The Great Israeli lie

[P F Tinmore]

Abbas said that Palestine would be Jew-free as has been pointed out to you many times.

I think he was misquoted.

You think? I know you think wrong.

The quote that I have seen does not mention Jews.

 

[montelatici]

Who the fuck are you to tell people where they can and can't live?

Who the fuck are you, to tell people what they can and cannot do, in their own home, on their own land, that they own? You don't think that is wrong?


Tell you what, why don't you go outside right now, walk over to the first house you see, go right in without knocking and start telling the residents there what they can and cannot do.

"You, you can't go to the bathroom!"
"You, you're banned from the dining room!"
"Hey, I had to shoot that one, I told him the backyard was off limits"​

Then come back and tell us what happened next!

And why you thought you had a right to do that?

Because that is basically what Israel is doing in Gaza and the West Bank. It's not their land or territory, yet they are there killing Palestinian's, restricting their freedom of movement and subjecting them to martial law.

ONE PROBLEM the land was never theirs in the first place, they came from other parts of the M.E. once the Jews had made the land fertile. The land was Ottoman owned who turned it over to the LoN who then turned it over to the Jews. The arab muslim Palestinians had already been given their land in Iraq, Syria and Transjordan.

You post B.S. with no backup to source documents of an official nature. I post fact with backup from official governmental archives:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.
​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic.......The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil...."



Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

 

[Phoenall]

Who the fuck are you, to tell people what they can and cannot do, in their own home, on their own land, that they own? You don't think that is wrong?


Tell you what, why don't you go outside right now, walk over to the first house you see, go right in without knocking and start telling the residents there what they can and cannot do.

"You, you can't go to the bathroom!"
"You, you're banned from the dining room!"
"Hey, I had to shoot that one, I told him the backyard was off limits"​

Then come back and tell us what happened next!

And why you thought you had a right to do that?

Because that is basically what Israel is doing in Gaza and the West Bank. It's not their land or territory, yet they are there killing Palestinian's, restricting their freedom of movement and subjecting them to martial law.

ONE PROBLEM the land was never theirs in the first place, they came from other parts of the M.E. once the Jews had made the land fertile. The land was Ottoman owned who turned it over to the LoN who then turned it over to the Jews. The arab muslim Palestinians had already been given their land in Iraq, Syria and Transjordan.

You post B.S. with no backup to source documents of an official nature. I post fact with backup from official governmental archives:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.
​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic.......The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil...."



Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

Try this on for size child as it dispels your myths and puts everything into perspective

British Mandate for Palestine (legal instrument) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The British defeated Ottoman Turkish forces in 1917 and occupied Ottoman Syria, which would later be divided to British Palestine and TransJordan and French Syria and Lebanon. The land remained under British military administration for the remainder of the war, and beyond

During and after World War I, Britain made conflicting and shifting commitments regarding the future division and governance of the region, including those announced in the Balfour Declaration of 1917, the Sykes-Picot Agreement, the McMahon–Hussein Correspondence, and the Churchill White Paper of 1922. At the San Remo conference, the boundaries of the mandated territories were not precisely defined

Then we have this

Treaty of Sèvres - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Treaty of Sèvres (10 August 1920) was the peace treaty between the Ottoman Empire and Allies at the end of World War I.

ARTICLE 95.

The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.


So you see that once again you have been educated from unbiased sources and your ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA has been destroyed.

 

[aris2chat]

Who said that Palestine was to be a Jew free state?

You did not answer my question.

Abbas said that Palestine would be Jew-free as has been pointed out to you many times.

I think he was misquoted.

Israel Daily News Stream 0730/2013

Misquoted so many times?

 

[aris2chat]

Who the fuck are you, to tell people what they can and cannot do, in their own home, on their own land, that they own? You don't think that is wrong?


Tell you what, why don't you go outside right now, walk over to the first house you see, go right in without knocking and start telling the residents there what they can and cannot do.

"You, you can't go to the bathroom!"
"You, you're banned from the dining room!"
"Hey, I had to shoot that one, I told him the backyard was off limits"​

Then come back and tell us what happened next!

And why you thought you had a right to do that?

Because that is basically what Israel is doing in Gaza and the West Bank. It's not their land or territory, yet they are there killing Palestinian's, restricting their freedom of movement and subjecting them to martial law.

ONE PROBLEM the land was never theirs in the first place, they came from other parts of the M.E. once the Jews had made the land fertile. The land was Ottoman owned who turned it over to the LoN who then turned it over to the Jews. The arab muslim Palestinians had already been given their land in Iraq, Syria and Transjordan.

You post B.S. with no backup to source documents of an official nature. I post fact with backup from official governmental archives:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.
​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic.......The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil...."



Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

You just showed that there was more than enough room for them all. That jews were returning well before the "zionist movement". That the holy land is an integral part of being jewish.

 

[P F Tinmore]

ONE PROBLEM the land was never theirs in the first place, they came from other parts of the M.E. once the Jews had made the land fertile. The land was Ottoman owned who turned it over to the LoN who then turned it over to the Jews. The arab muslim Palestinians had already been given their land in Iraq, Syria and Transjordan.

You post B.S. with no backup to source documents of an official nature. I post fact with backup from official governmental archives:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.
​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic.......The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil...."



Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

Try this on for size child as it dispels your myths and puts everything into perspective

British Mandate for Palestine (legal instrument) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The British defeated Ottoman Turkish forces in 1917 and occupied Ottoman Syria, which would later be divided to British Palestine and TransJordan and French Syria and Lebanon. The land remained under British military administration for the remainder of the war, and beyond

During and after World War I, Britain made conflicting and shifting commitments regarding the future division and governance of the region, including those announced in the Balfour Declaration of 1917, the Sykes-Picot Agreement, the McMahon–Hussein Correspondence, and the Churchill White Paper of 1922. At the San Remo conference, the boundaries of the mandated territories were not precisely defined

Then we have this

Treaty of Sèvres - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Treaty of Sèvres (10 August 1920) was the peace treaty between the Ottoman Empire and Allies at the end of World War I.

ARTICLE 95.

The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.


So you see that once again you have been educated from unbiased sources and your ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA has been destroyed.

the boundaries of the mandated territories were not precisely defined

Palestine's final international border with Transjordan was defined in 1922 so this part of your post is irrelevant.

Also the Treaty of Sèvres was never ratified. It was replaced by the Treaty of Lausanne, so this part of your post is irrelevant.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Abbas said that Palestine would be Jew-free as has been pointed out to you many times.

I think he was misquoted.

Israel Daily News Stream 0730/2013

Misquoted so many times?

From your link:

“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli – civilian or soldier – on our lands,” Abbas said in a briefing to mostly Egyptian journalists.

Where does he say "Jew free?"

 

[montelatici]

ONE PROBLEM the land was never theirs in the first place, they came from other parts of the M.E. once the Jews had made the land fertile. The land was Ottoman owned who turned it over to the LoN who then turned it over to the Jews. The arab muslim Palestinians had already been given their land in Iraq, Syria and Transjordan.

You post B.S. with no backup to source documents of an official nature. I post fact with backup from official governmental archives:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.
​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic.......The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil...."



Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

You just showed that there was more than enough room for them all. That jews were returning well before the "zionist movement". That the holy land is an integral part of being jewish.

Just shows that the European invasion only started in earnest after the British got behind it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You post B.S. with no backup to source documents of an official nature. I post fact with backup from official governmental archives:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.
​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic.......The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil...."



Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

You just showed that there was more than enough room for them all. That jews were returning well before the "zionist movement". That the holy land is an integral part of being jewish.

Just shows that the European invasion only started in earnest after the British got behind it.

Indeed, it was when the British landed in Palestine with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket that the shit hit the fan.

 

[toastman]

You just showed that there was more than enough room for them all. That jews were returning well before the "zionist movement". That the holy land is an integral part of being jewish.

Just shows that the European invasion only started in earnest after the British got behind it.

Indeed, it was when the British landed in Palestine with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket that the shit hit the fan.

What a load of crap!

It was when 5 Arab nations attacked Israel in 1948 that shit hit the fan.

 

[Hossfly]

Just shows that the European invasion only started in earnest after the British got behind it.

Indeed, it was when the British landed in Palestine with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket that the shit hit the fan.

What a load of crap!

It was when 5 Arab nations attacked Israel in 1948 that shit hit the fan.

Tinmore always says Israel was the instigator and started the war by attacking first. These US State Depatrment reports say the fighting had been going on before the Declaration of Independence. Let the document clear things up.


The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries. These groups launched their attacks against Jewish cities, settlements, and armed forces. The Jewish forces were composed of the Haganah, the underground militia of the Jewish community in Palestine, and two small irregular groups, the Irgun, and LEHI. The goal of the Arabs was initially to block the Partition Resolution and to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The Jews, on the other hand, hoped to gain control over the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan.

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate. On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command. British trained forces from Transjordan eventually intervened in the conflict, but only in areas that had been designated as part of the Arab state under the United Nations Partition Plan and the corpus separatum of Jerusalem. After tense early fighting, Israeli forces, now under joint command, were able to gain the offensive.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945?1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

 

[proudveteran06]

I think he was misquoted.

Israel Daily News Stream 0730/2013

Misquoted so many times?

From your link:

“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli – civilian or soldier – on our lands,” Abbas said in a briefing to mostly Egyptian journalists.

Where does he say "Jew free?"

Abbas: Arabs in Israel; No Jews in Palestine « Commentary Magazine



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Abbas: Arabs in Israel; No Jews in Palestine
Jonathan S. Tobin | @tobincommentary
07.30.2013 - 10:50 AM


While in Cairo yesterday to meet with Egypt’s new leaders, Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas let drop a few remarks about the peace negotiations with Israel that began in Washington last night. As the Times of Israel reports, Abbas left no doubt about what his vision of peace entails:

“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo.

The statement provoked little comment in the Western press, and no wonder. Most of the mainstream media has long accepted the Palestinian formulation that sees the presence of Israelis in the West Bank and Jerusalem as the primary obstacle to peace with the Palestinians. From this frame of reference, the peace equation is simple. No Israelis in Palestine means the conflict disappears. Therefore the sole object of peace negotiations is to leverage Israelis out of the areas that were illegally occupied by Jordan from 1948 to 1967.

But the problem here is not just that this is an absurd distortion of reality that ignores Jewish rights and security needs. The Abbas statement provides some important context for the key Israeli demand that the Palestinians refuse to accept: PA acknowledgement of the legitimacy of Israel as a Jewish state. If Palestinians think there is something racist about Israel being accepted as the sole Jewish state in the world, why is it OK for them to envision an independent state of their own where Jewish communities would have to be destroyed and their inhabitants be evicted?


Abas did

 

[montelatici]

Indeed, it was when the British landed in Palestine with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket that the shit hit the fan.

What a load of crap!

It was when 5 Arab nations attacked Israel in 1948 that shit hit the fan.

Tinmore always says Israel was the instigator and started the war by attacking first. These US State Depatrment reports say the fighting had been going on before the Declaration of Independence. Let the document clear things up.


The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries. These groups launched their attacks against Jewish cities, settlements, and armed forces. The Jewish forces were composed of the Haganah, the underground militia of the Jewish community in Palestine, and two small irregular groups, the Irgun, and LEHI. The goal of the Arabs was initially to block the Partition Resolution and to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The Jews, on the other hand, hoped to gain control over the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan.

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate. On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command. British trained forces from Transjordan eventually intervened in the conflict, but only in areas that had been designated as part of the Arab state under the United Nations Partition Plan and the corpus separatum of Jerusalem. After tense early fighting, Israeli forces, now under joint command, were able to gain the offensive.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945?1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

The Jews had already evicted most of the non-Jews long before any Arab army attempted to stop the Jewish ethnic cleansing of the non-Jews.


"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948". This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. "At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations." To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

 

[GHook93]

Wow, so many to choose from.

Any suggestions?

They lie to themselves (as Americans do also) that peace with them Palestinians is possible. They lie to themselves that anything less than shipping the Palestinians in Israel and Judea and Samaria to Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Saudi Arabia will produce peace.

 

[proudveteran06]

I think he was misquoted.

You think? I know you think wrong.

The quote that I have seen does not mention Jews.

Know ehen a Pro Palestinian lies? When he opens his mouth. It's understood by most who have the mental capacity to understand that the article refers to ALL Israelis, the vast majority are JEWISH.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2...in-israel-no-jews-in-palestine-peace-process/



If Palestinian society were ever to evolve to the point where Jews could live in peace under Arab rule, then peace would be possible without any major effort from the secretary of state. So long as Abbas is promising to evict the Jews from Palestine, he has no right to reject Israel’s demand that he recognize that Israel is a Jewish state and that this cannot be reversed by future negotiations, the influx of refugees, or new wars. His refusal to do so will ensure that the talks Kerry has convened will be nine months of wasted effort.

 

[montelatici]

Wow, so many to choose from.

Any suggestions?

They lie to themselves (as Americans do also) that peace with them Palestinians is possible. They lie to themselves that anything less than shipping the Palestinians in Israel and Judea and Samaria to Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Saudi Arabia will produce peace.

Are you recommending committing yet another crime against humanity by ethnically cleansing the offspring of the few non-Jews that were not ethnically cleansed earlier? Do you think the U.S. would participate in a crime against humanity?

 

[aris2chat]

You just showed that there was more than enough room for them all. That jews were returning well before the "zionist movement". That the holy land is an integral part of being jewish.

Just shows that the European invasion only started in earnest after the British got behind it.

Indeed, it was when the British landed in Palestine with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket that the shit hit the fan.

They were allowed to return under the auspices of the Ottomans.

 

[Hossfly]

What a load of crap!

It was when 5 Arab nations attacked Israel in 1948 that shit hit the fan.

Tinmore always says Israel was the instigator and started the war by attacking first. These US State Depatrment reports say the fighting had been going on before the Declaration of Independence. Let the document clear things up.


The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries. These groups launched their attacks against Jewish cities, settlements, and armed forces. The Jewish forces were composed of the Haganah, the underground militia of the Jewish community in Palestine, and two small irregular groups, the Irgun, and LEHI. The goal of the Arabs was initially to block the Partition Resolution and to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The Jews, on the other hand, hoped to gain control over the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan.

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate. On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command. British trained forces from Transjordan eventually intervened in the conflict, but only in areas that had been designated as part of the Arab state under the United Nations Partition Plan and the corpus separatum of Jerusalem. After tense early fighting, Israeli forces, now under joint command, were able to gain the offensive.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945?1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

The Jews had already evicted most of the non-Jews long before any Arab army attempted to stop the Jewish ethnic cleansing of the non-Jews.


"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948". This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. "At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations." To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

What does any of that have to do with the fact that the actual fighting began long before Israel's declaration? IOW, Ayrabs started the attacks.

 

[montelatici]

Tinmore always says Israel was the instigator and started the war by attacking first. These US State Depatrment reports say the fighting had been going on before the Declaration of Independence. Let the document clear things up.


The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries. These groups launched their attacks against Jewish cities, settlements, and armed forces. The Jewish forces were composed of the Haganah, the underground militia of the Jewish community in Palestine, and two small irregular groups, the Irgun, and LEHI. The goal of the Arabs was initially to block the Partition Resolution and to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The Jews, on the other hand, hoped to gain control over the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan.

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate. On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command. British trained forces from Transjordan eventually intervened in the conflict, but only in areas that had been designated as part of the Arab state under the United Nations Partition Plan and the corpus separatum of Jerusalem. After tense early fighting, Israeli forces, now under joint command, were able to gain the offensive.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945?1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

The Jews had already evicted most of the non-Jews long before any Arab army attempted to stop the Jewish ethnic cleansing of the non-Jews.


"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948". This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. "At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations." To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

What does any of that have to do with the fact that the actual fighting began long before Israel's declaration? IOW, Ayrabs started the attacks.

No the attacks were initiated by Irgun and the Haganah in accordance with the Plan Dalet whose goal was to ethnically cleanse all the non-Jews from the future Jewish part of the Partition and expel those outside the Jewish part that were in villages within a certain distance from the "borders".

 

[Hossfly]

The Jews had already evicted most of the non-Jews long before any Arab army attempted to stop the Jewish ethnic cleansing of the non-Jews.


"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948". This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. "At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations." To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

What does any of that have to do with the fact that the actual fighting began long before Israel's declaration? IOW, Ayrabs started the attacks.

No the attacks were initiated by Irgun and the Haganah in accordance with the Plan Dalet whose goal was to ethnically cleanse all the non-Jews from the future Jewish part of the Partition and expel those outside the Jewish part that were in villages within a certain distance from the "borders".

Then you either can't or won't read the U.S. State Department report. I see.