The Global Warming Fraud

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The winters aren't warmer

Wrong, as usual.
Warming winters across the United States | NOAA Climate.gov

Westwall, everyone knows you have no idea what you are talking about and just react to whatever flashes across your screen. Everyone.

"The switch"

Absolutely, that is a factor. Also, renewables. These are mathematical facts. Cry all day, and they will still be facts at ni night time.

You're claiming to speak for an awful lot of people. You don't. Just thought you should know.

Yes I do. Thanks for the outburst.

The only outburst is yours, dude. Hyperbole and lies are all you have. Thanks for making that crystal clear.

Actually, I obliterated your madeup horseshit with 1.7 seconds of effort and some factual information. That's why you are having your little fit, remember? Your memory is not good.

 

[westwall]

The winters aren't warmer

Wrong, as usual.
Warming winters across the United States | NOAA Climate.gov

Westwall, everyone knows you have no idea what you are talking about and just react to whatever flashes across your screen. Everyone.

"The switch"

Absolutely, that is a factor. Also, renewables. These are mathematical facts. Cry all day, and they will still be facts at ni night time.

You're claiming to speak for an awful lot of people. You don't. Just thought you should know.

Yes I do. Thanks for the outburst.

The only outburst is yours, dude. Hyperbole and lies are all you have. Thanks for making that crystal clear.

Actually, I obliterated your madeup horseshit with 1.7 seconds of effort and some factual information. That's why you are having your little fit, remember? Your memory is not good.

No, you didn't you boob. You haven't obliterated anything save your credibility. Everyone with a brain recognizes the fraud now. Only scientific illiterates, and the mentally retarded still believe that crap.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No, you didn't

Of course, I did. See, you madeup some utter horseshit, because you don't know what you are talking about and had to say something to fulfill your kneejerk reaction.

But, in your rabid, crybaby furor, it never crossed that chasm between your ears that people have analyzed why our emissions have decreased, and that even a trained monkey can find this information.

So, I corrected your silly little lie. And now you're all gwumpy about it.

Westwall, this same shit happens to you literally every time you fuck with me. Learn something. Stop making shit up!

 

[westwall]

No, you didn't

Of course, I did. See, you madeup some utter horseshit, because you don't know what you are talking about and had to say something to fulfill your kneejerk reaction.

But, in your rabid, crybaby furor, it never crossed that chasm between your ears that people have analyzed why our emissions have decreased, and that even a trained monkey can find this information.

So, I corrected your silly little lie. And now you're all gwumpy about it.

Westwall, this same shit happens to you literally every time you fuck with me. Learn something.

Sure thing sport. Your ass has been handed to you so many times all you have left is claiming victory and pounding your chest like a gorilla.

It's real easy to tell it's a fraud.....none of the draconian measures are in place, and won't ever be.

You clowns will continue to lie, and the normal folk will just avoid you on the streets like the mentally deranged people you are.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And how many times do they have to be reproduced?

The fact is that climate began changing on planet Earth before there was a climate to change. How because the formation of the climate was change. There is no evidence that humans are adding to climate change

Yep. The climate change wackos need to realize one simple thing, Climate Change = Weather. That's ALL you need to know.

Good grief. How unbelievable stupid.

Climate Change = Weather. It really IS as simple as that. You're welcome.

Not only your comment was stupid. But I don't start to discuss another 50 years now.

The USA produces 15.7 tons CO2 per year and inhabitant. That's much to much. Reduce it. Start now. Otherwise exists the danger of an automatized positive feedback effect from natural sources too. (=A kind of CO2-explosion).

Otherwise exists the danger of an automatized positive feedback effect from natural sources too.

Exactly!
The last time CO2 hit 500 ppm, everything died.

 

[flacaltenn]

Already told you.. The US HAS reduced CO2 emissions back to early 1990s levels.. THat's more than most any other country.. And that was done WITHOUT massive govt planning and scheming and intervention or cost to consumers.. Wake the fuck up....

Stop making so much sense before you scare the Climate Fear Mongers into actually shutting the fuck up

Except it won't, because the boast is a moronic boast meant for uninformed morons and only partially true. Our emissions are still very high, just as they were in the 1990s. And the tiny decrease is due , chiefly, to moving away from coal and to warmer winters. So, less coal use (oh look, an environmentalist goal, and in no small part due to use of renewables, which actually are subsidized, note the lie in his post) and warmer winters (oh look, global warming).

Not a moronic boast.. Just the facts.. And going BACK 30 years to past emissions levels would be lauded by ANY honest environmentalist.. You're just not one of those...

And it was NOT RENEWABLES that replaced those coal plants. It was natural gas.. And it was done against HEAVY OPPOSITION by the Obama Admin and various states.. This was accomplished by market forces IN SPITE of govt and the ignorance of the impending doomers..

Winters in the US are not THAT warmer.. IN FACT, as a whole nation, they are only about 0.4DegC warmer than when you were peeing in diapers. When the temp swings as much as +/-8 to 12 degF diff on any given day compared to avg -- the nationwide heating use is BARELY gonna tingle from a 0.8DegF GW mean departure over your entire life span..

 

[Sun Devil 92]

We were 50 years ago able to stop this process. It had happened nothing. So it looks like now mankind is only able to reduce this process and to avoid some of the worst case scenarios. But this was yesterday.

Huh ?

It's the party line that is so important.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Already told you.. The US HAS reduced CO2 emissions back to early 1990s levels.. THat's more than most any other country.. And that was done WITHOUT massive govt planning and scheming and intervention or cost to consumers.. Wake the fuck up....

Stop making so much sense before you scare the Climate Fear Mongers into actually shutting the fuck up

Except it won't, because the boast is a moronic boast meant for uninformed morons and only partially true. Our emissions are still very high, just as they were in the 1990s. And the tiny decrease is due , chiefly, to moving away from coal and to warmer winters. So, less coal use (oh look, an environmentalist goal, and in no small part due to use of renewables, which actually are subsidized, note the lie in his post) and warmer winters (oh look, global warming).

Not a moronic boast.. Just the facts.. And going BACK 30 years to past emissions levels would be lauded by ANY honest environmentalist.. You're just not one of those...

And it was NOT RENEWABLES that replaced those coal plants. It was natural gas.. And it was done against HEAVY OPPOSITION by the Obama Admin and various states.. This was accomplished by market forces IN SPITE of govt and the ignorance of the impending doomers..

Winters in the US are not THAT warmer.. IN FACT, as a whole nation, they are only about 0.4DegC warmer than when you were peeing in diapers. When the temp swings as much as +/-8 to 12 degF diff on any given day compared to avg -- the nationwide heating use is BARELY gonna tingle from a 0.8DegF GW mean departure over your entire life span..

I strongly suggest you refrain from using data.

I don't want to read about leftists lemmings whose heads exploded a few days after Christmas.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Why don't you loons ever practice what you preach. Give all of your modern conveniences and go live the simple life you want to force on others.

This is definitely the most idiotic denier talking point.

Do you get paid to deflect ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

The worst polluters are China and India and what the **** is the "right" form of industrialization.

zaangelewa is most likely a resident of some craphole in Africa. Pay no attention.

I'm a German on the way to become angry, racist. And your nation will have to pay attention to the unalienable rights of all and every life ... or not. And the "or not" will make you only to a victim of the delusion your self created hell will be a paradise.

WHAT ????

 

[Sun Devil 92]

And...?

I don't see any of you people bitching about China's output of CO2 only the US's.

Little child, China is doing a lot to reduce the problem. But the USA forces everyone in the world to waste more money in military structures. Enemies as well as friends.

Global warming, climate change whatever the fuck

¿the fuck?

you want to call it isn't about the planet its about wealth redistribution.

The wealth redestribution of superrich drug- and weapon dealers into the own oligarchic or pharaonic purses, who pay the propaganda machine, which brainwashes you?

You need a new translator. The one you have is shit.

He does it on purpose.

What do I do on purpose?

Look stupid.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Name one lie, professor.

Correct....not one.

More like 5,000.

 

[flacaltenn]

The winters aren't warmer

Wrong, as usual.
Warming winters across the United States | NOAA Climate.gov

Westwall, everyone knows you have no idea what you are talking about and just react to whatever flashes across your screen. Everyone.

"The switch"

Absolutely, that is a factor. Also, renewables. These are mathematical facts. Cry all day, and they will still be facts at ni night time.

Climate.gov is a recently created propaganda site for the intellectually weak... Note they don't give a US anomaly for that span of time for their scary charts.. Also note the LARGEST departure on those charts is about 1.1DegC..

And the vast majority of THAT is in those states that are literally frozen tundra in Jan/Feb... NO SCARY changes worth noting in the OTHER 50% of the country where winter is more variable naturally...

The bottom chart (% of landmass in bottom 10% of "extreme cold) is a cherry pick.. Winter VARIANCE for 50% of the US landmass is tiny compared to the northern tier and the Rockies. The coasts and Gulf states have a winters moderated by the proximity to ocean.. So the extreme cold range is VERY narrow and not likely to experience any real effects from a 1DegC mean change..

ALL of that is subject to scientific scrutiny.. Including the range of dates chosen.. Since the US REPORTING networks were not very filled out until about 1930s. And it's those NORTHERN TIER STATES and low pop density states that would have had spotty reporting from 1885 to 1930s...

Just that one factor alone could contribute more uncertainty to the analysis than the 1DegC mean change CONUS wide....

 

[flacaltenn]

The winters aren't warmer

Wrong, as usual.
Warming winters across the United States | NOAA Climate.gov

Westwall, everyone knows you have no idea what you are talking about and just react to whatever flashes across your screen. Everyone.

"The switch"

Absolutely, that is a factor. Also, renewables. These are mathematical facts. Cry all day, and they will still be facts at ni night time.

If you have ONE number or piece of evidence that it was NOT nat gas development, but wind and solar that led the decrease in emissions back to 1990s levels -- we'd sure be excited to see that... And I do not need the usual cheery numbers about how much wind and solar was BOUGHT.. I need the percentage of wind and solar that covered the demise of 24/7/365 coal power sources. NATIONWIDE....

 

[flacaltenn]

The fact is that climate began changing on planet Earth before there was a climate to change. How because the formation of the climate was change. There is no evidence that humans are adding to climate change

Yep. The climate change wackos need to realize one simple thing, Climate Change = Weather. That's ALL you need to know.

Good grief. How unbelievable stupid.

Climate Change = Weather. It really IS as simple as that. You're welcome.

Not only your comment was stupid. But I don't start to discuss another 50 years now.

The USA produces 15.7 tons CO2 per year and inhabitant. That's much to much. Reduce it. Start now. Otherwise exists the danger of an automatized positive feedback effect from natural sources too. (=A kind of CO2-explosion).

Otherwise exists the danger of an automatized positive feedback effect from natural sources too.

Exactly!
The last time CO2 hit 500 ppm, everything died.

You'd think that thawing out from 4 consecutive glacial periods and releasing all those sequestrated CO2/Methane sources would have EASILY "runaway and destroyed the planet"... With a mile of ice covering the N. Hemi and then exposing all that sequestered carbon -- we're not just LUCKY that man even exists.. It means our planet is not defective with a lot of those imagined "positive feedbacks" from natural CO2 sources...

 

[flacaltenn]

Fort Fun Indiana needs more science time and less politics and demonstrating time.. You like FACTS AND NUMBERS?? Get them.. Use them.. Don't make up shit...

From 2012...

Natural Gas Fuels the Recent Drop in U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions

Greenhouse gas emissions in the United States fell to their lowest level in 17 years in 2012, according to a new report from the Environmental Protection Agency. Additional data from the U.S. government show why: the trend is largely the result of a rapid drop in coal-fired electricity, and a corresponding rise in electricity generated by cleaner fuels, especially natural gas.

The picture is less encouraging globally. Although a report by Reuters shows that greenhouse gas emissions in industrialized nations fell by 1.3 percent in 2012, with the biggest drop being seen in the United States, energy-related carbon dioxide emissions still rose 1.4 percent worldwide that year, according to a recent report by the International Energy Agency.

From 2018...

https://www.realclearenergy.org/art..._gas_is_slashing_us_co2_emissions_110310.html

Thanks to Natural Gas, US CO2 Emissions Lowest Since 1985
By Jude Clemente
July 06, 2018

At 80 billion cubic feet per day (Bcf/d), the U.S. just hit another record for dry natural gas production, a 46 percent increase since 2008 when the “shale gas revolution” started. The economic and energy security advantages are well known, but what has gotten less attention is how huge the environmental benefits of producing and using more natural gas have been.

In particular, mounting domestic supply has increasingly pushed us to more gas use in the electricity sector, which accounts for 35 percent of our total gas usage, especially noticeable the past week with air conditioners ramping up to fight the heat wave. U.S. gas needed for electricity has increased 40 percent over the past decade to ~26 Bcf/d — pushing gas to become our main source of power in 2016.

Gas power plants are mushrooming all over the country, with almost a 20 percent gas capacity gain of 90,000 megawatts from 2017–2020 alone. Bolstered by rising efficiency, the more that we have turned to natural gas, the more our CO2 emissions have plummeted. Our power emissions are now the lowest they have been since 1985. As the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) has shown, electricity is unique in that it is the only sector where emissions are actually declining, thanks mostly to natural gas.

Gas has cut 50 percent more emissions since 2005 than wind and solar power combined. Natural gas is the reason why President Obama’s now pulled back Clean Power Plan has become completely irrelevant: We are set to surpass his reduction goals a decade early.

In fact, not just lowering emissions directly by more use, a natural gas backbone for the power grid gives us the critical peaking ability to enable a deeper penetration of renewables. Gas plants have the unique ability to quickly ramp up and hit maximum output in a matter of minutes, compensating for “when the wind isn’t blowing” or “the sun isn’t shining.” With capacity factors in the 33–43 percent range even on good days, naturally intermittent wind and solar are “unavailable more than they are available.” So as the required backup, natural gas that enjoys a much more reliable 85–90 percent range will remain crucial as the complement for renewables.

Read that last paragraph again all you crazed greenies... Without a CLEANER DEPENDABLE source to back up the flaky and unreliable renewables --- We could not afford to ACQUIRE much more wind and solar...

 

[ChemEngineer]

Yes he does always lie about global warming.

 

[daveman]

The winters aren't warmer

Wrong, as usual.
Warming winters across the United States | NOAA Climate.gov

Westwall, everyone knows you have no idea what you are talking about and just react to whatever flashes across your screen. Everyone.

"The switch"

Absolutely, that is a factor. Also, renewables. These are mathematical facts. Cry all day, and they will still be facts at ni night time.

You're claiming to speak for an awful lot of people. You don't. Just thought you should know.

Yes I do. Thanks for the outburst.

Look, Skippy, you can eat all your own shit you want. Just don't expect normal people to believe you when you say it's yummy.

 

[OldBiologist]

The hypothesis of man made global warming (and it is really only that) might be true but there is just no good reason for us to be throwing around billions of dollars within global economies by trading carbon credits between countries and corporations.

The reason I believe MMGW is merely a hypothesis is that there are a couple broad and fatal, IMO, problems.

— I doubt the ability to accurately measure global temperatures as precisely as have been claimed, with the exception of the only very recent measurements obtained by remote sensing. Mush of the data is collected from stations never intended for the purpose of determining global climate change.

— Correlations, where they can even be demonstrated at all, mean little to nothing because correlation does not mean causation. Only actual experiments can verify whether a correlation is in fact the result of some cause and effect.

— Which brings up the next problem, no experiment can be done to verify or falsify any observed global correlations because it is impossible to even establish a control for a planetary climate experiment. Ideally, we’d need an exact copy of earth, minus humans.

— Finally, climate has changed repeatedly and dramatically over the millennia with the complete absence of man made technology, or even man for that matter. It seems perfectly reasonable to believe that current changes are due to factors similar to what have happened throughout earth’s history, not something that came along in the last blink of an eye.

 

[ChemEngineer]

OldBiologist, how is it that you can be so faithfully a follower of Charlie Darwin, but not Al Gore?
Do they not call you too a "denier"? That must hurt.