The Death Penalty---OP/ED

[JoeB131]

Someone like you that would say another person shouldn't own something is expected to be man enough to stop that person from using it. Seems you aren't a man but a government puppet.

Like I said Joe, if I thought there was something you had you didn't need, I'd take it and there isn't a damn thing you're man enough to do about stopping me.

Guy, when I find a rabid skunk under my house, I don't take him out myself, I call an exterminator.

When I find we have rabid gun owners insisting on the right of crazy people to own machine guns, I call the ATF to deal with that.

 

[JoeB131]

Wasn't this thread about the death penalty

 

[Skull Pilot]

So what if he was a homosexual? And the fucking FBI couldn't pin anything on him could they?

No, they couldn't.

Maybe we need a better standard on selling these weapons than "The FBI couldn't pin nothin' on him!"

Joe is proud to be a government puppet.

I wasn't even involved in that conversation, but what I DO want is the government to protect me from people like Omar Mateen. They aren't doing that.

If the fucking FBI can't find anything on a person what makes you think anyone else can?

and of you're going to quote me then quote me correctly

 

[Skull Pilot]

Wasn't this thread about the death penalty

It was but you derailed it

 

[JoeB131]

If the fucking FBI can't find anything on a person what makes you think anyone else can?

and of you're going to quote me then quote me correctly

I think I pointed out the absurdity of your post pretty well.

Let's see now. The Press had NO PROBLEM finding stuff on this guy. They found his co-workers. They found his ex-wife. They found the gay dude he used to date. They found he's been spewing this sort of stuff since the fifth grade.

Now, when you declare gun ownership as a right, none of this stuff by itself should disqualify you.

Which is why gun ownership as a right is stupid.

 

[Conservative65]

Someone like you that would say another person shouldn't own something is expected to be man enough to stop that person from using it. Seems you aren't a man but a government puppet.

Like I said Joe, if I thought there was something you had you didn't need, I'd take it and there isn't a damn thing you're man enough to do about stopping me.

Guy, when I find a rabid skunk under my house, I don't take him out myself, I call an exterminator.

When I find we have rabid gun owners insisting on the right of crazy people to own machine guns, I call the ATF to deal with that.

In other words, you're not man enough to do a damn thing yourself.

 

[Conservative65]

I do know what she had to present and stated so. You're the one that said others things took place. I do know so why are you questioning me when I do what you say I should do?

If you're going to say there were other things beyond what I said, please prove it. I've done what you asked by telling you what happened. Your turn to back up your claim.

Do you really want to do this? Each state is different, but they all check.Which state?

So the each state is different excuse now. That's a cop out. You said it was done without making that reference, BOY. Leave before I embarrass you more.

No. Each state is different so I didn't want you to be able to nit pick some tiny difference between one state and another Name one state, and I can get specifics for that particular state. You are really trying to nit pick your way out of admitting you are wrong.

Sorry, boy, you made a general statement that background checks were done. Now you want to use the it's different excuse.

The best thing you can do is get back to picking cotton.

Typical RWNJ. You chose to be ignorant, and wouldn't accept a fact if it bit your ass,

You chose to make a claim then wanted to make excuses when it was proven your claim was false.

 

[Skull Pilot]

If the fucking FBI can't find anything on a person what makes you think anyone else can?

and of you're going to quote me then quote me correctly

I think I pointed out the absurdity of your post pretty well.

Let's see now. The Press had NO PROBLEM finding stuff on this guy. They found his co-workers. They found his ex-wife. They found the gay dude he used to date. They found he's been spewing this sort of stuff since the fifth grade.

Now, when you declare gun ownership as a right, none of this stuff by itself should disqualify you.

Which is why gun ownership as a right is stupid.

They didn't find anything illegal.
There was no legal reason to prevent him from purchasing a weapon

If there was he wouldn't have been able to buy one.

People are violent. I know you think you are all knowing and you can just tell who is going to commit murder in the future but you really can't.

And the fact remains that a minuscule fraction of a percentage of people who own guns will ever kill anyone

 

[JoeB131]

They didn't find anything illegal.
There was no legal reason to prevent him from purchasing a weapon

If there was he wouldn't have been able to buy one.

And that's the problem. He was able to buy a weapon despite being a crazy person with a love of Jihad and a self-loathing of his own homosexuaity.

People are violent. I know you think you are all knowing and you can just tell who is going to commit murder in the future but you really can't.

And the fact remains that a minuscule fraction of a percentage of people who own guns will ever kill anyone

I don't have to be "all-knowing". No one gets a gun, no one can commit mass murder.

Problem Fucking Solved.

 

[Skull Pilot]

They didn't find anything illegal.
There was no legal reason to prevent him from purchasing a weapon

If there was he wouldn't have been able to buy one.

And that's the problem. He was able to buy a weapon despite being a crazy person with a love of Jihad and a self-loathing of his own homosexuaity.

People are violent. I know you think you are all knowing and you can just tell who is going to commit murder in the future but you really can't.

And the fact remains that a minuscule fraction of a percentage of people who own guns will ever kill anyone

I don't have to be "all-knowing". No one gets a gun, no one can commit mass murder.

Problem Fucking Solved.

Too bad that pesky little amendment is getting in your way

BTW we have the bill of rights because of people like you

 

[JoeB131]

Too bad that pesky little amendment is getting in your way

BTW we have the bill of rights because of people like you

A bizarre interpretation of an amendment is getting in the way of protecting people from madmen.

Is this really what you are arguing for, guy? The right of madmen to murder people in the street?

I'm just curious what virtue you think is worth 33,000 deaths a year.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Too bad that pesky little amendment is getting in your way

BTW we have the bill of rights because of people like you

A bizarre interpretation of an amendment is getting in the way of protecting people from madmen.

Is this really what you are arguing for, guy? The right of madmen to murder people in the street?

I'm just curious what virtue you think is worth 33,000 deaths a year.

It's not bizarre at all. The framers expected citizens to take up arms and to be able to form militias of their own initiative.
The bill of rights protects the people from the government not the government from the people

And suicide is a choice. I know you hate the idea of people choosing their own fates because you have a pathological need to control others. I guess it makes you feel like more of a man

 

[JoeB131]

It's not bizarre at all. The framers expected citizens to take up arms and to be able to form militias of their own initiative.

The founders also shit in chamber pots, bleed themselves to treat diseases and owned slaves.

Maybe we need to stop basing our decisions on what seemed like a good idea 230 years ago and work on what might be a good idea now. I will even go so far as to say 230 years ago, being able to form a militia was a good idea. Today we have professional armies and police forces, so not so much.

The bill of rights protects the people from the government not the government from the people

How about protecting the people from the people? I don't worry about the government shooting up a school or a nightclub. I worry about a crazy person who was able to buy a gun despite everyone in his life knowing he was crazy being able to do it.

And suicide is a choice. I know you hate the idea of people choosing their own fates because you have a pathological need to control others. I guess it makes you feel like more of a man

No, you see, it's common sense. We don't let people drive at 100 MPH or do drugs or talk on the cell phone a lot of other things because it presents a danger to themselves or others.

It's the price I pay for having to live in a well-structured society. Now, if you want to live in Anarchy, I hear Somalia has a pretty liberal immigration policy.

 

[Skull Pilot]

It's not bizarre at all. The framers expected citizens to take up arms and to be able to form militias of their own initiative.

The founders also shit in chamber pots, bleed themselves to treat diseases and owned slaves.

Maybe we need to stop basing our decisions on what seemed like a good idea 230 years ago and work on what might be a good idea now. I will even go so far as to say 230 years ago, being able to form a militia was a good idea. Today we have professional armies and police forces, so not so much.

The bill of rights protects the people from the government not the government from the people

How about protecting the people from the people? I don't worry about the government shooting up a school or a nightclub. I worry about a crazy person who was able to buy a gun despite everyone in his life knowing he was crazy being able to do it.

And suicide is a choice. I know you hate the idea of people choosing their own fates because you have a pathological need to control others. I guess it makes you feel like more of a man

No, you see, it's common sense. We don't let people drive at 100 MPH or do drugs or talk on the cell phone a lot of other things because it presents a danger to themselves or others.

It's the price I pay for having to live in a well-structured society. Now, if you want to live in Anarchy, I hear Somalia has a pretty liberal immigration policy.

How about being able to protect yourself from other people? People are the most dangerous animal that ever walked the planet and only a fucking idiot thinks a law will stop violent people from being violent

And FYI people do drive at 100 MPH all the time. I've done it and I bet you have too. People drive and yak on the phone all the time. I bet you do too.
And supporting the Bill of Rights is not anarchy. The Bill of Rights is the rule of law.

 

[JoeB131]

How about being able to protect yourself from other people? People are the most dangerous animal that ever walked the planet and only a fucking idiot thinks a law will stop violent people from being violent

Um, actually, I do think that depriving dangerous people of weapons will keep them from being violent. - BECAUSE EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY HAS DONE THAT!!!!

Sweet Evil Jesus, man, how much of the world do you need to ignore to live in your fantasies.

And FYI people do drive at 100 MPH all the time. I've done it and I bet you have too. People drive and yak on the phone all the time. I bet you do too.
And supporting the Bill of Rights is not anarchy. The Bill of Rights is the rule of law.

As a wise man said, "The Constitution is not a suicide pact".

The point is not whether people will break laws, but if the laws are a good idea.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I don't think any other subject stirs up as much as the death penalty, short of abortion. The biggest problem is that while liberal democrats FIGHT any inclusion of morality in abortion they INSIST on its placement when talking about the death penalty. They CLAIM the right has a flawed idea of morals when it comes to the death penalty and that simply is NOT the case.

THE DEATH PENALTY IS INHUMANE
Killing an innocent in the womb that has committed no crime is inhumane. Killing a murderer a rapist or a child molester is justice. A given percentage of the populace is simply going to be criminals. There is no utopia no programs that is going to change that. And people simply need to be adult enough to accept that.

THE DEATH PENALTY SHOULD BE PAINLESS
Why? Granted I am not saying burn them at the stake but why should it HAVE to be painless? Down here in Arizona in the town I live in we had a meth head passing through town that beat a woman to death for her lap top and some change. Anybody care to guess how long it takes to get beat to death? Reports at the time said her beating MAY have taken 15 to 20 minutes. Why does his death HAVE to be painless? Why should he be allowed to just go to sleep?

THE DEAD BODY CAN TRAUMATIZE THE FAMILY
That's a good thing, its a wake up call your family has a failure in parenting OR where you live has a failure in community. Its the result of a socially unacceptable act. They USED to do it in public and people used to bring their children. It was a lesson is social morality. If you behave this way then that is the result.

THE DEATH PENALTY SHOULD NOT BE PUBLIC
Wrong again as there is every reason FOR it to be public. I am not talking required to watch but available. I would go so far as to leave it open to the press. I would allow it to be televised. The victims, their families and the general population have a RIGHT to see their justice system work.

Fury

Capital punishment is too good for those convicted of capital crimes and is way too expensive. Super max prison, 23 hours alone in a four by eight cell with a toilet and a shower and a cot, no human contact; two, half hour breaks to walk alone in a small exercise area fully enclosed so the sun and stars are never observed every day. No TV, radio, or newspaper, no pen an no paper, a man alone with his thoughts with only a rare visit from his/her lawyer and a medical professional when needed. One hot meal, two cold meals and no snacks, no possibility of parole for the rest of his/her natural life. Hell on earth.

 

[Skull Pilot]

How about being able to protect yourself from other people? People are the most dangerous animal that ever walked the planet and only a fucking idiot thinks a law will stop violent people from being violent

Um, actually, I do think that depriving dangerous people of weapons will keep them from being violent. - BECAUSE EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY HAS DONE THAT!!!!

Sweet Evil Jesus, man, how much of the world do you need to ignore to live in your fantasies.

And FYI people do drive at 100 MPH all the time. I've done it and I bet you have too. People drive and yak on the phone all the time. I bet you do too.
And supporting the Bill of Rights is not anarchy. The Bill of Rights is the rule of law.

As a wise man said, "The Constitution is not a suicide pact".

The point is not whether people will break laws, but if the laws are a good idea.

THEN GO LIVE IN ANOTHER FUCKING COUNTRY

 

[JoeB131]

THEN GO LIVE IN ANOTHER FUCKING COUNTRY

Naw, we are going to fix THIS one.

 

[Skull Pilot]

THEN GO LIVE IN ANOTHER FUCKING COUNTRY

Naw, we are going to fix THIS one.

You're not. The second amendment will be protected by citizens who value their freedom

 

[JoeB131]

You're not. The second amendment will be protected by citizens who value their freedom

Uh, actually, no.

Most Americans favor common sense gun laws. The NRA types are the crazy fringe.