The Great Israeli lie

[JakeStarkey]

The Great Israeli lie

Wow, so many to choose from.

Yeah, that the Arabs have not lost Greater Israel forever.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The " occupation" you refer to happened when the Arabs initiated the 67 War. They don't want to destroy Israel ??? If the Arabs had won Israel would not be wiped off the face of the earth and every single Israeli would have been killed. Israel's winning the War has nothing to do with " Hating Christians" You also claim that almost every Pro Israeli is a Bigot . I was right when I said it was because they recognized Israel's Right to Exist . What about Fatah ( Another post on the board) or Abbas NJA no Israelis Allowed Policy? Don't find that racist? That's because you are

Colonization and occupation started in the late 19th century and officially began when Britain landed with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket in 1917.

Israel always likes to start history at some later date.

So the Jews have no right to be in that territory ? ( Not a Country) Why should it be ALL Arab ? Yet this poster and others portray Jews as the Racists? The Arabs, Muslims and Pro Palestinians always like to lie and distort the Historical Facts.

I have never said that.

Even the PLO Charter says they do.

 

[aris2chat]

Again, Israeli propaganda, now the truth:

"Based on our years as parish priests in Palestine, we were appalled by the false allegations regarding Palestinian Christians made in recent weeks by Israeli spokespeople, such as Ambassador Michael Oren.

We were perplexed not because of their position, which has been part of the official Israeli narrative for many years, but by how openly they have distorted facts and misconstrued the plight of Palestinian Christians pursuing justice and peace.

These spokespeople have wrongly propagated a cynical discourse misleadingly touting “Christian persecution by Muslims.” Every Friday, we celebrate the holy mass attended by hundreds of Palestinian Christians from Bethlehem, Ramallah and Jerusalem in the Cremisan Area of Beit Jala.

The holy service, celebrated among ancient olive trees, was not a prayer to end a “Muslim-led persecution” but

to prevent Israel from confiscating this area of land that belongs to 58 Palestinian Christian families – Israel’s latest attempt to consolidate its ring of settlements that aim to sever Bethlehem from Jerusalem. This is one last attempt to prevent a land confiscation that would have catastrophic consequences for the local Christian population.

Since the Israeli occupation began in 1967, Israel has confiscated thousands of acres belonging to Palestinian Christians and Muslims. In the Jerusalem and Bethlehem areas, Christians have been severely affected by Israel’s colonization policies. As an example, approximately 5,436 acres of land from northern Bethlehem were unilaterally annexed by Israel to create the illegal settlements of Gilo and Har Homa – which Israel now cynically calls new Jerusalem “neighborhoods.”"

The plight of Palestinian Christians | JPost | Israel News

The " occupation" you refer to happened when the Arabs initiated the 67 War. They don't want to destroy Israel ??? If the Arabs had won Israel would not be wiped off the face of the earth and every single Israeli would have been killed. Israel's winning the War has nothing to do with " Hating Christians" You also claim that almost every Pro Israeli is a Bigot . I was right when I said it was because they recognized Israel's Right to Exist . What about Fatah ( Another post on the board) or Abbas NJA no Israelis Allowed Policy? Don't find that racist? That's because you are

Colonization and occupation started in the late 19th century and officially began when Britain landed with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket in 1917.

Israel always likes to start history at some later date.

Umayyad, Abbasid, Ottoman were all dynasties that occupied the local land and ruled over the local people bringing and imposing their own particular faith, culture and rules.
Establishment, exploitation, maintenance, acquisition, and expansion is the very definition of colonialism. That is the way the world grew. Every major empire, every part of the world, many religions and schools of thought have all spread through groups and colonies being established in a new or different land. Islam through it's proselyting is still colonizing, establishing, expanding, acquiring, exploiting throughout the world.

You really need to find some new catch phrases.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Massive fail on your part. From your link.

' The administration ended following the assignment of the French Mandate of Syria and Lebanon and British Mandate for Palestine at the 19–26 April 1920 San Remo conference.'

I was talking about the British Mandate over Palestine. The British was not occupying anyone during this time. That's just another Tinmore lie.

Sheesh, why do you even debate when you don't know the basics?

Britain occupied Palestine from 1917 to 1924. Then it became the Mandate. For Britain this was merely a name change. According to the League of Nations Covenant, the mandates were to render administrative assistance and advice until the people could stand alone as independent states.

Britain failed the covenant and instead of leading the people to independence, it imposes unpopular and devastating policies by military force. The name was mandate. The actions were occupation.

The Mandate had nothing to do with occupying.

And they tried to lead 'Palestine' to independence, but the Arabs refused.

Not true.

 

[toastman]

Britain occupied Palestine from 1917 to 1924. Then it became the Mandate. For Britain this was merely a name change. According to the League of Nations Covenant, the mandates were to render administrative assistance and advice until the people could stand alone as independent states.

Britain failed the covenant and instead of leading the people to independence, it imposes unpopular and devastating policies by military force. The name was mandate. The actions were occupation.

The Mandate had nothing to do with occupying.

And they tried to lead 'Palestine' to independence, but the Arabs refused.

Not true.

Very true. The Arabs refused the partition offer. The offer which would have given them independence.

BTW, now the Palestinians are negotiating for less land then offered in the partition plan. I'm sure that plan is looking quite good right now.

 

[aris2chat]

Britain occupied Palestine from 1917 to 1924. Then it became the Mandate. For Britain this was merely a name change. According to the League of Nations Covenant, the mandates were to render administrative assistance and advice until the people could stand alone as independent states.

Britain failed the covenant and instead of leading the people to independence, it imposes unpopular and devastating policies by military force. The name was mandate. The actions were occupation.

The Mandate had nothing to do with occupying.

And they tried to lead 'Palestine' to independence, but the Arabs refused.

Not true.

Mandates were caretakers set to divide and help establish smaller states, out of the massive Ottoman empire.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Mandate had nothing to do with occupying.

And they tried to lead 'Palestine' to independence, but the Arabs refused.

Not true.

Very true. The Arabs refused the partition offer. The offer which would have given them independence.

BTW, now the Palestinians are negotiating for less land then offered in the partition plan. I'm sure that plan is looking quite good right now.

Indeed, they rejected partition not statehood.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Mandate had nothing to do with occupying.

And they tried to lead 'Palestine' to independence, but the Arabs refused.

Not true.

Mandates were caretakers set to divide and help establish smaller states, out of the massive Ottoman empire.

True, Britain was the caretaker, not the owner, of Palestine. Palestine was already defined by international borders. Palestinian nationality and citizenship were already determined by international law.

Britain had no authority to change that.

 

[aris2chat]

Not true.

Mandates were caretakers set to divide and help establish smaller states, out of the massive Ottoman empire.

True, Britain was the caretaker, not the owner, of Palestine. Palestine was already defined by international borders. Palestinian nationality and citizenship were already determined by international law.

Britain had no authority to change that.

and by your view Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, Iraq and palestine should be Syrian instead of separate states, or authority in the case of the PA? Or perhaps the whole middle east, parts of europe and africa should all still be Ottoman?
All the soviet states should still be part of the greater USSR?
British Empire should still exist so the sun never sets?
USA should still be a colony?
Global population should go back to 2 billion?
Maybe you prefer to go back to the heights of the Roman Empire?
They all had establish what they considered borders and since they made the laws, they were to be recognized by the rest of the world, as they knew it.
The stone age maybe before there were borders besides coast, water ways, mountains, canyons or forests? When a tribe or nation, so to speak, consisted of only a family group?

Where to you think your reasoning begins or ends? Do you think before you speak or so bond by rhetoric that you don't think at all about what come out?

You think one massive global community or so many different people and ideas will not implode on itself? Mankind are not robotic clones, we exist in infinite varieties.

What exactly is it you want, beside Israel and jews to not exist? What should be the ideal?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Mandates were caretakers set to divide and help establish smaller states, out of the massive Ottoman empire.

True, Britain was the caretaker, not the owner, of Palestine. Palestine was already defined by international borders. Palestinian nationality and citizenship were already determined by international law.

Britain had no authority to change that.

and by your view Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, Iraq and palestine should be Syrian instead of separate states, or authority in the case of the PA? Or perhaps the whole middle east, parts of europe and africa should all still be Ottoman?
All the soviet states should still be part of the greater USSR?
British Empire should still exist so the sun never sets?
USA should still be a colony?
Global population should go back to 2 billion?
Maybe you prefer to go back to the heights of the Roman Empire?
They all had establish what they considered borders and since they made the laws, they were to be recognized by the rest of the world, as they knew it.
The stone age maybe before there were borders besides coast, water ways, mountains, canyons or forests? When a tribe or nation, so to speak, consisted of only a family group?

Where to you think your reasoning begins or ends? Do you think before you speak or so bond by rhetoric that you don't think at all about what come out?

You think one massive global community or so many different people and ideas will not implode on itself? Mankind are not robotic clones, we exist in infinite varieties.

What exactly is it you want, beside Israel and jews to not exist? What should be the ideal?

Wow, I never said any of that.

 

[aris2chat]

True, Britain was the caretaker, not the owner, of Palestine. Palestine was already defined by international borders. Palestinian nationality and citizenship were already determined by international law.

Britain had no authority to change that.

and by your view Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, Iraq and palestine should be Syrian instead of separate states, or authority in the case of the PA? Or perhaps the whole middle east, parts of europe and africa should all still be Ottoman?
All the soviet states should still be part of the greater USSR?
British Empire should still exist so the sun never sets?
USA should still be a colony?
Global population should go back to 2 billion?
Maybe you prefer to go back to the heights of the Roman Empire?
They all had establish what they considered borders and since they made the laws, they were to be recognized by the rest of the world, as they knew it.
The stone age maybe before there were borders besides coast, water ways, mountains, canyons or forests? When a tribe or nation, so to speak, consisted of only a family group?

Where to you think your reasoning begins or ends? Do you think before you speak or so bond by rhetoric that you don't think at all about what come out?

You think one massive global community or so many different people and ideas will not implode on itself? Mankind are not robotic clones, we exist in infinite varieties.

What exactly is it you want, beside Israel and jews to not exist? What should be the ideal?

Wow, I never said any of that.

Breaking up the remnants of the Ottoman Empire is exactly what Britain and France were given authority to do when given the mandates.
You are hung up on this term "defined by international borders" but borders are not a board game with two players drawing lines and coming up with a single unchangeable map. Those so call borders can fluctuate with each game and the world is still playing.
Maps were not set in stone after WWI or WWII. We've seen them change around the world.
Palestine was not a single state or nation with permanent defined borders before, during or after the mandate. Land has been divided, occupied, annexed, exploited and exchanged many times over. It will have recognized borders when the palestinians renounce violence and negotiate where borders should be so they and their neighbors can find an agreeable compromise that is best for everyone.
Palestinians are still struggling to form a unity government that can and will seek peace with it's neighbors instead of violence and terrorism. When they do, they will be ready for their recognized state with "defined by international borders".

 

[aris2chat]

a bit of visual truth for those who have a distorted image of what was and is

Picture a Day

 

[Phoenall]

Make peace offerings to Palestinians & they thank you with jihads. Build a security fence so they can remain as squatters & they call it an apartheid wall. Grant their request for their own land & you are rewarded with rocket missiles.

And now they want the entire West Bank with East Jerusalem as a capitol. Let us all join together & pray those Zionists in Israel have finally learned their lesson in giving in to Palestinian demands.

The Great Israeli Mistake.

That is an excellent title, MJB. You've outdone yourself.

Arrogance of power and money has always self-destructed men and Nations throughout History, expect a repeat.

Yes just look to all the muslims that have been assassinated by their own people after their arrogance of power and money.

Will Abass be next do you think ?

 

[Phoenall]

So Proud Veteran, that hasn't seen a minute of combat, the "Arabs' have been trying to prevent the colonization of an area of the Middle East by Europeans that involved the ethnic cleansing of the people that formerly lived there. It had nothing to do with destroying Israel.

Most pro-Israelis in the U.S. are racists. Most that want justice for the Christians and Muslims of Palestine are anti-racists. And before you respond, look up the 196th Light Infantry, I am a veteran too, but I saw combat.

So, You Pro Palestinian how did you come to that conclusion without knowing anything about me? It's because you're a Racist.

The Arabs don't want to destroy Israel?


BBC ON THIS DAY | 5 | 1967: Israel launches attack on Egypt


On 27 May the President of Egypt, Abdel Nasser, declared: "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight."

Fatah threatens Israelis: "Leave immediately" - PMW Bulletins


Just a few examples. You're the liar

Most Pro Israelis in the US are Racists? I know.... It's because they believe Israel has the Right to Exist.

Concerned about " Palestinian Christians" are we?


The Disquieting Treatment of Christians by the Palestinians


ore drastically, Christians have suffered direct harassment. They have been intimidated and maltreated; money has been extorted, land and property confiscated, and Christian women have been abused, raped, abducted and been subjected to forced marriages. Attempts have been made to impose the Islamic women's dress code on them.

The Palestinian Authority has denied Christian, as well as Jewish, ties to Jerusalem. Christian holy sites have been disparaged or insulted. The Palestine Liberation Organization in July 1997 evicted monks and nuns from the Holy Trinity Monastery in Hebron. Palestinian gunmen positioned themselves in or near Christian homes, hotels, and churches during fighting against Israel. The most notorious example of Palestinian insult was the takeover on April 2, 2002 of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem by over 150 gunmen who used the Church to fire against Israeli soldiers who out of respect for the Church did not return fire. Priests, monks, and nuns were essentially hostages of the Palestinians, who apparently stole gold and other property including prayer books.


Probably don't have a Problem with Abbas NJA , No Israelis Allowed Policy either


The Jews aren't the Racist Bigots . You are.

Again, Israeli propaganda, now the truth:

"Based on our years as parish priests in Palestine, we were appalled by the false allegations regarding Palestinian Christians made in recent weeks by Israeli spokespeople, such as Ambassador Michael Oren.

We were perplexed not because of their position, which has been part of the official Israeli narrative for many years, but by how openly they have distorted facts and misconstrued the plight of Palestinian Christians pursuing justice and peace.

These spokespeople have wrongly propagated a cynical discourse misleadingly touting “Christian persecution by Muslims.” Every Friday, we celebrate the holy mass attended by hundreds of Palestinian Christians from Bethlehem, Ramallah and Jerusalem in the Cremisan Area of Beit Jala.

The holy service, celebrated among ancient olive trees, was not a prayer to end a “Muslim-led persecution” but

to prevent Israel from confiscating this area of land that belongs to 58 Palestinian Christian families – Israel’s latest attempt to consolidate its ring of settlements that aim to sever Bethlehem from Jerusalem. This is one last attempt to prevent a land confiscation that would have catastrophic consequences for the local Christian population.

Since the Israeli occupation began in 1967, Israel has confiscated thousands of acres belonging to Palestinian Christians and Muslims. In the Jerusalem and Bethlehem areas, Christians have been severely affected by Israel’s colonization policies. As an example, approximately 5,436 acres of land from northern Bethlehem were unilaterally annexed by Israel to create the illegal settlements of Gilo and Har Homa – which Israel now cynically calls new Jerusalem “neighborhoods.”"

The plight of Palestinian Christians | JPost | Israel News

And for every one link that paints a rosy picture of muslim and Christian living in harmony there are hundreds that tell the truth about the ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Christians in all of Palestine. The demographics tell the story, and for someone who relies on these to foretell the demise of Israel you don't seem to understand them. The Christians have declined to less than 1% of the total population since 2005 when they where 14%. And not a Jew in sight to mass murder them, rape their daughters, force them to convert or evict them from their homes. But plenty of muslims doing the deeds and showing just what islam will do when it gets totsl power.

 

[pbel]

Make peace offerings to Palestinians & they thank you with jihads. Build a security fence so they can remain as squatters & they call it an apartheid wall. Grant their request for their own land & you are rewarded with rocket missiles.

And now they want the entire West Bank with East Jerusalem as a capitol. Let us all join together & pray those Zionists in Israel have finally learned their lesson in giving in to Palestinian demands.

Arrogance of power and money has always self-destructed men and Nations throughout History, expect a repeat.

Yes just look to all the muslims that have been assassinated by their own people after their arrogance of power and money.

Will Abass be next do you think ?

I think it will be Netanyahu to follow Rabin for talking peace.

 

[Phoenall]

Again, Israeli propaganda, now the truth:

"Based on our years as parish priests in Palestine, we were appalled by the false allegations regarding Palestinian Christians made in recent weeks by Israeli spokespeople, such as Ambassador Michael Oren.

We were perplexed not because of their position, which has been part of the official Israeli narrative for many years, but by how openly they have distorted facts and misconstrued the plight of Palestinian Christians pursuing justice and peace.

These spokespeople have wrongly propagated a cynical discourse misleadingly touting “Christian persecution by Muslims.” Every Friday, we celebrate the holy mass attended by hundreds of Palestinian Christians from Bethlehem, Ramallah and Jerusalem in the Cremisan Area of Beit Jala.

The holy service, celebrated among ancient olive trees, was not a prayer to end a “Muslim-led persecution” but

to prevent Israel from confiscating this area of land that belongs to 58 Palestinian Christian families – Israel’s latest attempt to consolidate its ring of settlements that aim to sever Bethlehem from Jerusalem. This is one last attempt to prevent a land confiscation that would have catastrophic consequences for the local Christian population.

Since the Israeli occupation began in 1967, Israel has confiscated thousands of acres belonging to Palestinian Christians and Muslims. In the Jerusalem and Bethlehem areas, Christians have been severely affected by Israel’s colonization policies. As an example, approximately 5,436 acres of land from northern Bethlehem were unilaterally annexed by Israel to create the illegal settlements of Gilo and Har Homa – which Israel now cynically calls new Jerusalem “neighborhoods.”"

The plight of Palestinian Christians | JPost | Israel News

The " occupation" you refer to happened when the Arabs initiated the 67 War. They don't want to destroy Israel ??? If the Arabs had won Israel would not be wiped off the face of the earth and every single Israeli would have been killed. Israel's winning the War has nothing to do with " Hating Christians" You also claim that almost every Pro Israeli is a Bigot . I was right when I said it was because they recognized Israel's Right to Exist . What about Fatah ( Another post on the board) or Abbas NJA no Israelis Allowed Policy? Don't find that racist? That's because you are

Colonization and occupation started in the late 19th century and officially began when Britain landed with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket in 1917.

Israel always likes to start history at some later date.

So what about the arab muslim colonisation and forced conversions back in the 7C, then the more recent arab muslim colonisations under the Ottomans that came to nothing. Don't forget the fact that the arab muslims had not owned the land for over 1000 years and were all migrants and colonists in that 1000 years. In fact the Ottomans colonised Palestine 3 times with arab muslims who promptly left and went back home. It was only when the Ottomans granted the Jews the right to own land and asked for Jewish migrants from Europe to come and farm the land that the arab muslims came looking for work.

So it seems that ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS are the same and want to forget all about the truth and reality

 

[Phoenall]

Colonization and occupation started in the late 19th century and officially began when Britain landed with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket in 1917.

Israel always likes to start history at some later date.

Actually, Britain was not occupying Palestine. That's a load of crap.

I've never read an article/document about the British in Palestine as an occupational force nor have I ever seen a map of Mandatory Palestine showing how Britain occupied any land.

I've never read an article/document about the British in Palestine as an occupational force

Well let me educate you then: (sheesh why do you even debate when you don't know the very basics?)

"The Occupied Enemy Territory Administration or (OETA; pronounced o-eet-a[1]) was a joint British and French military administration over Levantine and Mesopotamian provinces of the former Ottoman Empire between 1918–20, set up following the Sinai and Palestine Campaign of World War I. "

Occupied Enemy Territory Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You do realise that you have just contradicted another ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDIST and that his imam will contact your imam and have you punished. But you have also called him a LIAR by posting this that shows that Palestine was not colonised in 1917 by anyone

 

[Phoenall]

Wrong. poster. That statement was by Turco-Arab PLO leader, Ahmed Shukeiri.

Then prove it.

http://www.mythsandfacts.org/media/user/documents/israel wars.pdf

About six months before the War of Independence in 1948, Palestinian Arabs launched a series of riots, pillaging, and bloodletting, then came the invasion of seven Arab armies from neighboring states attempting to prevent the establishment of a Jewish state in accordance with the UN’s 1947 recommendation to Partition Palestine, a plan the Arabs rejected

The metaphor of Israel having her back to the sea reflected the image crafted by Arab political and religious leaders’ rhetoric and incitement. Already in 1948 several car bombs had killed Jews, and massacres of Jewish civilians underscored Arab determination to wipe out the Jews and their state.

 

[Phoenall]

Colonization and occupation started in the late 19th century and officially began when Britain landed with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket in 1917.

Israel always likes to start history at some later date.

So the Jews have no right to be in that territory ? ( Not a Country) Why should it be ALL Arab ? Yet this poster and others portray Jews as the Racists? The Arabs, Muslims and Pro Palestinians always like to lie and distort the Historical Facts.

I have never said that.

Even the PLO Charter says they do.

Actually it doesn't, what it does say is ...... Article 6: The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion will be considered Palestinians


So in effect no Jews would be allowed to exist in Palestine, which includes Israel

 

[Phoenall]

Britain occupied Palestine from 1917 to 1924. Then it became the Mandate. For Britain this was merely a name change. According to the League of Nations Covenant, the mandates were to render administrative assistance and advice until the people could stand alone as independent states.

Britain failed the covenant and instead of leading the people to independence, it imposes unpopular and devastating policies by military force. The name was mandate. The actions were occupation.

The Mandate had nothing to do with occupying.

And they tried to lead 'Palestine' to independence, but the Arabs refused.

Not true.

Under the mandate the British were to assist the people of Palestine to RESURECT THE NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS. There is no mention of any arab national home in Palestine at any time during the mandate. WHAT IS MENTIONED IS THE CREATION OF NATIONS FOR THE ARAB MUSLIMS IN IRAQ, SYRIA AND TRANS JORDAN.