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Lend-Lease tanks and aircrafts​

Lend-Lease tanks and aircraft for the Red Army 1941 to 1945.
Figures of supplied armored vehicle and aircraft types from the United States and Britain to Soviet Union during the Second World War.
P39-Kingcobras-for-Russia-px800.jpg


Bell’s plant at Buffalo delivered well over 2,000 P-63 Kingcobra to Russia, where they stood up well to the harsh environment.
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A total of 22,800 armored vehicles were delivered to the Red Army during World War II, of which 1,981 were lost in dangerous Arctic convoys. These deliveries represented about 20 percent of the total number of armored vehicles produced by Russia during the war. Specifically, this was 16 per cent of Russian main battle tanks, 12 per cent of Russian self-propelled gun carriages and tank destroyers, and 100 per cent of Russian infantry fighting vehicles, as Russia did not manufacture any armored infantry fighting vehicles during the Second World War.
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Of much more decisive importance for Russian warfare, however, were the deliveries of motor vehicles, especially from the United States. During the Second World War, Russia built only 343,624 cars and trucks, since the major automobile manufacturers, such as the GAZ factories, were used to manufacture armored combat vehicles. The USA alone supplied the Russians with 501,660 tactical wheeled and tracked vehicles, including 77,972 Jeeps, 151,053 1.5 t trucks and 200,622 2.5 t trucks.

This assistance was crucial, not only because of the enormous quantity, but also because of its quality. While the Russian automotive industry focused exclusively on the production of obsolete copies of American civilian trucks from the 1930s, the vehicles provided under the lend-lease agreement were modern military designs with multiple drive axles and functional off-road capability.

In addition, 15,631 guns and 131,633 submachine guns were supplied to Russia by the Allies.
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Lend Lease Aircraft​

The disastrous course of the initial Russian response to the German invasion, and the resulting enormous losses suffered by the Red Air Force, made it necessary for the Allies to provide massive reinforcements until Soviet industry could produce modern aircraft in large quantities. The first foreign aeroplanes to arrive were two squadrons of Hawker Hurricane fighters, which were flown in combat by RAF pilots in the autumn of 1941 and then handed over to the Russians (see picture on the right).
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Under the Lend-Lease act large numbers of American aircraft were assigned to Russia. A total of 14,833 US aircraft of all types were sent to Russia between 1942 and 1944.
Russian aircraft production 1942-1944 was 42,427 fighters and 11,797 bombers (additional 30,506 ground attack planes), which results that approximately 20 per cent of the fighters and 30 per cent of the bombers of the Red Air Force were American-built and approx. 10 per cent of the fighters were British-built.


Russian aviation made full use of American and British aid throughout the war, in many cases using Western aircraft as the basis for new Russian designs. A number of American types, notably the Douglas C-47 Dakota and Boeing B-29 Superfortess, were simply copied without permission.
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This link/article also lists the numerous types and their quantities of combat vehicles and aircraft.
 

Lend-Lease tanks and aircrafts​

Lend-Lease tanks and aircraft for the Red Army 1941 to 1945.
Figures of supplied armored vehicle and aircraft types from the United States and Britain to Soviet Union during the Second World War.
P39-Kingcobras-for-Russia-px800.jpg


Bell’s plant at Buffalo delivered well over 2,000 P-63 Kingcobra to Russia, where they stood up well to the harsh environment.
...
A total of 22,800 armored vehicles were delivered to the Red Army during World War II, of which 1,981 were lost in dangerous Arctic convoys. These deliveries represented about 20 percent of the total number of armored vehicles produced by Russia during the war. Specifically, this was 16 per cent of Russian main battle tanks, 12 per cent of Russian self-propelled gun carriages and tank destroyers, and 100 per cent of Russian infantry fighting vehicles, as Russia did not manufacture any armored infantry fighting vehicles during the Second World War.
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Of much more decisive importance for Russian warfare, however, were the deliveries of motor vehicles, especially from the United States. During the Second World War, Russia built only 343,624 cars and trucks, since the major automobile manufacturers, such as the GAZ factories, were used to manufacture armored combat vehicles. The USA alone supplied the Russians with 501,660 tactical wheeled and tracked vehicles, including 77,972 Jeeps, 151,053 1.5 t trucks and 200,622 2.5 t trucks.

This assistance was crucial, not only because of the enormous quantity, but also because of its quality. While the Russian automotive industry focused exclusively on the production of obsolete copies of American civilian trucks from the 1930s, the vehicles provided under the lend-lease agreement were modern military designs with multiple drive axles and functional off-road capability.

In addition, 15,631 guns and 131,633 submachine guns were supplied to Russia by the Allies.
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Lend Lease Aircraft​

The disastrous course of the initial Russian response to the German invasion, and the resulting enormous losses suffered by the Red Air Force, made it necessary for the Allies to provide massive reinforcements until Soviet industry could produce modern aircraft in large quantities. The first foreign aeroplanes to arrive were two squadrons of Hawker Hurricane fighters, which were flown in combat by RAF pilots in the autumn of 1941 and then handed over to the Russians (see picture on the right).
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Under the Lend-Lease act large numbers of American aircraft were assigned to Russia. A total of 14,833 US aircraft of all types were sent to Russia between 1942 and 1944.
Russian aircraft production 1942-1944 was 42,427 fighters and 11,797 bombers (additional 30,506 ground attack planes), which results that approximately 20 per cent of the fighters and 30 per cent of the bombers of the Red Air Force were American-built and approx. 10 per cent of the fighters were British-built.


Russian aviation made full use of American and British aid throughout the war, in many cases using Western aircraft as the basis for new Russian designs. A number of American types, notably the Douglas C-47 Dakota and Boeing B-29 Superfortess, were simply copied without permission.
...

This link/article also lists the numerous types and their quantities of combat vehicles and aircraft.
Cool, how many did they get by January 1942 by which time the Germans were screwed.... Usually they say the advent of the T34 tank was the difference.... I'm guessing another 10 million dead might have been what happened ....
 
No, completely conspiracy.

How else do you explain the nonsense of accusing me and others of being both "Far Right GOP", and "Stalin Lovers" at the same time?

Are you even aware how nonsensical that is?

That is like the people who believe in Controlled Demolition linking arm in arm with those that believe in Radio Controlled Drones on 9/11. Does not matter that their beliefs are the exact opposite of each other, all Conspiracy Theorists must link arms in solidarity when faced with those evil "There was no conspiracy" types.

Conspiracy or not, both you and PC attack anybody using the exact same tactics and talking that is seen down in the Conspiracy Theory area.
I never said you were a Stalin lover, try and keep us apart, this is the first time I have agreed with her ever.
 
BS. so they would have had another 10 million dead. They didn't give a damn.... 80% of the Nazi war effort was always against Russia....
Would seem you and Political Chick are long overdue to read (and re-read) Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" and digest it's many essential principles.

BTW, that was 80% of German ground forces. Their naval forces focused almost entirely to the West, as did an increasing number/percentage of the air forces and air defenses.
 
Cool, how many did they get by January 1942 by which time the Germans were screwed.... Usually they say the advent of the T34 tank was the difference.... I'm guessing another 10 million dead might have been what happened ....
Read for yourself and see.

If German's were screwed in Russia by January 1942, why did they continue more successful attacks and territory gains going into 1943?

Best case for "German's screwed in Russia" would be the battle of Kursk, @ July 1943. Even then, there were better options of holding and delaying defense than were employed afterward. Especially if Hitler could have been prevented from his micro-managing.
 
Sorry my computer had a breakdown, that's your quote. Of course the southern strategy was to go to Germany and also to stop the Russians from taking over the Balkans and Greece.

There are roads through passes into Austria, it is possible we could have done a bridge too far operation there....

So who have you voted for in the past four elections for president. I voted for one GOP in my life Frankie vitagliano here in my hometown, which by the way voted 72% trump and they are my friends, even if they believe all that crap. Politically they are a disgrace.
Not enough roads and passes to sustain the sort of miltary force and operations that would be needed. Plus the time factors in getting amphibious landings further into Axis held territory, establishing ports and off-load areas, assembling forces and pushing through. Russia would be winning more of the war and gaining more territory by then.

"a bridge too far operation" more accurately know as Operation Market-Garden, which you should know if you are the historian you claim to be.

This going through mostly flat terrain, not mountains;
Was along paved roads (rare in Balkans, etc. at that time);
Not too far from supply sources or having a long logistics tail;
Objectives within range of the air transport to carry forces to the landing/drop zones.
Only involved crossing rivers via seized bridges, not having to construct such.

Such was the plan anyway. As often occurs, too many "if's" needing to go right, too much chance for "Best laid plans oft go awry".

Operation Market Garden - Wikipedia

Operation Market Garden | Description & Facts | Britannica

Operation Market Garden | World War 2 Facts

Operation Market Garden | National Army Museum

Operation Market-Garden | Article | The United States Army

7 Ways World War II's Operation Market Garden Went Wrong - HISTOR

 
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Sorry my computer had a breakdown, that's your quote. Of course the southern strategy was to go to Germany and also to stop the Russians from taking over the Balkans and Greece.

There are roads through passes into Austria, it is possible we could have done a bridge too far operation there....

So who have you voted for in the past four elections for president. I voted for one GOP in my life Frankie vitagliano here in my hometown, which by the way voted 72% trump and they are my friends, even if they believe all that crap. Politically they are a disgrace.
Actually, if Stalin was to have his way, and he and the communists had the unchecked control of FDR and company, making them unquestioning and compliant puppets, then getting distracted by efforts into the Balkans and Greece, rather than landing in France(Overlord) would have let Russia take all of Germany*, and likely further West beyond.

I.e. your hair-brain scheme gives even more and more useful part of Europe to the Soviets than what Balkans and Greece would have provided.

Perhaps you and Political Chic are also unwitting dupes of Soviet schemes and plans, aggressions. ???

* And get all of the "German rocket scientists" and other advanced technology projects that German was working on.
 
More articles on Lend-Lease;

Lend-Lease - Wikipedia

Russia's Life-Saver: Lend-Lease Aid to the U.S.S.R. in World War II ...

'We Would Have Lost': Did U.S. Lend-Lease Aid Tip The Balance In Sovi

Lend-Lease: How American supplies aided the USSR in its ... - Russia B

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Nationalist China also received Lend-Lease during the war. Chinese communist forces did not, but if Stalin really had his sway, that would have been reversed.

Also, the USA and others wouldn't have fought Communist expansion immediately after the war in parts of Europe, SE Asia (IndoChina), Korea, and other places.
 
The Ger
Westwall thinks Vichy was around in 1944 and doesn't know the Americans had already taken the whole peninsula of Italy before they got Rome and things got easier.
Mands
I quoted Eisenhower and his considered opinion.



Churchill repeatedly proposed an attack via already established Allied bases in Italy, and expanding operations from the Adriatic and Aegean Seas into south central Europe, Stalin wanted Eastern and Central Europe left open to millions of Red Army troops. "The D-Day invasion was forced on a reluctant Churchill by the Americans..... pressed instead for a strategy focused on the Mediterranean, pushing through the "soft underbelly" of southern Europe, over the Alps and through the Balkans. The Americans prevailed because they provided an increasingly larger share of the forces and funding.... Roosevelt dispatched Marshall and presidential envoy Harry Hopkins to London to sell the idea to the British." Churchill’s Southern Strategy - Air Force Magazine







In Tehran, Roosevelt sided with Stalin. Churchill was beside himself! It was at Tehran that Churchill realized that to help the countries of Eastern Europe, he had to get there before the Red Army.

Lord Moran "Churchill: Taken from the Diaries of Lord Moran," p. 155



Yes, and Churchill also put together the failed Galippoli campaign. Ike was a leader of the anti soldier campaign in DC.

They were able politicians, but terrible stratagists.
 
Actually, if Stalin was to have his way, and he and the communists had the unchecked control of FDR and company, making them unquestioning and compliant puppets, then getting distracted by efforts into the Balkans and Greece, rather than landing in France(Overlord) would have let Russia take all of Germany*, and likely further West beyond.

I.e. your hair-brain scheme gives even more and more useful part of Europe to the Soviets than what Balkans and Greece would have provided.

Perhaps you and Political Chic are also unwitting dupes of Soviet schemes and plans, aggressions. ???

* And get all of the "German rocket scientists" and other advanced technology projects that German was working on.
Did you figure out yet that I don't believe the Stalin FDR conspiracy duh?
 
Ultra and 'secrets' it revealed come in a somewhat distant third in these regards

Especially in Europe. But I am going to use "Enigma", as that is the code for cracking German and Italian codes as they also used a variant of the Enigma system. Japanese codes were broken under "Magic", and "Ultra" is the program for deciphering all codes of the Axis powers (primarily Germany, Italy, and Japan).

The biggest advantage of Enigma was more general. Other than use in tracking German U-boats, it's use was very limited. Especially as Germany could use land lines and human couriers for highly classified information. It was much more useful against the subs, as all traffic to and from them was via radio. So when Germany ordered a sub group to converge at a location to wait for a convoy, the sub chasers could be in place waiting for them.

But on the ground, its use was much less effective. For example, many of the signals gathered and decoded revealed that the Germans were completely fooled by "Operation Bodyguard", and therefore the green light for Operation Overlord was given. Without that intelligence, D-day might not have happened. There was other intelligence gathered of course, but it was often of a more administrative nature, and not really useful on the battlefield.

Now for the Magic portion of Ultra, it was very useful. The Japanese used much more radio traffic because their forces were largely naval and scattered on many islands. And in several operations it was crucial to winning the engagement. The Battles of Coral Sea and Midway are prime examples, as well as the killing of Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto {"Operation Vengeance") are perfect examples of the use of Magic to determine the outcome of the battle.

Which is why when talking about the Pacific War, I often will use the phrase "AF is short on water". Where the US set the perfect "Canary Trap" and the Japanese fell right into it.
 
And as far as I am concerned, they were welcome to it. That was actually a smart move.

The Occupation Zones had already been established at the Yalta Conference back in February, so it did not matter who took the city, the occupation zones were already set.

And the Battle of Berlin cost the Soviets well over 350,000 casualties. Over 81,000 killed. So as far as I am concerned, they are more then welcome to absorb all of that, better them than us.

So wait a minute, do you really believe that Stalin "gave orders" to FDR, knowing that he would lose over a quarter of a million of his own forces, and none would be lost by the US and UK? Wow, if that is your claim, then FDR was a freaking genius. He allowed Stalin to fool himself into killing a huge number of his forces, for no gain.
Communism Is When the Government Owns All the Businesses; Capitalism Is When All the Businessmen Own the Government

All this reaching and ridiculous blaming of FDR is a cover for the resentment that the Far Far Right feels because they want an absolute dictatorship by their hereditary plutocracy. They are just as anti-American as the Leftist extremists. There are no more FDR Democrats, so these bootlickers of the Plutes Who Wear the Boots are spouting silly anachronisms.
 
I guess however PoliticalChic would be happy if we had another 100,000 or more US deaths and casualties.
The Yellow Yell, and Hollow Fools Follow Them

Why shouldn't PC be happy with 100,000 more American casualties? Her heroes never have to fight. Look at how few Preppies served in Vietnam, or even had to do active duty.

The Vietnam war was just as honorable and winnable as World War Two. Mind-control by those who weaseled out of doing their patriotic duty is the only reason that war has such a sorry reputation.
 
I see.

You are aware that Il Douche was not only a radical Communist, he was actually the publisher of the official Communist newspaper and one of the leaders of the Italian Communist Party before he was excommunicated, are you not? Not for anything against Communism itself, but because he believed that National Sovereignty was more important than blind obedience to an "International Soviet". It was after that where he developed "Fascism", which was Socialism, but with a Nationalist Bend instead of an Internationalist one.

And he was the idol of Anton Drexler, but a failed artist and Corporal from Austria that was sent to investigate the new party in Germany.

If you think that The NSDAP and Italian Fascist Party were not Socialist, then you are a fool. Try reading the platform and planks of each party, and they were both radically Socialist.

However, I have already seen that actual history and information is foreign to you. You are all propaganda and crazy beliefs that have no connection with reality. Of course, that is not unusual in most "Socialists-Communists" today, who want to forget that Hitler and Mussolini were once one of their own.
Governing Through Gibberish

Again, all opinions that ignore Birthclass Supremacy are not dealing with the real world. Mussolini couldn't rise in the Socialist Party because his Dad wasn't rich. So he created Fascism, which has nothing at all to do with Socialism.

Neither did the Nazis. Only the ignorant would see any significance in the fact that Hitler's cult of personality called itself "National Socialism."
 
What's funny, is if you look at the amount of supply being brought in, the US Quartermaster Corps. landed more equipment than the Brits did while the Mulberry's were active.

Yanks know how to move stuff!
A Logician in Logistics

Howard Cosell was part of that. Though he never left the United States, he saved more lives that many medal-winners.

In the Pacific, Japanese officers considered that Supply was for losers. That's part of the reason they lost the war.

In Vietnam, our logistics was so confused and inadequate that the joke was that the initials of the Force Service Regiment stood for "Fuckup, Stumble, and Regroup."
 
Again, all opinions that ignore Birthclass Supremacy are not dealing with the real world. Mussolini couldn't rise in the Socialist Party because his Dad wasn't rich. So he created Fascism

Know history?

Ill Douche was the leader of the Italian Communists until 1914.

That is when he was excommunicated because even though he was a Communist, he was also a Nationalist. That is why after he broke away he largely created the European area concept of "National Socialism" (it is not unique to Europe, but he was the founder in that region of the world).

And it does not matter if his dad was rich, he was. Among other things he was the editor and majority owner of one of the largest newspapers in Italy. And he had various levels of ownership in at least 5 other newspapers.

He could not "rise in the Socialist Party" because he was kicked out of it. Because after WWI started, he came to realize that loyalty to ones own country was more important than to a uncaring "International Soviet". So he created a new Socialist Party, but not one bowing down to the "International Soviet", but to Italy itself.
 

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