The "Donroe" doctrine.

[Hafar1014]

Wow, you understand, and it's not about us doing everything for the rest of the world.

Yes it is without America the free world would be destroyed by communism socialism and Muslim theocracies.

 

[Bitterhook]

Behold the empty head.

It's what about what WE are doing, which SHOULD BE keeping the high ground and supporting international law, keeping Chinese and Rushist ambitions in check instead of shitting away our credibility in Venezuella, a country that poses no serious threat to United States.

If International Law as exercised, was actually the 'high ground' instead of a bunch of garbage intended to weaken us in pursuit of an imaginary global consensus for the good of all, then you might actually have a point.

 

[Bitterhook]

Yes it is without America the free world would be destroyed by communism socialism and Muslim theocracies.

Maybe it is about time they figure it out then, or we will take care of what we chose to closer to home and as we desire. We don't have to drag them kicking and screaming or trying to tell us how mean we are.

 

[Marener]

Wow, you understand, and it's not about us doing everything for the rest of the world.

I think defending the rule of law is good for the whole world and the people who inhabit it.

That doesn’t seem to be popular with this administration.

 

[rightwinger]

Meh, I saw it as Big Stick diplomacy.

Maduro was asked to step down, didn't, and had the stick applied to him.

Done and done.

Sadly it is never that easy

 

[rightwinger]

...with democrats on Russia's and China's side.

How does Trump claim control of the Western Hemisphere while telling Russia and China they can’t do the same?

 

[Bitterhook]

I think defending the rule of law is good for the whole world and the people who inhabit it.

That doesn’t seem to be popular with this administration.

Exactly, because when the law is used to provide what is less than what is good for us, or even handicap us in favor of policies, or nations that don't abide the law, we don't have to pretend the smoke a bunch of feel-good asshats are trying to blow up our ass is worth the trouble of listening to.

 

[Bitterhook]

How does Trump claim control of the Western Hemisphere while telling Russia and China they can’t do the same?

He yanks Maduro out of Venezuela the day after Maduro meets with a Chinese delegation discussing a partnership with China. See how that works?

 

[AntonToo]

He yanks Maduro out of Venezuela the day after Maduro meets with a Chinese delegation discussing a partnership with China. See how that works?

There is no point replying to this fool, he understands nothing...except maybe how to catch a fish.

 

[Bitterhook]

There is no point replying to this fool, he understands nothing...except maybe how to catch a fish.

The only fools are folks like you that keep saying stupid shit and asking stupid questions, because you are more interested in chasing a dream than reading the National Defense Plan for 2026.

Keep stumbling around in the darkness and thinking you have anything to say that's worth listening to.
The plan isn't a secret.

 

[Marener]

Exactly, because when the law is used to provide what is less than what is good for us, or even handicap us in favor of policies, or nations that don't abide the law, we don't have to pretend the smoke a bunch of feel-good asshats are trying to blow up our ass is worth the trouble of listening to.

So we stick with the rule of law until it becomes inconvenient.

A world where “might makes right” is a far more violent world than we are used to in the post world war 2 era of peace.

 

[Bitterhook]

So we stick with the rule of law until it becomes inconvenient.

A world where “might makes right” is a far more violent world than we are used to in the post world war 2 era of peace.

We simply understand the law should not be a matter of convenience for anyone, and more a matter of equal protection if it is to be respected at all.

Try reading Fredric Bastiat's The Law, which is a short read and direct rebuttal towards using the Law in manners best described in the Communist Manifesto to create a social system that in no way protects the rights, freedoms or property of the individual. That includes when International Laws are abused against individual nations, all for the same purpose of an imaginary greater global society.

Might doesn't necessarily make right, but it will damn sure tell you to stop messing around or playing pretend games about some feckless nonsense or imaginary higher ground, and what the **** is going to happen if you don't.

 

[Marener]

We simply understand the law should not be a matter of convenience for anyone, and more a matter of equal protection if it is to be respected at all.

Try reading Fredric Bastiat's The Law, which is a short read and direct rebuttal towards using the Law in manners best described in the Communist Manifesto to create a social system that in no way protects the rights, freedoms or property of the individual. That includes when International Laws are abused against individual nations, all for the same purpose of an imaginary greater global society.

Might doesn't necessarily make right, but it will damn sure tell you to stop messing around or playing pretend games about some feckless nonsense or imaginary higher ground, and what the **** is going to happen if you don't.

In this Trump era, might does make right. Which is what Stephen Miller is saying.

The law doesn’t matter to these people.

we can take Greenland if we want to because we are powerful. That’s all that matters.

 

[1srelluc]

Sadly it is never that easy

Seemed easy enough when you give the .mil their head and cut them loose.

 

[Bitterhook]

In this Trump era, might does make right. Which is what Stephen Miller is saying.

The law doesn’t matter to these people.

we can take Greenland if we want to because we are powerful. That’s all that matters.

You obviously misunderstood what I posted, in attempts to satisfy what may conveniently benefit your vapid argument.

You are obviously more interested in addressing President Trump or Steven Miller, than understanding any implications the Law doesn't means squat when it does not function properly, or the fact that might doesn't necessarily make right, and that might just doesn't require permission from others.

Feel-good words and intentions tend to run out of steam, when proven to be nonsense through decisive actions.
If nothing else, you should have come to that understanding by now during the Trump Era.

 

[rightwinger]

Seemed easy enough when you give the .mil their head and cut them loose.

like they did in Iraq and they treated us like liberators

 

[kyzr]

It's what about what WE are doing, which SHOULD BE keeping the high ground and supporting international law, democracy and sovereignty principles to keep Chinese and Rushist ambitions in check instead of shitting away our credibility in Venezuella, a country that poses no serious threat to United States.

The only thing that will keep Chinese and Russians ambitions in check is a very powerful military, not idealistic nonsense about unenforceable "international law".

Coalition of western countries has been supporting and arming Ukraine's defense as well putting big economic pressure on Russian aggressors. All of that is done with moral clarity about illegitimacy of the bloody invasion that drives the popular support for Ukraine and absorbing the economic costs.

Arming Ukraine weakens the Russian military and economy which helps keep Putin in his box, its not the "moral high ground" its "realpolitik".

Trump administration's rhetoric about big countries having the right to run small countries around them destroys all that and puts us on equal footing with fascist imperialists like Putin, destroys our credibility, destroys American brand that is the source of much of our soft power and influence around the world.

"Small leaks can sink great ships" is an old truism that applies to great countries as well. The US needs to keep up its economy and its military even as many countries try to undermine them. China is a growing economic and military power. Their "belts and roads" program has its teeth into many countries all over the world. So don't try to lecture the US about imperialism or fascism when the US does what it needs to do.
We will do what we need to do, you can do what you need to do. The US economy is the source of our "soft power" not "credibility" which is a meaningless idealistic term.

 

[kyzr]

How does Trump claim control of the Western Hemisphere while telling Russia and China they can’t do the same?

Putin tried to take control of his hemisphere, but his military and economy aren't as big or as powerful as his ego.

Same with China. I'm not saying they are a "paper-tiger", but they haven't demonstrated they have a world class military. I don't think Xi wants to FAFO over Taiwan, he's very happy the way things are going.

 

[Bitterhook]

Putin tried to take control of his hemisphere, but his military and economy aren't as big or as powerful as his ego.

Same with China. I'm not saying they are a "paper-tiger", but they haven't demonstrated they have a world class military. I don't think Xi wants to FAFO over Taiwan, he's very happy the way things are going.

Putin is a bit busy in Europe outside of two nuclear bombers he had in Venezuela until President Trump started blowing up boats.

China has been working on South America more aggressively, targeting weaker nations with financial aid, that then leads to them taking over ports, and eventually deeper connections and liabilities within those nations. You mentioned that with the "Belt and Road Initiative" which isn't a secret, was published in 2013 and has been executed ever since.

What's interesting is how the Chinese will work with initiatives and laws associated with the International Monetary Fund and Global Banks to entice weaker nations into partnerships relying on the benefits those nations receive through cooperation. Those benefits become secondary when China drops the hammer and then seizes the assets the nation has left liable or vulnerable to legal takeover.

Which is an example of using International Law and support to achieve what are less than honorable goals.

 

[kyzr]

Putin is a bit busy in Europe outside of two nuclear bombers he had in Venezuela until President Trump started blowing up boats.
China has been working on South America more aggressively, targeting weaker nations with financial aid, that then leads to them taking over ports, and eventually deeper connections and liabilities within those nations. You mentioned that with the "Belt and Road Initiative" which isn't a secret, was published in 2013 and has been executed ever since.
What's interesting is how the Chinese will work with initiatives and laws associated with the International Monetary Fund and Global Banks to entice weaker nations into partnerships relying on the benefits those nations receive through cooperation. Those benefits become secondary when China drops the hammer and then seizes the assets the nation has left liable or vulnerable to legal takeover.
Which is an example of using International Law and support to achieve what are less than honorable goals.

Thank you for typing that. I was too lazy to get into the details of how China takes control of small fry countries.

Chinese play a game called "GO" which is a very slow and tedious and strategic game, unlike Chess where the "sacrifices, strategems, and blunders" happen much quicker as in war. I'm wondering if that is why the Chinese appear to play the very long game? Xi said he wants Taiwan by 2040. Ok, we should all live so long.