The Great Israeli lie

[montelatici]

What does any of that have to do with the fact that the actual fighting began long before Israel's declaration? IOW, Ayrabs started the attacks.

No the attacks were initiated by Irgun and the Haganah in accordance with the Plan Dalet whose goal was to ethnically cleanse all the non-Jews from the future Jewish part of the Partition and expel those outside the Jewish part that were in villages within a certain distance from the "borders".

Then you either can't or won't read the U.S. State Department report. I see.

The U.S. is not a neutral party, but you knew that.

 

[Hossfly]

No the attacks were initiated by Irgun and the Haganah in accordance with the Plan Dalet whose goal was to ethnically cleanse all the non-Jews from the future Jewish part of the Partition and expel those outside the Jewish part that were in villages within a certain distance from the "borders".

Then you either can't or won't read the U.S. State Department report. I see.

The U.S. is not a neutral party, but you knew that.

Why not. They recognized Israel, embargoed the belligerents of war stuff and and pushed for negotiations and stayed out of it. You're beating a dead camel.

 

[aris2chat]

The Jews had already evicted most of the non-Jews long before any Arab army attempted to stop the Jewish ethnic cleansing of the non-Jews.


"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948". This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. "At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations." To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

What does any of that have to do with the fact that the actual fighting began long before Israel's declaration? IOW, Ayrabs started the attacks.

No the attacks were initiated by Irgun and the Haganah in accordance with the Plan Dalet whose goal was to ethnically cleanse all the non-Jews from the future Jewish part of the Partition and expel those outside the Jewish part that were in villages within a certain distance from the "borders".

and the arab siege on Jerusalem and the hijacking of the convoys? You can go back months and years of arab attacks on jews in the holy land. 1918, 1920's, 1939.....can take it back a century of attacks on jews. You want to take it back to 8th C CE?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Tinmore always says Israel was the instigator and started the war by attacking first. These US State Depatrment reports say the fighting had been going on before the Declaration of Independence. Let the document clear things up.


The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries. These groups launched their attacks against Jewish cities, settlements, and armed forces. The Jewish forces were composed of the Haganah, the underground militia of the Jewish community in Palestine, and two small irregular groups, the Irgun, and LEHI. The goal of the Arabs was initially to block the Partition Resolution and to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The Jews, on the other hand, hoped to gain control over the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan.

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate. On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command. British trained forces from Transjordan eventually intervened in the conflict, but only in areas that had been designated as part of the Arab state under the United Nations Partition Plan and the corpus separatum of Jerusalem. After tense early fighting, Israeli forces, now under joint command, were able to gain the offensive.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945?1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

The Jews had already evicted most of the non-Jews long before any Arab army attempted to stop the Jewish ethnic cleansing of the non-Jews.


"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948". This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. "At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations." To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

What does any of that have to do with the fact that the actual fighting began long before Israel's declaration? IOW, Ayrabs started the attacks.

It shows that the Palestinians were under attack before Israel's declaration.

 

[Hossfly]

The Jews had already evicted most of the non-Jews long before any Arab army attempted to stop the Jewish ethnic cleansing of the non-Jews.


"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948". This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. "At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations." To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

What does any of that have to do with the fact that the actual fighting began long before Israel's declaration? IOW, Ayrabs started the attacks.

It shows that the Palestinians were under attack before Israel's declaration.

Tinmore, you're another one who either can't or won't read the report provided by the U.S. State Department. I printed out the two paragraphs that are pertinent along with the link. Don't argue with your betters.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What does any of that have to do with the fact that the actual fighting began long before Israel's declaration? IOW, Ayrabs started the attacks.

No the attacks were initiated by Irgun and the Haganah in accordance with the Plan Dalet whose goal was to ethnically cleanse all the non-Jews from the future Jewish part of the Partition and expel those outside the Jewish part that were in villages within a certain distance from the "borders".

and the arab siege on Jerusalem and the hijacking of the convoys? You can go back months and years of arab attacks on jews in the holy land. 1918, 1920's, 1939.....can take it back a century of attacks on jews. You want to take it back to 8th C CE?

Why was Israel concerned with Jerusalem? It was supposed to be an international city well within the proposed Arab territory.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What does any of that have to do with the fact that the actual fighting began long before Israel's declaration? IOW, Ayrabs started the attacks.

It shows that the Palestinians were under attack before Israel's declaration.

Tinmore, you're another one who either can't or won't read the report provided by the U.S. State Department. I printed out the two paragraphs that are pertinent along with the link. Don't argue with your betters.

I read it. It does not refute my post.

 

[Hossfly]

It shows that the Palestinians were under attack before Israel's declaration.

Tinmore, you're another one who either can't or won't read the report provided by the U.S. State Department. I printed out the two paragraphs that are pertinent along with the link. Don't argue with your betters.

I read it. It does not refute my post.

Consider yourself refuted.

 

[toastman]

The Jews had already evicted most of the non-Jews long before any Arab army attempted to stop the Jewish ethnic cleansing of the non-Jews.


"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948". This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. "At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations." To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

What does any of that have to do with the fact that the actual fighting began long before Israel's declaration? IOW, Ayrabs started the attacks.

It shows that the Palestinians were under attack before Israel's declaration.

And the Jews were being attacked by arabs before that.

 

[toastman]

It shows that the Palestinians were under attack before Israel's declaration.

Tinmore, you're another one who either can't or won't read the report provided by the U.S. State Department. I printed out the two paragraphs that are pertinent along with the link. Don't argue with your betters.

I read it. It does not refute my post.

What post specifically?

 

[aris2chat]

No the attacks were initiated by Irgun and the Haganah in accordance with the Plan Dalet whose goal was to ethnically cleanse all the non-Jews from the future Jewish part of the Partition and expel those outside the Jewish part that were in villages within a certain distance from the "borders".

and the arab siege on Jerusalem and the hijacking of the convoys? You can go back months and years of arab attacks on jews in the holy land. 1918, 1920's, 1939.....can take it back a century of attacks on jews. You want to take it back to 8th C CE?

Why was Israel concerned with Jerusalem? It was supposed to be an international city well within the proposed Arab territory.

did you not know the city was under siege beginning the end of '47 by the arabs for more than six months? Convoys of food and medicine tried to get though but a lot of jews were killed and wounded.

 

[Billo_Really]

and the arab siege on Jerusalem and the hijacking of the convoys? You can go back months and years of arab attacks on jews in the holy land. 1918, 1920's, 1939.....can take it back a century of attacks on jews. You want to take it back to 8th C CE?

There were no recorded major incidents of violence in that area until the Zionist migration at the turn of the last century. And only one poster here, I forgot who that was, has provided any evidence of a major incident between Jews and Arabs and that was around 1833. But nothing after that until Hebron. That's almost a 100 years of living peacefully with other.

Once the Zionists started showing up treating Arabs like garbage, all hell broke loose. When you start treating people like shit right off the bat, what do you expect is going to happen? You started it; you had it coming!

And if you think that's bullshit, then explain the following comment from someone who was living there at that time...

... the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination...
- Ahad Ha'am (famous Zionist humanist)

Care to explain the part in bold?

Or are you just going to ignore it, like everyone else has (including RoccoR).

 

[Phoenall]

You just showed that there was more than enough room for them all. That jews were returning well before the "zionist movement". That the holy land is an integral part of being jewish.

Just shows that the European invasion only started in earnest after the British got behind it.

Indeed, it was when the British landed in Palestine with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket that the shit hit the fan.

So what happened in the mid 1980's to cause the attacks on the Jews then, or to go even further back how about in 635 C.E. what caused the genocide and total massacre of the Jewish tribe in medina that had the muslim leader issue a command to KILL THE JEWS

 

[Phoenall]

What a load of crap!

It was when 5 Arab nations attacked Israel in 1948 that shit hit the fan.

Tinmore always says Israel was the instigator and started the war by attacking first. These US State Depatrment reports say the fighting had been going on before the Declaration of Independence. Let the document clear things up.


The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries. These groups launched their attacks against Jewish cities, settlements, and armed forces. The Jewish forces were composed of the Haganah, the underground militia of the Jewish community in Palestine, and two small irregular groups, the Irgun, and LEHI. The goal of the Arabs was initially to block the Partition Resolution and to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The Jews, on the other hand, hoped to gain control over the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan.

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate. On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command. British trained forces from Transjordan eventually intervened in the conflict, but only in areas that had been designated as part of the Arab state under the United Nations Partition Plan and the corpus separatum of Jerusalem. After tense early fighting, Israeli forces, now under joint command, were able to gain the offensive.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945?1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

The Jews had already evicted most of the non-Jews long before any Arab army attempted to stop the Jewish ethnic cleansing of the non-Jews.


"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948". This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. "At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations." To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

Now read your link again and see where it clearly states ONLY 2% were forcibly expelled. 55% left because of haganah/IDF operations, but not forcibly removed, 15% by irgun/lehi operations but not forcibly removed. So only 2% were evicted, so how is that most ?

You really need to stop LYING child as it does your cause no earthly good at all.

 

[Phoenall]

Wow, so many to choose from.

Any suggestions?

They lie to themselves (as Americans do also) that peace with them Palestinians is possible. They lie to themselves that anything less than shipping the Palestinians in Israel and Judea and Samaria to Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Saudi Arabia will produce peace.

Are you recommending committing yet another crime against humanity by ethnically cleansing the offspring of the few non-Jews that were not ethnically cleansed earlier? Do you think the U.S. would participate in a crime against humanity?

Your grasp of English is on a par with some semi literate Pashtun latrine cleaner, are you sure you are from Europe ?

 

[Phoenall]

Just shows that the European invasion only started in earnest after the British got behind it.

Indeed, it was when the British landed in Palestine with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket that the shit hit the fan.

They were allowed to return under the auspices of the Ottomans.

In fact the ottomans begged them to migrate and settle in Palestine with offers of land title and security from attacks. After two failed attempts at getting arab muslims to settle in Palestine that resulted in them leaving because the work was too hard

 

[Phoenall]

The Jews had already evicted most of the non-Jews long before any Arab army attempted to stop the Jewish ethnic cleansing of the non-Jews.


"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948". This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. "At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations." To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

What does any of that have to do with the fact that the actual fighting began long before Israel's declaration? IOW, Ayrabs started the attacks.

No the attacks were initiated by Irgun and the Haganah in accordance with the Plan Dalet whose goal was to ethnically cleanse all the non-Jews from the future Jewish part of the Partition and expel those outside the Jewish part that were in villages within a certain distance from the "borders".

Try again child as the attacks began in 635 C.E. when Mohamed wiped out the Jewish tribe in medina. Come forward to 1929 and the Palestinians once again tried to wipe out the Jews from Hebron and Jerusalem. It had nothing to do with the Irgun and Haganah did it, it was all down to the ISLAMONAZI Grand Mufti Hussieni who instigated the attacks through his BLOOD LIBELS.

Now stop being a prat and start reading some non ISLAMONAZI history books

 

[Phoenall]

No the attacks were initiated by Irgun and the Haganah in accordance with the Plan Dalet whose goal was to ethnically cleanse all the non-Jews from the future Jewish part of the Partition and expel those outside the Jewish part that were in villages within a certain distance from the "borders".

Then you either can't or won't read the U.S. State Department report. I see.

The U.S. is not a neutral party, but you knew that.

And your ISLAMONAZI sources are ?

 

[Phoenall]

The Jews had already evicted most of the non-Jews long before any Arab army attempted to stop the Jewish ethnic cleansing of the non-Jews.


"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948". This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. "At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations." To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

What does any of that have to do with the fact that the actual fighting began long before Israel's declaration? IOW, Ayrabs started the attacks.

It shows that the Palestinians were under attack before Israel's declaration.

And it also shows that the Jews were under attack before Israel's declaration, as Palestine was in a state of civil war declared by the arab muslims during WW1

 

[Phoenall]

No the attacks were initiated by Irgun and the Haganah in accordance with the Plan Dalet whose goal was to ethnically cleanse all the non-Jews from the future Jewish part of the Partition and expel those outside the Jewish part that were in villages within a certain distance from the "borders".

and the arab siege on Jerusalem and the hijacking of the convoys? You can go back months and years of arab attacks on jews in the holy land. 1918, 1920's, 1939.....can take it back a century of attacks on jews. You want to take it back to 8th C CE?

Why was Israel concerned with Jerusalem? It was supposed to be an international city well within the proposed Arab territory.

Because that was the UN partition plan that should never have been drawn up. The Jews were supposed to get all of the land for their RESURECTED NATIONAL HOME with the arab muslims as full and equal partners. remember it was the arab muslims that refused the partition plan so should have lost their lands in Iraq, Syria and Transjordan as part of the deal. That is how to deal with intransigent arab muslims, remove their goods and property that were part of a bigger deal. The arab armies over ran the city of Jerusalem and stole it away from the international community for which the UN should have invaded and dealt them a blow they would never forget