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) just to score cheap political points w/ n00bs who aren't aware of here predictable, child-like M.O.
So...you're admitting that you're not even up to the caliber of a 9th grader?PC is sick, despite her second statement, because of those who come up with, which she accepts: "Also, just for the record, Nazism is the German term for NATIONAL SOCIALISM which is exactly what FDR & Obama are all about."
An informed 9th grader would easily refute PC's silliness.
I've always found you to be second rate, at best.
3. So....where are the bodies of the Nazis' victims?
This is where we get into the history that is less than common knowledge.
The Nazis called it "Aktion 1005."
The Nazis knew what they had done was indefensible, and knowledge of same would cost them any possible leverage when they lost the war....so, they tried to wipe out the evidence of their crimes.
a. " “It seems that rumors of our activities in the east have started to reach the ears of our enemies. We’ve also got a problem with one of the sites in the Warthegau region. Complaints about contamination of some kind.”
“If I may ask the obvious question, Herr Gruppenführer, what difference does it make if rumors reach the West? Who would believe that such a thing was truly possible?”
“Rumors are one thing, Erich. Evidence is quite another.”
From the novel "A Death in Vienna," by Daniel Silva
" Operation 1005 was instituted by the Nazis to wipe out the traces of the mass murders they had perpetrated in Eastern and Central Europe. It began in mid-1942, when information concerning the mass slaughter of Jews and others by the Nazis first began to circulate in the West, and ended with the last days of the occupation .
.... units of Einsatzkommando 1005 were established in various geographical locations These units consisted of SiPO–SD members who organized and directed the operation, scores of German police guards and hundreds of slave laborers, mostly Jews,....
Because this operation was to be ‘Top Secret,' Berlin ordered that the slave laborers were to be murdered after the completion of the work in the area, and the German staff, who were sworn to secrecy, were not sent back to their units. As a result of this operation many mass graves were obliterated, making it impossible after the war to ascertain the exact extent of the Nazi crimes, especially in the Soviet Union and Poland."
AKTION 1005 EFFACING THE MURDER OF MILLIONS
I don't believe that for a minute.
So...you're admitting that you're not even up to the caliber of a 9th grader?PC is sick, despite her second statement, because of those who come up with, which she accepts: "Also, just for the record, Nazism is the German term for NATIONAL SOCIALISM which is exactly what FDR & Obama are all about."
An informed 9th grader would easily refute PC's silliness.
I've always found you to be second rate, at best.
You make an unsustainable secondary OP and you can't defend it. So you ad hom others.
:yawn: PoilHack sinks to a new low (every new thread she *cough* 'creates"
Actually, look at PC's second line of the OP: "So state some of those who deny that the Holocaust took place."
She's clearly quoting what "some" people say about the Holocaust. She isn't claiming that, herself. Pay attention and actually READ.
3. So....where are the bodies of the Nazis' victims?
This is where we get into the history that is less than common knowledge.
The Nazis called it "Aktion 1005."
The Nazis knew what they had done was indefensible, and knowledge of same would cost them any possible leverage when they lost the war....so, they tried to wipe out the evidence of their crimes.
a. " “It seems that rumors of our activities in the east have started to reach the ears of our enemies. We’ve also got a problem with one of the sites in the Warthegau region. Complaints about contamination of some kind.”
“If I may ask the obvious question, Herr Gruppenführer, what difference does it make if rumors reach the West? Who would believe that such a thing was truly possible?”
“Rumors are one thing, Erich. Evidence is quite another.”
From the novel "A Death in Vienna," by Daniel Silva
" Operation 1005 was instituted by the Nazis to wipe out the traces of the mass murders they had perpetrated in Eastern and Central Europe. It began in mid-1942, when information concerning the mass slaughter of Jews and others by the Nazis first began to circulate in the West, and ended with the last days of the occupation .
.... units of Einsatzkommando 1005 were established in various geographical locations These units consisted of SiPO–SD members who organized and directed the operation, scores of German police guards and hundreds of slave laborers, mostly Jews,....
Because this operation was to be ‘Top Secret,' Berlin ordered that the slave laborers were to be murdered after the completion of the work in the area, and the German staff, who were sworn to secrecy, were not sent back to their units. As a result of this operation many mass graves were obliterated, making it impossible after the war to ascertain the exact extent of the Nazi crimes, especially in the Soviet Union and Poland."
AKTION 1005 EFFACING THE MURDER OF MILLIONS
I don't believe that for a minute.
- Arad, Yitzhak (1984), "Operation Reinhard: Extermination Camps of Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka" (Internet Archive), Yad Vashem Studies XVI, pp. 205–239 (26/30 of current document), "The Attempt to Remove Traces."
- ^ Jump up to:a b Operation Reinhard: "The attempt to remove traces" (reprint) Nizkor.org 2012. Retrieved 5 June 2014.
- ^ Jump up to:a b Davies, Norman (1998), Europe: A History (internal link) (also at Google Books preview), HarperCollins, ISBN 0-06-097468-0
- Jump up^ International Katyn Commission (30 April 1943). "Commission Findings". Transcript, Smolensk 30 April 1943. Warsaw Uprising by Project InPosterum. Retrieved 5 June 2014.
- Jump up^ Kużniar-Plota, Małgorzata (30 November 2004). "Decision to commence investigation into Katyn Massacre". Departmental Commission for the Prosecution of Crimes against the Polish Nation. Retrieved 5 June 2014.
- Jump up^ Sturdy Colls, Caroline (22 January 2012). "Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust". BBC News Magazine. Retrieved 5 June 2014.
- Jump up^ Evans, Richard J. (2008), The Third Reich at War (internal link) (also at Google Books preview), Penguin Books, p. 292, ISBN 978-0-14-311671-4
- Jump up^ Wiernik, Jankiel (1945), A year in Treblinka (Fourteen chapters; digitized by Zchor.org), Verbatim translation from Yiddish (American Representation of the General Jewish Workers' Union of Poland), retrieved 5 June 2014, "The first ever published eye-witness report by an escaped prisoner of the camp."
- Jump up^ Holocaust Encyclopedia (10 June 2013). "Treblinka". United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. Retrieved 5 June 2014.
And gin up your make-believe rage, when actually what you are enraged about is this:
", FranklinRoosevelt's economic policies reflected his infatuation with Mussolini and with Hitler,with both of whom he enjoyed amiable relations.
In fact,his sending Americans into concentration camps, based on their race, opens up the question as to what other polices of theirs he also envied."
anything to score cheap political points is what rw Seoul Grl does.The virulent nutter (PC) strikes again.Damn, what a sick thread.
Me....trying to score "political points" against the Nazis?
Guilty as charged.
So....that kinda puts you on the side of the Nazis, huh?
score "political points" against the Nazis?
Guilty as charged.
The national socialism that PCs's decries is exactly the type of right wing fascist conservatism she wants big government to bring to America.
PC is sick, despite her second statement, because of those who come up with, which she accepts: "Also, just for the record, Nazism is the German term for NATIONAL SOCIALISM which is exactly what FDR & Obama are all about."
An informed 9th grader would easily refute PC's silliness.
3. So....where are the bodies of the Nazis' victims?
This is where we get into the history that is less than common knowledge.
The Nazis called it "Aktion 1005."
The Nazis knew what they had done was indefensible, and knowledge of same would cost them any possible leverage when they lost the war....so, they tried to wipe out the evidence of their crimes.
a. " “It seems that rumors of our activities in the east have started to reach the ears of our enemies. We’ve also got a problem with one of the sites in the Warthegau region. Complaints about contamination of some kind.”
“If I may ask the obvious question, Herr Gruppenführer, what difference does it make if rumors reach the West? Who would believe that such a thing was truly possible?”
“Rumors are one thing, Erich. Evidence is quite another.”
From the novel "A Death in Vienna," by Daniel Silva
" Operation 1005 was instituted by the Nazis to wipe out the traces of the mass murders they had perpetrated in Eastern and Central Europe. It began in mid-1942, when information concerning the mass slaughter of Jews and others by the Nazis first began to circulate in the West, and ended with the last days of the occupation .
.... units of Einsatzkommando 1005 were established in various geographical locations These units consisted of SiPO–SD members who organized and directed the operation, scores of German police guards and hundreds of slave laborers, mostly Jews,....
Because this operation was to be ‘Top Secret,' Berlin ordered that the slave laborers were to be murdered after the completion of the work in the area, and the German staff, who were sworn to secrecy, were not sent back to their units. As a result of this operation many mass graves were obliterated, making it impossible after the war to ascertain the exact extent of the Nazi crimes, especially in the Soviet Union and Poland."
AKTION 1005 EFFACING THE MURDER OF MILLIONS
I don't believe that for a minute.
- Arad, Yitzhak (1984), "Operation Reinhard: Extermination Camps of Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka" (Internet Archive), Yad Vashem Studies XVI, pp. 205–239 (26/30 of current document), "The Attempt to Remove Traces."
- ^ Jump up to:a b Operation Reinhard: "The attempt to remove traces" (reprint) Nizkor.org 2012. Retrieved 5 June 2014.
- ^ Jump up to:a b Davies, Norman (1998), Europe: A History (internal link) (also at Google Books preview), HarperCollins, ISBN 0-06-097468-0
- Jump up^ International Katyn Commission (30 April 1943). "Commission Findings". Transcript, Smolensk 30 April 1943. Warsaw Uprising by Project InPosterum. Retrieved 5 June 2014.
- Jump up^ Kużniar-Plota, Małgorzata (30 November 2004). "Decision to commence investigation into Katyn Massacre". Departmental Commission for the Prosecution of Crimes against the Polish Nation. Retrieved 5 June 2014.
- Jump up^ Sturdy Colls, Caroline (22 January 2012). "Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust". BBC News Magazine. Retrieved 5 June 2014.
- Jump up^ Evans, Richard J. (2008), The Third Reich at War (internal link) (also at Google Books preview), Penguin Books, p. 292, ISBN 978-0-14-311671-4
- Jump up^ Wiernik, Jankiel (1945), A year in Treblinka (Fourteen chapters; digitized by Zchor.org), Verbatim translation from Yiddish (American Representation of the General Jewish Workers' Union of Poland), retrieved 5 June 2014, "The first ever published eye-witness report by an escaped prisoner of the camp."
- Jump up^ Holocaust Encyclopedia (10 June 2013). "Treblinka". United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. Retrieved 5 June 2014.
You can quote me whatever you want, I do not believe in the gas chambers , or the digging up of mass graves at Babi Yar, to burn the bodies. I guess if there are no bodies one must make up a story right.
anything to score cheap political points is what rw Seoul Grl does.The virulent nutter (PC) strikes again.Damn, what a sick thread.
Me....trying to score "political points" against the Nazis?
Guilty as charged.
So....that kinda puts you on the side of the Nazis, huh?
score "political points" against the Nazis?
Guilty as charged.
That makes you bias.
Many of us are just interested in the truth, neither pro or anti.
1) fascism is not right wing it is left wing (even in Europe where they always claim fascism is "right" it is actually far, far left wing...since if you look at the "right wing" in Europe, they tend to support as much if not more government control of the people...but they are distinguished by their racism and wanting the socialism for their own national group)
That said, there are so many baffling and fascinating elements to Fascism and the Holocaust that it is perhaps a shame that the forum's weakest poster feels obliged to reduce the topic to childrens' cartoon level.
PC is sick, despite her second statement, because of those who come up with, which she accepts: "Also, just for the record, Nazism is the German term for NATIONAL SOCIALISM which is exactly what FDR & Obama are all about."
An informed 9th grader would easily refute PC's silliness.
Exactly so, and actually I think it's a testament to this site that the thread has been universally shat on by posters from right across the political spectrum.
There aren't many threads that achieve a consensus response here, but P. Chic's absolutely extraordinary haplessness seems to have done it.
That said, there are so many baffling and fascinating elements to Fascism and the Holocaust that it is perhaps a shame that the forum's weakest poster feels obliged to reduce the topic to childrens' cartoon level.
Fascism (/fæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Influenced by national syndicalism, fascism originated in Italy in the immediate aftermath ofWorld War I, combining more typically right-wing positions with elements of left-wing politics,[3] in opposition toliberalism, Marxism, and traditional conservatism. Although fascism is usually placed on the far-right on the traditional left–right spectrum, a number of academics have said that the description is inadequate.
Fascism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Fascist theory is a difficult and complex issue, but no one in his right mind thinks it is left-wing. It borrows some left wing elements, but then most authoritarian regimes (Stroessner, Cristiani, Rios Montte) do, and no one is calling them left wing.
The context of Nazism"True, it is a fixed idea with the French that the Rhine is their property, but to this arrogant demand the only reply worthy of the German nation is Arndt's: "Give back Alsace and Lorraine". For I am of the opinion, perhaps in contrast to many whose standpoint I share in other respects, that the reconquest of the German-speaking left bank of the Rhine is a matter of national honour, and that the Germanisation of a disloyal Holland and of Belgium is a political necessity for us. Shall we let the German nationality be completely suppressed in these countries, while the Slavs are rising ever more powerfully in the East?"
Have a look at the quote immediately above and say who wrote it. It is a typical Hitler rant, is it not? Give it to 100 people who know Hitler's speeches and 100 would identify it as something said by Adolf. The fierce German nationalism and territorial ambition is unmistakeable. And if there is any doubt, have a look at another quote from the same author:This is our calling, that we shall become the templars of this Grail, gird the sword round our loins for its sake and stake our lives joyfully in the last, holy war which will be followed by the thousand-year reign of freedom.That settles it, doesn't it? Who does not know of Hitler's glorification of military sacrifice and his aim to establish a "thousand-year Reich"?
But neither quote is in fact from Hitler. Both quotes were written by Friedrich Engels, Karl Marx's co-author (See hereand here). So let that be an introduction to the idea that Hitler not only called himself a socialist but that he WAS in fact a socialist by the standards of his day. Ideas that are now condemned as Rightist were in Hitler's day perfectly normal ideas among Leftists. And if Friedrich Engels was not a Leftist, I do not know who would be.
But the most spectacular aspect of Nazism was surely its antisemitism. And that had a grounding in Marx himself. The following passage is from Marx but it could just as well have been from Hitler:
"Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew -- not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Jewry, would be the self-emancipation of our time.... We recognize in Jewry, therefore, a general present-time-oriented anti-social element, an element which through historical development -- to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed -- has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily dissolve itself. In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Jewry".
Note that Marx wanted to "emancipate" (free) mankind from Jewry ("Judentum" in Marx's original German), just as Hitler did and that the title of Marx's essay in German was "Zur Judenfrage", which -- while not necessarily derogatory in itself -- is nonetheless exactly the same expression ("Jewish question") that Hitler used in his famous phrase "Endloesung der Judenfrage" ("Final solution of the Jewish question"). And when Marx speaks of the end of Jewry by saying that Jewish identity must necessarily "dissolve" itself, the word he uses in German is "aufloesen", which is a close relative of Hitler's word "Endloesung" ("final solution"). So all the most condemned features of Nazism can be traced back to Marx and Engels, right down to the language used. The thinking of Hitler, Marx and Engels differed mainly in emphasis rather than in content. All three were second-rate German intellectuals of their times. Anybody who doubts that practically all Hitler's ideas were also to be found in Marx & Engels should spend a little time reading the quotations from Marx & Engels archived here.
