The demise of Isreal is imminent!

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, in the 17th century, that sort of thing was considered "acceptable".

It isn't in the 20th century, that's the point. Kind of like how slavery was kind of okay back then and today it isn't.

Of course, these things were never, "Okay", it's just today we realize they are bad things.

The invasion of one State by another sovereign State has never been considered "acceptable". That is not what we are discussing here.

Here, we are discussing the return of a people to their homeland. As in migration. You may notice that migration is considered quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

Self-determination is also quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

You see, the thing with that is, those EUROPEAN Jews shared nothing with the people who lived there 2000 years ago but a bastardized, watered down version of their goofy, backward ass religion. and they don't even do that right, since they aren't stoning girls for not being virgins anymore.

But even if you take that position, the reality is, the Judeans were only ONE TRIBE over there. By the time the Romans finally got fed up with their shit, they weren't even speaking Hebrew anymore, they were speaking Aramaic. And when they got dispersed, they dropped Aramaic and started speaking Yiddish and a bunch of other local languages of their fellow Europeans.

See. And there you go. You are so invested in making up special rules for the Jewish people that you have to DIVORCE them from their history and their language and even their religion. That's the extent to which antisemites go to pretend that the Jewish people are not really the Jewish people. Its an absolutely ridiculous argument. And you do not apply the same criteria to other people.

The invasion of one State by another sovereign State has never been considered "acceptable". That is not what we are discussing here.

I hope not. Palestine never invaded another country.

Palestine never invaded another country.

Only because it was never a country.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And there is no "threat" of nuking the "world" if Israel does not get its way.
Israel has it to keep others from attacking it.
The same with the USA, India and many other countries.

Those other countries don't involve keeping a boot on the neck of half their population and threatening all their neighbors with nukes if they want to do something about it.

It does not depend on how many Jews were living on their ancient homeland.

Yeah, it kind of does... Kind of like I can't take a seat on the bus by shoving an old lady out of it because I sat in that seat last year.

Those other countries don't involve keeping a boot on the neck of half their population

You're right, most Muslim countries keep the boot on closer to 100% of their country.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The invasion of one State by another sovereign State has never been considered "acceptable". That is not what we are discussing here.

Here, we are discussing the return of a people to their homeland. As in migration. You may notice that migration is considered quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

Self-determination is also quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

See. And there you go. You are so invested in making up special rules for the Jewish people that you have to DIVORCE them from their history and their language and even their religion. That's the extent to which antisemites go to pretend that the Jewish people are not really the Jewish people. Its an absolutely ridiculous argument. And you do not apply the same criteria to other people.

The invasion of one State by another sovereign State has never been considered "acceptable". That is not what we are discussing here.

I hope not. Palestine never invaded another country.

A non-existent state cannot invade any country.

Do you have proof of that?

Of course not.

Proof of nonexistence? You are joking.

Funny that Israel has been fighting a non existent country for a hundred years and has no won yet.

Funny that Israel has been fighting a non existent country for a hundred years and has no won yet.

Funnier that Israel has been fighting Arabs and kicks their asses every time.

 

[Humanity]

Your need to have special rules for the Jewish people is so irrational

These "special rules" that seem to be applied by Team Israel are, as you say, totally "irrational"!

God. History. DNA and on and on and on...

It is based upon these "special rules" that Israel exists.

 

[rylah]

Your need to have special rules for the Jewish people is so irrational

These "special rules" that seem to be applied by Team Israel are, as you say, totally "irrational"!

God. History. DNA and on and on and on...

It is based upon these "special rules" that Israel exists.

Israel is indeed based on G-d, history but not on DNA.
Culture is what defines any other nation - there's nothing special about it in theory...but it is very unusual for people to comprehend...that an ancient nation described in their holy books indeed exists in front of their eyes as a sovereign state.

It raises up many inconvenient questions about the Bible...

 

[Shusha]

Your need to have special rules for the Jewish people is so irrational

These "special rules" that seem to be applied by Team Israel are, as you say, totally "irrational"!

God. History. DNA and on and on and on...

It is based upon these "special rules" that Israel exists.

Not so. Israel applies the same rules that apply to all other indigenous cultures. Kurds. Catalans. First Nations of the Americas. Arab Palestinians. All the peoples of the world who seek self-determination.

Also all the peoples of the world who already have self-determination. Serbs. And Croats. And Czechs. And the Koreans. And Montenegrans. And south Sudanese. And all the others.

The rules are exactly the same. And apply to all. You don't see anyone on Team Israel claiming that Catalans don't exist. Or don't count as a people.

And Team Israel never uses the DNA argument, though they often respond to false claims by Team Palestine.

Some use the G-d argument. Not many. I personally think the G-d argument is ridiculous. From anyone.

 

[Shusha]

History.

Really? You don't think history is a good basis for the self-determination of a peoples? What is then?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Um, what about when the Arabs came in all the way from wherever and the Jews and Christians were already there?

Oh yeah. Makes no never mind to you about that inconvenient truth does it?

Because it didn't happen. There were almost no Jews in Palestine before 1900. Zionism is colonialism by other means....

See. And there you go. You are so invested in making up special rules for the Jewish people that you have to DIVORCE them from their history and their language and even their religion. That's the extent to which antisemites go to pretend that the Jewish people are not really the Jewish people. Its an absolutely ridiculous argument. And you do not apply the same criteria to other people.

Oh, I freely admit that the Jewish people are the Jewish people. they aren't the JUDEAN people. Those people went the way of the Edomites and Aramians and Moabites and Ammonites. History is full of nations that disappeared.

Some Europeans calling themselves something similiar and saying, "Our God Promised us this land!"

To which I reply "The same God who did nothing when the Germans were trying to wipe you out? Maybe you need a new God. I hear Zeus isn't busy."

It's a myth that almost no Jews lived in Israel from 70 CE to the 1800's. It was during this period that the Kabbalah (Jewish mysticism) was invented in Eretz Yisrael (the Land of Israel). It was during this period that the Kabbalat Shabbat prayers were composed by the Kabbalists in Jerusalem, Tiberias, Sefad and Hebron.

 

[Roudy]

And see? There you go again. Your need to have special rules for the Jewish people is so irrational that you have to claim that the Jewish people don't exist. When they clearly do. Its so irrational, so ridiculous .... it boggles the mind.

a bunch of Europeans with a goofy religion aren't "a people'.

It's as silly as the Scientologists claiming the land where Space Lord Zenu landed.

I find it interesting that you bash all other religions except Islam, now why is that? Must be that Muslim "tolerance". Keeping in mind that Islam was created by a warlord, who's followers and himself invaded, raped, and looted everywhere they went.

And you wonder why Israel enjoys such high approval among the American public and successive governments? People like you exactly why Israel will has been....

WINNING!

 

[Roudy]

The invasion of one State by another sovereign State has never been considered "acceptable". That is not what we are discussing here.

Here, we are discussing the return of a people to their homeland. As in migration. You may notice that migration is considered quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

Self-determination is also quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

See. And there you go. You are so invested in making up special rules for the Jewish people that you have to DIVORCE them from their history and their language and even their religion. That's the extent to which antisemites go to pretend that the Jewish people are not really the Jewish people. Its an absolutely ridiculous argument. And you do not apply the same criteria to other people.

The invasion of one State by another sovereign State has never been considered "acceptable". That is not what we are discussing here.

I hope not. Palestine never invaded another country.

A non-existent state cannot invade any country.

Do you have proof of that?

Of course not.

Proof of nonexistence? You are joking.

Funny that Israel has been fighting a non existent country for a hundred years and has no won yet.

Israel has been fighting Arab IslamoNazism since the days of the "Palestinian" Nazi mufti and as we can clearly see....

WINNING!

Especially recently, when became president.

I know this must be hard for Hamas lovers like you to accept that your fantasies of the destruction of Israel are about to get flushed down the toilet of history, that's why you keep going off topic.

 

[Roudy]

Your need to have special rules for the Jewish people is so irrational

These "special rules" that seem to be applied by Team Israel are, as you say, totally "irrational"!

God. History. DNA and on and on and on...

It is based upon these "special rules" that Israel exists.

Yeah, and all those special rules that Arab Muslims have?

 

[JoeB131]

The Jews of the 1940s carved-out a homeland of their own without any substantive help from the United States.

You mean they stole a bunch of land with the help of the British... who were hoping to outsource their failing empire.

It's merely much easier to do so with the backing of an excellent friend such as the United States.

I think you spelled "Patsy" wrong.

The Jews are determined never to allow Gentiles to slaughter them again.

To do that, they need a patch of earth of their own.

Um,no, giving people valid reasons to WANT to kill you isn't likely to prevent another mass slaughter, it's more likely to cause one

They chose Israel-Judea-Palestine, naturally.

Hell, the camel jockeys weren't doing anything worthwhile with the damned thing anyway.

And who gets to determine that? So if someone decides they can make better use of your land, they should be able to take it from you?

 

[Kondor3]

...Um,no, giving people valid reasons to WANT to kill you isn't likely to prevent another mass slaughter, it's more likely to cause one...

Ummmm... yes... but you (anti-Israeli, Palestinian sympathizers) can always try to take them on.

...So if someone decides they can make better use of your land, they should be able to take it from you?

If they have a bigger arsenal, well, yeah... just ask your Russian friends... or the Ukranians... code word "Crimea".

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Jews of the 1940s carved-out a homeland of their own without any substantive help from the United States.

You mean they stole a bunch of land with the help of the British... who were hoping to outsource their failing empire.

It's merely much easier to do so with the backing of an excellent friend such as the United States.

I think you spelled "Patsy" wrong.

The Jews are determined never to allow Gentiles to slaughter them again.

To do that, they need a patch of earth of their own.

Um,no, giving people valid reasons to WANT to kill you isn't likely to prevent another mass slaughter, it's more likely to cause one

They chose Israel-Judea-Palestine, naturally.

Hell, the camel jockeys weren't doing anything worthwhile with the damned thing anyway.

And who gets to determine that? So if someone decides they can make better use of your land, they should be able to take it from you?

The Jews are the First Nation of the land of Israel.

They are not invaders of their own ancient land.

They always had a presence in it, check the history from the Phillistines (Greeks) to the Ottomans (Turks)

There is a rich Jewish history on the land and no one has ever denied it or attempted to deny it until the Jews sought sovereignty over any part of their ancient homeland where they were still living.

Make any and all accusations you like, based on what you wish has happened, and not what has actually happened.
It will not change anything.

The Jews have achieved what many other indigenous people in the world have been dreaming for centuries.
Sovereignty over any part of their own ancient homeland.
And many indigenous people support the Jewish people, as they seek the same.

The Jews were the Palestinians living on the land at the time the Romans changed the name of Judea into Syria Palestinea in 135 CE.

The Arabs who invaded 5 centuries later were very aware of the history of the Jews on that land, and respected them enough to let them return to Jerusalem which had been closed to them by the Romans, and then the Christian Byzantine.

Your fantasy world will not change anything about the history of the region, or the need for the Jewish people to protect their people and land from those, like you, who have always sought to harm them and who continue to wish to harm them.

Are you going to tell us that others have always had a valid reason to want to kill Jews for the past 1700 years?

 

[JoeB131]

The Jews are the First Nation of the land of Israel.

No they aren't. they're just a bunch of Europeans who picked a goofy religion.

"Hey, let's pick that religion witha lot of stupid rules and no promise of an interesting afterlife?"

The Arabs who invaded 5 centuries later were very aware of the history of the Jews on that land, and respected them enough to let them return to Jerusalem which had been closed to them by the Romans, and then the Christian Byzantine.

Yes, they did. What they didn't do was let them steal their land.

You see, very few "Arabs" actually invaded. they just converted the people there to Islam and they replaced Aramaic with Arabic as the linga franca.

And everyone was fine with that for another 500 years until the stupidity of the Crusades. "MY Magic FAIRY IN THE SKY SAYS THAT'S MY LAND!!!" A bunch of European Assholes said.

Just like the Zionists.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Jews are the First Nation of the land of Israel.

No they aren't. they're just a bunch of Europeans who picked a goofy religion.

"Hey, let's pick that religion witha lot of stupid rules and no promise of an interesting afterlife?"

The Arabs who invaded 5 centuries later were very aware of the history of the Jews on that land, and respected them enough to let them return to Jerusalem which had been closed to them by the Romans, and then the Christian Byzantine.

Yes, they did. What they didn't do was let them steal their land.

You see, very few "Arabs" actually invaded. they just converted the people there to Islam and they replaced Aramaic with Arabic as the linga franca.

And everyone was fine with that for another 500 years until the stupidity of the Crusades. "MY Magic FAIRY IN THE SKY SAYS THAT'S MY LAND!!!" A bunch of European Assholes said.

Just like the Zionists.

You are the only European following some magic fairy of anything which tells you that the Jews ceased to exist, and some people of Turkish ancestry would care to choose the most hated religion by Christians and Muslims in order to "take" some land which has never been theirs.

Good intentions (yours) with very bad information (yours) is a very deadly combination.

But the conflict is not caused by bad information, it is cause by some Christians and Muslims who hate the Jewish people because that is what they have been taught for 2000 years.

Ignorance is eternal, and the Jewish people will not live dependent on those who are not ignorant and who do not wish them ill (death).

The People of Israel Live. As they always have. And have regained sovereignty over some of their ancient homeland, people like you like it, accept it or not.

Check your endless ignorance and desire to harm the Jewish people and then ask yourself who the real asshole is. You will eventually figure out that it is you.

The European assholes are the ones who hate the Jews and turned hatred of Jews into an art, with pogroms, the inquisition and even what happened during the Holocaust.

You, and others, really seem to think that a few people who may have converted to Judaism in the 10 century CE would care to remain Jewish and go through Pogrom after Pogrom, the Inquisition and then what happened in WWII without thinking twice about it?

And all for a very small piece of land Israel now stands on (lost 80% of it to the Muslims) and being surrounded by people who want to kill them?

Are you aware how the Khazars beat the Muslims again and again on their land and stayed safe from them in the centuries when the Monarchy stood in Central Asia.

By the way, Central Asia, where Khazar existed is not known as being Europe.
Therefore, even if all the Jews today were from there (not one of them is), it would still not make them European assholes.

Assholes are all the Europeans and Arab descendants who think they have the exclusive right to hate Jews and demand of those Jews whatever they want, because that is what their asshole ancestors were doing against the Jews.

As I said, you keep on believing all the Jew hating voices you hear or read on the tv, radio, internet and enjoy yourself .

You would never be sitting on your computer being as full of certainty about the falsehood of the Jews, if it weren't for the Christians and Muslims who know exactly where they want all Jews.

Under their boots, or nowhere else in the world.

Because, as we saw during the Holocaust, some Christians and Muslims decided that Jews were not needed on the world, anymore.

If they had been Europeans, as you say, all Christians had to do, like good ol' Hitler, was to force all of them to return to Christianity, after all the Khazars had been Christians.

But.....by all means.....do not bother yourself with the WHY, European Catholic Christianity and Hitler's Nazis, never thought or even bothered to do such a thing. Return all of those European Khazars to their one and true religion......Christianity.

Would you like to take a crack at thinking about what I just wrote and let me know what your conclusions might be?

WHY did the Catholic Church (and the Nazis) not simply force all of these "Khazar Jews" to return to Christianity as they had done during the Inquisition and many other times?
They had most of them in concentration camps.

It would have been so easy.


What is your answer to this?

 

[JoeB131]

But the conflict is not caused by bad information, it is cause by some Christians and Muslims who hate the Jewish people because that is what they have been taught for 2000 years.

Since Islam and Christianity are offshoots of the original Abrahamic religion, whose fault is that? If you want to invent a truly vicious sky pixie to justify the stealing of other people's land (which come to think of it, pretty much describes the genocide manual that is the old testament) you really shouldn't whine when it turns back on you.

As I said, you keep on believing all the Jew hating voices you hear or read on the tv, radio, internet and enjoy yourself .

You would never be sitting on your computer being as full of certainty about the falsehood of the Jews, if it weren't for the Christians and Muslims who know exactly where they want all Jews.

Guy, here's the thing. ALL religions are bullshit. What makes Zionism particularly obnoxious is they use the bullshit to excuse some truly awful behavior.

But.....by all means.....do not bother yourself with the WHY, European Catholic Christianity and Hitler's Nazis, never thought or even bothered to do such a thing. Return all of those European Khazars to their one and true religion......Christianity.

Would you like to take a crack at thinking about what I just wrote and let me know what your conclusions might be?

Same reason they didn't care about the religious grace of the Gypsies, Slavs, disabled, homosexuals or other people they wanted to eliminate in their misguided attempts to produce a "Master Race".

 

[Sixties Fan]

But the conflict is not caused by bad information, it is cause by some Christians and Muslims who hate the Jewish people because that is what they have been taught for 2000 years.

Since Islam and Christianity are offshoots of the original Abrahamic religion, whose fault is that? If you want to invent a truly vicious sky pixie to justify the stealing of other people's land (which come to think of it, pretty much describes the genocide manual that is the old testament) you really shouldn't whine when it turns back on you.

As I said, you keep on believing all the Jew hating voices you hear or read on the tv, radio, internet and enjoy yourself .

You would never be sitting on your computer being as full of certainty about the falsehood of the Jews, if it weren't for the Christians and Muslims who know exactly where they want all Jews.

Guy, here's the thing. ALL religions are bullshit. What makes Zionism particularly obnoxious is they use the bullshit to excuse some truly awful behavior.

But.....by all means.....do not bother yourself with the WHY, European Catholic Christianity and Hitler's Nazis, never thought or even bothered to do such a thing. Return all of those European Khazars to their one and true religion......Christianity.

Would you like to take a crack at thinking about what I just wrote and let me know what your conclusions might be?

Same reason they didn't care about the religious grace of the Gypsies, Slavs, disabled, homosexuals or other people they wanted to eliminate in their misguided attempts to produce a "Master Race".

And in the end.....

You did not really want to think, you didn't really want to ponder anything I wrote and the real questions I put up.

You are a total ignoramus scared to death fool.

And we, the descendants of the ancient Hebrews, Israelites, Judeans continue to live and be sovereign, at last, over part of our ancient homeland.

When is the your hoped for demise of Israel is going to happen?

Never.

As in NEVER AGAIN.

Am Israel Chai.
The People of Israel Live.

And they live and grow and prosper, as they did before, ON their ancient homeland.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It’s absurd that the US gives those Palestinian terrorists any money at all.

Go research how much money we send Palestine and how much we send Israel.

As Americans are homeless and starving, children especially, we send billions to Israel and what do we get? Hatred from the rest of the world?

Combat testing of our weapons systems.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I don’t give a shit. If we give the Palestinian terrorists one cent, it’s too much.

How can you not care about children starving on the streets and how negatively we are seen by the world outside of zionism?

Stop killing Israelis, throwing rocks at the troops, and launching rockets.

That would be a start!