The demise of Isreal is imminent!

[ForeverYoung436]

Has it ever occurred for you to wonder WHY you must divorce the Jewish people from their history, their language and their religion? Its because if you DIDN'T, you would have to acknowledge that the Jewish people are simply coming home. And that is just awkward for you.

No, what is awkward for me is that I live in the 21st Century, we have space shuttles and computers and medicines and stuff, and we still have people claiming they have the right to act like Jerks because a Magic Fairy in the Sky said so.

Israel isn't only about Gd. It's about history, heritage and ancestry. It's about Jews having a place for a refuge and haven. Many Jews went to live in Israel after WW2 when they were forced out of Europe, like my grandparents.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Has it ever occurred for you to wonder WHY you must divorce the Jewish people from their history, their language and their religion? Its because if you DIDN'T, you would have to acknowledge that the Jewish people are simply coming home. And that is just awkward for you.

No, what is awkward for me is that I live in the 21st Century, we have space shuttles and computers and medicines and stuff, and we still have people claiming they have the right to act like Jerks because a Magic Fairy in the Sky said so.

Then send a note to the jerks in Christianity and Islam who continue to believe that their magic fairies in the sky told them this and that for the past 1700 years.

Those jerks are the problem as they continue to want other people's land and keep them oppressed.

 

[JoeB131]

Look int Christianity and Islam and what they have been capable of for the past 1700 years, and how many people they murdered on their way to "conquering the world" in the name of Christ or Allah.

Oh, I agree. All religion is kind of messed up.

But holding on to a strip of desert and threatening the whole world with nukes if you don't get your way.... that's a special kind of religious crazy.

It was not Palestinian Land.

And if it belonged to any "Palestinians", then it belonged to those the Romans renamed Judea after. The Jewish People, who still lived on the land.

Except by 1900, there were very few Jews left. An Ottoman Census only counted 44,000 Jews in Palestine in 1890. (compared to half a million Muslims and 80K Christians.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Look int Christianity and Islam and what they have been capable of for the past 1700 years, and how many people they murdered on their way to "conquering the world" in the name of Christ or Allah.

Oh, I agree. All religion is kind of messed up.

But holding on to a strip of desert and threatening the whole world with nukes if you don't get your way.... that's a special kind of religious crazy.

It was not Palestinian Land.

And if it belonged to any "Palestinians", then it belonged to those the Romans renamed Judea after. The Jewish People, who still lived on the land.

Except by 1900, there were very few Jews left. An Ottoman Census only counted 44,000 Jews in Palestine in 1890. (compared to half a million Muslims and 80K Christians.

Some humans are messed up. Religion or no religion.

And there is no "threat" of nuking the "world" if Israel does not get its way.
Israel has it to keep others from attacking it.
The same with the USA, India and many other countries.

It does not depend on how many Jews were living on their ancient homeland.

It has been their ancient homeland for over 3000 years.

The same way one cannot count the Maoris, Aborigines, Hawaiians, Mayans, Aztecs, etc.
It is not how many there are, but that the lands they lived on, or continue to live on has been theirs for thousands of years, no matter if there were invaders who conquered those lands.

Any other conspiracy theories you may need clarification on?

 

[Shusha]

Oh, I freely admit that the Jewish people are the Jewish people. they aren't the JUDEAN people. Those people went the way of the Edomites and Aramians and Moabites and Ammonites. History is full of nations that disappeared.

And see? There you go again. Your need to have special rules for the Jewish people is so irrational that you have to claim that the Jewish people don't exist. When they clearly do. Its so irrational, so ridiculous .... it boggles the mind.

 

[PredFan]

Is Israel gone yet?

Must be some new meaning if the word “imminent” that I hadn’t been previously aware of.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

mmigration by the Jewish people, who are willing to assist with the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people - and the development of self-governing institutions - as implied by the the Declaration originally made on 2 November 1917, by the British Government, and approved by the Principle Allied Powers in the 1920 San Remo Convention.

Okay, buddy, got to stop you right there.

The British Government had no business giving away the Palestinian's land.

YOu see, the thing was, the originally started this bullshit during WWI to try to get Russian Jews to keep Russia in the war. The Russians had enough of that shit and got out of it.

And between 1919 and 1945, very few Jews were rushing over there. Not until after WWII, did you get a big flood of them.

The British Government had no business

They did, actually.

giving away the Palestinian's land.

It was the Turk's land. And now it's the Israeli's land.

 

[Kondor3]

Arab Palestine and Jewish Palestine were defined as ideals long ago...

The Palis own propaganda maps show how delightfully close the Israelis are to fulfilling that vision...

 

[Roudy]

mmigration by the Jewish people, who are willing to assist with the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people - and the development of self-governing institutions - as implied by the the Declaration originally made on 2 November 1917, by the British Government, and approved by the Principle Allied Powers in the 1920 San Remo Convention.

Okay, buddy, got to stop you right there.

The British Government had no business giving away the Palestinian's land.

YOu see, the thing was, the originally started this bullshit during WWI to try to get Russian Jews to keep Russia in the war. The Russians had enough of that shit and got out of it.

And between 1919 and 1945, very few Jews were rushing over there. Not until after WWII, did you get a big flood of them.

So Joehammad, does this diversion into your bullshit version of history mean that you agree with the premise of this thread title, aka ISRAEL = WINNING!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yes, in the 17th century, that sort of thing was considered "acceptable".

It isn't in the 20th century, that's the point. Kind of like how slavery was kind of okay back then and today it isn't.

Of course, these things were never, "Okay", it's just today we realize they are bad things.

The invasion of one State by another sovereign State has never been considered "acceptable". That is not what we are discussing here.

Here, we are discussing the return of a people to their homeland. As in migration. You may notice that migration is considered quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

Self-determination is also quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

You see, the thing with that is, those EUROPEAN Jews shared nothing with the people who lived there 2000 years ago but a bastardized, watered down version of their goofy, backward ass religion. and they don't even do that right, since they aren't stoning girls for not being virgins anymore.

But even if you take that position, the reality is, the Judeans were only ONE TRIBE over there. By the time the Romans finally got fed up with their shit, they weren't even speaking Hebrew anymore, they were speaking Aramaic. And when they got dispersed, they dropped Aramaic and started speaking Yiddish and a bunch of other local languages of their fellow Europeans.

See. And there you go. You are so invested in making up special rules for the Jewish people that you have to DIVORCE them from their history and their language and even their religion. That's the extent to which antisemites go to pretend that the Jewish people are not really the Jewish people. Its an absolutely ridiculous argument. And you do not apply the same criteria to other people.

The invasion of one State by another sovereign State has never been considered "acceptable". That is not what we are discussing here.

I hope not. Palestine never invaded another country.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Arab Palestine and Jewish Palestine were defined as ideals long ago...

The Palis own propaganda maps show how delightfully close the Israelis are to fulfilling that vision...

Eli E. Hertz, 2005.

 

[admonit]

Yes, in the 17th century, that sort of thing was considered "acceptable".

It isn't in the 20th century, that's the point. Kind of like how slavery was kind of okay back then and today it isn't.

Of course, these things were never, "Okay", it's just today we realize they are bad things.

The invasion of one State by another sovereign State has never been considered "acceptable". That is not what we are discussing here.

Here, we are discussing the return of a people to their homeland. As in migration. You may notice that migration is considered quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

Self-determination is also quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

You see, the thing with that is, those EUROPEAN Jews shared nothing with the people who lived there 2000 years ago but a bastardized, watered down version of their goofy, backward ass religion. and they don't even do that right, since they aren't stoning girls for not being virgins anymore.

But even if you take that position, the reality is, the Judeans were only ONE TRIBE over there. By the time the Romans finally got fed up with their shit, they weren't even speaking Hebrew anymore, they were speaking Aramaic. And when they got dispersed, they dropped Aramaic and started speaking Yiddish and a bunch of other local languages of their fellow Europeans.

See. And there you go. You are so invested in making up special rules for the Jewish people that you have to DIVORCE them from their history and their language and even their religion. That's the extent to which antisemites go to pretend that the Jewish people are not really the Jewish people. Its an absolutely ridiculous argument. And you do not apply the same criteria to other people.

The invasion of one State by another sovereign State has never been considered "acceptable". That is not what we are discussing here.

I hope not. Palestine never invaded another country.

A non-existent state cannot invade any country.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yes, in the 17th century, that sort of thing was considered "acceptable".

It isn't in the 20th century, that's the point. Kind of like how slavery was kind of okay back then and today it isn't.

Of course, these things were never, "Okay", it's just today we realize they are bad things.

The invasion of one State by another sovereign State has never been considered "acceptable". That is not what we are discussing here.

Here, we are discussing the return of a people to their homeland. As in migration. You may notice that migration is considered quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

Self-determination is also quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

You see, the thing with that is, those EUROPEAN Jews shared nothing with the people who lived there 2000 years ago but a bastardized, watered down version of their goofy, backward ass religion. and they don't even do that right, since they aren't stoning girls for not being virgins anymore.

But even if you take that position, the reality is, the Judeans were only ONE TRIBE over there. By the time the Romans finally got fed up with their shit, they weren't even speaking Hebrew anymore, they were speaking Aramaic. And when they got dispersed, they dropped Aramaic and started speaking Yiddish and a bunch of other local languages of their fellow Europeans.

See. And there you go. You are so invested in making up special rules for the Jewish people that you have to DIVORCE them from their history and their language and even their religion. That's the extent to which antisemites go to pretend that the Jewish people are not really the Jewish people. Its an absolutely ridiculous argument. And you do not apply the same criteria to other people.

The invasion of one State by another sovereign State has never been considered "acceptable". That is not what we are discussing here.

I hope not. Palestine never invaded another country.

A non-existent state cannot invade any country.

Do you have proof of that?

Of course not.

 

[admonit]

Yes, in the 17th century, that sort of thing was considered "acceptable".

It isn't in the 20th century, that's the point. Kind of like how slavery was kind of okay back then and today it isn't.

Of course, these things were never, "Okay", it's just today we realize they are bad things.

The invasion of one State by another sovereign State has never been considered "acceptable". That is not what we are discussing here.

Here, we are discussing the return of a people to their homeland. As in migration. You may notice that migration is considered quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

Self-determination is also quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

You see, the thing with that is, those EUROPEAN Jews shared nothing with the people who lived there 2000 years ago but a bastardized, watered down version of their goofy, backward ass religion. and they don't even do that right, since they aren't stoning girls for not being virgins anymore.

But even if you take that position, the reality is, the Judeans were only ONE TRIBE over there. By the time the Romans finally got fed up with their shit, they weren't even speaking Hebrew anymore, they were speaking Aramaic. And when they got dispersed, they dropped Aramaic and started speaking Yiddish and a bunch of other local languages of their fellow Europeans.

See. And there you go. You are so invested in making up special rules for the Jewish people that you have to DIVORCE them from their history and their language and even their religion. That's the extent to which antisemites go to pretend that the Jewish people are not really the Jewish people. Its an absolutely ridiculous argument. And you do not apply the same criteria to other people.

The invasion of one State by another sovereign State has never been considered "acceptable". That is not what we are discussing here.

I hope not. Palestine never invaded another country.

A non-existent state cannot invade any country.

Do you have proof of that?

Of course not.

Proof of nonexistence? You are joking.

 

[JoeB131]

And there is no "threat" of nuking the "world" if Israel does not get its way.
Israel has it to keep others from attacking it.
The same with the USA, India and many other countries.

Those other countries don't involve keeping a boot on the neck of half their population and threatening all their neighbors with nukes if they want to do something about it.

It does not depend on how many Jews were living on their ancient homeland.

Yeah, it kind of does... Kind of like I can't take a seat on the bus by shoving an old lady out of it because I sat in that seat last year.

 

[JoeB131]

And see? There you go again. Your need to have special rules for the Jewish people is so irrational that you have to claim that the Jewish people don't exist. When they clearly do. Its so irrational, so ridiculous .... it boggles the mind.

a bunch of Europeans with a goofy religion aren't "a people'.

It's as silly as the Scientologists claiming the land where Space Lord Zenu landed.

 

[Kondor3]

And there is no "threat" of nuking the "world" if Israel does not get its way.
Israel has it to keep others from attacking it.
The same with the USA, India and many other countries.

Those other countries don't involve keeping a boot on the neck of half their population and threatening all their neighbors with nukes if they want to do something about it.

It does not depend on how many Jews were living on their ancient homeland.

Yeah, it kind of does... Kind of like I can't take a seat on the bus by shoving an old lady out of it because I sat in that seat last year.

Unless you've got the largest and most efficient armed forces in the region and are close allies with the strongest military power on the planet.

To the Devil with the Neanderthals in Gaza and the West Bank... let 'em pack up and move to Jordan where they now belong.

 

[JoeB131]

Unless you've got the largest and most efficient armed forces in the region and are close allies with the strongest military power on the planet.

To the Devil with the Neanderthals in Gaza and the West Bank... let 'em pack up and move to Jordan where they now belong.

How about, to heck with the Zionists, let them move back to Europe wher they belong.

fixed it for you.

But you do bring up an interesting point. If the US didn't back the Zionist entity, and subsidize it with billions a year, would it continue to exist?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yes, in the 17th century, that sort of thing was considered "acceptable".

It isn't in the 20th century, that's the point. Kind of like how slavery was kind of okay back then and today it isn't.

Of course, these things were never, "Okay", it's just today we realize they are bad things.

The invasion of one State by another sovereign State has never been considered "acceptable". That is not what we are discussing here.

Here, we are discussing the return of a people to their homeland. As in migration. You may notice that migration is considered quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

Self-determination is also quite acceptable in the world. (Except when Jews do it).

You see, the thing with that is, those EUROPEAN Jews shared nothing with the people who lived there 2000 years ago but a bastardized, watered down version of their goofy, backward ass religion. and they don't even do that right, since they aren't stoning girls for not being virgins anymore.

But even if you take that position, the reality is, the Judeans were only ONE TRIBE over there. By the time the Romans finally got fed up with their shit, they weren't even speaking Hebrew anymore, they were speaking Aramaic. And when they got dispersed, they dropped Aramaic and started speaking Yiddish and a bunch of other local languages of their fellow Europeans.

See. And there you go. You are so invested in making up special rules for the Jewish people that you have to DIVORCE them from their history and their language and even their religion. That's the extent to which antisemites go to pretend that the Jewish people are not really the Jewish people. Its an absolutely ridiculous argument. And you do not apply the same criteria to other people.

The invasion of one State by another sovereign State has never been considered "acceptable". That is not what we are discussing here.

I hope not. Palestine never invaded another country.

A non-existent state cannot invade any country.

Do you have proof of that?

Of course not.

Proof of nonexistence? You are joking.

Funny that Israel has been fighting a non existent country for a hundred years and has no won yet.

 

[Kondor3]

Unless you've got the largest and most efficient armed forces in the region and are close allies with the strongest military power on the planet.

To the Devil with the Neanderthals in Gaza and the West Bank... let 'em pack up and move to Jordan where they now belong.

How about, to heck with the Zionists, let them move back to Europe wher they belong.

fixed it for you.

But you do bring up an interesting point. If the US didn't back the Zionist entity, and subsidize it with billions a year, would it continue to exist?

The Jews of the 1940s carved-out a homeland of their own without any substantive help from the United States.

The Jews of Israel held onto a homeland of their own for the first 25 years of its existence without any substantive help from the United States.

The United States only began helping Israel substantively by making good on their military inventory losses in the wake of the 1973 war.

The Israelis are perfectly capable of holding onto what is now theirs, without substantive help from the United States.

It's merely much easier to do so with the backing of an excellent friend such as the United States.

Why?

Holocaust.

The Jews are determined never to allow Gentiles to slaughter them again.

To do that, they need a patch of earth of their own.

They chose Israel-Judea-Palestine, naturally.

Hell, the camel jockeys weren't doing anything worthwhile with the damned thing anyway.

As to the rest...

Vae victus.