Franklin Roosevelts views of Nazi Germany 1933 through 1938

[JoeB131]

...which is a very good thing, Joe B.

No it isn't.

Israel is a blight that has plunged that region into unending war, because some people want to believe an imaginary sky fairy loves them very best.

We've made ourselves an accomplice to their crimes.

And shit's going to get real when Iran gets the bomb.

 

[Robert W]

FDR met with King Abdul on the USS Quincy. Abdul told him in no uncertain terms a Jewish state in Palestine was unacceptable to most of the Arab world, and FDR agreed.

Then dumb old Harry Truman signed off on it, and here we are, 80 years later, still holding their coat.

You mean FDR caved into an Arab. Sure Arabs hate the Jews just as you hate them. Matter fact I can't name a religion you like.

I once had a potential client who came to me wanting to buy a home. But he already had 2 homes in the city I had my office in. He was born in what you call Palestine. And when his family moved out, he worked as an airline pilot in Egypt. He was angry at the Jews. It ended up his prejudice caused me to quit trying to help him.

I liked Truman at that time. I started voting for your favorite crooks with John Kennedy. Why you left the good party to be a Democrat makes me question you understand history.

Israel would have had peace but the Arabs kept attacking them. Even the current fiasco started by Arabs attacking Israel.

 

[Robert W]

No it isn't.

Israel is a blight that has plunged that region into unending war, because some people want to believe an imaginary sky fairy loves them very best.

We've made ourselves an accomplice to their crimes.

And shit's going to get real when Iran gets the bomb.

You wear blinders. How the hell can you support the actual attackers against Israel?

JoeB131, you remind me most of the communist doctrine.

Think this time. You talk about sky fairies. But just pretend it is a thousand billion years ago. And in the universe was nothing. We have stars, planets and space creations all around. And you think all this happened out of nothing. Makes no sense.

 

[Robert W]

It's an accurate description.

FDR met with King Abdul on the USS Quincy. Abdul told him in no uncertain terms a Jewish state in Palestine was unacceptable to most of the Arab world, and FDR agreed.

Then dumb old Harry Truman signed off on it, and here we are, 80 years later, still holding their coat.

Foreign Relations of the United States: Diplomatic Papers, 1945, The Near East and Africa, Volume VIII​

711.90F/2–1445

Memorandum of Conversation Between the King of Saudi Arabia (Abdul Aziz Al Saud) and President Roosevelt, February 14, 1945, Aboard the U.S.S. “Quincy”5​

February 14, 1945
I
The President asked His Majesty for his advice regarding the problem of Jewish refugees driven from their homes in Europe.6 His Majesty replied that in his opinion the Jews should return to live in the lands from which they were driven. The Jews whose homes were completely destroyed and who have no chance of livelihood in their homelands should be given living space in the Axis countries which oppressed them. The President remarked that Poland might be considered a case in point. The Germans appear to have killed three million Polish Jews, by which count there should be space in Poland for the resettlement of many homeless Jews.
His “Majesty then expounded the case of the Arabs and their legitimate rights in their lands and stated that the Arabs and the Jews could never cooperate, neither in Palestine,7 nor in any other country. His Majesty called attention to the increasing threat to the existence of the Arabs and the crisis which has resulted from continued Jewish immigration and the purchase of land by the Jews. His Majesty further stated that the Arabs would choose to die rather than yield their lands to the Jews.
His Majesty stated that the hope of the Arabs is based upon the word of honor of the Allies and upon the well-known love of justice of the United States, and upon the expectation that the United States will support them.
The President replied that he wished to assure His Majesty that he would do nothing to assist the Jews against the Arabs and would make no move hostile to the Arab people. He reminded His Majesty [Page 3]that it is impossible to prevent speeches and resolutions in Congress or in the press which may be made on any subject. His reassurance concerned his own future policy as Chief Executive of the United States Government.
His Majesty thanked the President for his statement and mentioned the proposal to send an Arab mission to America and England to expound the case of the Arabs and Palestine. The President stated that he thought this was a very good idea because he thought many people in America and England are misinformed. His Majesty said that such a mission to inform the people was useful, but more important to him was what the President had just told him concerning his own policy toward the Arab people.
II
His Majesty stated that the problem of Syria and the Lebanon8 was of deep concern to him and he asked the President what would be the attitude of the United States Government in the event that France should continue to press intolerable demands upon Syria and the Lebanon. The President replied that the French Government had given him in writing their guarantee of the independence of Syria and the Lebanon and that he could at any time write to the French Government to insist that they honor their word. In the event that the French should thwart the independence of Syria and the Lebanon, the United States Government would give to Syria and the Lebanon all possible support short of the use of force.

And to think that my parents supported FDR. He caved into a King he called his majesty.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

JoeB, what is it with you and the Hews.

I like your stuff, as I do Robert W.'s at times.

Share with us, buddy.

 

[JoeB131]

You mean FDR caved into an Arab. Sure Arabs hate the Jews just as you hate them. Matter fact I can't name a religion you like.

Quite right. I am totally against religion on principle.

I once had a potential client who came to me wanting to buy a home. But he already had 2 homes in the city I had my office in. He was born in what you call Palestine. And when his family moved out, he worked as an airline pilot in Egypt. He was angry at the Jews. It ended up his prejudice caused me to quit trying to help him.

Um, okay, here's the thing, let's say that some Chinese took over whatever crappy Mormon town you lived in, took over your land, forced you to live in a slum, routinely attacked your communities, killing women and children. I suspect you'd suddenly hate you some Chinese.

You wear blinders. How the hell can you support the actual attackers against Israel?

They are doing exactly what you or I would do if confronted with a foreign invasion/occupation.

Think this time. You talk about sky fairies. But just pretend it is a thousand billion years ago. And in the universe was nothing. We have stars, planets and space creations all around. And you think all this happened out of nothing. Makes no sense.

Here's the thing about Science. Unlike mythical dieties, it doesn't stop existing because you don't believe in it.

See how that works?

JoeB, what is it with you and the Hews.

I like your stuff, as I do Robert W.'s at times.

Share with us, buddy.

Well, if you paid attention to what I write, you'd see the one through-line is a disdain for religion. Particularly if your religion makes you act like an asshole.

The Zionists are the biggest assholes on the planet.

 

[Robert W]

Um, okay, here's the thing, let's say that some Chinese took over whatever crappy Mormon town you lived in, took over your land, forced you to live in a slum, routinely attacked your communities, killing women and children. I suspect you'd suddenly hate you some Chinese.

You talk like that Arab talked to me. He was a kid when the jews went back home. And Arabs who were reasonable still live in Israel. And they love being there. See what the Arabs did to Gaza. His story to me was not what you claim happened. His story was he and his family wanted to stay in Israel but as outsiders inside the Jews. Chinese and I get along very well. I get along with the Japanese as well. They don't hate my guts.

You know the troubled people? The damned bigots on this forum.

 

[JoeB131]

You talk like that Arab talked to me. He was a kid when the jews went back home. And Arabs who were reasonable still live in Israel. And they love being there. See what the Arabs did to Gaza. His story to me was not what you claim happened. His story was he and his family wanted to stay in Israel but as outsiders inside the Jews. Chinese and I get along very well. I get along with the Japanese as well. They don't hate my guts.

You know the troubled people? The damned bigots on this forum.

Here's the first problem with your statement. the Jews didn't "go back home". Their home was Europe, but they couldn't get along with their fellow Europeans. Zionism from the start was based on a lie, "A land without a people for a people without a land."

The Arabs didn't do anything to Gaza, the Zionists did.

You missed the point of my comparison. It's not about getting along with Chinese, its about the Chinese taking over your land and making you live as a second class citizen in your own country.

Under those circumstances, I suspect you'd be very angry.

 

[Robert W]

Here's the first problem with your statement. the Jews didn't "go back home". Their home was Europe, but they couldn't get along with their fellow Europeans. Zionism from the start was based on a lie, "A land without a people for a people without a land."

The Arabs didn't do anything to Gaza, the Zionists did.

You missed the point of my comparison. It's not about getting along with Chinese, its about the Chinese taking over your land and making you live as a second class citizen in your own country.

Under those circumstances, I suspect you'd be very angry.

No, it is true that Arabs willing to live among Jews, stayed there. There is no excuse for Arabs that hate Jews cross into Israel and murder them. Jews purchased land. I bet you live on property that was claimed by others yourself.

 

[JoeB131]

No, it is true that Arabs willing to live among Jews, stayed there. There is no excuse for Arabs that hate Jews cross into Israel and murder them. Jews purchased land. I bet you live on property that was claimed by others yourself.

Any occupation, you'll always find a quisling....

There's lots of good reasons for the Arabs to hate the Zionists who took over their land.

Your real estate analogy really doesn't hold water. I bought my Condo from a lady who was moving south. What I didn't do is then proceed to treat all the other people in the building as second class citizens in their own building.

 

[Robert W]

Any occupation, you'll always find a quisling....

There's lots of good reasons for the Arabs to hate the Zionists who took over their land.

Your real estate analogy really doesn't hold water. I bought my Condo from a lady who was moving south. What I didn't do is then proceed to treat all the other people in the building as second class citizens in their own building.

JoeB131, you lobby hard for Arabs. But the Romans evicted the Jews and as you live on former tribe land, the Jews came back home. Arabs have treated Jews as intruders, just as you keep doing.

 

[JoeB131]

JoeB131, you lobby hard for Arabs. But the Romans evicted the Jews and as you live on former tribe land, the Jews came back home. Arabs have treated Jews as intruders, just as you keep doing.

I don't lobby hard for Arabs at all. I think we need to stay the hell out of their part of the planet. Stop propping up the Zionists and spend that money we spend playing Hall Monitor on alternative energy.

Problem solved.

The people the Romans evicted are too far removed from modern European Jews.

It would be like me trying to claim a chunk of the Rhineland citing my ancestors worship of Wotan!!!

 

[Robert W]

I don't lobby hard for Arabs at all. I think we need to stay the hell out of their part of the planet. Stop propping up the Zionists and spend that money we spend playing Hall Monitor on alternative energy.

Problem solved.

The people the Romans evicted are too far removed from modern European Jews.

It would be like me trying to claim a chunk of the Rhineland citing my ancestors worship of Wotan!!!

I note you deny lobbying for the Arabs then doing just that for them. Joe, Biden did not send our army or navy to help Israel. You choose to ignore the war path that the Arabs committed to riding to a certain destruction. Problem solved is when Arabs decide to be normal citizens.

 

[JoeB131]

I note you deny lobbying for the Arabs then doing just that for them. Joe, Biden did not send our army or navy to help Israel. You choose to ignore the war path that the Arabs committed to riding to a certain destruction. Problem solved is when Arabs decide to be normal citizens.

Biden gave the Zionist squatters everything they asked for.

Again, you'd do the same thing the Palestinians are doing if Utah or whatever Mormon Shithole you live in was taken over by the Chinese.

 

[Robert W]

Biden gave the Zionist squatters everything they asked for.

Again, you'd do the same thing the Palestinians are doing if Utah or whatever Mormon Shithole you live in was taken over by the Chinese.

I seem to get the worst ever from you Joe B131.

Biden dribbled minor help to Israel. In effect he rewarded the Arabs.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I seem to get the worst ever from you Joe B131.

Biden dribbled minor help to Israel. In effect he rewarded the Arabs.

Not really, Bob. He could have given much more to Israel.

The problem is the mass murder raid. Hamas, all of it, should die.

 

[JoeB131]

I seem to get the worst ever from you Joe B131.

Biden dribbled minor help to Israel. In effect he rewarded the Arabs.

You mean he wouldn't give them really big bombs to kill more women and children. That bastard.

Not really, Bob. He could have given much more to Israel.

The problem is the mass murder raid. Hamas, all of it, should die.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The problem isn't Hamas. The Palestinians choose Hamas because they will fight, as opposed to Fatah, which just collaborates with the Zionists and steals foreign aid money.

 

[mikegriffith1]

No it isn't.

Israel is a blight that has plunged that region into unending war,

Jihad Joe strikes again.

Decent, rational people know that Israel is a shining light of democracy in the Middle East, with a robust free press, a strongly independent judiciary, freedom of speech, a great safety net for the poor, genuine/unrigged democratic elections, etc., etc.

because some people want to believe an imaginary sky fairy loves them very best. We've made ourselves an accomplice to their crimes.

"Crimes"??? What "crimes"??? Watch: Jihad Joe will respond by repeating ISIS/Al Qaeda/neo-Nazi talking points about Israel and the Jews.

And *&$% is going to get real when Iran gets the bomb.

And I'm sure that you and other Hamas-loving/Jew-hating/jihad-peddling lowlifes would love to see Iran's mullahs wipe Israel off the map.

 

[JoeB131]

Decent, rational people know that Israel is a shining light of democracy in the Middle East, with a robust free press, a strongly independent judiciary, freedom of speech, a great safety net for the poor, genuine/unrigged democratic elections, etc., etc.

Really, then why do UN votes look like THIS? Seems most of the world sees the Zionist Entity for what it is.

"Crimes"??? What "crimes"??? Watch: Jihad Joe will respond by repeating ISIS/Al Qaeda/neo-Nazi talking points about Israel and the Jews.

Genocide. Aparthied.

And I'm sure that you and other Hamas-loving/Jew-hating/jihad-peddling lowlifes would love to see Iran's mullahs wipe Israel off the map.

Natural Selection, baby. You dumb, you die.

Living next to a bunch of people who want to murder you is pretty much Darwinism in action.

 

[AZrailwhale]

You mean he wouldn't give them really big bombs to kill more women and children. That bastard.



One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The problem isn't Hamas. The Palestinians choose Hamas because they will fight, as opposed to Fatah, which just collaborates with the Zionists and steals foreign aid money.

That line is bullshit. Terrorists are terrorists no matter who or what they claim to fight for or against.