Franklin Roosevelts views of Nazi Germany 1933 through 1938

[JoeB131]

That line is bullshit. Terrorists are terrorists no matter who or what they claim to fight for or against.

King George considered the founding fathers to be terrorists.
Apartheid South Africa considered Mandela to be a terrorist.
Biden considered the J-6 assholes to be terrorists.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

 

[AZrailwhale]

King George considered the founding fathers to be terrorists.
Apartheid South Africa considered Mandela to be a terrorist.
Biden considered the J-6 assholes to be terrorists.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Wrong, the founding fathers were REBELS, not terrorists. If they had lost, they would have been hung, drawn and quartered. The British never accused them of terrorism. On the other hand Banastre Tarleton was a terrorist who massacred surrendered colonials at the Battle of Wexhaws, and looted food, livestock, horses and other supplies from both Tory and Patriot civilians in Virginia.

 

[AZrailwhale]

King George considered the founding fathers to be terrorists.
Apartheid South Africa considered Mandela to be a terrorist.
Biden considered the J-6 assholes to be terrorists.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Mandela was a leader of the ANC which was a terrorist organization.

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong, the founding fathers were REBELS, not terrorists. If they had lost, they would have been hung, drawn and quartered. The British never accused them of terrorism. On the other hand Banastre Tarleton was a terrorist who massacred surrendered colonials at the Battle of Wexhaws, and looted food, livestock, horses and other supplies from both Tory and Patriot civilians in Virginia.

Well, that's because the word "Terrorist" didn't enter the lexicon until after the French Revolution.

This guy Tarleton sounds more like a bandit than a terrorist. Doing a quick Wiki Search, he was eventually elected to Parliament and had a pretty decent career after the war.

Mandela was a leader of the ANC which was a terrorist organization.

According to the Apartheid government.
Yet he was recognized as a freedom fighter and eventually become president of South Africa after Apartheid collapsed.

You are kind of proving my point.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Well, that's because the word "Terrorist" didn't enter the lexicon until after the French Revolution.

This guy Tarleton sounds more like a bandit than a terrorist. Doing a quick Wiki Search, he was eventually elected to Parliament and had a pretty decent career after the war.



According to the Apartheid government.
Yet he was recognized as a freedom fighter and eventually become president of South Africa after Apartheid collapsed.

You are kind of proving my point.

No, the ANC IS the government of South Africa, of course one of its leaders would be elected president.

 

[JoeB131]

No, the ANC IS the government of South Africa, of course one of its leaders would be elected president.

So they aren't terrorists if they are elected as the government, right?

Come on, guy, you are making my point.

The majority of South Africans who voted for Mandella (once they were allowed to vote, that is), Mandella was a freedom fighter.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Wrong, the founding fathers were REBELS, not terrorists. If they had lost, they would have been hung, drawn and quartered. The British never accused them of terrorism. On the other hand Banastre Tarleton was a terrorist who massacred surrendered colonials at the Battle of Wexhaws, and looted food, livestock, horses and other supplies from both Tory and Patriot civilians in Virginia.

Of course, you're correct, and Jihad JoeB131 is wrong, as usual. I see that, after consulting Wikipedia, Jihad Joe has responded to you by claiming that Banastre Tarleton was merely a "bandit," and that, gee, Tarleton had "a pretty decent career" after the war. Tarleton, as you correctly note, murdered prisoners of war, which is why he was commonly nicknamed "Ban the Butcher" and "Bloody Tarleton." He was arguably a sociopath. He once bragged, in writing, that if he could get away with it, he would give "no quarter" to any Patriot fighters. He was much worse than a bandit.

As for the curious point that Tarleton had a "pretty decent career" after the war, well, gee, a number of vile Nazi and Japanese war criminals had "pretty decent careers" after WWII, as did many Soviet and Chinese Communist war criminals! Heck, some of North Vietnam's vicious leaders were some of the worst war criminals in human history, but they enjoyed successful careers and lives of comfort and ease while they imposed misery on tens of millions of Vietnamese after the Vietnam War.

 

[JoeB131]

Of course, you're correct, and Jihad JoeB131 is wrong, as usual. I see that, after consulting Wikipedia, Jihad Joe has responded to you by claiming that Banastre Tarleton was merely a "bandit," and that, gee, Tarleton had "a pretty decent career" after the war. Tarleton, as you correctly note, murdered prisoners of war, which is why he was commonly nicknamed "Ban the Butcher" and "Bloody Tarleton." He was arguably a sociopath. He once bragged, in writing, that if he could get away with it, he would give "no quarter" to any Patriot fighters. He was much worse than a bandit.

Okay, this is a big so what. War is Hell, and war crime trials are the winners punishing the losers. The Rebels didn't win enough to punish the losers, that was the thing.

Most military leaders in war are sociopaths. Patton was a sociopath. Rommel was a sociopath. Zhukov was a sociopath. You have to be to kill that many people and still be able to sleep at night.

As for the curious point that Tarleton had a "pretty decent career" after the war, well, gee, a number of vile Nazi and Japanese war criminals had "pretty decent careers" after WWII, as did many Soviet and Chinese Communist war criminals! Heck, some of North Vietnam's vicious leaders were some of the worst war criminals in human history, but they enjoyed successful careers and lives of comfort and ease while they imposed misery on tens of millions of Vietnamese after the Vietnam War.

Wow, guy, really?

Here's why those NV leaders had great careers. They were national Heroes who had fought against the French, the Japanese, the Americans and if they hung around long enough, the Chinese in 1979.

Vietnam would have been a much happier place if we didn't try bombing it back into the stone age to get them to pick a form of government we liked. The guys who should have been tried as war criminals were LBJ, Nixon, and Westmoreland.