The Humanitarian Gaza Flotillas Saga

[Phoenall]

Sounds like MANY folks have reached that same conclusion.. And the current stinky position of the Palestinians today --- is testament to that phrase. Israel will never make the mistake again of ceding land to people who aren't as interested in nation building and infrastructure as they are in turning back the clock 3 centuries and re-fighting wars and conflicts. .

You can't give what you don't have and you can't cede land that isn't yours.

Which is why the UN could not give away land granted to the Jews in 1923, and why the arab muslims could not claim it as theirs.

 

[Billo_Really]

Only difference is that the West bank is Isreal's by international law, and the UN did not have the authority to stop them claiming it.

And just what international law would that be?

 

[Phoenall]

Good gawd, everyone knows it's Obama funding ISIS

And Israel providing material support.




And sometimes air cover.

And still cant see the placard saying that he was a terrorist

Only difference is that the West bank is Isreal's by international law, and the UN did not have the authority to stop them claiming it.

And just what international law would that be?

Mandate of Palestine that dictated the extent of the land granted to the Jews for their national home by the lands sovereign rulers

 

[Billo_Really]

Which is why the UN could not give away land granted to the Jews in 1923, and why the arab muslims could not claim it as theirs.

There was no UN in 1923, dumbass!

 

[Billo_Really]

And still cant see the placard saying that he was a terrorist

And I don't see the one that says he isn't. But if you go to the link I provided, it says he is.

Mandate of Palestine that dictated the extent of the land granted to the Jews for their national home by the lands sovereign rulers

The Mandate did not give Zionists the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights or East Jerusalem.

 

[Phoenall]

Which is why the UN could not give away land granted to the Jews in 1923, and why the arab muslims could not claim it as theirs.

There was no UN in 1923, dumbass!

Exactly which is why they could not give away Jewish land already granted under international law.

 

[Kondor3]

...The Mandate did not give Zionists the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights or East Jerusalem.

True.

The Jews gave themselves the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem.

Either way, they hold the pink-slip, now.

And much of the world is content that it be so.

Well... that part that counts, anyway.

There is no Arab Cavalry coming over the hill to change that.

There will be no sortie by 'the world' to change that.

So, sit back and enjoy the next few decades, as Israel consolidates and firms-up that ownership, and nudges out those Arabs who are dumb enough to hang around.

It is a fait accompli.

 

[Phoenall]

And still cant see the placard saying that he was a terrorist

And I don't see the one that says he isn't. But if you go to the link I provided, it says he is.

Mandate of Palestine that dictated the extent of the land granted to the Jews for their national home by the lands sovereign rulers

The Mandate did not give Zionists the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights or East Jerusalem.

And the source is islamonazi propaganda making it invalid

Actually it did if you plot these coordinates


Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory

PALESTINE


INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.​

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.




Then this which spells out that the LoN were abiding by promises made


The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:


ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

ART. 3.
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.

ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.





Article 5 says that the UN could not give away any of the land granted to the Jews, and as the UN took over the mandate in 1945 they had to abide by its articles.

 

[Kondor3]

...Which is why the UN could not give away land granted to the Jews in 1923, and why the arab muslims could not claim it as theirs.

It's downright hilarious how these half-assed Guardhouse Lawyers can so easily have their arguments turned-back against them, isn't it? "Too easy, Drill Sergeant !!!"

Especially the rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth, ignorant dogmatics.

 

[montelatici]

...The Mandate did not give Zionists the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights or East Jerusalem.

True.

The Jews gave themselves the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem.

Either way, they hold the pink-slip, now.

And much of the world is content that it be so.

Well... that part that counts, anyway.

There is no Arab Cavalry coming over the hill to change that.

There will be no sortie by 'the world' to change that.

So, sit back and enjoy the next few decades, as Israel consolidates and firms-up that ownership, and nudges out those Arabs who are dumb enough to hang around.

It is a fait accompli.

"And much of the world is content that it be so."

Just the U.S.. Israel and a few U.S. puppets.

"Voting by an overwhelming majority — 138 in favour to 9 against (Canada, Czech Republic, Israel, Marshall Islands, Micronesia (Federated States of), Nauru, Panama, Palau, United States), with 41 abstentions — the General Assembly today accorded Palestine non-Member Observer State status in the United Nations."

General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine Non-Member Observer State Status in United Nations Meetings Coverage and Press Releases

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why is "a state" constantly mentioned when the Palestinians do not mention it?

If the Palestinians did not mention one, perhaps their application to the UN for Statehood status was a silly mistake.

You are confusing the Palestinians with the oligarchs around Ramallah.

So they are not elected representatives of the palestinians then ?

No they are not.

So the elections held that saw hamas win where all a sham and not real.

I believe you are confusing reality with your fantasy world

So Hamas wins the elections and Fatah is running the PA.

Don't you find that odd?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Irgun is not currently recognized as a terrorist organization. Your Hamas heroes (according to Egypt today) are assisting ISIL in trying to destabilize the Sinai... TODAY matters.. Just like this topic.. TRADE and ECONOMIES matter. Time for the Palestinians to choose again. WHEN is the next election scheduled for????

Don't blame Israel or me for the decisions that Palestinians made to reject a seaport and airport in favor of Intifada.

Abbas is the only one who can determine that. Only the president can call elections. His term in office expired in January 2009.

The procedure laid out in the constitution is for the speaker of parliament to temporarily assume the office of president and call election within 60 days.

Abbas, with his US armed, paid, and trained security forces will not allow that to happen.

Man you have an answer to everything and it's always MY fault or secret Zionist societies or Abbas being a "tool" of the US. Abbas is the closest thing the Palestinians ever had to a Founding Father and a world class statesman and you shove him in front of the bus because you can't deal with the truth of why there is no more Palestinian government. Or elections. Or Voting. Or Seaports or airports..

With friends like you -- Palestinian statehood of any type is a doomed cause..

Which is why the wise quote: "the Palestiians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity" is so lasting.

Indeed, they always miss the opportunity to surrender and give away the store.

They stand to gain a lot more than they would lose if they negotiated in good faith. And I have yet to see you produce a valid link to your claims

The Palestinians have gone backward in negotiation for 20 years.

They should stop those foolish negotiations while there is still some Palestine left.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Which is why the UN could not give away land granted to the Jews in 1923, and why the arab muslims could not claim it as theirs.

There was no UN in 1923, dumbass!

Exactly which is why they could not give away Jewish land already granted under international law.

Why did the Zionists accept half of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie 30 years earlier?

It was not like them to be so loos with what they saw as theirs.

 

[Kondor3]

..."And much of the world is content that it be so."...

You can wipe your ass with most UN General Assembly resolutions --- especially those influenced by the Arabs and those who have to kiss their asses, to keep the oil flowing.

We suffer from no such handicap, and act in the manner that many others wish they could afford.

Behind the scenes, many of those fence-sitters are laughing at the Arabs, even while they vote for an occasional piece of toilet paper coming out of the General Assembly.

If 'the world' wants to dislodge Israel, it will have to make war on Israel.

It's one thing to give lip-service to a Palestinian state.

It's quite another to get off your ass, travel several thousand miles, and go to war, and to kill and die, to bring it into reality.

Wake me up when it looks like that's gonna happen.

Meanwhile... the world is sufficiently content, that it be so, to the extent that they aren't willing to actually do anything about it.

There is no cavalry coming over the hill to bail-out the dumbass Palestinians.

 

[Kondor3]

Abbas is the only one who can determine that. Only the president can call elections. His term in office expired in January 2009.

The procedure laid out in the constitution is for the speaker of parliament to temporarily assume the office of president and call election within 60 days.

Abbas, with his US armed, paid, and trained security forces will not allow that to happen.

Man you have an answer to everything and it's always MY fault or secret Zionist societies or Abbas being a "tool" of the US. Abbas is the closest thing the Palestinians ever had to a Founding Father and a world class statesman and you shove him in front of the bus because you can't deal with the truth of why there is no more Palestinian government. Or elections. Or Voting. Or Seaports or airports..

With friends like you -- Palestinian statehood of any type is a doomed cause..

Which is why the wise quote: "the Palestiians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity" is so lasting.

Indeed, they always miss the opportunity to surrender and give away the store.

They stand to gain a lot more than they would lose if they negotiated in good faith. And I have yet to see you produce a valid link to your claims

The Palestinians have gone backward in negotiation for 20 years.

They should stop those foolish negotiations while there is still some Palestine left.

Too late.

Nowadays, the joke is... "How many Palestinians can stand on the head of a pin?"

Because that's all they have now... a few scattered postage-sized and disjointed, non-contiguous scraps, that don't add-up to much of anything.

Too late.

 

[montelatici]

..."And much of the world is content that it be so."...

You can wipe your ass with most UN General Assembly resolutions --- especially those influenced by the Arabs and those who have to kiss their asses, to keep the oil flowing.

We suffer from no such handicap, and act in the manner that many others wish they could afford.

Behind the scenes, many of those fence-sitters are laughing at the Arabs, even while they vote for an occasional piece of toilet paper coming out of the General Assembly.

If 'the world' wants to dislodge Israel, it will have to make war on Israel.

It's one thing to give lip-service to a Palestinian state.

It's quite another to get off your ass, travel several thousand miles, and go to war, and to kill and die, to bring it into reality.

Wake me up when it looks like that's gonna happen.

Meanwhile... the world is sufficiently content, that it be so, to the extent that they aren't willing to actually do anything about it.

There is no cavalry coming over the hill to bail-out the dumbass Palestinians.

There is no need to dislodge Israel be force of arms. By abandoning the two-state solution, demographics will determine the fate of Israel as a Jewish state.

 

[Phoenall]

..."And much of the world is content that it be so."...

You can wipe your ass with most UN General Assembly resolutions --- especially those influenced by the Arabs and those who have to kiss their asses, to keep the oil flowing.

We suffer from no such handicap, and act in the manner that many others wish they could afford.

Behind the scenes, many of those fence-sitters are laughing at the Arabs, even while they vote for an occasional piece of toilet paper coming out of the General Assembly.

If 'the world' wants to dislodge Israel, it will have to make war on Israel.

It's one thing to give lip-service to a Palestinian state.

It's quite another to get off your ass, travel several thousand miles, and go to war, and to kill and die, to bring it into reality.

Wake me up when it looks like that's gonna happen.

Meanwhile... the world is sufficiently content, that it be so, to the extent that they aren't willing to actually do anything about it.

There is no cavalry coming over the hill to bail-out the dumbass Palestinians.

There is no need to dislodge Israel be force of arms. By abandoning the two-state solution, demographics will determine the fate of Israel as a Jewish state.

How so when Israel starts to evict/deport those who claim to be Palestinians and not Israeli's. You know what you demand the US does to Jews with Israeli citizenship.


And if the P.A does abandon the two state solution they will be in breach of UN resolutions and the UN charter

 

[Phoenall]

If the Palestinians did not mention one, perhaps their application to the UN for Statehood status was a silly mistake.

You are confusing the Palestinians with the oligarchs around Ramallah.

So they are not elected representatives of the palestinians then ?

No they are not.

So the elections held that saw hamas win where all a sham and not real.

I believe you are confusing reality with your fantasy world

So Hamas wins the elections and Fatah is running the PA.

Don't you find that odd?

Not for Palestine as they always do the oddest things

 

[Phoenall]

Abbas is the only one who can determine that. Only the president can call elections. His term in office expired in January 2009.

The procedure laid out in the constitution is for the speaker of parliament to temporarily assume the office of president and call election within 60 days.

Abbas, with his US armed, paid, and trained security forces will not allow that to happen.

Man you have an answer to everything and it's always MY fault or secret Zionist societies or Abbas being a "tool" of the US. Abbas is the closest thing the Palestinians ever had to a Founding Father and a world class statesman and you shove him in front of the bus because you can't deal with the truth of why there is no more Palestinian government. Or elections. Or Voting. Or Seaports or airports..

With friends like you -- Palestinian statehood of any type is a doomed cause..

Which is why the wise quote: "the Palestiians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity" is so lasting.

Indeed, they always miss the opportunity to surrender and give away the store.

They stand to gain a lot more than they would lose if they negotiated in good faith. And I have yet to see you produce a valid link to your claims

The Palestinians have gone backward in negotiation for 20 years.

They should stop those foolish negotiations while there is still some Palestine left.

Or make a concerted effort to turn it around and claw back some of the land and concessions. It is theor fault they still negotiate as 7C muslims did, and just demand what they want or else

 

[Phoenall]

Which is why the UN could not give away land granted to the Jews in 1923, and why the arab muslims could not claim it as theirs.

There was no UN in 1923, dumbass!

Exactly which is why they could not give away Jewish land already granted under international law.

Why did the Zionists accept half of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie 30 years earlier?

It was not like them to be so loos with what they saw as theirs.

Numbers that would have meant total annihilation and destruction. So they waited until the numbers where in their favour and declared independence under the terms of the Mandate. That way they had a fighting chance even against the arab league. The arab muslims are still waiting for their 1 million to 1 advantage, and fail to get it when they start fighting amongst themselves.