The demise of Isreal is imminent!

[RoccoR]

RE: The demise of Isreal is imminent!
※→ JoeB131, √ fncceo, et al,

I'm nt sure that, under any interpretation or in any meaningful way, that it makes a difference.

Just as soon as you tell me what wars Arabs fought with Israel in the 1700s.

Naw, man, back in the 1700, the Jews were in Europe cheating the Goyim, so they didn't want to go to Palestine.

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The 1700's were characterized as a century of Great Rolling Expulsions!

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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Humanity]

In order for the concept of "corpus separatum" to actually work, each of the parties to the agreement must maintain the trust and confidence in the other parties involved. The arrangement must be in balance and with each party making a contribution to the political relationship at every social level.

It also requires 'parties' to NOT declare 'undivided capital' and illegally occupy east Jerusalem.

 

[Humanity]

which is why it's going to move its Embassy to Jerusalem

Announced immediately after Trump threatened every country who did not support him that he would remove financial support. I call that bribery and corruption.

Israel is the only country in the world that's not allowed to determine its own capital

Israel CAN determine its own capital. The issue with declaring disputed and illegally held territory is that, well, 1) It's disputed 2) its illegal

and it will never be a "corpus separatum" (which is what you want personally).

Yes, that is correct. corpus separatum is the ONLY solution that can work.

Trump announced that America would recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move its Embassy there. The U.S. is a sovereign nation and has every right to do that. Trump did NOT announce that every nation in the world must now move their embassies to Jerusalem, or else he would cut off aid to those countries, which is what you make it sound like he's doing. He said that any nation opposing America's sovereign right to move its OWN embassy there, would have their aid from the U.S. reevaluated. No other nation has a right to tell America where it can keep its embassies. And besides that, America has no obligation to provide massive amounts of aid to every country in the world. Other nations that decided to follow America's lead and move their embassies to Jerusalem are doing so, not out of fear of America--otherwise they would avoid criticizing the U.S. but still keep their embassies in Tel-Aviv. They are doing so because it's the right thing to do.

Correct, Trump did NOT announce that every nation must now move their embassy to Jerusalem.

Here's what he said...

“Let them vote against us,” he said.

“We’ll save a lot. We don’t care. But this isn’t like it used to be where they could vote against you and then you pay them hundreds of millions of dollars,” he said. “We’re not going to be taken advantage of any longer.”

Correct, there is NO requirement for any country to move it's embassy to where the US embassy may be.

Correct, the US is free to have it's embassy wherever the hell it wants.

Correct, the US no "obligation" to provide aid to anyone (Though that is debatable).

It is NOT correct that, for example, Guatemala came out and announced it would also move it's embassy to Jerusalem because "it's the right thing to do"... If you believe that then you are naive!

Guatemala announced it would also move it's embassy AFTER the Trump threats to remove aid.

Now, however you want to look at it that is plain and simple bullying and we all know what happens to bullies!

Trump on UN Jerusalem vote: 'we're watching your votes'

 

[Humanity]

Ah yes three powerhouses in world politics

Does it matter? Very soon there will be more nations that like the US will agree that a country has the right to determine where its capital should be.

Does it matter? Really roodboy?

Guatemala jumped straight on the bandwagon as soon as Trumps strong arm tactics were seen for what he really is, nothing more than a corrupt bully.

It needs some rather more powerful countries to join the idiot you call your leader to make any validity to his 'declaration'.

You know, countries that can't be bullied or bought!

The most powerful country in the world, the US of A and it's people, and it's politicians overwhelmingly support of Israel. In my book, that's what counts! And things just got much better for Israel.

Maybe if you wait another 100 years your luck will change?

Winning!

"The most powerful country in the world"?

Once upon a time maybe... Today, the US of A, thanks to the idiot in the White House, is a laughingstock in the world!

But yes, let Trump carry on with his isolationist ideas... Much better for everyone!

The US is still the most powerful democracy both economically and militarily by a long shot. It doesn't suprise me that a Pallywood propagandist would mock the US and its democractically elected leader.

Winning!

From what I see around the world AND within the US, there are plenty of people mocking the "elected leader" of the US.

I have friends in America, including Jewish friends, who send me messages almost weekly, apologizing for the pathetic "elected leader", his comments, his decisions, his attitude.

Trump is a laughing stock amongst world leaders and is making the US a laughing stock!

Losing !

 

[Sixties Fan]

Does it matter? Very soon there will be more nations that like the US will agree that a country has the right to determine where its capital should be.

Does it matter? Really roodboy?

Guatemala jumped straight on the bandwagon as soon as Trumps strong arm tactics were seen for what he really is, nothing more than a corrupt bully.

It needs some rather more powerful countries to join the idiot you call your leader to make any validity to his 'declaration'.

You know, countries that can't be bullied or bought!

The most powerful country in the world, the US of A and it's people, and it's politicians overwhelmingly support of Israel. In my book, that's what counts! And things just got much better for Israel.

Maybe if you wait another 100 years your luck will change?

Winning!

"The most powerful country in the world"?

Once upon a time maybe... Today, the US of A, thanks to the idiot in the White House, is a laughingstock in the world!

But yes, let Trump carry on with his isolationist ideas... Much better for everyone!

The US is still the most powerful democracy both economically and militarily by a long shot. It doesn't suprise me that a Pallywood propagandist would mock the US and its democractically elected leader.

Winning!

From what I see around the world AND within the US, there are plenty of people mocking the "elected leader" of the US.

I have friends in America, including Jewish friends, who send me messages almost weekly, apologizing for the pathetic "elected leader", his comments, his decisions, his attitude.

Trump is a laughing stock amongst world leaders and is making the US a laughing stock!

Losing !

Oddly, none of your posts spell the demise of Israel, imminent or not.

No matter who the President of the USA might be, then or now, Israel exists, strives and grows.

Winning, and winning again.

 

[Indeependent]

Those wars were Arab invasions of the sovereign state of Israel ... wars in which, incidentally, they got their collective arses handed to them.

Uh, guy, when the Jews had to come ALL THE WAY FROM EUROPE, and the Arabs were already there, then the Jews were the invaders.

See how that works?

Jews wanted to be the best Germans and you’re an idiot on every topic you discuss.

Uh, dude, you're a racist asshole and everyone is done with you.

Your depth of Middle East history is humurous.
There’s not one Arab nation that agrees with you.
I grew up in a Black neighborhood so be careful who you’re calling a racist, you non-Caucasian ass kisser.

 

[Humanity]

Does it matter? Really roodboy?

Guatemala jumped straight on the bandwagon as soon as Trumps strong arm tactics were seen for what he really is, nothing more than a corrupt bully.

It needs some rather more powerful countries to join the idiot you call your leader to make any validity to his 'declaration'.

You know, countries that can't be bullied or bought!

The most powerful country in the world, the US of A and it's people, and it's politicians overwhelmingly support of Israel. In my book, that's what counts! And things just got much better for Israel.

Maybe if you wait another 100 years your luck will change?

Winning!

"The most powerful country in the world"?

Once upon a time maybe... Today, the US of A, thanks to the idiot in the White House, is a laughingstock in the world!

But yes, let Trump carry on with his isolationist ideas... Much better for everyone!

The US is still the most powerful democracy both economically and militarily by a long shot. It doesn't suprise me that a Pallywood propagandist would mock the US and its democractically elected leader.

Winning!

From what I see around the world AND within the US, there are plenty of people mocking the "elected leader" of the US.

I have friends in America, including Jewish friends, who send me messages almost weekly, apologizing for the pathetic "elected leader", his comments, his decisions, his attitude.

Trump is a laughing stock amongst world leaders and is making the US a laughing stock!

Losing !

Oddly, none of your posts spell the demise of Israel, imminent or not.

No matter who the President of the USA might be, then or now, Israel exists, strives and grows.

Winning, and winning again.

Not so "oddly" really... I don't want the "demise" of Israel.

Well, it appears that it does matter who is president of the US. Trumps decision, IMHO, is based upon NOT what is best for Israel and Palestine but is one on his own 'agenda'...

It's not something that is going to 'help' with the peace process and surely that should be exactly what SHOULD be happening!

 

[Indeependent]

The most powerful country in the world, the US of A and it's people, and it's politicians overwhelmingly support of Israel. In my book, that's what counts! And things just got much better for Israel.

Maybe if you wait another 100 years your luck will change?

Winning!

"The most powerful country in the world"?

Once upon a time maybe... Today, the US of A, thanks to the idiot in the White House, is a laughingstock in the world!

But yes, let Trump carry on with his isolationist ideas... Much better for everyone!

The US is still the most powerful democracy both economically and militarily by a long shot. It doesn't suprise me that a Pallywood propagandist would mock the US and its democractically elected leader.

Winning!

From what I see around the world AND within the US, there are plenty of people mocking the "elected leader" of the US.

I have friends in America, including Jewish friends, who send me messages almost weekly, apologizing for the pathetic "elected leader", his comments, his decisions, his attitude.

Trump is a laughing stock amongst world leaders and is making the US a laughing stock!

Losing !

Oddly, none of your posts spell the demise of Israel, imminent or not.

No matter who the President of the USA might be, then or now, Israel exists, strives and grows.

Winning, and winning again.

Not so "oddly" really... I don't want the "demise" of Israel.

Well, it appears that it does matter who is president of the US. Trumps decision, IMHO, is based upon NOT what is best for Israel and Palestine but is one on his own 'agenda'...

It's not something that is going to 'help' with the peace process and surely that should be exactly what SHOULD be happening!

Every president pushes their own agenda

 

[fncceo]

There are currently more than 30 armed conflicts around the world with casualties much higher than the I/P Conflict.

You have to wonder what motivates people who have no vested interest in that conflict to be so obsessed over it.

One can not but wonder what motivates that obsession apart from a desire for peace.

 

[Humanity]

There are currently more than 30 armed conflicts around the world with casualties much higher than the I/P Conflict.

You have to wonder what motivates people who have no vested interest in that conflict to be so obsessed over it.

One can not but wonder what motivates that obsession apart from a desire for peace.

You answered your own question!

 

[Sixties Fan]

The most powerful country in the world, the US of A and it's people, and it's politicians overwhelmingly support of Israel. In my book, that's what counts! And things just got much better for Israel.

Maybe if you wait another 100 years your luck will change?

Winning!

"The most powerful country in the world"?

Once upon a time maybe... Today, the US of A, thanks to the idiot in the White House, is a laughingstock in the world!

But yes, let Trump carry on with his isolationist ideas... Much better for everyone!

The US is still the most powerful democracy both economically and militarily by a long shot. It doesn't suprise me that a Pallywood propagandist would mock the US and its democractically elected leader.

Winning!

From what I see around the world AND within the US, there are plenty of people mocking the "elected leader" of the US.

I have friends in America, including Jewish friends, who send me messages almost weekly, apologizing for the pathetic "elected leader", his comments, his decisions, his attitude.

Trump is a laughing stock amongst world leaders and is making the US a laughing stock!

Losing !

Oddly, none of your posts spell the demise of Israel, imminent or not.

No matter who the President of the USA might be, then or now, Israel exists, strives and grows.

Winning, and winning again.

Not so "oddly" really... I don't want the "demise" of Israel.

Well, it appears that it does matter who is president of the US. Trumps decision, IMHO, is based upon NOT what is best for Israel and Palestine but is one on his own 'agenda'...

It's not something that is going to 'help' with the peace process and surely that should be exactly what SHOULD be happening!

“We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.”
Golda Meir

 

[teddyearp]

Uh, guy, when the Jews had to come ALL THE WAY FROM EUROPE, and the Arabs were already there, then the Jews were the invaders.

See how that works?

Um, what about when the Arabs came in all the way from wherever and the Jews and Christians were already there?

Oh yeah. Makes no never mind to you about that inconvenient truth does it?

 

[Roudy]

Does it matter? Very soon there will be more nations that like the US will agree that a country has the right to determine where its capital should be.

Does it matter? Really roodboy?

Guatemala jumped straight on the bandwagon as soon as Trumps strong arm tactics were seen for what he really is, nothing more than a corrupt bully.

It needs some rather more powerful countries to join the idiot you call your leader to make any validity to his 'declaration'.

You know, countries that can't be bullied or bought!

The most powerful country in the world, the US of A and it's people, and it's politicians overwhelmingly support of Israel. In my book, that's what counts! And things just got much better for Israel.

Maybe if you wait another 100 years your luck will change?

Winning!

"The most powerful country in the world"?

Once upon a time maybe... Today, the US of A, thanks to the idiot in the White House, is a laughingstock in the world!

But yes, let Trump carry on with his isolationist ideas... Much better for everyone!

The US is still the most powerful democracy both economically and militarily by a long shot. It doesn't suprise me that a Pallywood propagandist would mock the US and its democractically elected leader.

Winning!

From what I see around the world AND within the US, there are plenty of people mocking the "elected leader" of the US.

I have friends in America, including Jewish friends, who send me messages almost weekly, apologizing for the pathetic "elected leader", his comments, his decisions, his attitude.

Trump is a laughing stock amongst world leaders and is making the US a laughing stock!

Losing !

Oh wow, you also have liberal friends who have become mentally ill over the fact that Trump became president? Meanwhile, Israel is chugging along, benefitting from the full support of the current administration, unlike the previous president, who stabbed Israel in the back several times. Aren't we grateful that crooked Hillary isn't president?

Winning!

 

[Shusha]

Yes, in the 17th century, that sort of thing was considered "acceptable".

It isn't in the 20th century, that's the point. Kind of like how slavery was kind of okay back then and today it isn't.

Of course, these things were never, "Okay", it's just today we realize they are bad things.

The invasion of one State by another sovereign State has never been considered "acceptable". That is not what we are discussing here.

Here, we are discussing the return of a people to their homeland. As in migration. You may notice that migration is considered quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

Self-determination is also quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

You see, the thing with that is, those EUROPEAN Jews shared nothing with the people who lived there 2000 years ago but a bastardized, watered down version of their goofy, backward ass religion. and they don't even do that right, since they aren't stoning girls for not being virgins anymore.

But even if you take that position, the reality is, the Judeans were only ONE TRIBE over there. By the time the Romans finally got fed up with their shit, they weren't even speaking Hebrew anymore, they were speaking Aramaic. And when they got dispersed, they dropped Aramaic and started speaking Yiddish and a bunch of other local languages of their fellow Europeans.

See. And there you go. You are so invested in making up special rules for the Jewish people that you have to DIVORCE them from their history and their language and even their religion. That's the extent to which antisemites go to pretend that the Jewish people are not really the Jewish people. Its an absolutely ridiculous argument. And you do not apply the same criteria to other people.

 

[Shusha]

Has it ever occurred for you to wonder WHY you must divorce the Jewish people from their history, their language and their religion? Its because if you DIDN'T, you would have to acknowledge that the Jewish people are simply coming home. And that is just awkward for you.

 

[JoeB131]

mmigration by the Jewish people, who are willing to assist with the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people - and the development of self-governing institutions - as implied by the the Declaration originally made on 2 November 1917, by the British Government, and approved by the Principle Allied Powers in the 1920 San Remo Convention.

Okay, buddy, got to stop you right there.

The British Government had no business giving away the Palestinian's land.

YOu see, the thing was, the originally started this bullshit during WWI to try to get Russian Jews to keep Russia in the war. The Russians had enough of that shit and got out of it.

And between 1919 and 1945, very few Jews were rushing over there. Not until after WWII, did you get a big flood of them.

 

[JoeB131]

The 1700's were characterized as a century of Great Rolling Expulsions!

yes, they do have a wonderful habit of pissing off anyone they encounter.

 

[JoeB131]

Um, what about when the Arabs came in all the way from wherever and the Jews and Christians were already there?

Oh yeah. Makes no never mind to you about that inconvenient truth does it?

Because it didn't happen. There were almost no Jews in Palestine before 1900. Zionism is colonialism by other means....

See. And there you go. You are so invested in making up special rules for the Jewish people that you have to DIVORCE them from their history and their language and even their religion. That's the extent to which antisemites go to pretend that the Jewish people are not really the Jewish people. Its an absolutely ridiculous argument. And you do not apply the same criteria to other people.

Oh, I freely admit that the Jewish people are the Jewish people. they aren't the JUDEAN people. Those people went the way of the Edomites and Aramians and Moabites and Ammonites. History is full of nations that disappeared.

Some Europeans calling themselves something similiar and saying, "Our God Promised us this land!"

To which I reply "The same God who did nothing when the Germans were trying to wipe you out? Maybe you need a new God. I hear Zeus isn't busy."

 

[JoeB131]

Has it ever occurred for you to wonder WHY you must divorce the Jewish people from their history, their language and their religion? Its because if you DIDN'T, you would have to acknowledge that the Jewish people are simply coming home. And that is just awkward for you.

No, what is awkward for me is that I live in the 21st Century, we have space shuttles and computers and medicines and stuff, and we still have people claiming they have the right to act like Jerks because a Magic Fairy in the Sky said so.

 

[Sixties Fan]

mmigration by the Jewish people, who are willing to assist with the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people - and the development of self-governing institutions - as implied by the the Declaration originally made on 2 November 1917, by the British Government, and approved by the Principle Allied Powers in the 1920 San Remo Convention.

Okay, buddy, got to stop you right there.

The British Government had no business giving away the Palestinian's land.

YOu see, the thing was, the originally started this bullshit during WWI to try to get Russian Jews to keep Russia in the war. The Russians had enough of that shit and got out of it.

And between 1919 and 1945, very few Jews were rushing over there. Not until after WWII, did you get a big flood of them.

It was not Palestinian Land.

And if it belonged to any "Palestinians", then it belonged to those the Romans renamed Judea after. The Jewish People, who still lived on the land.

A Master Conspiracy Theorist you are.

Not one conspiracy theory against the Jews you have not become attracted to, I see.

The Judeans/Palestinian Jews were always present on their ancient homeland.

When it got "flooded" by the indigenous Jews, is not important.
What is important is that they are the indigenous people of the land and most unfortunately it took a Caucasian madman and a Muslim Arab madman to force most Jews to leave Europe and the Arab conquered (yes, conquered) lands, in order for some of them to have a safe haven to return to in their own ancient homeland.

You wish to blame it all on the Jewish people.

Look int Christianity and Islam and what they have been capable of for the past 1700 years, and how many people they murdered on their way to "conquering the world" in the name of Christ or Allah.