The GOP in a Post-Trump World

[Meathead]

In either 1 or 5 years, it will be a reality.
Does the GOP continue to be the party run by conspiracy theories (Q-Anon) where everyone is out to get them or do they move toward the sane middle?
Does the GOP continue to be the party that discounts facts as "partisan rhetoric" or do they once again accept facts and form positions based on those facts?
Does the GOP continue to be the party that invites hate into it's platform or do they join the right-thinking Americans who disavow hate groups?
Does the GOP continue to call the press the "enemy of the people" or do they once again support freedom of the press?

Also, a bonus question. If you had to pick a person who is going to be the 2024 GOP candidate for President...who would you pick

Serious replies only. Thanks in advance.

As with all truly great leaders, their legacy far outlasts them. None of us will be alive in the "post-Trump world".

For example, we are still not in the post-Lincoln world, but the post-Obama world started January 21, 2017.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

‘Does the GOP continue to be the party that discounts facts as "partisan rhetoric" or do they once again accept facts and form positions based on those facts?’

It’s been a very long time since Republicans accepted facts and formed positions based on those facts, long before the advent of Trump.

Indeed, Trump is the product of decades of Republicans ignoring the facts, rejecting the truth, and adhering blindly to failed, wrongheaded conservative political, social, and economic dogma.

This won’t change when Trump is gone – it will in fact get worse, particularly if Biden is elected this November.

Good Post. I disagree with some of it though.

Did Bush disavow facts like the blob does? No. Neither did Romney. Neither did McCain. I agree with you on the social and economic dogma incluing Roe and tax cuts. Political dogma? Obama had it right (and was skewered by Pelosi and others by the way) that we do need to reform Social Security and entitlements and I think Bush/Romney/McCain would agree. FWIW, Romney was right about a few things; why are we still funding PBS when we're trillions in the hole? Any EPA ruling that will cost us X number of jobs should be subject to congressional vote.

Reagan, GHWB, GWB, Romney, and McCain were professional politicians – Trump is not.

Reagan, GHWB, GWB, Romney, and McCain had the political acumen to use the hate, fear, and racism of the GOP to their political advantage without getting dirty themselves.

Trump does not.

And Romney was wrong about PBS, its budget is miniscule compared to other appropriations – he was just pushing a favorite rightwing hot button issue for votes.

Funding PBS is perfectly appropriate and warranted – it benefits the nation as a whole.

The better question is why are we funding a failed, illegal war in Afghanistan – which in no manner benefits the nation.

The PBS thing is a small part of the budget but its clear that the American People shouldn't be paying for it when we're trillions in the hole already; small or not--doesn't matter.
As for Afghanistan, that was understandable at the time--that is where OBL was, protected by the Taliban, and some of the 9/11 hijackers were trained there as I recall
Iraq? That was a war of choice. A very bad choice.

So assuming the 2024 GOP candidate is a conventional politician, will you expect him (there is no her) to embrace facts and disavow conspiracy theories?

What matters is prioritizing spending cuts.

You start with what’s the most expensive.

As for the 2024 GOP candidate, assuming he’s a professional politician, he’ll acknowledge the facts beneficial to his campaign, and ignore the ones that don’t.

And he’ll use conspiracy theories to his advantage without getting dirty doing so.

Perhaps not. Remember when McCain put that old bitty in her place about Obama's citizenry? One of the brighter more recent points of American Politics and it wasn't all that long ago. And like you said earlier, those who continue to trumpet the long-debunked theory about Obama being born in Kenya don't really believe so...they are just carrying the water for the blob.

Correct.

McCain the consummate politician.

But McCain gladly accepted her vote – and had no problem with Republican political operatives using fear, racism, and hate to garner more votes for McCain; see, e.g., Sarah Palin.

Well hold on....

Obama likely took the votes of thousands who disagreed with him on a number of issues. Jewish supporters who voted for him for example probably were not happy about the 2 state solution.

Just as we pick the candidate who best fits our desires; candidates take support from people who don't share all of their views as well.

I will agree that with the GOP, the radical far right is much more anti-American than the radical far-left who are not exactly the type of people I want to see gain traction in the next DEM administration. So you're right, GOP candidates have no problem taking votes from hate groups but DNC candidates have no problem taking votes from the pie-in-the-sky liberals. Remember Dennis Kucinich who wanted to replace the Defense Dept. with the Peace Dept?

I don’t accept the premise that Democrats and Republicans are ‘the same’; whatever the Democrats’ faults and failing – and there are many – to attempt to compare the two is meritless sophistry.

That some Democrats might advocate for naïve, pie-in-the-sky policies is in no manner the same as Republicans facilitating and exploiting fear, hate, bigotry, and racism for political gain.

Moreover, unlike the extreme right and its significant influence over the GOP, the radical far-left has been relegated to the political wilderness for at least the last 40 years (no biblical reference intended) – with little, if any, influence over Democratic policies and positions.

Unlike the GOP, the Democratic party remains a moderate, slightly center-left party – that the likes of Joe Biden will be their presidential nominee is compelling evidence of that.

Oh. I wasn't making the argument that they were the same policy wise. I think candidates are the same across the spectrum insofar as accepting support from people they would not want to put front and center if they were asked who their supporters were. This goes for Dems, Reps, Libertarians, Greens, etc...

Last July Trump told Democratic congresswomen of color – all American citizens - to "go back" to their countries.

I’m unaware of a similar example of bigotry, racism, and hate coming from a Democratic president or presidential candidate.

In this regard candidates are not the same across the political spectrum.

 

[candycorn]

‘Does the GOP continue to be the party that discounts facts as "partisan rhetoric" or do they once again accept facts and form positions based on those facts?’

It’s been a very long time since Republicans accepted facts and formed positions based on those facts, long before the advent of Trump.

Indeed, Trump is the product of decades of Republicans ignoring the facts, rejecting the truth, and adhering blindly to failed, wrongheaded conservative political, social, and economic dogma.

This won’t change when Trump is gone – it will in fact get worse, particularly if Biden is elected this November.

Good Post. I disagree with some of it though.

Did Bush disavow facts like the blob does? No. Neither did Romney. Neither did McCain. I agree with you on the social and economic dogma incluing Roe and tax cuts. Political dogma? Obama had it right (and was skewered by Pelosi and others by the way) that we do need to reform Social Security and entitlements and I think Bush/Romney/McCain would agree. FWIW, Romney was right about a few things; why are we still funding PBS when we're trillions in the hole? Any EPA ruling that will cost us X number of jobs should be subject to congressional vote.

Reagan, GHWB, GWB, Romney, and McCain were professional politicians – Trump is not.

Reagan, GHWB, GWB, Romney, and McCain had the political acumen to use the hate, fear, and racism of the GOP to their political advantage without getting dirty themselves.

Trump does not.

And Romney was wrong about PBS, its budget is miniscule compared to other appropriations – he was just pushing a favorite rightwing hot button issue for votes.

Funding PBS is perfectly appropriate and warranted – it benefits the nation as a whole.

The better question is why are we funding a failed, illegal war in Afghanistan – which in no manner benefits the nation.

The PBS thing is a small part of the budget but its clear that the American People shouldn't be paying for it when we're trillions in the hole already; small or not--doesn't matter.
As for Afghanistan, that was understandable at the time--that is where OBL was, protected by the Taliban, and some of the 9/11 hijackers were trained there as I recall
Iraq? That was a war of choice. A very bad choice.

So assuming the 2024 GOP candidate is a conventional politician, will you expect him (there is no her) to embrace facts and disavow conspiracy theories?

What matters is prioritizing spending cuts.

You start with what’s the most expensive.

As for the 2024 GOP candidate, assuming he’s a professional politician, he’ll acknowledge the facts beneficial to his campaign, and ignore the ones that don’t.

And he’ll use conspiracy theories to his advantage without getting dirty doing so.

Perhaps not. Remember when McCain put that old bitty in her place about Obama's citizenry? One of the brighter more recent points of American Politics and it wasn't all that long ago. And like you said earlier, those who continue to trumpet the long-debunked theory about Obama being born in Kenya don't really believe so...they are just carrying the water for the blob.

Correct.

McCain the consummate politician.

But McCain gladly accepted her vote – and had no problem with Republican political operatives using fear, racism, and hate to garner more votes for McCain; see, e.g., Sarah Palin.

Well hold on....

Obama likely took the votes of thousands who disagreed with him on a number of issues. Jewish supporters who voted for him for example probably were not happy about the 2 state solution.

Just as we pick the candidate who best fits our desires; candidates take support from people who don't share all of their views as well.

I will agree that with the GOP, the radical far right is much more anti-American than the radical far-left who are not exactly the type of people I want to see gain traction in the next DEM administration. So you're right, GOP candidates have no problem taking votes from hate groups but DNC candidates have no problem taking votes from the pie-in-the-sky liberals. Remember Dennis Kucinich who wanted to replace the Defense Dept. with the Peace Dept?

I don’t accept the premise that Democrats and Republicans are ‘the same’; whatever the Democrats’ faults and failing – and there are many – to attempt to compare the two is meritless sophistry.

That some Democrats might advocate for naïve, pie-in-the-sky policies is in no manner the same as Republicans facilitating and exploiting fear, hate, bigotry, and racism for political gain.

Moreover, unlike the extreme right and its significant influence over the GOP, the radical far-left has been relegated to the political wilderness for at least the last 40 years (no biblical reference intended) – with little, if any, influence over Democratic policies and positions.

Unlike the GOP, the Democratic party remains a moderate, slightly center-left party – that the likes of Joe Biden will be their presidential nominee is compelling evidence of that.

Oh. I wasn't making the argument that they were the same policy wise. I think candidates are the same across the spectrum insofar as accepting support from people they would not want to put front and center if they were asked who their supporters were. This goes for Dems, Reps, Libertarians, Greens, etc...

Last July Trump told Democratic congresswomen of color – all American citizens - to "go back" to their countries.

I’m unaware of a similar example of bigotry, racism, and hate coming from a Democratic president or presidential candidate.

In this regard candidates are not the same across the political spectrum.

Except that wasn't the words of a candidate.

 

[Meathead]

‘Does the GOP continue to be the party that discounts facts as "partisan rhetoric" or do they once again accept facts and form positions based on those facts?’

It’s been a very long time since Republicans accepted facts and formed positions based on those facts, long before the advent of Trump.

Indeed, Trump is the product of decades of Republicans ignoring the facts, rejecting the truth, and adhering blindly to failed, wrongheaded conservative political, social, and economic dogma.

This won’t change when Trump is gone – it will in fact get worse, particularly if Biden is elected this November.

Good Post. I disagree with some of it though.

Did Bush disavow facts like the blob does? No. Neither did Romney. Neither did McCain. I agree with you on the social and economic dogma incluing Roe and tax cuts. Political dogma? Obama had it right (and was skewered by Pelosi and others by the way) that we do need to reform Social Security and entitlements and I think Bush/Romney/McCain would agree. FWIW, Romney was right about a few things; why are we still funding PBS when we're trillions in the hole? Any EPA ruling that will cost us X number of jobs should be subject to congressional vote.

Reagan, GHWB, GWB, Romney, and McCain were professional politicians – Trump is not.

Reagan, GHWB, GWB, Romney, and McCain had the political acumen to use the hate, fear, and racism of the GOP to their political advantage without getting dirty themselves.

Trump does not.

And Romney was wrong about PBS, its budget is miniscule compared to other appropriations – he was just pushing a favorite rightwing hot button issue for votes.

Funding PBS is perfectly appropriate and warranted – it benefits the nation as a whole.

The better question is why are we funding a failed, illegal war in Afghanistan – which in no manner benefits the nation.

The PBS thing is a small part of the budget but its clear that the American People shouldn't be paying for it when we're trillions in the hole already; small or not--doesn't matter.
As for Afghanistan, that was understandable at the time--that is where OBL was, protected by the Taliban, and some of the 9/11 hijackers were trained there as I recall
Iraq? That was a war of choice. A very bad choice.

So assuming the 2024 GOP candidate is a conventional politician, will you expect him (there is no her) to embrace facts and disavow conspiracy theories?

What matters is prioritizing spending cuts.

You start with what’s the most expensive.

As for the 2024 GOP candidate, assuming he’s a professional politician, he’ll acknowledge the facts beneficial to his campaign, and ignore the ones that don’t.

And he’ll use conspiracy theories to his advantage without getting dirty doing so.

Perhaps not. Remember when McCain put that old bitty in her place about Obama's citizenry? One of the brighter more recent points of American Politics and it wasn't all that long ago. And like you said earlier, those who continue to trumpet the long-debunked theory about Obama being born in Kenya don't really believe so...they are just carrying the water for the blob.

Correct.

McCain the consummate politician.

But McCain gladly accepted her vote – and had no problem with Republican political operatives using fear, racism, and hate to garner more votes for McCain; see, e.g., Sarah Palin.

Well hold on....

Obama likely took the votes of thousands who disagreed with him on a number of issues. Jewish supporters who voted for him for example probably were not happy about the 2 state solution.

Just as we pick the candidate who best fits our desires; candidates take support from people who don't share all of their views as well.

I will agree that with the GOP, the radical far right is much more anti-American than the radical far-left who are not exactly the type of people I want to see gain traction in the next DEM administration. So you're right, GOP candidates have no problem taking votes from hate groups but DNC candidates have no problem taking votes from the pie-in-the-sky liberals. Remember Dennis Kucinich who wanted to replace the Defense Dept. with the Peace Dept?

I don’t accept the premise that Democrats and Republicans are ‘the same’; whatever the Democrats’ faults and failing – and there are many – to attempt to compare the two is meritless sophistry.

That some Democrats might advocate for naïve, pie-in-the-sky policies is in no manner the same as Republicans facilitating and exploiting fear, hate, bigotry, and racism for political gain.

Moreover, unlike the extreme right and its significant influence over the GOP, the radical far-left has been relegated to the political wilderness for at least the last 40 years (no biblical reference intended) – with little, if any, influence over Democratic policies and positions.

Unlike the GOP, the Democratic party remains a moderate, slightly center-left party – that the likes of Joe Biden will be their presidential nominee is compelling evidence of that.

Oh. I wasn't making the argument that they were the same policy wise. I think candidates are the same across the spectrum insofar as accepting support from people they would not want to put front and center if they were asked who their supporters were. This goes for Dems, Reps, Libertarians, Greens, etc...

Last July Trump told Democratic congresswomen of color – all American citizens - to "go back" to their countries.

I’m unaware of a similar example of bigotry, racism, and hate coming from a Democratic president or presidential candidate.

In this regard candidates are not the same across the political spectrum.

That incestuous Omar skank should definitely go back to Somalia.

 

[Crepitus]

In either 1 or 5 years, it will be a reality.
Does the GOP continue to be the party run by conspiracy theories (Q-Anon) where everyone is out to get them or do they move toward the sane middle?
Does the GOP continue to be the party that discounts facts as "partisan rhetoric" or do they once again accept facts and form positions based on those facts?
Does the GOP continue to be the party that invites hate into it's platform or do they join the right-thinking Americans who disavow hate groups?
Does the GOP continue to call the press the "enemy of the people" or do they once again support freedom of the press?

Also, a bonus question. If you had to pick a person who is going to be the 2024 GOP candidate for President...who would you pick

Serious replies only. Thanks in advance.

Unless Limbaugh dies soon and takes Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, and the entire crew at breightbart "news" with him they will continue to be rabid nut-bars with no connection to reality.

Those guys were still around when Bush, Romney, etc... were nominees and Presidents. They had some tether to reality at that point. So I don't really think their thought leaders will be driving it. Ratings in Radio and TV and the Internet to a degree are given by the vierwship/listenership of the stations, channels, and websites. The reason FOX focuses on sex appeal in their news readers isn't because they are qualified...its because they know who watches their station...angry frustrated males. The reason the guys you mentioned are so hateful is because their patrons are hateful. It is interesting that the hate has only gotten worse with the blob in office; is it not? It does reveal what the blob agenda is about...crystallized beautifully by Andrew Shepherd in the American President....he is interested in two things, "telling you who is to blame and making you afraid".

Anyway....I think that there will be a pendulum swing back toward the middle once the blob oozes out of office. But I think it will be a generation of three before most of us can have two parties to choose from once more.

To paraphrase Deep Throat from All the President’s Men: don’t believe the myth about Trump the media created, he’s not that smart.

Again, "telling you who is to blame and making you afraid" predates Trump; Republicans were using this sort of rhetoric more than 50 years ago – it got Nixon elected in 1968, it was the racism of Reagan’s ‘welfare queens.’

Trump is merely the symptom of a diseased GOP and the malignancy that is conservatism.

Clayton, go back to your university and demand a refund. All that education has just made you a twit.

He's correct.

Not that I expect you to admit it.

So long as Democrats are fucking killing little innocent children and fucking selling off their body parts for profit I will know that you fucking Democrats are in the wrong and I'm in the right.

And slobbering fanatics like the one above are why I'm pretty sure they do believe the conspiracy theories the spew.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

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[Uncensored2008]

In either 1 or 5 years, it will be a reality.
Does the GOP continue to be the party run by conspiracy theories (Q-Anon) where everyone is out to get them or do they move toward the sane middle?
Does the GOP continue to be the party that discounts facts as "partisan rhetoric" or do they once again accept facts and form positions based on those facts?
Does the GOP continue to be the party that invites hate into it's platform or do they join the right-thinking Americans who disavow hate groups?
Does the GOP continue to call the press the "enemy of the people" or do they once again support freedom of the press?

Also, a bonus question. If you had to pick a person who is going to be the 2024 GOP candidate for President...who would you pick

Serious replies only. Thanks in advance.

Will the CCP democrat party continue to be a Maoist/Stalinist party?
Will violence continue to be the main voice of the CCP democrats?
Will a free and honest press continue to rise to challenge and offset the Democrat Media Complex?
Will tribalism continue to be the message of the CCP democrat party?
Will class warfare remain a central platform of the Maoist/Stalinist party?

 

[Uncensored2008]

What a stupid piece of shit fucked up in the head totally crazy OP.

Sounds like he struck a nerve.

You seem pretty worried about it.

80 year old porn actress candycorn is a mindless demagogue spewing leftist hatred. None of you traitor vermin can post anything rational.

 

[Uncensored2008]

In either 1 or 5 years, it will be a reality.
Does the GOP continue to be the party run by conspiracy theories (Q-Anon) where everyone is out to get them or do they move toward the sane middle?
Does the GOP continue to be the party that discounts facts as "partisan rhetoric" or do they once again accept facts and form positions based on those facts?
Does the GOP continue to be the party that invites hate into it's platform or do they join the right-thinking Americans who disavow hate groups?
Does the GOP continue to call the press the "enemy of the people" or do they once again support freedom of the press?

Also, a bonus question. If you had to pick a person who is going to be the 2024 GOP candidate for President...who would you pick

Serious replies only. Thanks in advance.

Unless Limbaugh dies soon and takes Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, and the entire crew at breightbart "news" with him they will continue to be rabid nut-bars with no connection to reality.

Those guys were still around when Bush, Romney, etc... were nominees and Presidents. They had some tether to reality at that point. So I don't really think their thought leaders will be driving it. Ratings in Radio and TV and the Internet to a degree are given by the vierwship/listenership of the stations, channels, and websites. The reason FOX focuses on sex appeal in their news readers isn't because they are qualified...its because they know who watches their station...angry frustrated males. The reason the guys you mentioned are so hateful is because their patrons are hateful. It is interesting that the hate has only gotten worse with the blob in office; is it not? It does reveal what the blob agenda is about...crystallized beautifully by Andrew Shepherd in the American President....he is interested in two things, "telling you who is to blame and making you afraid".

Anyway....I think that there will be a pendulum swing back toward the middle once the blob oozes out of office. But I think it will be a generation of three before most of us can have two parties to choose from once more.

To paraphrase Deep Throat from All the President’s Men: don’t believe the myth about Trump the media created, he’s not that smart.

Again, "telling you who is to blame and making you afraid" predates Trump; Republicans were using this sort of rhetoric more than 50 years ago – it got Nixon elected in 1968, it was the racism of Reagan’s ‘welfare queens.’

Trump is merely the symptom of a diseased GOP and the malignancy that is conservatism.

Clayton, go back to your university and demand a refund. All that education has just made you a twit.

It was in the Philippines off the back of a matchbook. Earn your JD in just 3 short weeks! They don't give refunds.