The Disintegration of Liberal Democracy

[Independent thinker]

We don't like the hypocrisy. How come you aren't calling Trump a socialist?

We have witnessed a flurry of executive orders within his first one hundred days to reshape the federal government according to his political vision, the deployment of our National Guard to cities across the country to quell protests against his immigration policies, the sanctioning of International Criminal Court judges and staff, the unprecedented budgetary bolstering of the Department of Homeland Security and its agencies (namely Immigration and Customs Enforcement [ICE]), the bombing of numerous foreign countries and extrajudicial attacks on boats in the Caribbean, the introduction of restrictive press rules for the Pentagon, the deportation of international students for speech against the administration’s views, the longest government shutdown in American history—the list unfortunately does not cease. These actions are the result of a largely unchecked executive, with both chambers of Congress playing the party line, a combination that has made for a drastic dismantling of checks and balances.

One easy reason. You guys want 100% socialism where the government controls everything when only a small few things of what Trump does could be argued to be socialism. However, it's kind of funny that you claim Trump is the king of capitalism and has been using it to make himself rich - but he's a socialist. Talk about hypocrisy.

 

[Lisa558]

Are you talking about RFK Jr? He was the nominee for a host of parties across the country and never had any primaries.

I’m talking about the DEI idiot who was forced on her Party.

 

[Marener]

I’m talking about the DEI idiot who was forced on her Party.

So it's okay when a white dude gets forced on their party.

Gotcha.

In case you didn't know, the Dems had a primary. You need to think about your statements first.

 

[sealybobo]

One easy reason. You guys want 100% socialism where the government controls everything when only a small few things of what Trump does could be argued to be socialism. However, it's kind of funny that you claim Trump is the king of capitalism and has been using it to make himself rich - but he's a socialist. Talk about hypocrisy.

No we don't.

Trump is doing socialist things and you seem fine with it.

And no one has ever called Trump the king of capitalism.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Trouble is, too many voters, particularly younger people who actually vote, don't understand that when you vote in socialism you can't change your mind anymore and vote it back out. out.

That’s the rub. You theoretically have the right to vote away your right to vote.
Voting age needs to be raised to 25.

 

[Lisa558]

So it's okay when a white dude gets forced on their party.

Gotcha.

In case you didn't know, the Dems had a primary. You need to think about your statements first.

No white guy got forced on our Party. Trump won the primary.

And what does his being white have to do with it?

 

[Lisa558]

So it's okay when a white dude gets forced on their party.

Gotcha.

In case you didn't know, the Dems had a primary. You need to think about your statements first.

The meaningless primary, you mean? They IGNORED the selection of the people and hand-picked the DEI candidate. You need to grow a brain.

 

[Jarod the Original]

What about conservatism? It's not an ideology?

Maybe you just lump that in with fascism.

Conservatives in America have always supported Classic Liberal Democracy. I am talking about a different thing than Right v. Left.

Trump is not a Conservative or a Liberal, he is something else, I do not know what to call it. Its one of the symptoms of the disintegration of Classical Liberal Democracy. Google Classic Liberal Democracy.

 

[Jarod the Original]

The two can essentially work together. Mussolini, the Father of Fascism, called it "corporatism".

Musk, Bezos, Ellison, Zuckerberg, et al.

That's the direction right now, yeah.

I am afraid of that, but I think we are more likely headed toward an Oligarchy of the huge tech billionares. Who knows?

 

[Marener]

No white guy got forced on our Party. Trump won the primary.

And what does his being white have to do with it?

No DEI candidate was forced on your party either.

Why is it okay for RFK to be nominated without a primary if this is supposedly such a problem for democracy?

 

[Marener]

The meaningless primary, you mean? They IGNORED the selection of the people and hand-picked the DEI candidate. You need to grow a brain.

Biden dropped out of the race. You need to grow a brain.

 

[Jarod the Original]

What "-ism" does the non-western world live under?

Turkey and Russia were never examples of classical liberalism

America was an -acy.... DemocrACY. Most of Europe are Classic Liberal Democracies.

Russia was Communist and then tried to developed a Classical Liberal Democracy, but fell into dictatorship under Putin.

 

[Lisa558]

No DEI candidate was forced on your party either.

Why is it okay for RFK to be nominated without a primary if this is supposedly such a problem for democracy?

Of course no DEI candidate was forced on our party. We had a primary, and Trump won, RFK was not nominated.

YOUR party had a primary, the voters picked Biden, and then Dem leaders to IGNORE that and force him out. The problem is they were they forced to go with an idiot who was in that position due to her female blackness.

 

[Lisa558]

Biden dropped out of the race. You need to grow a brain.

He was FORCED OUT. You need to stop lying.

 

[Jarod the Original]

I think there is always a trend that people are not currently happy with their lives and want change. So, they vote the opposite of what's currently in. Trouble is, too many voters, particularly younger people who actually vote, don't understand that when you vote in socialism you can't change your mind anymore and vote it back out. Once it's in place, there is no way out. Just ask all the socialist countries who are stuck with socialism and can't vote it back out and all of those "immigrants" who fled to the US because that was the only way to escape their country's socialim. These same voters claim that Trump is taking democracy away and yet we still have a system where they can vote Trump out and bring in socialism. That won't be the same when they wind up voting in socialism and then find out that they won't be able to vote it back out.

America has a long history of having some Socialism. It has always been a ballance. All Classic Liberal Democracies have some balance between Capitalism. IN fact, the fight has always been over that ballance.

There are plenty of Countries that have more socialism in their ballance than we do, but they are not Socialists. What Country would you call Socialist?

 

[Jarod the Original]

Trump's investing government money into private industry is state capitalism/socialism.

Or promotion of Oligarchy.

 

[Marener]

He was FORCED OUT. You need to stop lying.

He decided to drop out. There was no force.

Biden finalized his decision to drop out Sunday. His staff knew one minute before the public did

It was never Biden’s intention to leave the race: Up until he decided to step aside Sunday, he was all in.

www.pbs.org

 

[Marener]

Of course no DEI candidate was forced on our party. We had a primary, and Trump won, RFK was not nominated.

YOUR party had a primary, the voters picked Biden, and then Dem leaders to IGNORE that and force him out. The problem is they were they forced to go with an idiot who was in that position due to her female blackness.

RFK Jr was nominated by parties all over the country. Didn't you know that? Never won a primary.

Is that okay with you?

 

[Jarod the Original]

I think there is always a trend that people are not currently happy with their lives and want change. So, they vote the opposite of what's currently in. Trouble is, too many voters, particularly younger people who actually vote, don't understand that when you vote in socialism you can't change your mind anymore and vote it back out. Once it's in place, there is no way out. Just ask all the socialist countries who are stuck with socialism and can't vote it back out and all of those "immigrants" who fled to the US because that was the only way to escape their country's socialim. These same voters claim that Trump is taking democracy away and yet we still have a system where they can vote Trump out and bring in socialism. That won't be the same when they wind up voting in socialism and then find out that they won't be able to vote it back out.

Trump promotes and has passed many Bills that introduced additional Socialism into our system. He has also done the same with Capitalism. He does not show a clear inclination toward either.

 

[Jarod the Original]

I see what you're saying. You're saying that you now agree that socialism is the way and that Trump is your socialist leader. In any event, your side accuses Trump of taking democracy away and yet your side is planning on success not only in the midterms but in 2028 as well. So, I guess even you are admitting that Trump hasn't taken democracy away after all.

Hopefully he has been unsuccessful, we will see.