RetiredGySgt
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Ya? Funny how until about 2005 the South still voted Democrat.IKR? To think the southern strategy would forever move those very same democratic voters to the republican party is pretty amazing. Glad you agree.The only thing you've ever proven is that you are retarded. The confederate losers attacked Ft Sumter first on April 12, 1861 and got their asses beat down in the end.Wrong. I have already proven they didn't. Lincoln invaded Virginia.Hey retard. The confederate losers started the war and they seceded.The federal were fighting to preserve the union, you fucking moron. No one said the Confederacy was. The were trying to secede.That was their reason for secession. I agree. It's undeniable.They were wrong, the reason they left was because of a perceived threat to Slavery when in fact they had as much clout in the Congress as they did BEFORE lincoln was elected and a President alone could not change the Constitution nor state laws. They were worried that 20 years down the line Free States would out number the slave states enough to effect slavery, and instead of fighting politically to prevent that they instead cut their own throats and ended slavery in 3 years not 20.To me Confederate flags honor family members who died honorably fighting bravely for a good cause.
Fighting against the United States of America and in support of maintaining slavery is a good cause?
The simple fact is that the South wanted to self govern. You can argue the reason they wanted to self govern until the cows come home, it really doesn't matter. They no longer recognized the authority of Washington DC just as the USA no longer recognized the authority of the Crown 80 years prior.
To state their cause was "wrong" is to state our cause was wrong in 1776, because they only difference is the USA won it's war for independence.
*Sigh* Read the post again - the REASON is irrelevant. They wanted independence and they fought for it. Same as we did in 1776. If they were "wrong", so were we.You all obviously want that to be the case. That's what the lost cause bullshit was meant to do. To change the narrative.the REASON is irrelevant.
Its not irrelevant. Not at all.
The reason, the self stated reason by the confederate states, is exactly why those monuments and statues are being removed.
Do people have the right to self-determination or not?Apparently the negros didn't.Do people have the right to self-determination or not?
Sure they did. But the vast majority of them chose not to fight for it.
But you didn't answer the question: Do people have the right to self-determination or not?Liar.Sure they did. But the vast majority of them chose not to fight for it.
Your revisionist bullshit isn't gonna fly.
The war, for the confederacy was first and foremost about the preservation of their perceived racial superiority, slavery and the economic advanges thereof. As always, don't take my word for it. Take theirs.
There is nothing else. The fact that the average rube, not unlike yourself, never understood that is irrelevant to the fact that they were indeed fighting toward those ends.
Which of those self stated principles of the confederacy, racial superiority, slavery or the economic exploitation of said slaves through forced labor, deserve continued veneration in American society today?
It was NOT the reason for the war, which was to keep the union together.That was their reason for secession. I agree. It's undeniable.
It was NOT the reason for the war, which was to keep the union together
Derp....
The reason for the confederacy, fool. They weren't fighting to preserve the union. They were fighting to preserve their way of life.
The confederate states threatened civil war for years over the movement toward abolition. They started the war.
How much of a dumbass can you be ?
Yes.....the democrat party fired on The United States, in order to keep Blacks as slaves.........you are correct. Lincoln, the Republican President said he would take no action against the democrat party, who declared separaton from the United States in order to keep Blacks as slaves. Then, the democrat party, being insane assholes that they are to this day, fired on the United States......and started the Civil War, in order to keep Blacks as slaves.