1.Required
remedial education for government school grads.
a. You have been mislead about the
Nazis and the Communists: both are Leftist, both were birthed from Karl Marx, and the Communists, by every metric, were the worse and more dangerous. As the Democrat Party mirrors all of the aims of the communists, they need alter the public’s perception of the two socialist entities.
b.
Not all Germans were Hitler supporters. Today’ subject gave his life to oppose Hitler.
c. While
Franklin Roosevelt was on excellent terms with both Hitler and Stalin, when push came to shove, he turned America’s foreign policy, troops and treasure over to his fav, Joseph ‘Koba’ Stalin.
2. If you have never read a book, you will simply believe what the Left wants you to believe. Case in point:
"So…you’re a government school grad?
“Yes I am (and my wife and kids are too) and I'm not ashamed of it. “
what if they attack turkey, what do we do, Turkey is in the UN. Our obligation lies with them, so we get shot with our own weapons? too fking funny. the circular trap you're in is very obvious. First, I suspect you meant NATO, not the UN. Second, if they attack Turkey I'd be very surprised...
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3. Today’s un-birthday boy….
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Wilhelm Canaris, in full
Wilhelm Franz Canaris, (born January 1, 1887, Aplerbeck, Westphalia, Germany—died April 9, 1945,
Flossenbürg concentration camp, Bavaria),
German admiral, head of military intelligence (Abwehr) under the Nazi regime and a key participant in the resistance of military officers to
Adolf Hitler.
Believing that the Nazi regime would ultimately destroy traditional conservative values and that its foreign ambitions were dangerous to Germany, he enlisted some of the anti-Hitler conspirators into the Abwehr and shielded their activities.
Britannica.com
4. Britain's intelligence chief said this about Canaris: 'It is said that
had it not been for the Foreign Office's fear of offending Russia that he might have established direct contact with the admiral [Canaris] in 1942 on the removal of Hitler as a means of shortening the war."
“Gen. Menzies, Ex-British Intelligence Chief, Dies,” New York Times, May 31, 1968.
Did you see the date:
1942. When did the war with Germany finally end?
"May 7, 1945: Germany surrenders unconditionally to the Allies at Reims"
Germany surrenders unconditionally to the Allies at Reims ? History.com This Day in History ? 5/7/1945
What prevented an earlier conclusion to the war?
"... fear of offending Russia..."
Fear of offending, it seems to me, suggests a relationship with one's superiors....
….Roosevelt considered Stalin his superior.
5. "Admiral Wilhelm Canaris. The head of the German Secret Service told Earle there were many sensible German people feeling that
Hitler was leading their nation down a destructive path. Admiral Canaris continued that an honorable
surrender from the German army to the American forces could be arranged."
Wilhelm Canaris
First off, thanks for including my quote. I think of you often too. Second, Naziis are not socialists or leftists, they are nationalists. They
outlawed and rounded up communists and socialists as soon as they took power. You do love that lie.
As for killing Hitler. What would have happened if Hitler was assassinated? Germany surrenders? Germany fights on under a new Nazi leader (Goering?)? We'll never know but I do appreciate you saying the Brits feared offending the Russians so obviously "Roosevelt considered Stalin his superior". Quite the leap of fantasy, even for you.
" Naziis (sic) are not socialists"
Did I mention that your lack of geopolitical knowledge is a result of government schooling, and dearth of reading?
Nazi is an abbreviation of NationalSOCIALISTWorker's Party....dope.
1.'Thanks' to government schooling, the tool of Liberals, many have been taught that communism and Nazism differed in any way other than a late-stage hatred of each other, has been played for a fool
Both are maniacal, and both are Leftwing.
2. The great significance of the revealed Nazi concentration camps, the Holocaust, was that post-war, the Democrats/Progressives could no longer idolize and identify with the Nazis, Fascists......only the Soviet Communists.
And, along with Stalin, the Democrat media now pretended that the Nazis were actually Rightwing.....when even their name included 'socialist.'
"Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists."
Vladimir Bukovsky.
Stood for every program the Democrat Party stands for.
3. So the Left did exactly what Orwell had the Big Brother folks do.....lie about the opposition. And Democrats continue in that mode.
American progressives, for the most part, did not disavow fascism until the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust became manifest during World War II. After the war, those progressives who had praised Mussolini and Hitler in the 1920s and 1930s had no choice but to dissociate themselves from fascism.
“Accordingly,” writes Jonah Goldberg, “leftist intellectuals redefined fascism as 'right-wing' and projected their own sins onto conservatives, even as they continued to borrow heavily from fascist and pre-fascist thought.” This progressive campaign to recast fascism as the "right-wing" antithesis of communism was aided by Joseph Stalin, ....
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1223
4. A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...
Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." November 27, 1925.
Lenin, communist...Hitler, NationalSocialist..... "
the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...."
5.
Hitler and Stalin were allies up until June 21, 1941,
Stalin provided the resources for the Blitzkrieg of Hitler, and both attacked Poland, one from each side.
September 1, 1939, Hitler attacked Poland....on September 17, Stalin attacks from the East. The Soviet radio transmitter in Minsk guided the Nazi bombers attacking Polish cities.
Newsreel footage showed the Red Army in Nazi helmets, marching side by side with the SS. One photo shows the hammer and sickle along side the swastika.
6. "As you may be able to guess from the Cyrillic writing accompanying it, it was a Soviet Swastika -- used by the Red Army in its early days. It was worn as a shoulder patch by some Soviet troops. The Swastika too was a socialist symbol long before Hitler became influential. Prewar socialists (including some American socialists) used it on the grounds that it has two arms representing two entwined letters "S" (for "Socialist"). So even Hitler's symbolism was Leftist."
HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST
Two Leftist programs, allies.
Have I mentioned that you have the intellectual acumen of Plum Pudding????
Consider it mentioned.
And proven.
Did you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it?
Anyone who has been on political Twitter in the past decade has seen a version of this syllogism. Conservatives, seeking to escape the “fascist” and “Nazi” labels tossed at them by leftist critics since the 1960s, have turned the tables. Books such as Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” have noted that many leading fascists, such as Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, started out as socialists, just as many early 20th-century “progressives” embraced eugenic ideas ultimately linked to Nazi racist genocide. This connection has become a silver bullet for voices on the right like Dinesh D’Souza and Candace Owens: Not only is the reviled left, embodied in 2020 by figures like Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Elizabeth Warren, a dangerous descendant of the Nazis, but anyone who opposes it can’t possibly have ties to the Nazis’ odious ideas.
There is only one problem: This argument is untrue. Although the Nazis did pursue a level of government intervention in the economy that would shock doctrinaire free marketeers, their “socialism” was at best a secondary element in their appeal. Indeed, most supporters of Nazism embraced the party precisely because they saw it as an enemy of and an alternative to the political left. A closer look at the connection between Nazism and socialism can help us better understand both ideologies in their historical contexts and their significance for contemporary politics.
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The Nazi regime had little to do with socialism, despite it being prominently included in the name of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. The NSDAP, from Hitler on down, struggled with the political implications of having socialism in the party name. Some early Nazi leaders, such as Gregor and Otto Strasser, appealed to working-class resentments, hoping to wean German workers away from their attachment to existing socialist and communist parties. The NSDAP’s 1920 party program, the 25 points, included passages denouncing banks, department stores and “interest slavery,” which suggested a quasi-Marxist rejection of free markets. But these were also typical criticisms in the anti-Semitic playbook, which provided a clue that the party’s overriding ideological goal wasn’t a fundamental challenge to private property.
Instead of controlling the means of production or redistributing wealth to build a utopian society, the Nazis focused on safeguarding a social and racial hierarchy. They promised solidarity for members of the Volksgemeinschaft (“racial community”) even as they denied rights to those outside the charmed circle.
Additionally, while the Nazis tried to appeal to voters across the spectrum, the party’s founders and initial base were small-business men and artisans, not the industrial proletariat of Marxist lore. Their first notable electoral successes were in small towns and Protestant rural areas in present-day Thuringia and Saxony, among voters suspicious of cosmopolitan, secular cities who associated both “socialism” and “capitalism” with Jews and foreigners.
This fear of social revolution and a sense that democracy, with its cacophony of voices and the need for compromises, would threaten their preferred social hierarchy gave Nazism its appeal with these voters — even if it meant sacrificing democracy. While Communists abetted the destruction of German democracy, seeing it as a way to eventually produce the revolution they wanted, the only German political party that consistently resisted Nazi arguments, the Social Democratic Party (SPD), offered another sign of the discontinuity between socialism and Nazism.
Those outside Germany who embraced Nazi ideas were also generally anti-leftists. When Frenchmen murmured “Better Hitler than [Socialist Party Leader and Prime Minister Léon] Blum,” they were well aware what National Socialism represented, and it was most emphatically not “socialism.” When many of those same Frenchmen set up the puppet Vichy government in 1940, they did so under the banner of “Travail, famille, patrie,” (Work, family fatherland), happy to use state resources to support their idea of authentic Frenchmen — even as they criticized capitalism for providing benefits to people they didn’t view as French.
Unlike much of the European left, many conservatives proved willing to work with Nazis — something they later regretted — an association that tainted postwar European conservatism. When it came time to rebuild European politics after the war, therefore, it fell to center-left parties such as Labour in Britain, the Socialists in France and the SPD in Germany, which abandoned rigid Marxist doctrines, alongside the new center-right movement of Christian Democracy, which rejected traditional nationalism, to take up the challenge. This was the hour of the welfare state, supported by social and Christian Democrats, which encouraged social solidarity within a democratic and capitalist framework.
Despite this reality, linking socialism and Nazism to critique leftist ideas became a political weapon in the post-World War II period, perhaps unsurprisingly given that the Cold War followed directly on the heels of World War II. Scholars as diverse as Zbigniew Brzezinski and Hannah Arendt used the larger concept of “totalitarianism” to fuse the two. This formula made it easier for Americans to slip comfortably from considering the Soviet Union a wartime ally to recognizing it as an existential threat. Totalitarianism emphasized the structural similarities and violent practices of Nazi and Stalinist regimes.
This concept, however, proved controversial as an explanation of the origins or subsequent appeal of either communism or Nazism/fascism. Although Hitler and Stalin had cooperated in an effort to conquer Eastern Europe in 1939 to 1941, this was more a marriage of convenience than a byproduct of ideological synergy. Indeed, the two sides eventually fought a genocidal war against each other.
Austrian economist and future Nobel laureate Friedrich von Hayek added an extra layer to the conversation about socialism and Nazism with his 1943 bestseller, “The Road to Serfdom.” As a staunch free marketeer, Hayek was appalled by the rise of economic planning in democratic states, embodied by Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal. Hayek warned that any government intervention in the market eroded freedom, eventually leading to some form of dictatorship.
Hayek was enormously influential across the globe within the rising conservative movement during the second half of the 20th century. He advised future leaders such as Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, and his book became foundational for the right. Hayek’s assertion that all government interventions in the economy led to totalitarianism continues to animate popular works such as D’Souza’s “The Big Lie,” reinforcing the idea that the welfare state is a gateway drug to genocide.
But while these ideas may make sense to free market purists, the history shows that it was the parties that arose in reaction to the Nazi horrors that built such welfare states. Denouncing their programs as “socialism” or warning of a tie between the two is nothing less than historical and political sophistry that attempts to turn effect into cause and victim into victimizer.
Historical analogies have a useful purpose to simplify and clarify, but they work best when used carefully. As manifest problems with global capitalism, as well as political gridlock, encourage a new hunger for fundamental political transformation, it is especially important that we understand the tragic decisions of the 1930s and their consequences in their full context, rather than simply transposing words from the past onto the debates of the present.
National Socialism preserved private property, while also putting the entire resources of society at the service of an expansionist and racist national vision, which included the conquest and murderous subjugation of other peoples. It makes no sense to think that the sole, or even the primary, negative aspect of this regime was the fact that it used state power to allocate financial resources. It makes as little sense to suggest that using state power to allocate some financial resources today will automatically result in the same dire consequences.
Historical “gotcha” threatens to reduce our political conversations to meaninglessness, and we should resist it. Debates over the proper role of the state in protecting citizens against the negative exigencies of the market are necessarily complex. Finding the proper balance of interests within a democratic political order depends on the measurement of results, not on the power of magic words to devalue competing ideas.
Ronald Granieri
Ronald J. Granieri is director of the Center for the Study of America and the West at the Foreign Policy Research Institute and director of research at the University of Pennsylvania's Lauder Institute
