Zone1 The Great Difficulty Of Being Religious.....

[Donald H]

I really don't care what a fraud/subversive thinks or believes.

I do! and we will eventually discover whether it's you or it's Woodnuts that is the liar and the fraud? Both of you can't be telling the truth on what is allegorical parables and what is the 'literal truth'!

What you intend for evil, God is using for good. That's the only value you offer at this time.

I'm content to leave it with the god for today. My value as offered by you is sufficient!

 

[ding]

I do! and we will eventually discover whether it's you or it's Woodnuts that is the liar and the fraud? Both of you can't be telling the truth on what is allegorical parables and what is the 'literal truth'!

I'm content to leave it with the god for today. My value as offered by you is sufficient!

Laughing leads to crying.

 

[Woodznutz]

And it doesn't have to be one that I consider to be a whopper, such as the worldwide flood in which the earth is translated to mean the 'dirt' in Hebrew.

Nice try. Soil (dirt) is way down the list of meanings.

Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. land, earth
   
   1. earth
      
      1. whole earth (as opposed to a part)
      2. earth (as opposed to heaven)
      3. earth (inhabitants)
   2. land
      
      1. country, territory
      2. district, region
      3. tribal territory
      4. piece of ground
      5. land of Canaan, Israel
      6. inhabitants of land
      7. Sheol, land without return, (under) world
      8. city (-state)
   3. ground, surface of the earth
      
      1. ground
      2. soil
   4. (in phrases)
      
      1. people of the land
      2. space or distance of country (in measurements of distance)
      3. level or plain country
      4. land of the living
      5. end(s) of the earth
   5. (almost wholly late in usage)
      
      1. lands, countries
         

 

[Donald H]

The flood is written as an actual event, not a metaphor.

This should help.

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Thank you! That's more than I could have ever hoped for.

It completely lays to rest Ding's beliefs on the flood being an allegorical account of an impossible event that suggests even Mt. Everest being covered by water.

You my friend, stand alone with your unquestioned faith!

 

[ding]

Thank you! That's more than I could have ever hoped for.

It completely lays to rest Ding's beliefs on the flood being an allegorical account of an impossible event that suggests even Mt. Everest being covered by water.

You my friend, stand alone with your unquestioned faith!

An allegorical account of an historical event. What part of this needs explaining?

 

[Donald H]

Nice try. Soil (dirt) is way down the list of meanings.

Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. land, earth
   1. earth
      1. whole earth (as opposed to a part)
      2. earth (as opposed to heaven)
      3. earth (inhabitants)
   2. land
      1. country, territory
      2. district, region
      3. tribal territory
      4. piece of ground
      5. land of Canaan, Israel
      6. inhabitants of land
      7. Sheol, land without return, (under) world
      8. city (-state)
   3. ground, surface of the earth
      1. ground
      2. soil
   4. (in phrases)
      1. people of the land
      2. space or distance of country (in measurements of distance)
      3. level or plain country
      4. land of the living
      5. end(s) of the earth
   5. (almost wholly late in usage)
      1. lands, countries

All that is N.A. now that you're being completely honest with your belief that the flood did indeed cover the entire globe.

That's where the clams found above 25k feet elevation actually lived!

 

[ding]

All that is N.A. now that you're being completely honest with your belief that the flood did indeed cover the entire globe.

That's where the clams found above 25k feet elevation actually lived!

That's an embellishment. Just as Washington chopping down a cherry tree was an embellishment. Seriously, this stuff is beyond your intellectual capacity to understand.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and give God what is God's"

What does that mean? To me it means to pay my taxes (I pay a lot of taxes annually) and to live a life in accordance to the primary messages/teachings of both the Old and New Testaments.

"Loving God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind" allows us to:

Use our emotions, affections and desires in a way that manifests God's love in our lives (HEART)

Be Truly passionate, giving us strength from within that manifests itself in our works (SOUL)

Study, learn and truly understand through knowledge and wisdom what God's ways are for us. (MIND)


Then using these gifts to "Love our neighbors as ourselves", living a life respecting others, not judging, helping others, showing mercy and forgiveness.

Seems difficult for you to answer a direct queston.


"Tithing and sacrifices are a form of "redistribution of wealth".


So that is what you favor?




Here's another one: who'd you vote for?

 

[Donald H]

An allegorical account of an historical event. What part of this needs explaining?

Woodnuts has already accepted your burden on the flood being a literally true event. Are you buying that which he peddles or are you going to stick with your blasphemous interpretations of the god's word?

 

[Woodznutz]

Thank you! That's more than I could have ever hoped for.

It completely lays to rest Ding's beliefs on the flood being an allegorical account of an impossible event that suggests even Mt. Everest being covered by water.

You my friend, stand alone with your unquestioned faith!

Regarding Mt. Everest. There was no need to flood it as no one was up there. "High hills" are erroneously translated as "mountains". The flood covered those places where people lived, not where they didn't live. Those few who might have escaped to places above the flood would soon die of starvation or exposure.

The ark will never be found as it was surely dismantled and used for building material over time.

 

[Donald H]

That's an embellishment. Just as Washington chopping down a cherry tree was an embellishment. Seriously, this stuff is beyond your intellectual capacity to understand.

Tell that to Woodnuts.l

Why when we become so close to agreement, do you add doubts on where the clams lived?
Fact or not on the sea food, you're never going to accept the god's and Woodnuts's word on the great flood!

 

[rightwinger]

Regarding Mt. Everest. There was no need to flood it as no one was up there. "High hills" are erroneously translated as "mountains". The flood covered those places where people lived, not where they didn't live. Those few who might have escaped to places above the flood would soon die of starvation or exposure.

The ark will never be found as it was surely dismantled and used for building material over time.

Then why didn’t animals on the ark congregate around where the ark landed?

Why were animals different in different areas of the world

 

[Woodznutz]

Then why didn’t animals on the ark congregate around where the ark landed?

Why were animals different in different areas of the world

I think of past ruin/restoration events revealed in the geologic and fossil record. God simply recreated some of the critters he wanted as well as creating new ones after global ruinous events. New epoch, new life forms. Genesis 1 is the story of such a restoration event.

 

[Donald H]

Regarding Mt. Everest. There was no need to flood it as no one was up there. "High hills" are erroneously translated as "mountains". The flood covered those places where people lived, not where they didn't live. Those few who might have escaped to places above the flood would soon die of starvation or exposure.

The ark will never be found as it was surely dismantled and used for building material over time.

Maybe true but you're not recruiting any support for belief in a totally literally true bible.
You're already even suggesting that the literal fact that all the 'land' was covered by water is not true.

I have no disagreement with however you call it. Regardless of how long the mountain goats lived. They're your goats to do with as you please.

(within bounds of decency with goats!)

 

[rightwinger]

I think of past ruin/restoration events revealed in the geologic and fossil record. God simply recreated the critters he wanted. Genesis 1 is the story of such a restoration event.

Then why have an ark at all?

 

[Donald H]

Then why didn’t animals on the ark congregate around where the ark landed?

Why were animals different in different areas of the world

They were all dinosaurs!

Supposing that you want to be serious and play along with us.

The necks sticking out the roof were those of Brontosaurs and not Giraffes. The Giraffes weren't made by the god until millions of years later.

Even Lucy wasn't born until nearly 3 million years ago!

 

[Woodznutz]

Maybe true but you're not recruiting any support for belief in a totally literally true bible.
You're already even suggesting that the literal fact that all the 'land' was covered by water is not true.

I have no disagreement with however you call it. Regardless of how long the mountain goats lived. They're your goats to do with as you please.

(within bounds of decency with goats!)

All the high hills were covered by 22 feet of flood water. Also, the flood may have reached the 'tree line', but we don't know where the tree line was at that time.

 

[Woodznutz]

Then why have an ark at all?

It was a call to repentance that lasted 120 years.

 

[Donald H]

All the high hills were covered by 22 feet of flood water. Also, the flood may have reached the 'tree line', but we don't know where the tree line was at that time.

Brontosaurs could stand on a hill and hold their heads above the water indefinitely.
Not to suggest that they did!

 

[rightwinger]

How did the birds survive?

With all plant life destroyed
What did the animals eat when they got off the ark?