The "Donroe" doctrine.

[AntonToo]

Given this, I might change my mind on the subject. Problem is, the cucks wouldn't follow through.

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Hey look, another fucked in the head rightwinger that can't wait to assist Rushists by disolving western defensive alliance.

Surprise!

 

[Bitterhook]

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What mustard do you think this cuts?

Those allies that are getting weaker in your opinion. Are actual partners. They give you an immense power over not just them but the entire world.

History has been dominated by millennias of your thinking and has had wars that entire time. And it's because after the last time it ended in catastrophe, and something like 80 million deaths later, the world under American leadership decided on a better way.

A way of trade, cooperation, and alliances encompassing the globe.

A way you reject to go right back to were we where. Only now with weapons so powerful we're one bad afternoon away from civilization ending.

Oh bullshit, because history over the millennia didn't have a damn thing to do with the United Nations, International Law, the powers that be subverting themselves to some imaginary global consensus, or taking advice from a bunch of pussies that cannot even protect their own countries from being overrun by utter nonsense, or internal division over weak policies. Unless of course you want to believe in some fairytale Utopia that has never developed.

What good are global alliances when you cannot count on your allies to do much more than cry?
There's a difference in going back to where you where and pretending where they are trying to get you was ever in your best interests. Globalism is the exact opposite of being in any one entity's best interest.

Sign this agreement, and we'll keep you from building power plants, while we let the Chinese build a shitload more, and blah-blah-blah, fill in the blank with the next foolish idea.

 

[kyzr]

LISTEN. Stop posting brain-dead bullshit and LISTEN.
It's not the removal of illegitimate autocrat thug in itself, what is being objected is SHITTING ON INTERNATIONAL LAW by talking about running Venezuela and taking their resources which legitimizes Putin's invasion of Ukraine and lays rhetorical groundwork for China to take over Taiwan.

You can't say that removing an illegitimate narco-thug is good, but shitting on international law is bad. International Law only applies to legitimate governments dumbo. Putin's invasion of Ukraine broke international law, Trump's removal of Maduro did not. So what is "international law" going to do about Putin? NOTHING. Its only enforcement is by military power.

Trump is embracing Putin's vision of world where big countries have a might-makes-right to run smaller countries around them at a barrel of a gun. He is embracing the Putin Doctrine.

Your simplistic term, "Putin's Doctrine", incorrectly states Putin's doctrine. Putin objects to NATO's expansion after Jim Baker said "not one more inch eastward". Putin wants Ukraine in his "sphere of influence" as a national security imperative, and Ukraine doesn't want to be dominated by Russia. So the war continues until terms are reached. Putin can't take Ukraine by military force, at least not yet.

You tribalist cultists have absolutely no principles, no coherent world view, no core values. Nobody is helping Russian and Chinese land grabbers more than Dear Leader that is mind-******* you into abandoning everything that made us exceptional, everything that elevated us above those imperialist autocrats. No one.

You are WRONG on every DNC talking point you spout. Our principles are America First, and American Lives Matter.
During Biden more than 400,000 Americans died due to drugs, stopping that and saving lives is a "core value".
Democrats who object to removing Maduro are enabling Russian and Chinese land-grabbers in Central America..
If imposing US Law, or US national security interests on VZ, or Columbia, or Mexico, or Cuba, or Panama, or Greenland so be it.
HINT: might does make right, always has.

 

[Mac1958]

... and more distressing reelection.

This is the part that has concerned me the most.

From conversations with European friends and family, it's clear that they gave us a pass for his first term, looking at it as a momentary lapse of judgement and emotional primal scream. But with his second election, they're now looking at Americans themselves as much as they're looking at Trump.

We are fully compicit in this, and we're complicit in how it affects our former friends and allies.

It's the old European expression: "Ugly Americans". The cat's fully out of the bag now.

 

[kyzr]

Greenland

Greenland is Denmark's not Norway's.

 

[AntonToo]

You can't say that removing an illegitimate narco-thug is good, but shitting on international law is bad. International Law only applies to legitimate governments dumbo. Putin's invasion of Ukraine broke international law, Trump's removal of Maduro did not. So what is "international law" going to do about Putin? NOTHING. Its only enforcement is by military power.

Knock! knock! Who is there?

RUNNING VENEZUELA AND FORCING THEM TO GIVE UP THEIR OIL PRODUCTION.

- a violation of their sovereign rights as clearly laid out in international law.

Are you going to grow some balls to address the actual issue?

 

[kyzr]

Given this, I might change my mind on the subject. Problem is, the cucks wouldn't follow through.

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Its a bluff. The EU would be Putin's in days if the US military left. The EU needs NATO for survival.

 

[Independent thinker]

Yet, Trump not long ago pardoned such a thug.

And me personally have no problem with the US removing Maduro. That's simply not the issue.

It was how he was removed and the precedent it set.

There was no notification to Congress. No justification provided before the act. And after the act Trump went on camera making it clear that he considers Venezuela at best a puppet state under the control of the US and at worst simply a colony to be exploited. Followed by him threatening several other nations and territories with the same.

You guys might be far enough up Trump's butt that the cheeseburger is still warm, to dismiss this, but to observers and nations alike it's not dismissed that easily.

It would not have happened if Trump had notified Congress. Democrats would have leaked it, killing the whole operation.

 

[Lockback]

This is the part that has concerned me the most.

From conversations with European friends and family, it's clear that they gave us a pass for his first term, looking at it as a momentary lapse of judgement and emotional primal scream. But with his second election, they're now looking at Americans themselves as much as they're looking at Trump.

We are fully compicit in this, and we're complicit in how it affects our former friends and allies.

It's the old European expression: "Ugly Americans". The cat's fully out of the bag now.

Who gives a shit what they think?
I don't.
Europe is fucked. Their immigration policies have imported disaster.
They're jailing people for social media posts they don't like. They've totally lost the plot, just as the Democrats here have.
In a world where magnetism has gone completely mad and compasses spin crazily in different directions, Trump is true north.

 

[kyzr]

RUNNING VENEZUELA AND FORCING THEM TO GIVE UP THEIR OIL PRODUCTION.

Venezuela is broken. Its a narco-state. Their oil production is dropping every year.
The US can rebuild the oil production, but capitalism says oil companies get to recover costs.
Venezuela would still get oil revenue, more than they get now.

Are you going to grow some balls to address the actual issue?

What actual issue?

 

[Bitterhook]

This is the part that has concerned me the most.

From conversations with European friends and family, it's clear that they gave us a pass for his first term, looking at it as a momentary lapse of judgement and emotional primal scream. But with his second election, they're now looking at Americans themselves as much as they're looking at Trump.

We are fully compicit in this, and we're complicit in how it affects our former friends and allies.

It's the old European expression: "Ugly Americans". The cat's fully out of the bag now.

An old German man I once knew described the American Gi's he encountered in World War II as "Devils in Baggy Pants".
It wasn't an insult, as much as an understanding of how difficult it was to defeat Americans, because they stood together, and would go above and beyond to achieve their goals or die trying.

The cat isn't out of the bag as much as people like you haven't sufficiently managed to stuff the ****** far enough in the bag to start with.

 

[JWBooth]

Its a bluff. The EU would be Putin's in days if the US military left. The EU needs NATO for survival.

Not my monkey, not my circus. I don’t think he is, but if he is dumb enough to want those clowns, let him have them.

 

[AntonToo]

Venezuela is broken. Its a narco-state. Their oil production is dropping every year.
The US can rebuild the oil production, but capitalism says oil companies get to recover costs.
Venezuela would still get oil revenue, more than they get now.

What actual issue?

Putinist excuses to go invade and run other countries are dime a dozen.

UN Charter is very clear on this -"NOTHING JUSTIFIES AGRESSION"

 

[Bitterhook]

Putinist excuses to go invade and run other countries are dime a dozen.

UN Charter is very clear on this -"NOTHING JUSTIFIES AGRESSION"

There is a distinct difference in Lawfare and Warfare, and Putin understands that.
International agreements, and diplomacy combined with a less than honest approach from everyone involved to abide by the provision therein, is exactly what created the mess in Ukraine.

So go on pretending you can fix it with the same garbage that started it.

 

[Marener]

Its a bluff. The EU would be Putin's in days if the US military left. The EU needs NATO for survival.

Putin can’t even take over Ukraine let alone the whole EU. Don’t be silly.

 

[kyzr]

Putinist excuses to go invade and run other countries are dime a dozen.

UN Charter is very clear on this -"NOTHING JUSTIFIES AGGRESSION"

So what is the UN going to do about it? What did the UN do to Putin for his invasion?

The US will protect its citizens and its national interests, period, full stop.

 

[Marener]

Stephen Miller is out saying that might makes right, and the law doesn’t really matter. Or more accurately, might makes right is the law.

That’s not good for the world.

 

[Oddball]

Great rebuttal..

The only rebuttal to something that is only your opinion.

 

[AntonToo]

So what is the UN going to do about it? What did the UN do to Putin for his invasion?

The US will protect its citizens and its national interests, period, full stop.

Behold the empty head.

It's what about what WE are doing, which SHOULD BE keeping the high ground and supporting international law, democracy and sovereignty principles to keep Chinese and Rushist ambitions in check instead of shitting away our credibility in Venezuella, a country that poses no serious threat to United States.

Coalition of western countries has been supporting and arming Ukraine's defense as well putting big economic pressure on Russian agressors. All of that is done with moral clearity about illegitimacy of the bloody invasion that drives the popular support for Ukraine and absorbing the economic costs.

Trump administration's rhetoric about big countries having the right to run small countries around them destroys all that and puts us on equal footing with fascist imperialists like Putin, destroys our credibility, destroys American brand that is the source of much of our soft power and influence around the world.

 

[Bitterhook]

That’s not good for the world.

Wow, you understand, and it's not about us doing everything for the rest of the world.