The fallacy of self defence by gun

[WinterBorn]

Blimey, when did you get attacked

Blimey, can you read? Did I say I had been attacked? Or did I describe a hypothetical situation? And, not a far-fetched one, at that.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Blimey, can you read? Did I say I had been attacked? Or did I describe a hypothetical situation? And, not a far-fetched one, at that.

So you're just part of the self defence fallacy.

I'm surprised to don't carry a parachute when you take the airline.

 

[Blues Man]

Like the man said, when seconds count the cops are only minutes away



Not heard on this recording is the exchange that prompted the headline

The wife shot the intruder

But instead of running away he just kept coming

What do I do now she asks?

Shoot ‘em again the husband shouts!

Which she did

If the cops show up at all.

The Supreme Court has ruled that the police have absolutely no legal obligation to come to the aid of any citizen

 

[Blues Man]

So you're just part of the self defence fallacy.

I'm surprised to don't carry a parachute when you take the airline.

I have already told you that I got jumped but you still deny that violent crime exists

 

[Captain Caveman]

I have already told you that I got jumped but you still deny that violent crime exists

Please link to my post on the entire forum where I've claimed violent crime doesn't exist

 

[Blues Man]

Please link to my post on the entire forum where I've claimed violent crime doesn't exist

No one needs a gun for self defense. You have said this too many times to count

Why is it you believe no one needs a gun for self defense?

 

[Captain Caveman]

No one needs a gun for self defense. You have said this too many times to count

Why is it you believe no one needs a gun for self defense?

See, you were lying and talking shit. Correct, you don't need a gun for self defence.

Please link to my post where I've said crime, from trivial to violent, doesn't exist? You can't because you are a lying arsehole and you haven't got the brain power to COMPREHEND the Harvard study.

The first part of the study is stating that millions of instances were claimed by alleged victims that they needed a gun for the self defence incident. The studies states, "We find that the claim of many millions of annual self-defense gun uses by American citizens is invalid". The study, nor I, don't claim that crime, trivial or violent, doesn't exist.

So stop your lying mouth.

 

[Blues Man]

See, you were lying and talking shit. Correct, you don't need a gun for self defence.

Please link to my post where I've said crime, from trivial to violent, doesn't exist? You can't because you are a lying arsehole and you haven't got the brain power to COMPREHEND the Harvard study.

The first part of the study is stating that millions of instances were claimed by alleged victims that they needed a gun for the self defence incident. The studies states, "We find that the claim of many millions of annual self-defense gun uses by American citizens is invalid". The study, nor I, don't claim that crime, trivial or violent, doesn't exist.

So stop your lying mouth.

Piss off

There are very real reasons to own a gun for self defense. The main reason is that violent crime exists and it only takes one time for a violent crime to result in a catastrophic end.

So anyone with half a brain knows that when you say no one needs a gun for self defense you are denying that violent crime can and does occur on a daily basis.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Piss off

There are very real reasons to own a gun for self defense. The main reason is that violent crime exists and it only takes one time for a violent crime to result in a catastrophic end.

So anyone with half a brain knows that when you say no one needs a gun for self defense you are denying that violent crime can and does occur on a daily basis.

The reason to own a gun for self defence is to fulfill that fallacy, the fallacy that the study highlights. You have less than half a brain, and you lie to back your retarded stance.

 

[Blues Man]

The reason to own a gun for self defence is to fulfill that fallacy, the fallacy that the study highlights. You have less than half a brain, and you lie to back your retarded stance.

There is no fallacy.

You are denying that violent crime exists by saying no one ever has to worry about defending themselves

Crime Clock

ucr.fbi.gov

From the link.

Since there are 3,155,760 seconds in a year and one violent crime occurs every 26 seconds that means there are 121,375 violent crimes per year in the US

That means at least 121,375 people will have a need to defend themselves from violent criminals. This of course does not count the attempted violent crimes that were thwarted by a person and even the most conservative estimates put that number in the hundreds of thousands annually.

 

[Crick]

Are you at all bothered by the fact that Hitler used that exact argument to disarm Jews prior to their genocide?

"A fringe theory, the Nazi gun control argument, posits that gun regulation led to the disarmament of German Jews, in turn substantively contributing to the rise of the Nazis and the Holocaust; fact-checkers have described this theory as "false" or "debunked"".[2][3][4][5]

Disarmament of the German Jews - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1. Uwe Dietrich Adam: Judenpolitik im Dritten Reich.
2. "Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust". @politifact. Retrieved 31 January 2019.
3. "Florida lawmaker mangles Nazi gun control history". @politifact. Retrieved 31 January 2019.
4. "Facebook post claiming guns could have prevented the Holocaust met with backlash". The Washington Post. 2018.
5. "Shot down: the myths distorting the US gun debate". Channel 4 News. 12 February 2013. Retrieved 31 January 2019.
6. Halbrook 2001
7. Dennis Brian: Einstein - Sein Leben.
8. Joachim Steindorf: Kurzkommentar zum Waffenrecht, Verlag C.H. Beck 1999.
9. Susanne Heim (publ.): Die Verfolgung und Ermordung der europäischen Juden durch das nationalsozialistische Deutschland 1933-1945. Band 2: Deutsches Reich 1938 - August 1939. München 2009, ISBN 978-3-486-58523-0, S. 452.
10. Steinweis, Alan (October 14, 2015). "Ben Carson Is Wrong on Guns and the Holocaust". The New York Times. Retrieved 2016-03-15

 

[Briss]

There are millions of home invasions every year. Why would anyone want to prevent anyone from protecting themselves from a home invader?

 

[WinterBorn]

So you're just part of the self defence fallacy.

I'm surprised to don't carry a parachute when you take the airline.

Fallacy? I mentioned 3 basic scenarios. Which one do you propose is the fallacy>

No, I don't take a parachute on a plane. But I do wear my seatbelt. I have fire extinguishers in my home and vehicles.

 

[Captain Caveman]

There is no fallacy.

You are denying that violent crime exists by saying no one ever has to worry about defending themselves

Crime Clock

ucr.fbi.gov

From the link.

Since there are 3,155,760 seconds in a year and one violent crime occurs every 26 seconds that means there are 121,375 violent crimes per year in the US

That means at least 121,375 people will have a need to defend themselves from violent criminals. This of course does not count the attempted violent crimes that were thwarted by a person and even the most conservative estimates put that number in the hundreds of thousands annually.

What a stupid dickhead you are. Crime exists. The need to carry a gun for self defence is proven to be a fallacy.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Fallacy? I mentioned 3 basic scenarios. Which one do you propose is the fallacy>

No, I don't take a parachute on a plane. But I do wear my seatbelt. I have fire extinguishers in my home and vehicles.

You should take a parachute on a plane, the fallacy is they crash all the time. But as you observe, planes don't crash all the time.

Gun nuts claimed they needed their gun to save their life in a crime. These were studied against the evidence etc.. and millions were debunked. So just like there's no need to take a parachute on a plane, there's no need to have a gun for self defence. I'm not saying planes don't crash and crime doesn't happen, the likes of brain dead Blues Man believes you do, and I'm surprised that prat doesn't wear a motor cycle helmet whilst driving a car.

So the need of a parachute cos planes crash all the time, that you need a gun for self defence, and a helmet in a car to save your head in a crash are all fallacies. But when the person is so retarded over guns, they hate being brought into the world of reality.

 

[WinterBorn]

You should take a parachute on a plane, the fallacy is they crash all the time. But as you observe, planes don't crash all the time.

Gun nuts claimed they needed their gun to save their life in a crime. These were studied against the evidence etc.. and millions were debunked. So just like there's no need to take a parachute on a plane, there's no need to have a gun for self defence. I'm not saying planes don't crash and crime doesn't happen, the likes of brain dead Blues Man believes you do, and I'm surprised that prat doesn't wear a motor cycle helmet whilst driving a car.

So the need of a parachute cos planes crash all the time, that you need a gun for self defence, and a helmet in a car to save your head in a crash are all fallacies. But when the person is so retarded over guns, they hate being brought into the world of reality.

If crime happens, then why do you propose to take away our means to defense and of stopping some crimes.

 

[WinterBorn]

You should take a parachute on a plane, the fallacy is they crash all the time. But as you observe, planes don't crash all the time.

Gun nuts claimed they needed their gun to save their life in a crime. These were studied against the evidence etc.. and millions were debunked. So just like there's no need to take a parachute on a plane, there's no need to have a gun for self defence. I'm not saying planes don't crash and crime doesn't happen, the likes of brain dead Blues Man believes you do, and I'm surprised that prat doesn't wear a motor cycle helmet whilst driving a car.

So the need of a parachute cos planes crash all the time, that you need a gun for self defence, and a helmet in a car to save your head in a crash are all fallacies. But when the person is so retarded over guns, they hate being brought into the world of reality.

When you call everyone who has a carry gun a "gun nut", you are arguing like the religious fundamentalists. I have several guns. I also have a permit to carry. I am not a gun nut. I am a shooter, a collector and a hunter. But I am not a "gun nut".

 

[2aguy]

"A fringe theory, the Nazi gun control argument, posits that gun regulation led to the disarmament of German Jews, in turn substantively contributing to the rise of the Nazis and the Holocaust; fact-checkers have described this theory as "false" or "debunked"".[2][3][4][5]

Disarmament of the German Jews - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1. Uwe Dietrich Adam: Judenpolitik im Dritten Reich.
2. "Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust". @politifact. Retrieved 31 January 2019.
3. "Florida lawmaker mangles Nazi gun control history". @politifact. Retrieved 31 January 2019.
4. "Facebook post claiming guns could have prevented the Holocaust met with backlash". The Washington Post. 2018.
5. "Shot down: the myths distorting the US gun debate". Channel 4 News. 12 February 2013. Retrieved 31 January 2019.
6. Halbrook 2001
7. Dennis Brian: Einstein - Sein Leben.
8. Joachim Steindorf: Kurzkommentar zum Waffenrecht, Verlag C.H. Beck 1999.
9. Susanne Heim (publ.): Die Verfolgung und Ermordung der europäischen Juden durch das nationalsozialistische Deutschland 1933-1945. Band 2: Deutsches Reich 1938 - August 1939. München 2009, ISBN 978-3-486-58523-0, S. 452.
10. Steinweis, Alan (October 14, 2015). "Ben Carson Is Wrong on Guns and the Holocaust". The New York Times. Retrieved 2016-03-15

Moron.....you idiots keep trying to use this argument.........and every time you don't actually read the links...you just parrot whatever anti-gun asshole you read on the internet...

The German government began gun registration in the 1920s, as well as gun confiscation.....when the National Socialists came to power in the 1830s, they used those lists to disarm Jews and their political enemies.....

You are the idiot.....you don't know the actual history...

Did you even read your own links?

From Link 2 in your post...

German gun laws

As the Nazi Party rose to power in Germany, it inherited a 1928 gun registration law that had replaced a total ban on gun ownership imposed on a defeated Germany after World War I. The 1928 law created a permit system to own and sell firearms and ammunition.

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The regulations to implement this law, rather than the law itself, did impose new limits on one group: Jews.
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On Nov. 11, 1938, the German minister of the interior issued "Regulations Against Jews Possession of Weapons." Not only were Jews forbidden to own guns and ammunition, they couldn’t own "truncheons or stabbing weapons."

In addition to the restrictions, Ellerbrock said the Nazis had already been raiding Jewish homes and seizing weapons.

"The gun policy of the Nazis can hardly be compared to the democratic procedures of gun regulations by law," Ellerbrock told us. "It was a kind of special administrative practice (Sonderrecht), which treated people in different ways according to their political opinion or according to ‘racial identity’ in Nazi terms."

The power of a police state

In short, Nazi-era Germany imposed greater gun restrictions for Jews (and other perceived enemies) at the same time it loosened gun restrictions for other groups.

Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust

Republican Ben Carson has been criticized for suggesting that gun control enabled the rise of the Nazis and led to the e

www.politifact.com

 

[2aguy]

"A fringe theory, the Nazi gun control argument, posits that gun regulation led to the disarmament of German Jews, in turn substantively contributing to the rise of the Nazis and the Holocaust; fact-checkers have described this theory as "false" or "debunked"".[2][3][4][5]

Disarmament of the German Jews - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1. Uwe Dietrich Adam: Judenpolitik im Dritten Reich.
2. "Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust". @politifact. Retrieved 31 January 2019.
3. "Florida lawmaker mangles Nazi gun control history". @politifact. Retrieved 31 January 2019.
4. "Facebook post claiming guns could have prevented the Holocaust met with backlash". The Washington Post. 2018.
5. "Shot down: the myths distorting the US gun debate". Channel 4 News. 12 February 2013. Retrieved 31 January 2019.
6. Halbrook 2001
7. Dennis Brian: Einstein - Sein Leben.
8. Joachim Steindorf: Kurzkommentar zum Waffenrecht, Verlag C.H. Beck 1999.
9. Susanne Heim (publ.): Die Verfolgung und Ermordung der europäischen Juden durch das nationalsozialistische Deutschland 1933-1945. Band 2: Deutsches Reich 1938 - August 1939. München 2009, ISBN 978-3-486-58523-0, S. 452.
10. Steinweis, Alan (October 14, 2015). "Ben Carson Is Wrong on Guns and the Holocaust". The New York Times. Retrieved 2016-03-15

A source that isn't stupid....

In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.” The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group.


In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.”

During the five years of repression that followed, society was “cleansed” by the National Socialist regime. Undesirables were placed in camps where labor made them “free,” and normal rights of citizenship were taken from Jews. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews.


In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned.

The time had come to launch a decisive blow to the Jewish community, to render it defenseless so that its “ill-gotten” property could be redistributed as an entitlement to the German “Volk.” The German Jews were ordered to surrender all their weapons, and the police had the records on all who had registered them. Even those who gave up their weapons voluntarily were turned over to the Gestapo.

How the Nazis Used Gun Control | National Review

 

[Captain Caveman]

If crime happens, then why do you propose to take away our means to defense and of stopping some crimes.

Thank you for your false dilemma. If you feel your only means to defence is purely just a gun, a dog has a higher IQ than you.