced DAESH in the last week of June, is now making the rounds in the region. It is directed at the Palestinians (HAMAS and Fatah). The DAESH Jihadist accuses HAMAS of being soft in enforcing religious law in the Palestinian enclave it controls.

“We will uproot the state of the Jews [Israel] and you [Hamas] and Fatah [in the West Bank], and all of the secularists are nothing and you will be overrun by our creeping multitudes,” a masked Islamic State member said in the recorded message addressed to the “tyrants of Hamas.”

“The rule of Sharia [Islamic law] will be implemented in Gaza, in spite of you. We swear that what is happening in the Levant today, and in particular the Yarmouk camp [in Syria], will happen in Gaza,” he said, in reference to the besieged Palestinian refugee camp near Damascus.
SOURCE: Islamic State militant was booted from Hamas
SOURCE: Daesh threatens to overthrow Hamas in Gaza
SOURCE: ISIS Threatens To Topple Hamas In Gaza
​

HAMAS and Fatah may have more to worry about then its feud with Israel. If DAESH gets a firm foothold in the Gaza Strip from the Sinai --- it will probably cause Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt to get involved; inadvertently expanding the conflict.

YES, HAMAS is much much more than just an irritant politically.

Most Respectfully,
R

Hamas is not corrupt. It will defend its people. It will not give away the store.

You can't say any of that about Fatah.

Hamas is not corrupt.. - Just a legitimate dictatorship.
What with all the "Will" - how do you know Hamas "will" defend its people, when so far they didn't? only thing they strive for - and you the one supporting it should know out of everyone else - is WAR AGAINST ISRAEL'S JEWS - not even protecting "ITS" people including Hamas members.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, ForeverYoung436, et al,

Yes, the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) is a both an Islamic Organization by Charter, and a Political Party (headed by: Khaled Meshal, Chairman, Politburo of the Islamic Resistance Movement) and the hub of a larger terrorist organization that uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims; the removal of the State of Israel. HAMAS is political, but we cannot forget that it has its own paramilitary wing called the Izz al Din Qassam Brigades (AQB) that is directed, funded and equipped by HAMAS; which has been responsible for most of the violence directed towards Israel.

Hamas is "only" a political party? Do you see Republicans in the U.S. shooting rockets? Democrats building tunnels?

In Palestine, where Hamas was elected, Hamas is a constitutionally protected political party.

They are only terrorists to Israel and their name calling lackeys in the west.

(KEY COMPONENTS)

First, the January 2006 Palestinian Parliamentary Elections, that brought HAMAS to the forefront, is now well over eight (8) years old. Whatever mandate the elections gave HAMAS eight years ago, has long since expired. The Palestinian Government has not been able to make a smooth Constitutional transition of government since the Constitution was written over a decade ago. Since the 1993 Oslo Accords, which created the Palestinian National Authority (PNA), the PNA acted as the interim administrative body established to administer the governmental institutions necessary for the West Bank. In 2012, the PNA essentially became the government for the State of Palestine when the UN decided to "accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations, without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people," (A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012).

The trouble here is that HAMAS (a Palestinian Islamic organization) has rejected two key elements that have survived for three decades in Palestine:

• HAMAS rejects the PLO (secular) as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinians,
  • Seventh Arab League Summit Conference Resolution on Palestine Rabat, Morocco 28 October 1974
  • Having heard the statement of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the representative of the Palestinian people, A/RES/3236 (XXIX) 22 November 1974
  • ANNEX II Political Communiqué and ANNEX III Palestinian Declaration of Independence
• HAMAS rejects the Oslo Accords.
  • Oslo I Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements
  • Oslo II Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip

HAMAS has a mantra ---- besides that of Jihad ---- in both the Covenant and its official Political Position:

• No recognition of the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation
• No recognition of "Israel"
  • Israel-PLO Recognition: Exchange of Letters between PM Rabin and Chairman Arafat - In connection with the Oslo Accords
• No legitimacy of Israel's presence in any part of Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south
  • A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949 UN Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations

HAMAS is becoming a regional threat. In addition to HAMAS insisting it is Entitled To Attack Israel's Embassies, Interests, And Officials Worldwide – It also claims it has the right to attack The Interests Of Israel's Allies; as well as the US.

(COMMENT)

HAMAS is not just a political party. It is a regional danger; not just by itself --- but by the bad pennies it attracts. HAMAS and the Gaza Strip have developed an attraction for DAESH (Islamic State or Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) that is attempting to establish itself on the Egyptian/Sinai Border region of the Gaza Strip and Israel.

It is rumored that a video, produced DAESH in the last week of June, is now making the rounds in the region. It is directed at the Palestinians (HAMAS and Fatah). The DAESH Jihadist accuses HAMAS of being soft in enforcing religious law in the Palestinian enclave it controls.

“We will uproot the state of the Jews [Israel] and you [Hamas] and Fatah [in the West Bank], and all of the secularists are nothing and you will be overrun by our creeping multitudes,” a masked Islamic State member said in the recorded message addressed to the “tyrants of Hamas.”

“The rule of Sharia [Islamic law] will be implemented in Gaza, in spite of you. We swear that what is happening in the Levant today, and in particular the Yarmouk camp [in Syria], will happen in Gaza,” he said, in reference to the besieged Palestinian refugee camp near Damascus.
SOURCE: Islamic State militant was booted from Hamas
SOURCE: Daesh threatens to overthrow Hamas in Gaza
SOURCE: ISIS Threatens To Topple Hamas In Gaza
​

HAMAS and Fatah may have more to worry about then its feud with Israel. If DAESH gets a firm foothold in the Gaza Strip from the Sinai --- it will probably cause Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt to get involved; inadvertently expanding the conflict.

YES, HAMAS is much much more than just an irritant politically.

Most Respectfully,
R

Hamas is not corrupt. It will defend its people. It will not give away the store.

You can't say any of that about Fatah.

Is that why it engineered the deaths of 2000 just last year, I would not call that defending the people but massacring them

 

[Billo_Really]

Hamas is not corrupt.. - Just a legitimate dictatorship.
What with all the "Will" - how do you know Hamas "will" defend its people, when so far they didn't? only thing they strive for - and you the one supporting it should know out of everyone else - is WAR AGAINST ISRAEL'S JEWS - not even protecting "ITS" people including Hamas members.

If that was true, then why is it Israel breaking all the ceasefires?

 

[Billo_Really]

This is why you can't be president, your observation is shallowed.
First let's agree to disagree that a loss of lamps in evacuated Gazan street is not important as 18-21 years old soldiers about to get ambushed by a hostile government lurking inside hospitals and medical clinics...So let's move on to the opening part in your post where you talk about the source of the electricity, maintenance, and infrastructure.. Hamas?

I can be President and you would vote for me because you know its good for the country.

As for the lamps, street improvements is not terrorism. Shooting the lamps out from people who have no legal right to be in the area, is terrorism.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

This is why you can't be president, your observation is shallowed.
First let's agree to disagree that a loss of lamps in evacuated Gazan street is not important as 18-21 years old soldiers about to get ambushed by a hostile government lurking inside hospitals and medical clinics...So let's move on to the opening part in your post where you talk about the source of the electricity, maintenance, and infrastructure.. Hamas?

I can be President and you would vote for me because you know its good for the country.

As for the lamps, street improvements is not terrorism. Shooting the lamps out from people who have no legal right to be in the area, is terrorism.

Daniyel is Israeli, not American, so I don't think he can vote for you. Maybe you can get Trump to pick you as his running mate.

 

[Daniyel]

Hamas is not corrupt.. - Just a legitimate dictatorship.
What with all the "Will" - how do you know Hamas "will" defend its people, when so far they didn't? only thing they strive for - and you the one supporting it should know out of everyone else - is WAR AGAINST ISRAEL'S JEWS - not even protecting "ITS" people including Hamas members.

If that was true, then why is it Israel breaking all the ceasefires?

What does Israel have to do with Hamas corruption or Tinmore's assessments? Read the previous posts...

 

[Roudy]

It wasnt ALL off topic. Some good themes were there. I just cant get all irate about inspecting incoming cargo to a government run by Iranian proxy terrorists. If it was any other tiny sliver of humanity, there would be a full out embargo in place.

When that government put up street lights on a Gazan street and the IDF comes in later and shoots out all the lamps at the top, who's the terrorist then?

Having a responsible government that WANTS ports and sovereign unfettered commerce would solve the problem.. Electing Hamas and destroying the democratic process is a bad move IF you value ports and commerce. Its really that simple. Give Billo an hour to sober up --- or maybe not -- before the thread is at warp speed again..

Hamas is a responsible government. The only reason they're the bad guy, is because they won't kiss Israel's ass.

No dumbass, Hamas are the bad guys because they're an Islamic terrorist organization that targets innocent civilians while hiding behind their own. They fully fulfil the criteria required by our govt and many other Western govt. to qualify as a terrorist organization.


Foreign Terrorist Organization Designation

1. What are the different types of designations? There are two kinds of designations. Groups can be designated as Foreign Terrorist Organizations under the Immigration and Nationality Act. Under Executive Order 13224 a wider range of entities, including terrorist groups, individuals acting as part of a terrorist organization, and other entities such as financiers and front companies, can be designated as Specially Designated Global Terrorists (SDGTs).

2. Who can designate FTOs and SDGTs?
The Department of State is authorized to designate FTOs and SDGTs, while the Department of the Treasury designates only SDGTs. Both departments pursue these designations in cooperation with the Department of Justice. All of the Department of State’s designations can be found at: http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/index.htm. All State FTO and EO designations can also be found at the Treasury OFAC website.

3. What are the criteria for designation?
The Secretary of State designates Foreign Terrorist Organizations in accordance with section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act. The legal criteria for designating Foreign Terrorist Organizations are:

• The organization must be foreign based.
• The organization engages in terrorist activity or terrorism, or retains the capability and intent to engage in terrorist activity or terrorism.
• The terrorist activity or terrorism of the organization threatens the security of United States nationals or national security of the United States.

For Executive Order 13224, The Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of the Treasury and the Attorney General, may designate foreign individuals or entities that he determines have committed, or pose a significant risk of committing, acts of terrorism that threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security, foreign policy, or economy of the U.S.; or, the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Attorney General, may designate individuals or entities that are determined:

• To be owned or controlled by, or act for or on behalf of an individual or entity listed in the Annex to the Order or by or for persons determined to be subject to the Order;
• To assist in, sponsor, or provide financial, material, or technological support for, or financial or other services to or in support of, acts of terrorism or individuals or entities designated in or under the Order; or
• To be otherwise associated with certain individuals or entities designated in or under the Order.

4. What makes you decide to designate or not designate a group or entity?Within the Department of State, the Bureau of Counterterrorism identifies and evaluates possible individuals or organizations for designation. Other Departments also recommend designation targets.

5. How long does the process take?
For Foreign Terrorist Organizations, once an organization is identified, we prepare a detailed "administrative record," which is a compilation of information, typically including both classified and open source information, demonstrating that the statutory criteria for designation have been satisfied.

• If the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of the Treasury, decides to make the designation, Congress is notified of the Secretary’s intent to designate the organization seven days before the designation is published in the Federal Register, as section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act requires.
• Upon the expiration of the seven-day waiting period and in the absence of Congressional action to block the designation, notice of the designation is published in the Federal Register, at which point the designation takes effect.

For Specially Designated Global Terrorists, once the Secretary of State or the Secretary of the Treasury designates an individual or entity, the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) of the Department of the Treasury takes appropriate action to block the assets of the individual or entity in the United States or in the possession or control of U.S. persons, including notification of the blocking order to U.S. financial institutions, directing them to block the assets of the designated individual or entity.

• Notice of the designation is also published in the Federal Register. OFAC also adds the individual or entity to its list of Specially Designated Nationals, by identifying such individuals or entities as Specially Designated Global Terrorists (SDGTs), and posts a notice of this addition on the OFAC website.
• Designations remain in effect until the designation is revoked or the Executive Order lapses or is terminated in accordance with U.S. law.

6. What are the consequences of a designation?

Executive Order:

• With limited exceptions set forth in the Order, or as authorized by OFAC, all property and interests in property of designated individuals or entities that are in the United States or that come within the United States, or that come within the possession or control of U.S. persons are blocked.
• With limited exceptions set forth in the Order, or as authorized by OFAC, any transaction or dealing by U.S. persons or within the United States in property or interests in property blocked pursuant to the Order is prohibited, including but not limited to the making or receiving of any contribution of funds, goods, or services to or for the benefit of individuals or entities designated under the Order.
• Any transaction by any U.S. person or within the United States that evades or avoids, or has the purpose of evading or avoiding, or attempts to violate, any of the prohibitions in the Order is prohibited. Any conspiracy formed to violate any of the prohibitions is also prohibited.
• Civil and criminal penalties may be assessed for violations.

Foreign Terrorist Organization:

• It is unlawful for a person in the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to knowingly provide "material support or resources" to a designated FTO.
• Representatives and members of a designated FTO, if they are aliens, are inadmissible to and, in certain circumstances, removable from the United States
• Any U.S. financial institution that becomes aware that it has possession of or control over funds in which a designated FTO or its agent has an interest must retain possession of or control over the funds and report the funds to the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the U.S. Department of the Treasury.
• Supports our efforts to curb terrorism financing and to encourage other nations to do the same.
• Stigmatizes and isolates designated terrorist organizations internationally.
• Deters donations or contributions to and economic transactions with named organizations.
• Heightens public awareness and knowledge of terrorist organizations.

Signals to other governments our concern about named organizations.