Zone1 The Great Difficulty Of Being Religious.....

[Hafar1014]

I don’t have to
I just don’t believe the fables you are telling me

If you claim its fact you have to prove it thats what facts are. If its belief you dont have to prove anything.
So have at it put up or shut up

 

[hobelim]

I just don’t believe the fables you are telling me

Do you believe the Greek fables about "the gods" living on mount Olympus who played with peoples lives for their perverted pleasure as if they were pawns and chips in some sadistic game?

You do know that many fables were written when there was no such thing as freedom of expression and people were killed maimed imprisoned and enslaved without compunction for trivial reasons by "the celestial powers"?

Don't you?

Do you believe the fable where a strange smelly orange creature emerged from the bottom of the sea, crawled on the shore, and started to eat souls and terrorize people belching and farting addled malignant narcissistic tripe?

I'm a believer.

 

[Hafar1014]

Do you believe the greek fables about "the gods" living on mount Olympus who played with peoples lives as if they they were pawns and chips for their sadistic pleasure?

You do know that many fables were written when there was no such thing as freedom of expression and people were killed maimed imprisoned and enslaved without compunction for trivial reasons by "the celestial powers"?

Don't you?

Do you believe the one where a strange smelly orange creature emerged from the bottom of the sea crawled on the shore and started to eat souls and terrorize people belching and farting addled malignant narcissistic tripe?

Im still waiting for that atheist superior logic and reason to prove theres no God.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Old Testament is mostly an allegory so what. Genesis does describe evolution. Where is the difficulty. Try being an atheist a belief with no evidence to support it

In a number of ways, science has come to agree with Genesis.

 

[hobelim]

In a number of ways, science has come to agree with Genesis.

Really? Some scientists have actually learned to decipher complicated metaphors like a crafty talking serpent? And some people don't believe in miracles, the blind seeing the lame jumping around or the dead coming to life

Imagine that!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Really? Some scientists have actually learned to decipher complicated metaphors like a crafty talking serpent? And some people don't believe in miracles, the blind seeing the lame jumping around or the dead coming to life

Imagine that!

You need me to put you in your place????

Sure:

In fact, science has come more in line with the Bible. Dennis Prager writes:
“In my lifetime alone, science went from positing a universe that always existed to positing a universe that had a beginning (the Big Bang). So, in jut one generation [the Bible], in describing a beginning to the universe, went from conflicting with science to agreeing with science….[The Bible] should not violate essential truths (for example, it accurately depicts human beings as the last creation).”



More???



scientist, Palmer, wrote a book about the astounding accuracy of the Bible, 3 thousand years ago, stating the order of the evolution of life on or planet….exactly the presentation that science now accepts as the fact.

Dr. Andrew Palmer, Oxford biologist, whose book, "The Genesis Enigma," states that the writer of the book of Genesis provides an uncannily similar synopsis of the events in the creation as compared to that accepted by modern science today.



Rather than ridicule the Bible, those very same secular, atheistic scientists have come around to accept the very order that the Old Testament claimed was the course of creation:
The idea of the miraculous confluence of the first chapter of Genesis and the sequence advanced by modern science is as follows:


a. The Old Testament was written, although not compiled, almost three millennia ago. It is extraordinary that the writer of the creation account in Genesis, chapter one, got it right in his exposition of the series of events: his sequence turns out to be scientifically accurate in terms of contemporary knowledge.


b. From a water covered planet, to terrestrial life. The images in that writer’s mind of how our planet and life came to be must have seemed curious for the knowledge and experience of the time! Yet….he presented it as though it had been dictated to him, as though he had been spoken to by God.


c. If it is not evidence for the God, then the author of Genesis 1, or Moses, perhaps, must have understood that the universe formed first, …then the seas appeared on earth, …and that life forms were photosynthetic.

d. Following that, he had to have realized that an eye evolved in an early animal in the geological past, which triggered the evolution of all the major groups of animals that exist today.

e. Still further, he must have felt that all of this occurred in the seas, before animals moved onto land, and only when they did move out of the water did mammals and birds evolve.

The above largely from chapter nine of zoologist Andrew Parker’s “The Genesis Enigma.”



Wow! What an incredibly lucky guess! What a considerable stroke of good fortune!

Or…an alternative explanation: divine intervention.




Feeling kinda stupid, huh?




BTW, are you a government school grad?

 

[hobelim]

Feeling kinda stupid, huh?

No, actually, not at all. A little sorry for you, but not too much.

The earth and its waters did not exist before light as recorded in Genesis. Ask any credible scientist, professor.

"And the Spirit of God HOVERED over the waters and God said, "Let there be light."

Conclusion.

You fail.

 

[Hafar1014]

In a number of ways, science has come to agree with Genesis.

Yes evolution life with ,meaning (Viktor Frankl), morals and free will thats philosophy but also psychology. Genesis was way ahead of its time

 

[PoliticalChic]

No, actually, not at all. A little sorry for you, but not too much.

The earth and its waters did not exist before light as recorded in Genesis. Ask any credible scientist, professor.

"And the Spirit of God HOVERED over the waters and God said, "Let there be light."

Conclusion.

You fail.

Would you care opine on the two specific examples that I gave,. that destroyed you last post?


Or whether I was correct about where you learned to hate,, in government school.

 

[rightwinger]

If its not a belief then prove its a fact. Go ahead Ill wait.
You choose not to believe. Come on prove it shows that superior atheist logic.

I don’t have to
I just don’t believe the fables you are telling me

If you claim its fact you have to prove it thats what facts are. If its belief you dont have to prove anything.
So have at it put up or shut up

You don’t have to prove what you don’t believe.

Burden of proof is on you if you expect me to believe

 

[Meriweather]

I don’t have to
I just don’t believe the fables you are telling me

Let's try this once again. Lessons, morals, truths are presented in many different forms of literature. Do you believe the truths, themes presented via fables, folklore, apocalyptic literature?

 

[rightwinger]

Let's try this once again. Lessons, morals, truths are presented in many different forms of literature. Do you believe the truths, themes presented via fables, folklore, apocalyptic literature?

I enjoy fantasy

Doesn’t mean I have to accept it as true

 

[Foxfyre]

In the face of the communist take-over of religious institutions.

1. It was a brilliant plan by the communists:
“Antonio Gramsci, the philosopher who became the iconic thinker of the 1960s, laid down the blueprint for precisely what has happened in Britain: the capture of all society's institutions, such as schools, universities, churches, the media, the legal profession, the police and voluntary groups. This intellectual elite was persuaded to sing from the same subversive hymn-sheet so that the moral beliefs of the majority would be replaced by the values of those on the margins of society, the perfect ambience in which the Muslim grievance culture could be fanned into the flames of extremism."
Melanie Phillips

2. "In 1907, a group of Methodists formed the Methodist Federation for Social Service (MFSS). The aim was to influence other Protestant groups. The next day, the group is received by President Theodore Roosevelt in the White House. One of the leaders, Harry F. Ward drafts a Social Creed that will be adopted by the 1908 General Conference and by the Federal Council of the Churches of Christ in America. Methodist Federation for Social Action

"The church, therefore, in the opinion of the federation, must accept
the Marxist point of viewThe federation, therefore, wants the religious leaders to preach a religious creed, not based upon the Bible and in defense of the American way of life, but one that is based upon the atheistic foundations of the philosophy of Marx. The federation wants the ministers to declare their judgment against the social economic system under which Americans live and prosper today in favor of the Socialist system, which in Russia and the satellite countries has brought the peoples." Read the ebook Investigation of Communist activities in the New York City area. Hearings (Volume pt. 5-6, pp. 1969-2143) by United States. Congress. House. Committee on Un-Am


3. And in trhe Catholic Church today...

"The Catholic turn to socialism is something to celebrate​

The turn to socialism must be seen as part of a general retrieval of the genuine political thought of the Catholic Church, against the misinterpretations of an older generation. The better part of a decade has now been spent identifying and correcting liberal corruptions of Catholic doctrine; once these have been dealt with, the socialist character of Catholic social teaching becomes clear.

By “socialism” I mean two things essentially: the rejection of the liberal, capitalist view of private property, and consequently the abolition of an economic order predicated on the exploitation of those who do not have property by those who do. Socialists desire a society of the common good, in which citizens collaborate for mutual advantage in enjoyment of peace and security; a society where the public authority is empowered to correct injuries to the common good, rather than standing by indifferently, as if it were powerless in the face of evil.
What a socialist means by the abolition of private property....."

The Catholic turn to socialism is something to celebrate - Catholic Herald

Why are so many younger Catholics drawn to socialism? Writing on this site, CC Pecknold recently suggested that "an increasingly vocal band of very online Catholics" is trying and failing "to reconcile socialist principles with (specifically Thomist) natural law principles". As one of these...

thecatholicherald.com

4. There is absolutely no basis for Socialism in the Bible.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'
"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.
The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.
With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?



5. Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism, or Progressivism.

Had not seen this thread since it was resurrected.

It has been my observation--and I am by no means alone--that the Marxist left, with the ultimate goal of taking totalitarian control of the USA since the 1970's. It has been infiltrating all the American institutions that control the message the people receive--government, media, education, entertainment, scientific groups, big business and yes, religious organizations.

As they managed to gain foothold in these, they mentored others like themselves until their numbers increased to the point that conservatives/libertarians (little "L")/normal people were no longer considered for employment and/or were made so uncomfortable or disadvantaged they mostly quit.

By the time Trump and the Patriots regained control of the White House and Congress, there were whole government departments/agencies without a single Republican on staff. We all know what Hollywood has become, how advertising must be structured, how scientific groups are required to be focused in one direction only, how education has become an indoctrination machine instead of actually educating our young. And the Church has become increasingly humanistic instead of religious and increasingly woke.

I think they did miscalculate in their agenda to destroy the American culture and remake it into something they can easily control. They went totally 'woke' too quickly and that bothered even some leftists who are still able to utilize creative thinking and intellectual honesty. They and the remaining conservatives have pushed back hard on that at least slowing down the progress.

We need to keep the GOP in control for at least 12 years--20 might be safer--to ferret out all the deep state operatives that want to take over our country and restore it to the country the Founders intended it to be.

 

[rightwinger]

Had not seen this thread since it was resurrected.

It has been my observation--and I am by no means alone--that the Marxist left, with the ultimate goal of taking totalitarian control of the USA--since the 1970's, has been infiltrating all the American institutions that control the message the people receive--government, media, education, entertainment, scientific groups, big business and yes, religious organizations.

As they managed to gain foothold in these, they mentored others like themselves until their numbers increased to the point that conservatives/libertarians (little "L"/normal people were no longer considered for employment and/or were made so uncomfortable or disadvantaged they quit.

By the time Trump and the Patriots regained control of the White House and Congress, there were whole government departments/agencies without a single Republican on staff. We all know what Hollywood has become, how advertising must be structured, how scientific groups are required to be focused in one direction only, how education has become an indoctrination machine instead of actually educating our young. And the Church has become increasingly woke.

I think they did miscalculate in their agenda to destroy the American culture and remake it into something they can easily control. They went totally 'woke' too quickly and that bothered even some leftists who are still able to utilize creating thinking and intellectual honesty. They and the remaining conservatives have pushed back hard on that at least lowing down the progress.

We need to keep the GOP in control for at least 12 years--20 might be safer--to ferret out all the deep state operatives that want to take over our country and restore it to the country the Founders intended it to be.

You Goofy

 

[Foxfyre]

You Goofy

I'm sure you think so since you seem to support everything the left is doing to destroy American culture and remake America into something they will be able to control in perpetuity.

 

[rightwinger]

I'm sure you think so since you seem to support everything the left is doing to destroy American culture and remake America into something they will be able to control in perpetuity.

The Left fights for Truth, Justice and the American Way while Trump works to destroy our Democracy

 

[Foxfyre]

The Left fights for Truth, Justice and the American Way while Trump works to destroy our Democracy

I rest my case. You keep emphasizing that you are opposed to everything good the current government is doing to make America great again and approve everything the left was/is doing to tear it down. Sad.

 

[rightwinger]

I rest my case. You keep emphasizing that you are opposed to everything good the current government is doing to make America great again and approve everything the left was/is doing to tear it down. Sad.

I recognize the current Government destroying the foundation of our Government

 

[Meriweather]

I enjoy fantasy

Doesn’t mean I have to accept it as true

What truth do you believe is fantasy?

 

[Foxfyre]

I recognize the current Government destroying the foundation of our Government

No. You don't. But you'll keep saying it just the same because that's what America destroying leftists do.