Franklin Roosevelts views of Nazi Germany 1933 through 1938

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

AZtrailwhite is fun to read.

What a goofus.

 

[AZrailwhale]

You realize the Finns lost the Winter War, right?

Point was, the Navy dumped the Buffalo at the first opportunity because it was a shit aircraft.

Also, the ME-109 was a German Aircraft. Germany and Finland were allies.

The USN stopped using the Buffalo AFTER MIDWAY because there only a few of them made and after all the weight was added, the undercarriage was too weak for carrier operations. Also, the Wildcat was a better aircraft with more room for development. The USN only ordered one hundred sixty-two Buffalos of all models.

 

[Robert W]

Yes, it was brilliant, it worked, and he got elected four times. The end.

You claim to be a brilliant historian. With a degree in History.
Yet you tell us all you were a Republican for a long time.

So if you were so brilliant, why did you vote for Republicans given you hate us?

 

[Robert W]

Give us your source and link, Robert W. for #216.

New Deal - Wikipedia​

 

[Robert W]

You realize the Finns lost the Winter War, right?

Point was, the Navy dumped the Buffalo at the first opportunity because it was a shit aircraft.

Also, the ME-109 was a German Aircraft. Germany and Finland were allies.

Several nations, including Finland, Belgium, Britain and the Netherlands, ordered the Buffalo. The Finns were the most successful with their Buffalos, flying them in combat against early Soviet fighters with excellent results.[4] During the Continuation War of 1941–1944, the B-239s (de-navalized F2A-1s) operated by the Finnish Air Force proved capable of engaging and destroying most types of Soviet fighter aircraft operating against Finland at that time, and claimed in the first phase of that conflict 32 Soviet aircraft shot down for every B-239 lost,[5] producing 36 Buffalo "aces".[6]

 

[JoeB131]

As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. The Finns flew the Buffalos until they couldn’t be made airworthy any more or the end of the war. The Finns preferred the Buffalos to the Me-109s the Germans supplied. The Finns did fight against the Germans getting many kills against Me-109s and Fw-190s after signing a peace treaty with the USSR in September 1944.

Hmmm.... not really. When the Finns settled, they let the Germans leave with all their equipment.

But you do you.

 

[JoeB131]

The USN stopped using the Buffalo AFTER MIDWAY because there only a few of them made and after all the weight was added, the undercarriage was too weak for carrier operations. Also, the Wildcat was a better aircraft with more room for development. The USN only ordered one hundred sixty-two Buffalos of all models.

Because it was a crap plane.

We've been over this.

And we didn't sell enough of them to anyone to end the Depression. The New Deal did that.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The Brewster F2A Buffalo, known as the "American Buffalo," had a mixed record in WWII. Initially, it was considered effective, especially in the hands of the Finnish Air Force1. The Finns achieved remarkable success with the Buffalo, claiming 32 Soviet aircraft shot down for every B-239 lost during the Continuation War (1941-1944). This produced 36 Buffalo "aces" and gave the aircraft a high kill-to-loss ratio1.

However, the Buffalo's performance varied significantly in other theaters. When used by the British Commonwealth and Dutch forces in Southeast Asia, the Buffalo suffered severe losses against the Japanese Mitsubishi A6M Zero and Nakajima Ki-43 "Oscar" due to its inferior maneuverability and speed1.

Overall, while the Buffalo had notable successes, particularly with the Finns, it was generally outclassed by more advanced enemy aircraft as the war progressed.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Hmmm.... not really. When the Finns settled, they let the Germans leave with all their equipment.

But you do you.

Under the terms of the peace treaty with the Soviets, the Finns had to fight the Germans.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Because it was a crap plane.

We've been over this.

And we didn't sell enough of them to anyone to end the Depression. The New Deal did that.

I gave you a partial list of what the DEI BOUGHT from the USA. It was tens of millions of dollars in war supplies, the British and French spent hundreds of millions more. Most of what the French paid for was never delivered and handed over to the British, Free French and Australians. But you go on with your delusional posts, it's what you always do.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I gave you a partial list of what the DEI BOUGHT from the USA. It was tens of millions of dollars in war supplies, the British and French spent hundreds of millions more. Most of what the French paid for was never delivered and handed over to the British, Free French and Australians. But you go on with your delusional posts, it's what you always do.

That had no bearing on the capital losses and gains of the GD.

Why would you think so?

 

[JoeB131]

Under the terms of the peace treaty with the Soviets, the Finns had to fight the Germans.

Um... yeah. I guess. Just like Brazil had to fight the Germans, I guess.

I gave you a partial list of what the DEI BOUGHT from the USA. It was tens of millions of dollars in war supplies,

Um, okay. GDP at 101 Billion in 1940. Tens of millions was a fart in the wind.

Kind of like most of your posts, come to think of it.

 

[mikegriffith1]

An interesting bit of history: We read in Dr. Kai Bird's excellent biography of Jimmy Carter, The Outlier, that one reason American Jewish leaders were initially so skeptical of Carter's Middle East peace effort was that they felt that FDR had "bamboozled" Jewish leaders during WWII when they urged him to markedly increase Jewish immigration quotas (FDR stalled eventually refused to do so).

 

[JoeB131]

An interesting bit of history: We read in Dr. Kai Bird's excellent biography of Jimmy Carter, The Outlier, that one reason American Jewish leaders were initially so skeptical of Carter's Middle East peace effort was that they felt that FDR had "bamboozled" Jewish leaders during WWII when they urged him to markedly increase Jewish immigration quotas (FDR stalled eventually refused to do so).

You say that like it was a bad thing.

If FDR had lived, we'd have never gotten ourselves entangled with the Zionist Entity running our politics.

 

[Robert W]

You say that like it was a bad thing.

If FDR had lived, we'd have never gotten ourselves entangled with the Zionist Entity running our politics.

Whomever taught you history must be flopping it's grave. Jew haters always come up with this nonsense "Zionists."

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Yes, it was brilliant, it worked, and he got elected four times. The end.



That selling obsolete Buffalos to finland didn't end the great depression, I guess. AZ has taken the discussion down so many rabbit holes I'm not even sure anymore.

Debutante Democrats

The only reason Democrats glorify the New Deal is so they can claim that the Great Society is an extension of it. One worked, the other has been a disaster. It was applied to the wrong people by the wrong people.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Um... yeah. I guess. Just like Brazil had to fight the Germans, I guess.



Um, okay. GDP at 101 Billion in 1940. Tens of millions was a fart in the wind.

Kind of like most of your posts, come to think of it.

Brazil didn't have top fight the Germans, it chose to join the Allies.

 

[Robert W]

Debutante Democrats

The only reason Democrats glorify the New Deal is so they can claim that the Great Society is an extension of it. One worked, the other has been a disaster. It was applied to the wrong people by the wrong people.

The Great Society was very attractive until I understood and made my move to changing to a Republican. I am not a bit disappointed with Republicans.

 

[JoeB131]

Whomever taught you history must be flopping it's grave. Jew haters always come up with this nonsense "Zionists."

It's an accurate description.

FDR met with King Abdul on the USS Quincy. Abdul told him in no uncertain terms a Jewish state in Palestine was unacceptable to most of the Arab world, and FDR agreed.

Then dumb old Harry Truman signed off on it, and here we are, 80 years later, still holding their coat.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

...which is a very good thing, Joe B.