The F-35 Just Showed the World That Russia’s Su-75 Is a Joke

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Yeah..it's facts like these that should make us all aware that Russian is a generation behind..and falling fast:

MSN

The Difference Between the F-35 and Su-75 Should be Clear at Aero India 2023 - At this week's Aero India 2023 Air Show – the largest military aviation event in Asia – Russian delegates are likely seeking to court investors from India to help fund the development of the Sukhoi Su-75 Checkmate fifth-generation fighter.
By contrast, officials from the U.S.-based aerospace giant Lockheed Martin likely didn't have to talk much to make their point about its F-35 Lightning II.
As numerous Indian media outlets reported, at noon local time on the inaugural day of the biannual air show, two United States Air Force F-35s conducted a flyover, landing at the Indian Air Force's Yelahanka airbase.
The pair of advanced stealth fighters had flown to India from Hill Air Force Base in Utah and Eielson Air Force Base in Alaska.
Other U.S. aircraft that are being presented at this week's show include the F-16 Fighting Falcon, which will perform daily aerial demonstrations – while static displays will include F/A-18E and F/A-18F Super Hornet multi-role fighters.
Though U.S. delegation officials have suggested it would be "too premature" for the United States to offer the F-35 to India, the presence of the aircraft likely won't help Moscow's efforts to convince New Delhi to partner on the Checkmate.
Yet, Russia was pulling out all the stops.
CEO of the Russian arms export agency Rosoboronexport Alexander Mikheev told state-media outlet TASS in an interview on the sidelines of the Aero India 2023 International Air Show that Russia is presenting an opportunity for India to develop the Su-75.
This aircraft is believed to be little more than vaporware at this point.
Meanwhile, Russia reportedly had a nice mock-up of its Su-75 Checkmate to entice would-be buyers.

 

[okfine]

Yeah..it's facts like these that should make us all aware that Russian is a generation behind..and falling fast:

MSN

The Difference Between the F-35 and Su-75 Should be Clear at Aero India 2023 - At this week's Aero India 2023 Air Show – the largest military aviation event in Asia – Russian delegates are likely seeking to court investors from India to help fund the development of the Sukhoi Su-75 Checkmate fifth-generation fighter.
By contrast, officials from the U.S.-based aerospace giant Lockheed Martin likely didn't have to talk much to make their point about its F-35 Lightning II.
As numerous Indian media outlets reported, at noon local time on the inaugural day of the biannual air show, two United States Air Force F-35s conducted a flyover, landing at the Indian Air Force's Yelahanka airbase.
The pair of advanced stealth fighters had flown to India from Hill Air Force Base in Utah and Eielson Air Force Base in Alaska.
Other U.S. aircraft that are being presented at this week's show include the F-16 Fighting Falcon, which will perform daily aerial demonstrations – while static displays will include F/A-18E and F/A-18F Super Hornet multi-role fighters.
Though U.S. delegation officials have suggested it would be "too premature" for the United States to offer the F-35 to India, the presence of the aircraft likely won't help Moscow's efforts to convince New Delhi to partner on the Checkmate.
Yet, Russia was pulling out all the stops.
CEO of the Russian arms export agency Rosoboronexport Alexander Mikheev told state-media outlet TASS in an interview on the sidelines of the Aero India 2023 International Air Show that Russia is presenting an opportunity for India to develop the Su-75.
This aircraft is believed to be little more than vaporware at this point.
Meanwhile, Russia reportedly had a nice mock-up of its Su-75 Checkmate to entice would-be buyers.

The US wants India to buy US jets over Russian aircraft. OK.
HAL in India plans to export $6B of their light aircraft. OK, and good luck.

India's military, civil ambitions to dominate Aero India show

India is scouting for billions of dollars worth of military planes, completing jetliner deals to meet civilian demand and pressing global aircraft manufacturers to produce more locally at a major air show this week.

www.reuters.com

 

[Oddball]

Yeah..it's facts like these that should make us all aware that Russian is a generation behind..and falling fast:

MSN

The Difference Between the F-35 and Su-75 Should be Clear at Aero India 2023 - At this week's Aero India 2023 Air Show – the largest military aviation event in Asia – Russian delegates are likely seeking to court investors from India to help fund the development of the Sukhoi Su-75 Checkmate fifth-generation fighter.
By contrast, officials from the U.S.-based aerospace giant Lockheed Martin likely didn't have to talk much to make their point about its F-35 Lightning II.
As numerous Indian media outlets reported, at noon local time on the inaugural day of the biannual air show, two United States Air Force F-35s conducted a flyover, landing at the Indian Air Force's Yelahanka airbase.
The pair of advanced stealth fighters had flown to India from Hill Air Force Base in Utah and Eielson Air Force Base in Alaska.
Other U.S. aircraft that are being presented at this week's show include the F-16 Fighting Falcon, which will perform daily aerial demonstrations – while static displays will include F/A-18E and F/A-18F Super Hornet multi-role fighters.
Though U.S. delegation officials have suggested it would be "too premature" for the United States to offer the F-35 to India, the presence of the aircraft likely won't help Moscow's efforts to convince New Delhi to partner on the Checkmate.
Yet, Russia was pulling out all the stops.
CEO of the Russian arms export agency Rosoboronexport Alexander Mikheev told state-media outlet TASS in an interview on the sidelines of the Aero India 2023 International Air Show that Russia is presenting an opportunity for India to develop the Su-75.
This aircraft is believed to be little more than vaporware at this point.
Meanwhile, Russia reportedly had a nice mock-up of its Su-75 Checkmate to entice would-be buyers.

 

[Litwin]

Yeah..it's facts like these that should make us all aware that Russian is a generation behind..and falling fast:

MSN

The Difference Between the F-35 and Su-75 Should be Clear at Aero India 2023 - At this week's Aero India 2023 Air Show – the largest military aviation event in Asia – Russian delegates are likely seeking to court investors from India to help fund the development of the Sukhoi Su-75 Checkmate fifth-generation fighter.
By contrast, officials from the U.S.-based aerospace giant Lockheed Martin likely didn't have to talk much to make their point about its F-35 Lightning II.
As numerous Indian media outlets reported, at noon local time on the inaugural day of the biannual air show, two United States Air Force F-35s conducted a flyover, landing at the Indian Air Force's Yelahanka airbase.
The pair of advanced stealth fighters had flown to India from Hill Air Force Base in Utah and Eielson Air Force Base in Alaska.
Other U.S. aircraft that are being presented at this week's show include the F-16 Fighting Falcon, which will perform daily aerial demonstrations – while static displays will include F/A-18E and F/A-18F Super Hornet multi-role fighters.
Though U.S. delegation officials have suggested it would be "too premature" for the United States to offer the F-35 to India, the presence of the aircraft likely won't help Moscow's efforts to convince New Delhi to partner on the Checkmate.
Yet, Russia was pulling out all the stops.
CEO of the Russian arms export agency Rosoboronexport Alexander Mikheev told state-media outlet TASS in an interview on the sidelines of the Aero India 2023 International Air Show that Russia is presenting an opportunity for India to develop the Su-75.
This aircraft is believed to be little more than vaporware at this point.
Meanwhile, Russia reportedly had a nice mock-up of its Su-75 Checkmate to entice would-be buyers.

The US wants India to buy US jets over Russian aircraft. OK.
HAL in India plans to export $6B of their light aircraft. OK, and good luck.

India's military, civil ambitions to dominate Aero India show

India is scouting for billions of dollars worth of military planes, completing jetliner deals to meet civilian demand and pressing global aircraft manufacturers to produce more locally at a major air show this week.

www.reuters.com

Another Moscow wunderwaffe & the rest of the world feel real safe if this is what the Moscow are coming up with, it has to be a joke.​

putin´s army wunderwaffe - RPG-Armed Robot Dog Revealed to Be Chinese Home Bot from Ali Express

MOSCOW SUCKS AT WAR , MOSCOW SUCKS IN GENERAL Another Moscow wunderwaffe & the rest of the world feel real safe if this is what the Moscow are coming up with, it has to be a joke. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/08/16/russian-rpg-armed-robot-dog-revealed-to-be-chinese-home-bot-a78584

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Ringo]

 

[Vrenn]

While we can't let him bully us with them, we can't discount them either. He may or may not have.

 

[Vrenn]

Another Moscow wunderwaffe & the rest of the world feel real safe if this is what the Moscow are coming up with, it has to be a joke.​

The tipoff was the intakes. In order to do what they claimed it could, those intakes would have to be a lot larger to bring in a lot more air into the engine. As it stands, I doubt if those intakes would allow the SU-57 to even approach mach 1, much less the claimed Mach 4.5.

 

[Mushroom]

Yeah..it's facts like these that should make us all aware that Russian is a generation behind..and falling fast:

The biggest difference between the two is that the F-35 is a real aircraft. They have been flying for over 16 years, and have been in service for almost 8 years. One can make a purchase order now, and have delivery in a year or two.

The Su-75 still only exists on paper. The first flight is not even expected until next year, and first delivery not until 2027 (according to Russian predictions).

And while India had long been a "Soviet-Russian kinda-ally", they have been trying to move away from that and closer to the West in recent decades. Russia did indeed help their arms industry and technological and industrial advancement in the middle of the 20th century. But more and more they are realizing that in many ways they have passed Russia by, and there is no longer any real advantage to maintaining that alliance.

Especially as they are now starting to flex their muscles as being one of the largest English speaking nations, and using that to gain more and more lucrative contracts providing tech support to other English speaking nations. They have seen their dependence on Russian dams and equipment replaced with access to US and Canadian dollars, and British Pounds much more to their advantage in the long term.

And I admit I did laugh at the spokesman for the Indian Air Force dismissing that they were considering the F-35. And I actually do believe that statement 100%, as I really can not see them buying the F-35A. However, if there was to be a customer in the Indian military for that I doubt it would be the Air Force. I would put money on it being the Navy, and the F-35B.

Back in 2013, the Indian Navy started using the INS Vikramaditya, the former Admiral Gorshkov/Baku aviation missile cruiser. And along with that deal and others came 45 MiG-29 fighters. And although those are largely new planes, it is still just a modification on a Cold War era aircraft. And with the sanctions now in place, I think India might be getting a bit nervous about access to future aircraft as well as parts. And the current conflict might be just the excuse they need to start distancing themselves and courting other options.

No, I bet if any branch wants the F-35, it would be the Navy with the B model. Their carrier can host 26 fighters in standard configuration, currently in 2 wings (one of MiG-29K single seat aircraft, and the other in MiG-29KUB tandem seat aircraft). And it is actually common for carriers to have several different models of aircraft, depending on the mission they might be sent out on. So migrating to the MiG-29 for one wing and the F-35B for the other would be a logical evolution. And that gives them more flexibility depending on mission needs at the time.

Especially as the capabilities of Russian naval aircraft is far behind that of the US. Russia has never really taken naval aviation seriously, and in that area they are unquestionably a generation or more behind the US. Their carrier aircraft have for decades simply been modified versions of their normal aircraft (the Su-33 is just a modification of the 1970's era Su-27). And I am sure the Indian Navy is just a bit perturbed that they are essentially flying Cold War relics, and want to get their hands on some really modern aircraft.

 

[Vrenn]

The biggest difference between the two is that the F-35 is a real aircraft. They have been flying for over 16 years, and have been in service for almost 8 years. One can make a purchase order now, and have delivery in a year or two.

The Su-75 still only exists on paper. The first flight is not even expected until next year, and first delivery not until 2027 (according to Russian predictions).

And while India had long been a "Soviet-Russian kinda-ally", they have been trying to move away from that and closer to the West in recent decades. Russia did indeed help their arms industry and technological and industrial advancement in the middle of the 20th century. But more and more they are realizing that in many ways they have passed Russia by, and there is no longer any real advantage to maintaining that alliance.

Especially as they are now starting to flex their muscles as being one of the largest English speaking nations, and using that to gain more and more lucrative contracts providing tech support to other English speaking nations. They have seen their dependence on Russian dams and equipment replaced with access to US and Canadian dollars, and British Pounds much more to their advantage in the long term.

And I admit I did laugh at the spokesman for the Indian Air Force dismissing that they were considering the F-35. And I actually do believe that statement 100%, as I really can not see them buying the F-35A. However, if there was to be a customer in the Indian military for that I doubt it would be the Air Force. I would put money on it being the Navy, and the F-35B.

Back in 2013, the Indian Navy started using the INS Vikramaditya, the former Admiral Gorshkov/Baku aviation missile cruiser. And along with that deal and others came 45 MiG-29 fighters. And although those are largely new planes, it is still just a modification on a Cold War era aircraft. And with the sanctions now in place, I think India might be getting a bit nervous about access to future aircraft as well as parts. And the current conflict might be just the excuse they need to start distancing themselves and courting other options.

No, I bet if any branch wants the F-35, it would be the Navy with the B model. Their carrier can host 26 fighters in standard configuration, currently in 2 wings (one of MiG-29K single seat aircraft, and the other in MiG-29KUB tandem seat aircraft). And it is actually common for carriers to have several different models of aircraft, depending on the mission they might be sent out on. So migrating to the MiG-29 for one wing and the F-35B for the other would be a logical evolution. And that gives them more flexibility depending on mission needs at the time.

Especially as the capabilities of Russian naval aircraft is far behind that of the US. Russia has never really taken naval aviation seriously, and in that area they are unquestionably a generation or more behind the US. Their carrier aircraft have for decades simply been modified versions of their normal aircraft (the Su-33 is just a modification of the 1970's era Su-27). And I am sure the Indian Navy is just a bit perturbed that they are essentially flying Cold War relics, and want to get their hands on some really modern aircraft.

Does that mean that you would discount the F-35C?

 

[Mushroom]

Does that mean that you would discount the F-35C?

No, not at all.

But the C is for carriers that use CATOBAR launching systems. And the Indian Navy does not use them, it uses a ski-ramp takeoff and arrested landing. Therefore the obvious choice would be the B model, not the C.

 

[Vrenn]

No, not at all.

But the C is for carriers that use CATOBAR launching systems. And the Indian Navy does not use them, it uses a ski-ramp takeoff and arrested landing. Therefore the obvious choice would be the B model, not the C.

The C model can easily use the ski jump method fully loaded. Anything the Mig-29K can do, the F-35C can do.

 

[James California]

~ The big secret is that Russian military aircraft is actually " Made In China " ...

 

[Stryder50]

The Critics are Dead Wrong: The F-35 Is a Game Changer​

The F-35 Is Writing A New History As The Most Capable Fifth-Generation Fighter: When defense writers have nothing new to say, they sometimes dredge up old stories.

This is the case with a piece in The Week titled “The F-35 Fighter Jet’s Troubled History.” The article is an unbalanced mishmash of old news about challenges the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) faced as a developmental program, inadequate information about the F-35’s current status, and the almost obligatory suggestion that entrenched interests are keeping the program going. There is both a lack of balance and a failure to recognize the F-35 program’s successes. It also lacks a straightforward acknowledgment that, to date, 17 countries have chosen the JSF as their fighter for the 21st century after independently analyzing combat effectiveness, cost, and sustainability of the aircraft.
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MSN

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From a couple years back, this article from Flight Journal magazine is a good one on the F-35B, with a bit of insight to the A & C.
F-35B Lightning II - Semper Fi

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From the January 2021 issue of Fight Journal which has more photos than shown above.

 

[Stryder50]

Images page for the F-35. To go with above.

flight journal f-35B lightning II semper fi - Google Search

 

[Vrenn]

~ The big secret is that Russian military aircraft is actually " Made In China " ...

I thought that the secret to Russian Military was actually made in Russia.

 

[Mushroom]

The C model can easily use the ski jump method fully loaded. Anything the Mig-29K can do, the F-35C can do.

Actually, that is incorrect. That is always done with the B model.

That is why every single F-35 the Royal Navy has bought has been the B model, and not the C model.

But I am willing to read any reference you can provide that states that the C model can be launched from a ski ramp carrier.



If you notice the large "hatch" open behind the cockpit, that is the cover for the down facing engine, that is a B model.



And the same is true with Italy, which is buying the B model for their Navy, and not the C. As well as Japan and South Korea. In fact, the only nations that can use the C model other than the US is France. They are the only navies that still use CATOBAR, the others have all gone to ski jump because of cost (less complex machinery, smaller carriers). France has no interest in the F-35, they have their own aircraft industry to support. Brazil was a possibility, but they scuttled the Sao Paulo 2 years ago. And ironically, statements from Brazil almost echo those of India. Their Air Force generals have been making loud statements that they have no interest in the F-35(A). Yet, their Navy is remarkably silent on if they want the F-35B. And with no CATOBAR carrier anymore, they would have no interest in the C.

And I actually did look for any information of the F-35C using a ski ramp, but every single reference in fact was talking about the B model, not the C. And then you have the most important question... if the C can use a ski ramp, what use is the B model? No need for VTOL, STOSL would be all that was needed for that variant.

 

[Vrenn]

Actually, that is incorrect. That is always done with the B model.

That is why every single F-35 the Royal Navy has bought has been the B model, and not the C model.

But I am willing to read any reference you can provide that states that the C model can be launched from a ski ramp carrier.



If you notice the large "hatch" open behind the cockpit, that is the cover for the down facing engine, that is a B model.



And the same is true with Italy, which is buying the B model for their Navy, and not the C. As well as Japan and South Korea. In fact, the only nations that can use the C model other than the US is France. They are the only navies that still use CATOBAR, the others have all gone to ski jump because of cost (less complex machinery, smaller carriers). France has no interest in the F-35, they have their own aircraft industry to support. Brazil was a possibility, but they scuttled the Sao Paulo 2 years ago. And ironically, statements from Brazil almost echo those of India. Their Air Force generals have been making loud statements that they have no interest in the F-35(A). Yet, their Navy is remarkably silent on if they want the F-35B. And with no CATOBAR carrier anymore, they would have no interest in the C.

And I actually did look for any information of the F-35C using a ski ramp, but every single reference in fact was talking about the B model, not the C. And then you have the most important question... if the C can use a ski ramp, what use is the B model? No need for VTOL, STOSL would be all that was needed for that variant.

Then the Mig-29K and the SU-33 are breaking the laws of physics. The facts remains that the C model has the beefed up frame and landing gear which is the parts that are going to take the biggest beating for carrier duty. Facts remains that the F-15 can fly off a carrier just fine without relying on the cat. So can the F-16. Any fighter with a better than a 1 to 1 thrust to weight ratio can do that easily all day long. Landing is a different story. Even the B model can't slam the carrier over and over without using his lift fan to take some of the punishment.

The reason they are buying the B model is that the C is not ready to be exported yet.

 

[Mushroom]

Facts remains that the F-15 can fly off a carrier just fine without relying on the cat. So can the F-16.

So can a C-130.



It only means clearing the entire landing deck, and the aircraft then requires the entire landing deck.

Just because something can be done, does not mean it should be done. Kinda like launching a Minuteman ICBM from a C-5.

 

[Mushroom]

The reason they are buying the B model is that the C is not ready to be exported yet.

Name a single nation that is even considering buying the F-35C.

Still waiting on a reference that an F-35C can take off from a ski ramp carrier.

 

[Vrenn]

So can a C-130.



It only means clearing the entire landing deck, and the aircraft then requires the entire landing deck.

Just because something can be done, does not mean it should be done. Kinda like launching a Minuteman ICBM from a C-5.

There has been many emergency landings by non carrier aircraft over the decades. Some successful, some not. When questions like this comes up, I turn to the best digital simulator ever made that even Professional Military Pilots find realistic and challenging. Here is one where a bunch of non carrier birds are trying to land on a carrier.




Here is a fully loaded F-16.




Basically, the F-35C has about the same thrust to weight ratio as the F-18F does lightly loaded. Anything one can do the other can do. Reason and physics dictates this. Afterall, the F-35C IS the F-18E/F replacement so why can't it take off from a carrier with a jump ramp since the F-18E/F can?