The demise of Isreal is imminent!

[P F Tinmore]

Israel's response to BDS betrays its weakness | Susan Abulhawa at "Free (Speech) Palestine), 9/18/17

 

[Sixties Fan]

Israel's response to BDS betrays its weakness | Susan Abulhawa at "Free (Speech) Palestine), 9/18/17

She is into "narratives", as are many Palestinian Arabs and you.

Israel is about history and everything that can be proven on that land which backs up the Hebrew/Israelite/Judean History.


You keep your narratives, we will keep our history.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel's response to BDS betrays its weakness | Susan Abulhawa at "Free (Speech) Palestine), 9/18/17

She is into "narratives", as are many Palestinian Arabs and you.

Israel is about history and everything that can be proven on that land which backs up the Hebrew/Israelite/Judean History.


You keep your narratives, we will keep our history.

Israel's narrative was the only one for 50 years. That is why there is so much support for Israel. People did not know any better.

As the narrative changes, opinions change, support changes. That is why Israel is trying to shut down any opposing views.

 

[Shusha]

As the narrative changes, opinions change, support changes. That is why Israel is trying to shut down any opposing views.

That's why the Arab Palestinians create false narratives.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The demise of Isreal is imminent!
※→ Shusha, P F Tinmore, et al,

As those that claim to be Palestinians, decedents of the forlorn, the mantra that they follow has been and continues to be the unveiling of its identity, the explanation of its goals and objectives, and the belief in the hope that the Hostile Arab Palestinian struggle against the Jews grows ever increasingly lethal.

Aristotle (≈ 2300 years ago), when teaching the various ways to be persuasive before an audience and to be successful in attracting followers, coined the terms: Logos Ethos, and Pathos.

Ethos (the manipulation of the Cultural Beliefs, Customs, Morals and Habits), Pathos (the exploitation of the mental frames of the people and the emotional triggers they have in common), and Logos (ethical strategies and appeals) are the tripartite modes of persuasion used by Aristotle to captivate listeners.

The tripartite approach by Aristotle worked on his Acolytes because they were the cream of the Greek Society; able to grasp the principles in the epistemology of scientific and that of metaphysics. Both Socrates and Hypatia of Alexandria fell prey to trail and execution because of the influence they generated using such techniques that threatened the Ruling Elite who were incapable of grasping the concepts.

As the narrative changes, opinions change, support changes. That is why Israel is trying to shut down any opposing views.

That's why the Arab Palestinians create false narratives.

(COMMENT)

Just as people like "Socrates, Hypathia, and Galileo" ran afoul with the unenlightened Ruling Elite, so it is that the Arab Palestinians, generation after generation, contaminate the intellectual capacity of the Palestinian People.

The Hostile Arab Palestinians do not actually know where they want to push their destiny once they eliminate the Jews and control the territory from the (Jordan) River to the (Mediterranean) Sea. This is not at all unusual with rudderless political change. We can see it in the development of DAESH, and the friction between the Hezbollah in the al-Bekka Valley and the remainder of Lebanon. You saw it in the outcome of the Arab Spring in Egypt (which has had more leaders in the last seven years then it had in the previous half-century before the Arab Spring).

Not that there is much of a possibility that the Arab Palestinians will ever gain control of their goal territory (since they have not yet managed to form a stable government in the last half-century), the real danger is that the inept leadership squabbling will even create more of a hardship on the Arab Palestinians than they already experience.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The demise of Isreal is imminent!
※→ Shusha, P F Tinmore, et al,

As those that claim to be Palestinians, decedents of the forlorn, the mantra that they follow has been and continues to be the unveiling of its identity, the explanation of its goals and objectives, and the belief in the hope that the Hostile Arab Palestinian struggle against the Jews grows ever increasingly lethal.

Aristotle (≈ 2300 years ago), when teaching the various ways to be persuasive before an audience and to be successful in attracting followers, coined the terms: Logos Ethos, and Pathos.

Ethos (the manipulation of the Cultural Beliefs, Customs, Morals and Habits), Pathos (the exploitation of the mental frames of the people and the emotional triggers they have in common), and Logos (ethical strategies and appeals) are the tripartite modes of persuasion used by Aristotle to captivate listeners.

The tripartite approach by Aristotle worked on his Acolytes because they were the cream of the Greek Society; able to grasp the principles in the epistemology of scientific and that of metaphysics. Both Socrates and Hypatia of Alexandria fell prey to trail and execution because of the influence they generated using such techniques that threatened the Ruling Elite who were incapable of grasping the concepts.

As the narrative changes, opinions change, support changes. That is why Israel is trying to shut down any opposing views.

That's why the Arab Palestinians create false narratives.

(COMMENT)

Just as people like "Socrates, Hypathia, and Galileo" ran afoul with the unenlightened Ruling Elite, so it is that the Arab Palestinians, generation after generation, contaminate the intellectual capacity of the Palestinian People.

The Hostile Arab Palestinians do not actually know where they want to push their destiny once they eliminate the Jews and control the territory from the (Jordan) River to the (Mediterranean) Sea. This is not at all unusual with rudderless political change. We can see it in the development of DAESH, and the friction between the Hezbollah in the al-Bekka Valley and the remainder of Lebanon. You saw it in the outcome of the Arab Spring in Egypt (which has had more leaders in the last seven years then it had in the previous half-century before the Arab Spring).

Not that there is much of a possibility that the Arab Palestinians will ever gain control of their goal territory (since they have not yet managed to form a stable government in the last half-century), the real danger is that the inept leadership squabbling will even create more of a hardship on the Arab Palestinians than they already experience.

Most Respectfully,
R
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That is why the Palestinians are blowing by their so called leadership that has been holding them back.

 

[Roudy]

And last I checked BDS was outlawed in most US campuses and govt / public offices.

More winning!

 

[Humanity]

which is why it's going to move its Embassy to Jerusalem

Announced immediately after Trump threatened every country who did not support him that he would remove financial support. I call that bribery and corruption.

Israel is the only country in the world that's not allowed to determine its own capital

Israel CAN determine its own capital. The issue with declaring disputed and illegally held territory is that, well, 1) It's disputed 2) its illegal

and it will never be a "corpus separatum" (which is what you want personally).

Yes, that is correct. corpus separatum is the ONLY solution that can work.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And last I checked BDS was outlawed in most US campuses and govt / public offices.

More winning!

They can't make BDS illegal. There have been some back door laws passed but BDS cannot challenge them in court because the laws do not affect them so they have no standing. We will see if they survive the courts. Two or three of them have already bitten the dust in Europe and there is one case in the US brought by the ACLU.

 

[fncceo]

I call that bribery and corruption.

I call it diplomacy.

 

[Humanity]

I call that bribery and corruption.

I call it diplomacy.

You would!

 

[fncceo]

I call that bribery and corruption.

I call it diplomacy.

You would!

Using non-violent coercion to achieve policy objectives is the essence of diplomacy.

 

[Humanity]

Additionally, the Czech Republic, Ghana, Guatemala have followed Trump's lead and recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

Perhaps the Arab definition of winning is going backwards?

"The demise of Israel is imminent!"

Ah yes three powerhouses in world politics

Does it matter? Very soon there will be more nations that like the US will agree that a country has the right to determine where its capital should be.

Does it matter? Really roodboy?

Guatemala jumped straight on the bandwagon as soon as Trumps strong arm tactics were seen for what he really is, nothing more than a corrupt bully.

It needs some rather more powerful countries to join the idiot you call your leader to make any validity to his 'declaration'.

You know, countries that can't be bullied or bought!

The most powerful country in the world, the US of A and it's people, and it's politicians overwhelmingly support of Israel. In my book, that's what counts! And things just got much better for Israel.

Maybe if you wait another 100 years your luck will change?

Winning!

"The most powerful country in the world"?

Once upon a time maybe... Today, the US of A, thanks to the idiot in the White House, is a laughingstock in the world!

But yes, let Trump carry on with his isolationist ideas... Much better for everyone!

 

[Humanity]

I call that bribery and corruption.

I call it diplomacy.

You would!

Using non-violent coercion to achieve policy objectives is the essence of diplomacy.

Yep, totally agree...

However, blatant bullying and threats is NOT diplomacy. Perhaps in Trumps little world but not in the REAL world!

 

[JoeB131]

You are funny, and very very deluded. Because that it NEVER going to happen pal.

Actually, it's inevitable. The one thing the Middle East is good at is getting rid of invaders... Just ask the Crusaders.

The problem with people like you is that you want different rules for the Jewish people. And you make stupid excuses for why the Jewish people should be treated differently -- pretending it has everything to do with the circumstances when it really has only to do with being Jewish.

Well, that and that sort of thing isn't aceptable anymore.

200 years ago, it was acceptable to invade someone's land, genocide the shit out of them and their culture, and rename all the places. Today it just plain isn't.

No other people today would try to pull the shit the Zionists are pulling. Not without facing massive international sanctions.

And somehow I don't think you would encourage the Jewish people to start blowing up random Arabs in order to make them "go home".

The Arabs are home. The Jews are the invaders. They are already blowing up random Palestinians... they just use expensive planes to do it.

And, you DO know you are justifying horrific violence against innocents, don't you? You are excusing it. You are suggesting that if people are being violent toward you -- you should leave. As though violence is an acceptable method of getting what you want.

Oh, I'd be all for a VOTE on the issue. One person, one vote.

The problem is, since there are more Palestinians than Israelis, the Zionists Entity would be voted out of existence if that ever happened.

The Palestinians are resorting to violence because that's the only avenue the Zionists have left open to them.

 

[JoeB131]

She is into "narratives", as are many Palestinian Arabs and you.

Israel is about history and everything that can be proven on that land which backs up the Hebrew/Israelite/Judean History.

when your "history" involves talking donkeys and giants, it's hard to take you seriously.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Demise of Israel is Imminent!
※→ Humanity, ForeverYoung436, et al,

In order for the concept of "corpus separatum" to actually work, each of the parties to the agreement must maintain the trust and confidence in the other parties involved. The arrangement must be in balance and with each party making a contribution to the political relationship at every social level.

and it will never be a "corpus separatum" (which is what you want personally).

Yes, that is correct. corpus separatum is the ONLY solution that can work.

(COMMENT)

Most positive political relationships start-out in good faith and harmony. But that is not presently the measure that Israel maintains with the adjacent Arab Muslim border neighbor states. Yes, there is a certain set of assurances that one party gives to the other. And there is a responsibility assumed when one enters into a true friendship with an Arab Counterpart; one of which is the understanding that one will mutually assist the other when in distress. This is just as important in the individual and personal friendships and it is in friendship dependent accords at the government-to-government level or the larger international level. While Israel is trying to establish such a rapport with its Arab League neighbors.

While there has been some limited success in the establishment of trust between Israel and its Arab Neighbors, it is nowhere near the tensile strength required to sustain the trials of such embryonic relationships. There are bound to arise situations that in the beginning of an interactive association that would be necessary to support and maintain a "corpus separatum" conditional relationship. The mutual relationship has to be strong enough to endure the inevitable mistakes, blunders, and political miscalculations the will arise unforeseen.

The concept of "corpus separatum" can be achieved, → it is not impossible; but not realistically in this time-frame and political climate.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[ForeverYoung436]

which is why it's going to move its Embassy to Jerusalem

Announced immediately after Trump threatened every country who did not support him that he would remove financial support. I call that bribery and corruption.

Israel is the only country in the world that's not allowed to determine its own capital

Israel CAN determine its own capital. The issue with declaring disputed and illegally held territory is that, well, 1) It's disputed 2) its illegal

and it will never be a "corpus separatum" (which is what you want personally).

Yes, that is correct. corpus separatum is the ONLY solution that can work.

Trump announced that America would recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move its Embassy there. The U.S. is a sovereign nation and has every right to do that. Trump did NOT announce that every nation in the world must now move their embassies to Jerusalem, or else he would cut off aid to those countries, which is what you make it sound like he's doing. He said that any nation opposing America's sovereign right to move its OWN embassy there, would have their aid from the U.S. reevaluated. No other nation has a right to tell America where it can keep its embassies. And besides that, America has no obligation to provide massive amounts of aid to every country in the world. Other nations that decided to follow America's lead and move their embassies to Jerusalem are doing so, not out of fear of America--otherwise they would avoid criticizing the U.S. but still keep their embassies in Tel-Aviv. They are doing so because it's the right thing to do.

 

[Shusha]

You are funny, and very very deluded. Because that it NEVER going to happen pal.

Actually, it's inevitable. The one thing the Middle East is good at is getting rid of invaders... Just ask the Crusaders.

The problem with people like you is that you want different rules for the Jewish people. And you make stupid excuses for why the Jewish people should be treated differently -- pretending it has everything to do with the circumstances when it really has only to do with being Jewish.

Well, that and that sort of thing isn't aceptable anymore.

200 years ago, it was acceptable to invade someone's land, genocide the shit out of them and their culture, and rename all the places. Today it just plain isn't.

No other people today would try to pull the shit the Zionists are pulling. Not without facing massive international sanctions.

And somehow I don't think you would encourage the Jewish people to start blowing up random Arabs in order to make them "go home".

The Arabs are home. The Jews are the invaders. They are already blowing up random Palestinians... they just use expensive planes to do it.

And, you DO know you are justifying horrific violence against innocents, don't you? You are excusing it. You are suggesting that if people are being violent toward you -- you should leave. As though violence is an acceptable method of getting what you want.

Oh, I'd be all for a VOTE on the issue. One person, one vote.

The problem is, since there are more Palestinians than Israelis, the Zionists Entity would be voted out of existence if that ever happened.

The Palestinians are resorting to violence because that's the only avenue the Zionists have left open to them.

In your response you did exactly what I said you would. You made excuses pretending it had to do with circumstances -- but it is really a separate set of rules for the Jewish people.

 

[Roudy]

Additionally, the Czech Republic, Ghana, Guatemala have followed Trump's lead and recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

Perhaps the Arab definition of winning is going backwards?

"The demise of Israel is imminent!"

Ah yes three powerhouses in world politics

Does it matter? Very soon there will be more nations that like the US will agree that a country has the right to determine where its capital should be.

Does it matter? Really roodboy?

Guatemala jumped straight on the bandwagon as soon as Trumps strong arm tactics were seen for what he really is, nothing more than a corrupt bully.

It needs some rather more powerful countries to join the idiot you call your leader to make any validity to his 'declaration'.

You know, countries that can't be bullied or bought!

The most powerful country in the world, the US of A and it's people, and it's politicians overwhelmingly support of Israel. In my book, that's what counts! And things just got much better for Israel.

Maybe if you wait another 100 years your luck will change?

Winning!

"The most powerful country in the world"?

Once upon a time maybe... Today, the US of A, thanks to the idiot in the White House, is a laughingstock in the world!

But yes, let Trump carry on with his isolationist ideas... Much better for everyone!

The US is still the most powerful democracy both economically and militarily by a long shot. It doesn't suprise me that a Pallywood propagandist would mock the US and its democractically elected leader.

Winning!