the devil doesn't make you do it

[harmonica]

Evil and sin is really in the eye of the beholder. What some people think are evil are not evil to others. There are certain things, I think we can all agree on what is evil such as murdering. But then one may ask themselves why is it ok for governments to send troops out to kill people?

A set of rules to live by is good to hold a society together and everyone should apply the golden rule but different societies, religions and civilization define themselves what a sin is according to that civilization. I don't think it is some God with a beard in the sky dictating what is right and wrong.

Well if you ask Chairman Xiden if the genocide in China is wrong, he will say it is just their culture.

But if you ask him if Georgia changing their voting law is bad, his head will spend round and spew bile at you saying they are all Jim Crow bastards.

So yea, the logic of man dictates truth is relative, but at the end of the day, God knows that genocide is evil and the Georgia voting law is simply there to make cheating harder when voting. It matters little what Chairman Xiden says and will be held to account for it one day.

good call ...that's their [ BLM/Dems/etc '''''logic''' ]

 

[Thoth001]

Evil and sin is really in the eye of the beholder. What some people think is evil may not be evil to others. There are certain things, I think we can all agree on what is evil such as murdering. But then one may ask themselves why is it ok for governments to send troops out to kill people?

A set of rules to live by is good to hold a society together and everyone should apply the golden rule but different societies, religions and civilization define themselves what a sin is according to that civilization. I don't think it is some God with a beard in the sky dictating what is right and wrong.

....I agree on much of what you say, except I don't think murdering is evil...I think it is humans being human ..of course it's wrong and a lot of them should get the death penalty /etc
---but then, like you say, it's in the eye of the beholder--but I'm a realist..it's not a spiritual/etc thing.....the BTK killer called it ''Factor X'', .....I think...and there are studies/etc on the '''Murder Gene'''/etc
---and, there are not only people that murder, but many more that shoot but only injure --and many more stabbings/beatings/attacks/rapes/etc --so, there is much more violence than people think
here it says 115,000 non-fatal shootings

Facts and Figures

Review some basics on firearm injury and death, including a description of deaths from firearms by type and the economic costs.

health.ucdavis.edu

Thanks and good points. I guess if someone murdered Bill Gates or Dr. Fauci, I wouldn't think it was evil at all. Half the world would probably jump for joy.

 

[harmonica]

Some people are just a pos and others aren't.

some groups more than other groups---that's the facts--not hate/etc

 

[harmonica]

People sin because of their own problems.

doesn't everyone ''''sin''''?
.....personally, I don't believe in '''sin'''--as stated I think it's humans being human

 

[harmonica]

......so I was asking a ''christian''' why do some people sin and others don't......why do some '''choose''' to sin and others don't ...he said ''the devil makes them do it/the devil gets them'''....so I ask how does the devil do that to some and not others......he had nothing to say...he just walked away
..so, why do some people sin and others don't?
well, it's nature and nurture and both ......
..if there is total free will, why choose sin?? PRIESTS of all people should '''''choose'''' not to sin--but they do

Nature vs. Nurture: Examples, Definition, Traits, Effects on Genes, Mental, Physical Health

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All sin. All fall short. Let he who who says he is without sin, pass the first stone and many more. And make them big ones.

..that's a good point--yes, everyone ''sins'''.....because, IMO, it's just humans doing what humans were '''''created''' to do/made to do/can't help it

 

[harmonica]

God made man evil, and man spends his whole life trying to wash that off. Unsuccessfully, I might add.

Maimonides responds...

MEN frequently think that the evils in the world are more numerous than the good things, that just isn't the case. He who thinks that he can have flesh and bones without being subject to any external influence, or any of the accidents of matter, unconsciously wishes to reconcile two opposites, viz., to be at the same time subject and not subject to change. If man were never subject to change there could be no generation: there would be one single being, but no individuals forming a species. It would be in vain to expect to see living beings formed of the blood of menstruous women and the semen virile, who will not die, will never feel pain, or will move perpetually, or will shine like the sun. Whatever is formed of any matter receives the most perfect form possible in that species of matter: in each individual case the defects are in accordance with the defects of that individual matter. The best and most perfect being that can be formed of the blood and the semen is the species of man, for as far as man's nature is known, he is living, reasonable, and mortal. It is therefore impossible that man should be free from this species of evil. You will, nevertheless, find that the evils of the above kind which befall man are very few and rare.

It must be admitted as a fact that it cannot be said of God that He directly creates evil, or He has the direct intention to produce evil; this is impossible His works are all perfectly good. He only produces existence, and all existence is good. God is perfect goodness, and that all that comes from Him is absolutely good. Consequently the true work of God is all good, since it is existence. ALL the great evils which men cause to each other because of certain intentions, desires, opinions, or religious principles, are likewise due to non-existence, because they originate in ignorance, which is absence of wisdom. The numerous evils to which individual persons are exposed are due to the defects existing in the persons themselves. We suffer from the evils which we, by our own free will, inflict on ourselves and ascribe them to God, who is far from being connected with them. Man himself is the author of this class of evils. The error of the ignorant goes so far as to say that God's power is insufficient, because He has given to this Universe the properties which they imagine cause these great evils.

What's his point? It's all mumbo jumbo to me.

You'd actually have to read it to understand his point.

Just sum it up for me, I have no idea what he's going on about. Is it all fartsmoke?

It must be admitted as a fact that it cannot be said of God that He directly creates evil, or He has the direct intention to produce evil; this is impossible His works are all perfectly good. He only produces existence, and all existence is good. God is perfect goodness, and that all that comes from Him is absolutely good. Consequently the true work of God is all good, since it is existence.

And you consistently and intentionally overestimate the bad and underestimate the good to rationalize your beliefs that there is no God.

No, there’s good, no problem there, but if god made everything, then the universe was hard wired for bad too, by god.

Bad is the absence of good, dummy.

why do you sin?? if there is total free will?

 

[Votto]

We are born into sin, so at some point will will fall short and sin. But the worst of it is that sin enslaves

John 8:34 Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.

I prefer 2 Peter 2:22 to describe what is going on describing a dog that lick back up his own vomit.

People don't want to return, but feel compelled to return to sin they disdain.

So Christ is the supernatural entity that has the power to break the chains of sin.

Jesus once gave the story of the Good Samaritan. In the story, the Samaritan finds the man dying on the side of the road, scoops him up, and takes him to someone to patch him up.

That is a more accurate perspective as to what is going on in relation to how dependent we need to be on Christ to overcome sin. If you think you can do it on your own, you will find out quickly you can't.

..so there is not total free will--yes?

Total free will? No. Total free will would be if you willed that you did not have a sin nature. Being born into this world, you don't have that choice, it has been made for you.

However, you do have the freedom to make one choice, that is, what to do about it. Our free will boils down to accepting or rejecting God.

You could argue that since God made everything, is in control of everything, knows the end result of everything, that there is no free will regarding anything. However, I would argue that since God is a God of love, the freedom to choose or reject him is key for this love to actually exist. For you see, love does not really exist between two parties if the two parties don't have the freedom to reject or accept the other. We see this in human relationships where some try to control the other. In such relationships, there is no love so long as one party tries to control and manipulate the other. And so it goes, God did not create evil, rather, evil is simply rejecting his love. Like darkness, evil does not really exist, it merely is a word, like darkness, that is used to describe a lack of light that does exist.

But God controlling every aspect of our existence is not what we see in the scripturas with Christ coming down to give his life for our sins, that is, God in the flesh. He came to serve, not control. It is God who gives us any freedoms we have, and it is man alone who tries to take them away, just like they took the freedoms and life of Christ away.

So how can God give us free will if he controls all? That is the big mystery, but if God is capable of anything, he is capable of this.

Why would he do it is the big question? So if you were God and could control and manipulate everything, would it not get boring? It would be akin to playing tic tac toe with yourself all day. However, willfully surrender the smallest sliver of your power and control when it comes to human free will, no matter how small and insignificant we are in comparison to the universe, and it would consume all your attention.

 

[harmonica]

God made man evil, and man spends his whole life trying to wash that off. Unsuccessfully, I might add.

Maimonides responds...

MEN frequently think that the evils in the world are more numerous than the good things, that just isn't the case. He who thinks that he can have flesh and bones without being subject to any external influence, or any of the accidents of matter, unconsciously wishes to reconcile two opposites, viz., to be at the same time subject and not subject to change. If man were never subject to change there could be no generation: there would be one single being, but no individuals forming a species. It would be in vain to expect to see living beings formed of the blood of menstruous women and the semen virile, who will not die, will never feel pain, or will move perpetually, or will shine like the sun. Whatever is formed of any matter receives the most perfect form possible in that species of matter: in each individual case the defects are in accordance with the defects of that individual matter. The best and most perfect being that can be formed of the blood and the semen is the species of man, for as far as man's nature is known, he is living, reasonable, and mortal. It is therefore impossible that man should be free from this species of evil. You will, nevertheless, find that the evils of the above kind which befall man are very few and rare.

It must be admitted as a fact that it cannot be said of God that He directly creates evil, or He has the direct intention to produce evil; this is impossible His works are all perfectly good. He only produces existence, and all existence is good. God is perfect goodness, and that all that comes from Him is absolutely good. Consequently the true work of God is all good, since it is existence. ALL the great evils which men cause to each other because of certain intentions, desires, opinions, or religious principles, are likewise due to non-existence, because they originate in ignorance, which is absence of wisdom. The numerous evils to which individual persons are exposed are due to the defects existing in the persons themselves. We suffer from the evils which we, by our own free will, inflict on ourselves and ascribe them to God, who is far from being connected with them. Man himself is the author of this class of evils. The error of the ignorant goes so far as to say that God's power is insufficient, because He has given to this Universe the properties which they imagine cause these great evils.

What's his point? It's all mumbo jumbo to me.

You'd actually have to read it to understand his point.

Just sum it up for me, I have no idea what he's going on about. Is it all fartsmoke?

It must be admitted as a fact that it cannot be said of God that He directly creates evil, or He has the direct intention to produce evil; this is impossible His works are all perfectly good. He only produces existence, and all existence is good. God is perfect goodness, and that all that comes from Him is absolutely good. Consequently the true work of God is all good, since it is existence.

And you consistently and intentionally overestimate the bad and underestimate the good to rationalize your beliefs that there is no God.

No, there’s good, no problem there, but if god made everything, then the universe was hard wired for bad too, by god.

....I agree...as I just posted, humans were created/made/etc to do what they do--''good''' or ''bad'''......if I had my way, murderers should be put to death/put in with the apes at the zoo, etc ---but I believe they were ''born''/raised/etc in their circumstances that '''created them'''.....

 

[harmonica]

We are born into sin, so at some point will will fall short and sin. But the worst of it is that sin enslaves

John 8:34 Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.

I prefer 2 Peter 2:22 to describe what is going on describing a dog that lick back up his own vomit.

People don't want to return, but feel compelled to return to sin they disdain.

So Christ is the supernatural entity that has the power to break the chains of sin.

Jesus once gave the story of the Good Samaritan. In the story, the Samaritan finds the man dying on the side of the road, scoops him up, and takes him to someone to patch him up.

That is a more accurate perspective as to what is going on in relation to how dependent we need to be on Christ to overcome sin. If you think you can do it on your own, you will find out quickly you can't.

..so there is not total free will--yes?

Total free will? No. Total free will would be if you willed that you did not have a sin nature. Being born into this world, you don't have that choice, it has been made for you.

However, you do have the freedom to make one choice, that is, what to do about it. Our free will boils down to accepting or rejecting God.

You could argue that since God made everything, is in control of everything, knows the end result of everything, that there is no free will regarding anything. However, I would argue that since God is a God of love, the freedom to choose or reject him is key for this love to actually exist. For you see, love does not really exist between two parties if the two parties don't have the freedom to reject or accept the other. We see this in human relationships where some try to control the other. In such relationships, there is no love so long as one party tries to control and manipulate the other. And so it goes, God did not create evil, rather, evil is simply rejecting his love. Like darkness, evil does not really exist, it merely is a word, like darkness, that is used to describe a lack of light that does exist.

But God controlling every aspect of our existence is not what we see in the scripturas with Christ coming down to give his life for our sins, that is, God in the flesh. He came to serve, not control. It is God who gives us any freedoms we have, and it is man alone who tries to take them away.

So how can God give us free will if he controls all? That is the big mystery, but if God is capable of anything, he is capable of this.

Why would he do it is the big question? So if you were God and could control and manipulate everything, would it not get boring? It would be akin to playing tic tac toe with yourself all day. However, willfully surrender the smallest sliver of your power and control when it comes to human free will, no matter how small and insignificant we are in comparison to the universe, and it would consume all your attention.

.....ok, but since no one has proven there is a god, that is all ''very'' moot....I'm a realist--humans get pissed/jealous/lonely/hateful/crazy/etc---god has nothing to do with the free will/etc

 

[harmonica]

The Holocaust is the classic example of man's evil.

Those who deny evil inherit evil.

1 humans have done that for centuries--there have been many genocides before and after the Holocaust = humans doing what humans do/'''natural'''/etc
2. you can't measure evil--the Holocaust was humans murdering humans--just like when 1 human murders another

 

[beautress]

......so I was asking a ''christian''' why do some people sin and others don't......why do some '''choose''' to sin and others don't ...he said ''the devil makes them do it/the devil gets them'''....so I ask how does the devil do that to some and not others......he had nothing to say...he just walked away
..so, why do some people sin and others don't?
well, it's nature and nurture and both ......
..if there is total free will, why choose sin?? PRIESTS of all people should '''''choose'''' not to sin--but they do

Nature vs. Nurture: Examples, Definition, Traits, Effects on Genes, Mental, Physical Health

Read about nature vs. nurture examples. The nature vs. nurture theory has been discussed since Hippocrates was alive. Nature refers to how our genetic makeup affects our physical and mental health, while nurture refers to how our environment affects our physical and mental health. For example...

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You might consider the word "devil" could be a figure of speech. Otherwise that "the devil is in the details" doesn't mean squat.

 

[harmonica]

......so I was asking a ''christian''' why do some people sin and others don't......why do some '''choose''' to sin and others don't ...he said ''the devil makes them do it/the devil gets them'''....so I ask how does the devil do that to some and not others......he had nothing to say...he just walked away
..so, why do some people sin and others don't?
well, it's nature and nurture and both ......
..if there is total free will, why choose sin?? PRIESTS of all people should '''''choose'''' not to sin--but they do

Nature vs. Nurture: Examples, Definition, Traits, Effects on Genes, Mental, Physical Health

Read about nature vs. nurture examples. The nature vs. nurture theory has been discussed since Hippocrates was alive. Nature refers to how our genetic makeup affects our physical and mental health, while nurture refers to how our environment affects our physical and mental health. For example...

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You might consider the word "devil" could be a figure of speech. Otherwise that "the devil is in the details" doesn't mean squat.

....so, why do ALL people '''choose'' to sin if there is total free will?

 

[beautress]

......so I was asking a ''christian''' why do some people sin and others don't......why do some '''choose''' to sin and others don't ...he said ''the devil makes them do it/the devil gets them'''....so I ask how does the devil do that to some and not others......he had nothing to say...he just walked away
..so, why do some people sin and others don't?
well, it's nature and nurture and both ......
..if there is total free will, why choose sin?? PRIESTS of all people should '''''choose'''' not to sin--but they do

Nature vs. Nurture: Examples, Definition, Traits, Effects on Genes, Mental, Physical Health

Read about nature vs. nurture examples. The nature vs. nurture theory has been discussed since Hippocrates was alive. Nature refers to how our genetic makeup affects our physical and mental health, while nurture refers to how our environment affects our physical and mental health. For example...

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You might consider the word "devil" could be a figure of speech. Otherwise that "the devil is in the details" doesn't mean squat.

....so, why do ALL people '''choose'' to sin if there is total free will?

Hormones are very demanding issues in human beings. Sex is all about competitive molecules that are unaware of sophisticated social mores surrounding fecundity and fighting the little do and don't molecules with a guided inclination of spreading the joy that continues the species. Hormones ignore all else but their purpose to bring life about in a life or death attitude that it takes to bring that little sperm to compete with his kindred to get there first eat his way through a membrane that tastes like a home run just before other molecules are pushed around to choose who does what to follow dna marching orders to do the creation of a being like no other to continue mankind's dominion as is stated in the book of Genesis to continue the image of God's pleasure. Of course atheists have already relegated the Good Book into the file thirteens of their fruitless pursuits, imho.

 

[harmonica]

......so I was asking a ''christian''' why do some people sin and others don't......why do some '''choose''' to sin and others don't ...he said ''the devil makes them do it/the devil gets them'''....so I ask how does the devil do that to some and not others......he had nothing to say...he just walked away
..so, why do some people sin and others don't?
well, it's nature and nurture and both ......
..if there is total free will, why choose sin?? PRIESTS of all people should '''''choose'''' not to sin--but they do

Nature vs. Nurture: Examples, Definition, Traits, Effects on Genes, Mental, Physical Health

Read about nature vs. nurture examples. The nature vs. nurture theory has been discussed since Hippocrates was alive. Nature refers to how our genetic makeup affects our physical and mental health, while nurture refers to how our environment affects our physical and mental health. For example...

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You might consider the word "devil" could be a figure of speech. Otherwise that "the devil is in the details" doesn't mean squat.

....so, why do ALL people '''choose'' to sin if there is total free will?

Hormones are very demanding issues in human beings. Sex is all about competitive molecules that are unaware of sophisticated social mores surrounding fecundity and fighting the little do and don't molecules with a guided inclination of spreading the joy that continues the species. Hormones ignore all else but their purpose to bring life about in a life or death attitude that it takes to bring that little sperm to compete with his kindred to get there first eat his way through a membrane that tastes like a home run just before other molecules are pushed around to choose who does what to follow dna marching orders to do the creation of a being like no other to continue mankind's dominion as is stated in the book of Genesis to continue the image of God's pleasure. Of course atheists have already relegated the Good Book into the file thirteens of their fruitless pursuits, imho.

the bible is just fairytales/etc

 

[White 6]

......so I was asking a ''christian''' why do some people sin and others don't......why do some '''choose''' to sin and others don't ...he said ''the devil makes them do it/the devil gets them'''....so I ask how does the devil do that to some and not others......he had nothing to say...he just walked away
..so, why do some people sin and others don't?
well, it's nature and nurture and both ......
..if there is total free will, why choose sin?? PRIESTS of all people should '''''choose'''' not to sin--but they do

Nature vs. Nurture: Examples, Definition, Traits, Effects on Genes, Mental, Physical Health

Read about nature vs. nurture examples. The nature vs. nurture theory has been discussed since Hippocrates was alive. Nature refers to how our genetic makeup affects our physical and mental health, while nurture refers to how our environment affects our physical and mental health. For example...

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All sin. All fall short. Let he who who says he is without sin, pass the first stone and many more. And make them big ones.

..that's a good point--yes, everyone ''sins'''.....because, IMO, it's just humans doing what humans were '''''created''' to do/made to do/can't help it

It is that free will decision making. Just screws up everything, doesn't it?

 

[harmonica]

......so I was asking a ''christian''' why do some people sin and others don't......why do some '''choose''' to sin and others don't ...he said ''the devil makes them do it/the devil gets them'''....so I ask how does the devil do that to some and not others......he had nothing to say...he just walked away
..so, why do some people sin and others don't?
well, it's nature and nurture and both ......
..if there is total free will, why choose sin?? PRIESTS of all people should '''''choose'''' not to sin--but they do

Nature vs. Nurture: Examples, Definition, Traits, Effects on Genes, Mental, Physical Health

Read about nature vs. nurture examples. The nature vs. nurture theory has been discussed since Hippocrates was alive. Nature refers to how our genetic makeup affects our physical and mental health, while nurture refers to how our environment affects our physical and mental health. For example...

www.medicinenet.com

All sin. All fall short. Let he who who says he is without sin, pass the first stone and many more. And make them big ones.

..that's a good point--yes, everyone ''sins'''.....because, IMO, it's just humans doing what humans were '''''created''' to do/made to do/can't help it

It is that free will decision making. Just screws up everything, doesn't it?

..I always ask if there is total free will then how come over 85% of murders are committed by males? how the the females ''choose''' better?
..or whites ''choose''' better?

 

[White 6]

......so I was asking a ''christian''' why do some people sin and others don't......why do some '''choose''' to sin and others don't ...he said ''the devil makes them do it/the devil gets them'''....so I ask how does the devil do that to some and not others......he had nothing to say...he just walked away
..so, why do some people sin and others don't?
well, it's nature and nurture and both ......
..if there is total free will, why choose sin?? PRIESTS of all people should '''''choose'''' not to sin--but they do

Nature vs. Nurture: Examples, Definition, Traits, Effects on Genes, Mental, Physical Health

Read about nature vs. nurture examples. The nature vs. nurture theory has been discussed since Hippocrates was alive. Nature refers to how our genetic makeup affects our physical and mental health, while nurture refers to how our environment affects our physical and mental health. For example...

www.medicinenet.com

All sin. All fall short. Let he who who says he is without sin, pass the first stone and many more. And make them big ones.

..that's a good point--yes, everyone ''sins'''.....because, IMO, it's just humans doing what humans were '''''created''' to do/made to do/can't help it

It is that free will decision making. Just screws up everything, doesn't it?

..I always ask if there is total free will then how come over 85% of murders are committed by males? how the the females ''choose''' better?
..or whites ''choose''' better?

Not met that many violent females, though I was in OCS with one or two that were bad to the bone. Trained a lot of males how to properly be violent when needed. Have seen a lot of testosterone fueled violence. Was not aware whites chose better. I thought serial killers in this country were predominately white, but could be wrong as I don't hang out on serial killers dot com.

 

[Infallible Arbiter]

God made man evil, and man spends his whole life trying to wash that off. Unsuccessfully, I might add.

Maimonides responds...

MEN frequently think that the evils in the world are more numerous than the good things, that just isn't the case. He who thinks that he can have flesh and bones without being subject to any external influence, or any of the accidents of matter, unconsciously wishes to reconcile two opposites, viz., to be at the same time subject and not subject to change. If man were never subject to change there could be no generation: there would be one single being, but no individuals forming a species. It would be in vain to expect to see living beings formed of the blood of menstruous women and the semen virile, who will not die, will never feel pain, or will move perpetually, or will shine like the sun. Whatever is formed of any matter receives the most perfect form possible in that species of matter: in each individual case the defects are in accordance with the defects of that individual matter. The best and most perfect being that can be formed of the blood and the semen is the species of man, for as far as man's nature is known, he is living, reasonable, and mortal. It is therefore impossible that man should be free from this species of evil. You will, nevertheless, find that the evils of the above kind which befall man are very few and rare.

It must be admitted as a fact that it cannot be said of God that He directly creates evil, or He has the direct intention to produce evil; this is impossible His works are all perfectly good. He only produces existence, and all existence is good. God is perfect goodness, and that all that comes from Him is absolutely good. Consequently the true work of God is all good, since it is existence. ALL the great evils which men cause to each other because of certain intentions, desires, opinions, or religious principles, are likewise due to non-existence, because they originate in ignorance, which is absence of wisdom. The numerous evils to which individual persons are exposed are due to the defects existing in the persons themselves. We suffer from the evils which we, by our own free will, inflict on ourselves and ascribe them to God, who is far from being connected with them. Man himself is the author of this class of evils. The error of the ignorant goes so far as to say that God's power is insufficient, because He has given to this Universe the properties which they imagine cause these great evils.

What's his point? It's all mumbo jumbo to me.

You'd actually have to read it to understand his point.

Just sum it up for me, I have no idea what he's going on about. Is it all fartsmoke?

It must be admitted as a fact that it cannot be said of God that He directly creates evil, or He has the direct intention to produce evil; this is impossible His works are all perfectly good. He only produces existence, and all existence is good. God is perfect goodness, and that all that comes from Him is absolutely good. Consequently the true work of God is all good, since it is existence.

And you consistently and intentionally overestimate the bad and underestimate the good to rationalize your beliefs that there is no God.

No, there’s good, no problem there, but if god made everything, then the universe was hard wired for bad too, by god.

Bad is the absence of good, dummy.

why do you sin?? if there is total free will?

if you have free will, why are you such an idiot?
What are you free from?

 

[harmonica]

......so I was asking a ''christian''' why do some people sin and others don't......why do some '''choose''' to sin and others don't ...he said ''the devil makes them do it/the devil gets them'''....so I ask how does the devil do that to some and not others......he had nothing to say...he just walked away
..so, why do some people sin and others don't?
well, it's nature and nurture and both ......
..if there is total free will, why choose sin?? PRIESTS of all people should '''''choose'''' not to sin--but they do

Nature vs. Nurture: Examples, Definition, Traits, Effects on Genes, Mental, Physical Health

Read about nature vs. nurture examples. The nature vs. nurture theory has been discussed since Hippocrates was alive. Nature refers to how our genetic makeup affects our physical and mental health, while nurture refers to how our environment affects our physical and mental health. For example...

www.medicinenet.com

All sin. All fall short. Let he who who says he is without sin, pass the first stone and many more. And make them big ones.

..that's a good point--yes, everyone ''sins'''.....because, IMO, it's just humans doing what humans were '''''created''' to do/made to do/can't help it

It is that free will decision making. Just screws up everything, doesn't it?

..I always ask if there is total free will then how come over 85% of murders are committed by males? how the the females ''choose''' better?
..or whites ''choose''' better?

Not met that many violent females, though I was in OCS with one or two that were bad to the bone. Trained a lot of males how to properly be violent when needed. Have seen a lot of testosterone fueled violence. Was not aware whites chose better. I thought serial killers in this country were predominately white, but could be wrong as I don't hang out on serial killers dot com.

hahahhahahah
blacks commit murder at FOUR times the rate--irrefutable numbers
HAHAHh again-- = a common MISTAKE people make that don't know the facts
--- ALL serial murders country wide don't even commit as many murders per year as blacks do in ONE MEDIUM sized city per year
..if you want the links/stats, please ask
..blacks commit over 3000 murders per year....serial killers less than 200......
...blacks rape at TWICE the rate of whites
...really, the point is the ''''choosing''' of MURDER--blacks ''''''''choose''' to murder at FOUR times the rate---if not total free will, why is this???!!

 

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......so I was asking a ''christian''' why do some people sin and others don't......why do some '''choose''' to sin and others don't ...he said ''the devil makes them do it/the devil gets them'''....so I ask how does the devil do that to some and not others......he had nothing to say...he just walked away
..so, why do some people sin and others don't?
well, it's nature and nurture and both ......
..if there is total free will, why choose sin?? PRIESTS of all people should '''''choose'''' not to sin--but they do

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All sin. All fall short. Let he who who says he is without sin, pass the first stone and many more. And make them big ones.

..that's a good point--yes, everyone ''sins'''.....because, IMO, it's just humans doing what humans were '''''created''' to do/made to do/can't help it

It is that free will decision making. Just screws up everything, doesn't it?

..I always ask if there is total free will then how come over 85% of murders are committed by males? how the the females ''choose''' better?
..or whites ''choose''' better?

Not met that many violent females, though I was in OCS with one or two that were bad to the bone. Trained a lot of males how to properly be violent when needed. Have seen a lot of testosterone fueled violence. Was not aware whites chose better. I thought serial killers in this country were predominately white, but could be wrong as I don't hang out on serial killers dot com.

yes--yes--UNDENIABLE--whites ''''choose'' better at not committing murder