The demise of Isreal is imminent!

[Shusha]

Since Islam and Christianity are offshoots of the original Abrahamic religion, whose fault is that?

Wait, what?! So if people come along and steal your religion and then do shitty things with it -- the victim of the original theft is to blame?

Guy, here's the thing. ALL religions are bullshit. What makes Zionism particularly obnoxious is they use the bullshit to excuse some truly awful behavior.

Compared to Christianity and Islam? Where is the "truly awful behavior" of having self-determination on your own ancestral and historical homeland?

 

[teddyearp]

Guy, here's the thing. ALL religions are bullshit. What makes Zionism particularly obnoxious is they use the bullshit to excuse some truly awful behavior

Zionism is NOT a religion, dip. And by your omission, you are inferring that you think that Muslums are innocent of any wrong whatsoever, right?

 

[Shusha]

Again, guy, here's how it's going to play out.

Eventually, the Zionists are going to realize that they can't continue to deny the rights of 8 million Palestinians. Not in the face of world pressure.

They might try a "Two-State" solution, if they give up the West Bank, but then they would just have a state importing terrorists into their heartland every day... and it doesn't solve the underlying problem.

No one is denying the rights of the Palestinians for a two-state solution. They have no rights to continue to commit violence against Jews. They absolutely have a right to a State. In order to have a State -- you have to follow the rules of having a State. Rule #1 is to stop attacking your neighbors and people in general because you don't think you should have to live next to someone who is Jewish. The Arab Palestinians have no rights to commit violence against Israelis or Jews.

Here's how its actually going to play out:

Israel is going to continue to assert authority and military and civil control over largely unoccupied parts of Area C, gradually increasing her area of influence. (Perfectly legal, btw). Israel is going to build, through this, a defensible border with its violent and unruly neighbor. Just like Gaza, the "West Bank" will be contained and controlled. There won't be any importing of weapons, except for some minor shit disturbing crap.

(And Israel is entirely correct in defending herself from people like you who call for her destruction.)

Israel is going to continue to foster good relationships with Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and any other Middle East Arab/Muslim country that wants to come out on the winner's side of the upcoming moderate/extremist war in the Arab Muslim world.

The Arab Palestinian government will have to decide which side of that war they want to be on. If they side with the extremists -- they will be crushed by Israel and Jordan. If they side with the moderates they will probably come out more-or-less unscathed as Jordan and Israel will subdue any extremists in their midst. At the end of it, though, they might very likely be absorbed by Jordan. (Which will be fine for all involved).

 

[Roudy]

Your choice:

Learn from those who live there or have been to Israel....
or remain an ignoramus.

I don't need to visit Israel or South Africa to recognize Apartheid when i see it.

You have not been to Israel but you have seen it in Israel.

Oh, I get it....

You are god, one of those magic ones in the sky, and from your porch upstairs, you can "see" everything.

Or, you have some humungous magnifier or any other apparatus which allows you to "see" apartheid in Israel without stepping foot there.

Fascinating....

South Africa and Israel: Looking Behind the Smoke Screen | HuffPost

Pictures like this tell me all I need to know about the Zionist entity and why most of the world hates it.

A Pallywood photo taken in Syria of victims having nothing to do with Israel? Is that all you got, lies and fraud?

 

[Roudy]

Well. Getting back on track, here's more evidence of the imminent "demise" <ahem> of Isrsel, since Trump became president:

BDS getting flushed down the toilet...WINNING!

S.720 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Israel Anti-Boycott Act

Introduced in Senate (03/23/2017)
Israel Anti-Boycott Act

This bill declares that Congress: (1) opposes the United Nations Human Rights Council resolution of March 24, 2016, which urges countries to pressure companies to divest from, or break contracts with, Israel; and (2) encourages full implementation of the United States-Israel Strategic Partnership Act of 2014 through enhanced, governmentwide, coordinated U.S.-Israel scientific and technological cooperation in civilian areas.

The bill amends the Export Administration Act of 1979 to declare that it shall be U.S. policy to oppose:

• requests by foreign countries to impose restrictive practices or boycotts against other countries friendly to the United States or against U.S. persons; and
• restrictive trade practices or boycotts fostered or imposed by an international governmental organization, or requests to impose such practices or boycotts, against Israel.

The bill prohibits any U.S. person engaged interstate or foreign commerce from supporting:

• any request by a foreign country to impose any boycott against a country that is friendly to the United States and that is not itself the object of any form of boycott pursuant to United States law or regulation, or
• any boycott fostered or imposed by any international governmental organization against Israel or any request by any international governmental organization to impose such a boycott.

The bill amends the Export-Import Bank Act of 1945 to include as a reason for the Export-Import Bank to deny credit applications for the export of goods and services between the United States and foreign countries, opposition to policies and actions that are politically motivated and are intended to penalize or otherwise limit commercial relations specifically with citizens or residents of Israel, entities organized under the laws of Israel, or the government of Israel.

 

[teddyearp]

I have posted this many times in many threads in the past. So much so, that I fear I am almost spamming the board with it, but here goes:

If the Palestinians would shrug off the shackles of their hate of everything 'Israel' and quit their violence and declare their nation within area 'A' as a peaceful new nation with no more malice to any of their neighbors, I bet that they could not only have area 'B', but perhaps much of what is left of much of area 'C'. Or with a true peace, they would gain very much in the world's eyes and for some of area 'C', there could very well be some swaps towards Afula and perhaps Nazareth as well.

 

[Roudy]

There will never be "peace", the obvious solution will present itself over time...within two generations Israel will annex most of the "West Bank" because by then there will be more Jews there than Arabs, and turn over what's left (which will be a very small portion) to the Jordanians who will grant immediate citizenship to the so called Palestinians.

And Gaza will of course be entirely Annexed by Egypt, Hamas and all related governing terror organizations will be decapitated, arrested, or killed. Both the Egyptians and Jordanians will be compensated for their troubles. The Palestinians will know not to **** with the Egyptians or Jordanians based on past history. Game, set, match.

WINNING!

 

[teddyearp]

Roudy, while realistically that very well may be how it plays out, however we already know how it turned out in the part with Jordan granting the Palestinians citizenship. Doubt they will make that mistake again.

Nor will the Palestinians go for it again because I am sure they also remember how that turned out for them.

No. Their only hope at this point I believe is what I proposed.

And quick.

Before it is too late.

Tick tock.

Thanks much in part to the 'big orange'!

 

[Roudy]

Roudy, while realistically that very well may be how it plays out, however we already know how it turned out in the part with Jordan granting the Palestinians citizenship. Doubt they will make that mistake again.

Exactly, when the Palestinians tried to pull a "Jordan is my homeland" bullshit revolt in 1971 the Jordanians killed more of them in a few days than have died in the entire Israel Palestinian conflict. Yet the late King Hussein dies an Arab hero and Nobel prize winner.

But you forget that already, a large percentage of Jordanians are Palestinians.

I think people who talk of "peace" are being a little naive, at best. There is no other solution. Orthodox and religious Jews who have 10 kids per family (LOL) will continue move into what they believe is their rightful ancestral and religious homeland, aka Judeah and Samaria, while the Palestinian population will continue to decrease, mostly through migration to other Arab countries, which is how they came to Israel in the first place.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Again, guy, here's how it's going to play out.

Eventually, the Zionists are going to realize that they can't continue to deny the rights of 8 million Palestinians. Not in the face of world pressure.

They might try a "Two-State" solution, if they give up the West Bank, but then they would just have a state importing terrorists into their heartland every day... and it doesn't solve the underlying problem.

No one is denying the rights of the Palestinians for a two-state solution. They have no rights to continue to commit violence against Jews. They absolutely have a right to a State. In order to have a State -- you have to follow the rules of having a State. Rule #1 is to stop attacking your neighbors and people in general because you don't think you should have to live next to someone who is Jewish. The Arab Palestinians have no rights to commit violence against Israelis or Jews.

Here's how its actually going to play out:

Israel is going to continue to assert authority and military and civil control over largely unoccupied parts of Area C, gradually increasing her area of influence. (Perfectly legal, btw). Israel is going to build, through this, a defensible border with its violent and unruly neighbor. Just like Gaza, the "West Bank" will be contained and controlled. There won't be any importing of weapons, except for some minor shit disturbing crap.

(And Israel is entirely correct in defending herself from people like you who call for her destruction.)

Israel is going to continue to foster good relationships with Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and any other Middle East Arab/Muslim country that wants to come out on the winner's side of the upcoming moderate/extremist war in the Arab Muslim world.

The Arab Palestinian government will have to decide which side of that war they want to be on. If they side with the extremists -- they will be crushed by Israel and Jordan. If they side with the moderates they will probably come out more-or-less unscathed as Jordan and Israel will subdue any extremists in their midst. At the end of it, though, they might very likely be absorbed by Jordan. (Which will be fine for all involved).

They absolutely have a right to a State.

Indeed, and they declared independence in 1948.

 

[Roudy]

Again, guy, here's how it's going to play out.

Eventually, the Zionists are going to realize that they can't continue to deny the rights of 8 million Palestinians. Not in the face of world pressure.

They might try a "Two-State" solution, if they give up the West Bank, but then they would just have a state importing terrorists into their heartland every day... and it doesn't solve the underlying problem.

No one is denying the rights of the Palestinians for a two-state solution. They have no rights to continue to commit violence against Jews. They absolutely have a right to a State. In order to have a State -- you have to follow the rules of having a State. Rule #1 is to stop attacking your neighbors and people in general because you don't think you should have to live next to someone who is Jewish. The Arab Palestinians have no rights to commit violence against Israelis or Jews.

Here's how its actually going to play out:

Israel is going to continue to assert authority and military and civil control over largely unoccupied parts of Area C, gradually increasing her area of influence. (Perfectly legal, btw). Israel is going to build, through this, a defensible border with its violent and unruly neighbor. Just like Gaza, the "West Bank" will be contained and controlled. There won't be any importing of weapons, except for some minor shit disturbing crap.

(And Israel is entirely correct in defending herself from people like you who call for her destruction.)

Israel is going to continue to foster good relationships with Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and any other Middle East Arab/Muslim country that wants to come out on the winner's side of the upcoming moderate/extremist war in the Arab Muslim world.

The Arab Palestinian government will have to decide which side of that war they want to be on. If they side with the extremists -- they will be crushed by Israel and Jordan. If they side with the moderates they will probably come out more-or-less unscathed as Jordan and Israel will subdue any extremists in their midst. At the end of it, though, they might very likely be absorbed by Jordan. (Which will be fine for all involved).

They absolutely have a right to a State.

Indeed, and they declared independence in 1948.

So the earliest unrecognized failed attempt occured in 1948, and they've been failing since. Must be crushing to face all the failures of the Palestinians, while Israel keeps winning and winning.

 

[teddyearp]

Indeed, and they declared independence in 1948.

And . . . ? Too bad they didn't get their collective shit together to make it stick.

Like Israel did.

In 1948.

Wake up tinmore. Or continue in your delusional mind set.

Or not. Which we all know that is where you are.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Indeed, and they declared independence in 1948.

And . . . ? Too bad they didn't get their collective shit together to make it stick.

Like Israel did.

In 1948.

Wake up tinmore. Or continue in your delusional mind set.

Or not. Which we all know that is where you are.

Palestine declared independence inside its own defined territory.

Where is Israel's defined territory? Post a 1948 map of Israel.

 

[teddyearp]

Keep it up tinmore. Because you're good for some laughs I reckon.

I do not need to post a 1948 map of Israel.

Because Israel has a defined territory recognized by treaties with Egypt and Jordan, and in some ways Syria and Lebanon.

So again, please show the board where this nation of Palestine exists. Where it ever existed. With its own government. With its declared leaders. With recognition with a real seat as an independent nation at the UN. With its own currency, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.

You can not.

However this post of mine does not in any way attempt to deny that they actually could achieve this status.

It is you with your delusions and your twisting of the truth into your tiny little pretzel who is.

Get it yet?

No. You never will. We get that.

 

[Shusha]

Indeed, and they declared independence in 1948.

And that government NEVER had control or sovereignty over any territory. It had no effective presence. It did not fulfill the criteria necessary for Statehood. It was never recognized (not necessary -- but a clear indication of success). It was dissolved in 1959.

 

[Shusha]

Palestine declared independence inside its own defined territory.

Where is Israel's defined territory? Post a 1948 map of Israel.

Israel declared independence inside it own defined territory, according to the treaties of the time.

 

[Roudy]

Ever noticed, regardless of the party or politics or president, there's always unanimous overwhelming support for Israel both in the govt. as well as the American public, and ever since Trump became president, it has never been better!

WINNING!

U.S. $38B military aid package to Israel sends a message

http://m.jpost.com/American-Politic...issile-defense-aid-using-wartime-funds-514513
2018 National Defense Authorization Act to include $705 million for US-Israel missile defense cooperation.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Keep it up tinmore. Because you're good for some laughs I reckon.

I do not need to post a 1948 map of Israel.

Because Israel has a defined territory recognized by treaties with Egypt and Jordan, and in some ways Syria and Lebanon.

So again, please show the board where this nation of Palestine exists. Where it ever existed. With its own government. With its declared leaders. With recognition with a real seat as an independent nation at the UN. With its own currency, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.

You can not.

However this post of mine does not in any way attempt to deny that they actually could achieve this status.

It is you with your delusions and your twisting of the truth into your tiny little pretzel who is.

Get it yet?

No. You never will. We get that.

I do not need to post a 1948 map of Israel.

That's OK, you are not alone. That request gets ducked 100% of the time by everybody.

Then everyone starts dancing.

 

[Roudy]

Today's forecast for Israel....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Indeed, and they declared independence in 1948.

And . . . ? Too bad they didn't get their collective shit together to make it stick.

Like Israel did.

In 1948.

Wake up tinmore. Or continue in your delusional mind set.

Or not. Which we all know that is where you are.

Palestine declared independence inside its own defined territory.

Where is Israel's defined territory? Post a 1948 map of Israel.

Palestine declared independence inside its own defined territory.

They didn't have any.