The Death of a Presidency

[TemplarKormac]

Or not.

Actually, he kind of outsmarted Big Insurance. "OH, gosh, you can keep your policy if Big Insurance will give it to you!"

And the thing is, Big Insurance used ObamaCare as an excuse to dump all the people who were too old and too sick to make a profit off of.

So now, when the insurance companies don't renew those policies anyway, those folks will end up going to the exchanges and finding out, "Geez, I never realized how badly they were ripping me off!"

Big State won't let insurance companies reinstate policies. California and Washington came out with the hour and said the plans for 2014 had been approved and they won't revisit them this year. Of course the proposed reprieve is only good for a year so they won't allow insurance companies reissue illegal policies.

Maybe. But CA and WA are the states with strong exchanges, so that's probably not a problem.

again, the onus has been shifted back to Big Insurance.

CA has a strong exchange huh? Then explain to me why 1 million of them are now sitting at home with no healthcare insurance? If I recall, Washington is no better off. You don't see a problem? That's utterly sad, Joe.

 

[The T]

The health care problem could be fixed if we got serious tort reform. Provided insurance that did not cover routine health care. Allow insurance to be sold across state lines. Costs would drop significantly. Then we wouldn't need obamacare.

Why we even have insurance that covers routine doctor visits is ridiculous anyway. Your auto insurance doesn't cover wiper blades or oil changes.

Indeed. And kudos...A plethora of leftists tried to equate auto insurance with Health insurance...when it's apples and cumquats...As government IS responsible for posting roads as per the constitution (Article 1, Section 8:... "To establish Post Offices and Post Roads....which means building roads where the post or post office may carry out their duties, which means the Congress should require insurance to ensure public safety as road funds come from taxes)? I still can't find where the Constitution states that healthcare was the responsibility of government to provide, much less dictate.

I hope Justice Roberts enjoys what he has wrought upon this Republic by helping Obama subvert the Constitution.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

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1) Allow people the choice of what insurance they want.
2) See 1
3) See 1
4) Eliminate cancellations based on preexisting conditions
5) Give tax credits to doctors who perform care for the indigent

Okay.

So long as when people get the insurance they want, the Insurance companies can't come back and cheat them later.

Oh. Wait. That was the problem.

They WERE cheating their customers.

They were calling acne pre-existing cancerous conditions and liver transplants "expiramental surgery"

Get it?

This was the problem that ACA was meant to address. Not just the 46 million who couldn't get insurance, but the folks who thought they had perfectly good insurance until they actually got sick and found out, not so much.

strange, Obamacare calls acne a preexisting condition too, does that mean that the government is cheating people too? Or is the truth that you are making shit up in an attempt to pretend yo are smarter than the virus that is swimming around your bloodstream?

 

[healthmyths]

Big State won't let insurance companies reinstate policies. California and Washington came out with the hour and said the plans for 2014 had been approved and they won't revisit them this year. Of course the proposed reprieve is only good for a year so they won't allow insurance companies reissue illegal policies.

Maybe. But CA and WA are the states with strong exchanges, so that's probably not a problem.

again, the onus has been shifted back to Big Insurance.

And again we are reminded that insurance companies have no business being in the business of health care, and that's how we got here today.

It's an inherent truth: You are born with a body that will need care. So the concept of purchasing insurance to avoid the inevitable is absurd. Other first world countries know this and have adapted. Why can't we?

Insurance should stick to risk humans take for CHOICES such as boats, houses, cars, commercial enterprise, business ventures, and liability for exposing others to your choices.

If you don't agree, then please accept personal responsibility: Start having babies at home, cure yourself when you get sick and please, heal your family when they get sick and when you get old?... die at home, too. Stop making huge profits for insurance companies that KNOW the odds are on their side, not ours.

HUGE profits???? Prove that statement!
First DEFINE "HUGE"!
Second what will happen when those "HUGE" profits disappear?
Where will the $100 billion a year paid by insurance companies in Federal/state/local taxes are gone and your property taxes GO UP when those companies close their buildings?

More importantly What will happen to the 400,000 people employed by insurance companies? Calculated that cost??

Finally ... THERE would NEVER be an ACA if the truth was told there were never 46 million "uninsured".. not when 10 million are not citizens! 14 million are covered byMedicaid and
18 million under 34 making over $50k don't want and don't NEED their employers' health plans!
So that leaves ONLY 4 million!
A $5,000 premium for each of the 4 million could come from taxing lawyers 10% LIKE ACA TAXES tanning salons because tanning causes cancer.. WELL Lawyers cause according
to 90% of doctors $850 billion a year! $850 billion in wasted duplicate tests,etc. all out of fear of lawsuits!

So ONE solution reduces uninsured to zero that want insurance!
ONE solution REDUCES the $850 billion easily by 20%!
THAT reduction in claims of $850 billion paid by insurance companies MEANS lower premiums!

But see most idiots haven't the faintest idea how risk management, premiums are calculated, medical liability ratios... too much over you idiots' HEADS!
So you react to what the MSM ignorati publish i.e. 46 million uninsured.. evil health insurance companies... etc...

I am constantly amazed at how TRULY dumb most of you people are ! YOU can't even subtract 42 million that are either not citizens, already covered or don't want or need..leaving
4 million !

Disgusting how truly stupid you people are!!!

 

[The T]

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His ability to grant waivers ends where states' rights to regulate policies begins.

He made an empty gesture to try to fit an appearance of action in between Clinton's smackdown on Wednesday and Landrieu's bill on Friday.

A gesture that refocuses the problem where it belongs- on the insurance companies.

Obama didn't cancel ONE policy. Not one.

Cigna and United Health Care and Blue Cross and Blue Sheild did.

Because they could no longer pretend that these policies really were anything more than paying your money for wishful thinking.

Tell you what, show me the part of the law that allows Obama to hand out retroactive waivers and I will admit you are right about everything, and switch my support fully behind Obamacare.

What will you do if you are wrong?

And what part of ANY law that allows Obama to cherry-pick and wield power to rewrite without the legislature?

 

[Zander]

By Templar Kormac

I remember the night when Obama got elected 5 years ago. I was a hard right Republican just two years out of high school. My knowledge of politics was limited. I couldn't help but hope with the rest of those Americans that there would be a positive change in this country. I wanted so badly to be swept along with the rest of them, join in the euphoria of the election of the first black man to the White House. But I held myself back. As the first 100 days went by, I knew Obama would be no ordinary president. I never thought that one day, this self proclaimed savior of America would be the instrument of his own destruction.

In those 100 days, Democrats had garnered majorities in both houses of Congress, and finally after the electoral euphoria wore off, the discussion turned to healthcare insurance and economic recovery. Obama proposed a plan that he purported would provide the millions of uninsured Americans access to affordable healthcare. I thought to myself, 'hey this is cool, maybe he won't be such a bad president after all. Maybe I can get insurance!' But as I began to learn how to investigate and do research, I found out how little of this law was going to work.

Republicans repeatedly and without fail warned that millions of Americans would lose their insurance and that premiums would skyrocket, while the newly elected president continued to assert that if they liked their plans and doctors they could keep them. Despite the objections of millions upon millions of Americans against this new proposal, on Christmas Eve that same year, Democrats passed what would be now known as Obamacare. Republicans could do little else to stop it's passage, other than to unanimously vote no. Little did I know just how loud those objections would become.

In 2010, the backlash was tremendous. Throughout the year, millions of Americans assailed their Representatives and Senators during the congressional recess, the question most asked was "Why? Why would you ignore the will of we the people to pass a law we didn't consent to?" On election night that year, the Democrats paid dearly for their unwillingness to heed to the will of their constituents. They were swiftly rendered a minority in the house, and though miraculously, kept control of the Senate.

The next year and a half didn't see much debate on the law, since the inevitability of the ACA's implementation was almost certain. In 2011 and 2012 we saw Obama campaign on his promises, amidst the Arab Spring, the Benghazi Scandal and Superstorm Sandy. The previous four years saw him do little to fix a broken economy, but yet he was put back in the White House for a second term. Republicans would try in futility to repeal Obamacare, only to be vilified successfully by their opponents.

This year, all hell broke out for Obama, as it was made known that people under him had been targeting Tea Party organizations unfairly during the previous election. Then it got even worse, it was discovered that the NSA had been spying on millions of Americans. Scandal after scandal broke out in Washington, damaging a once proud presidency.

Still, Obama remained undeterred, unblemished. He had the entire media behind him, he could do no wrong. There was so much momentum from the passage of the law that it seemed as if Obama would be the proverbial Democratic version of Ronald Reagan. Obama appeared to be invincible. Nobody could stop him. But after all those years of broken promises and scandals, it would be the signature law that supposedly defined Obama's presidency which would be responsible for undoing it. Millions of people began losing their healthcare, and premiums began rising exponentially.

The death blow came as Obama admitted that he lied to America about keeping their insurance plans and paying lower premiums. He tried to make it right by issuing an executive order allowing those millions adversely affected to keep their insurance, to no avail. In five years, I have watched myself metamorphose into someone who departed from the two party world, as I watched the presidency of a self anointed savior evaporate into the thinness of the air. The death of a presidency has come swiftly and the aura of hope and change has faded.

Well said!!
But...
you are far too kind...he's really just another liberal nincompoop! Their ideas only work on paper ...and in fantasyland....with unicorns, rainbows, and fairy dust.

 

[The T]

It may be a bit long winded but still. I do believe this law is and will be the death of Obama's presidency. For the remaining years to come, he will be haunted by the lies he told and the promises he broke.

You are so dramatic!!! Why not just write a new soap opera for television??

Why not present an argument? Or are you simply going to play the clown?

Latter. it's always been her lot in life on USMB.

 

[percysunshine]

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His ability to grant waivers ends where states' rights to regulate policies begins.

He made an empty gesture to try to fit an appearance of action in between Clinton's smackdown on Wednesday and Landrieu's bill on Friday.

A gesture that refocuses the problem where it belongs- on the insurance companies.

Obama didn't cancel ONE policy. Not one.

Cigna and United Health Care and Blue Cross and Blue Sheild did.

Because they could no longer pretend that these policies really were anything more than paying your money for wishful thinking.

Tell you what, show me the part of the law that allows Obama to hand out retroactive waivers and I will admit you are right about everything, and switch my support fully behind Obamacare.

What will you do if you are wrong?

The salient links are,

The Act;

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ148/html/PLAW-111publ148.htm



The subsequent regulations;

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2012-02-15/pdf/2012-3547.pdf

 

[The2ndAmendment]

OMG 2 many w3rdZ ... lol ... Oba-aa-aa-ma loves me!

 

[TemplarKormac]

You are so dramatic!!! Why not just write a new soap opera for television??

Why not present an argument? Or are you simply going to play the clown?

Latter. it's always been her lot in life on USMB.

I see.

 

[The T]

Maybe. But CA and WA are the states with strong exchanges, so that's probably not a problem.

again, the onus has been shifted back to Big Insurance.

And again we are reminded that insurance companies have no business being in the business of health care, and that's how we got here today.

It's an inherent truth: You are born with a body that will need care. So the concept of purchasing insurance to avoid the inevitable is absurd. Other first world countries know this and have adapted. Why can't we?

Insurance should stick to risk humans take for CHOICES such as boats, houses, cars, commercial enterprise, business ventures, and liability for exposing others to your choices.

If you don't agree, then please accept personal responsibility: Start having babies at home, cure yourself when you get sick and please, heal your family when they get sick and when you get old?... die at home, too. Stop making huge profits for insurance companies that KNOW the odds are on their side, not ours.

HUGE profits???? Prove that statement!
First DEFINE "HUGE"!
Second what will happen when those "HUGE" profits disappear?
Where will the $100 billion a year paid by insurance companies in Federal/state/local taxes are gone and your property taxes GO UP when those companies close their buildings?

More importantly What will happen to the 400,000 people employed by insurance companies? Calculated that cost??

Finally ... THERE would NEVER be an ACA if the truth was told there were never 46 million "uninsured".. not when 10 million are not citizens! 14 million are covered byMedicaid and
18 million under 34 making over $50k don't want and don't NEED their employers' health plans!
So that leaves ONLY 4 million!
A $5,000 premium for each of the 4 million could come from taxing lawyers 10% LIKE ACA TAXES tanning salons because tanning causes cancer.. WELL Lawyers cause according
to 90% of doctors $850 billion a year! $850 billion in wasted duplicate tests,etc. all out of fear of lawsuits!

So ONE solution reduces uninsured to zero that want insurance!
ONE solution REDUCES the $850 billion easily by 20%!
THAT reduction in claims of $850 billion paid by insurance companies MEANS lower premiums!

But see most idiots haven't the faintest idea how risk management, premiums are calculated, medical liability ratios... too much over you idiots' HEADS!
So you react to what the MSM ignorati publish i.e. 46 million uninsured.. evil health insurance companies... etc...

I am constantly amazed at how TRULY dumb most of you people are ! YOU can't even subtract 42 million that are either not citizens, already covered or don't want or need..leaving
4 million !

Disgusting how truly stupid you people are!!!

Indeed. If anything/ BY DESIGN., ObamaCare was to push Insurance companies out of business...with Single Payer as the ultimate goal. Been that way since Woodrow Wilson 100 years ago. Their eye is on the prize, and loose it from their gnarled clutches won't be easy.

 

[The T]

Why not present an argument? Or are you simply going to play the clown?

Latter. it's always been her lot in life on USMB.

I see.

Been here awhile...I know...(a little too long mayhaps)?

 

[auditor0007]

It may be a bit long winded but still. I do believe this law is and will be the death of Obama's presidency. For the remaining years to come, he will be haunted by the lies he told and the promises he broke.

Until people actually check out their exchange and find out they can get the same or better coverage for the same price or even save some money. Supposedly 5 million people have received cancellation notices, according to Fox News. 1.5 million have registered on the health exchanges, most all before the 5 million received their cancellation notices. This tells us one important fact; those who have received cancellations have not even checked out their exchange to see what is now available for them. Once they do check out their exchange, a lot of them are going to be in for a big surprise when they start to understand that they are getting a better policy for the same amount or less, and some will even be eligible for a subsidy that will further reduce how much it is going to cost them.

Now, there will be those who do end up paying more. The way it is set up is not perfect for everyone, but the fact is that more are going to benefit than be screwed. And I'm not talking out my ass here. I am one of those who is losing my insurance come the end of the year. I got my cancellation notice, and I've found a plan I am going to be very happy with. It is just slightly cheaper than what I had, and the benefits are comparable to what I had, and that is with no subsidy.

 

[percysunshine]

It may be a bit long winded but still. I do believe this law is and will be the death of Obama's presidency. For the remaining years to come, he will be haunted by the lies he told and the promises he broke.

Until people actually check out their exchange and find out they can get the same or better coverage for the same price or even save some money. Supposedly 5 million people have received cancellation notices, according to Fox News. 1.5 million have registered on the health exchanges, most all before the 5 million received their cancellation notices. This tells us one important fact; those who have received cancellations have not even checked out their exchange to see what is now available for them. Once they do check out their exchange, a lot of them are going to be in for a big surprise when they start to understand that they are getting a better policy for the same amount or less, and some will even be eligible for a subsidy that will further reduce how much it is going to cost them.

Now, there will be those who do end up paying more. The way it is set up is not perfect for everyone, but the fact is that more are going to benefit than be screwed. And I'm not talking out my ass here. I am one of those who is losing my insurance come the end of the year. I got my cancellation notice, and I've found a plan I am going to be very happy with. It is just slightly cheaper than what I had, and the benefits are comparable to what I had, and that is with no subsidy.

Let me guess. You went to Media Matters for your numbers.

 

[Oldstyle]

What on earth are you talking about? Are you upset because what I said was true?

As a recent subscriber to this forum, I'm discovering that those who refuse to acknowledge this administration is a failure, often immediately attempts to divert attention to "it's all Bush's fault" instead of engaging in civil debate. FWIW, I enjoyed reading your post and shared the same cautious hope you did when Obama was elected. It's hard to witness the crumbling of this administration b/c it will have disastrous long term effects on our country.

How is this administration a failure? Don't you remember the condition of the country when Obama took office? Considering that republicans declared war on him from day one, not giving a crap if they destroyed the world's economy, Obama has done pretty well.

Barack Obama has overseen the worst recovery from a recession since the Great Depression.

Millions of American are STILL out of work and this Administration doesn't have a plan to put them back to work instead Barry keeps on asking for a "do over" on his first stimulus...the one that worked so badly they had to come up with a whole new economic statistic "jobs created or saved" to hide how bad it was.

It's been one scandal after another with this group of idiots! Fast & Furious. The IRS Tea Party debacle. Benghazi. Phone taps on the media.

Now we're seeing the roll out of Obama's signature legislative achievement...his "legacy"...the Affordable Care Act! It's here and it's yet ANOTHER disaster. Millions losing the policies they liked and were assured they could keep. Millions losing the doctors they liked and were assured they could keep. Millions getting increases in their health care premiums after being assured that their premiums would be lower. A web site that took over 3 years and hundreds of millions in tax payer dollars to set up only to have it crash and burn.

THAT is what you call "doing pretty well"? REALLY? Barack Obama is well on his way to claiming the prize for most ineffective American President EVER!!!

 

[TemplarKormac]

Spoken like a true Obama drone

Think for yourself much?

-Geaux

*Emphatically NO* Joey is a talking points Commie dupe. NO WAY he was ever a Conservative, much less Republican as he claims. He's a poseur as others like Fakey Starkey.

Because you've been with me every step of my 51 years on Earth, and know exactly what my life is?

Wow. You're 51 years old? Doesn't it bother you to get routinely pounded by a 26 year old? You should be. Someone my age normally wouldn't catch how utterly deceptive and dishonest you are. But I do and have. To be as gullible as you are at that age is pathetic. How can you defend a law that is inherently flawed? How do you continue plodding on in defense of Obama even after he has been undone by his own hand?

I'm genuinely shocked.

 

[The T]

It may be a bit long winded but still. I do believe this law is and will be the death of Obama's presidency. For the remaining years to come, he will be haunted by the lies he told and the promises he broke.

Until people actually check out their exchange and find out they can get the same or better coverage for the same price or even save some money. Supposedly 5 million people have received cancellation notices, according to Fox News. 1.5 million have registered on the health exchanges, most all before the 5 million received their cancellation notices. This tells us one important fact; those who have received cancellations have not even checked out their exchange to see what is now available for them. Once they do check out their exchange, a lot of them are going to be in for a big surprise when they start to understand that they are getting a better policy for the same amount or less, and some will even be eligible for a subsidy that will further reduce how much it is going to cost them.

Now, there will be those who do end up paying more. The way it is set up is not perfect for everyone, but the fact is that more are going to benefit than be screwed. And I'm not talking out my ass here. I am one of those who is losing my insurance come the end of the year. I got my cancellation notice, and I've found a plan I am going to be very happy with. It is just slightly cheaper than what I had, and the benefits are comparable to what I had, and that is with no subsidy.

Check their exchange, Gracie? MY advice is to stay the Hell away from it and the 800 number and flaunt it...Civil Disobedience...WHAT good is a LAW that the POTUS willy-nilly changes on the fly for politics sake?

Folks? DO NOT COMPLY. Tell Obama and the Government outright to go fuck themselves.

 

[JohnA]

Those your own words?

Yes they are. Writing is a hobby of mine.

We'll give you an "A" on that assignment TK...but you could have said..."the president was an ahole from day one...and remains an ahole."

Ive been active on this site for many years this is one of the best posts ive ever read .. true without bias no rude/ insulting comments and extremely well written
i salute you sir ( TC )

 

[TemplarKormac]

It may be a bit long winded but still. I do believe this law is and will be the death of Obama's presidency. For the remaining years to come, he will be haunted by the lies he told and the promises he broke.

Until people actually check out their exchange and find out they can get the same or better coverage for the same price or even save some money. Supposedly 5 million people have received cancellation notices, according to Fox News. 1.5 million have registered on the health exchanges, most all before the 5 million received their cancellation notices. This tells us one important fact; those who have received cancellations have not even checked out their exchange to see what is now available for them. Once they do check out their exchange, a lot of them are going to be in for a big surprise when they start to understand that they are getting a better policy for the same amount or less, and some will even be eligible for a subsidy that will further reduce how much it is going to cost them.

Now, there will be those who do end up paying more. The way it is set up is not perfect for everyone, but the fact is that more are going to benefit than be screwed. And I'm not talking out my ass here. I am one of those who is losing my insurance come the end of the year. I got my cancellation notice, and I've found a plan I am going to be very happy with. It is just slightly cheaper than what I had, and the benefits are comparable to what I had, and that is with no subsidy.

Your argument doesn't last past the first sentence. People won't find better insurance on the exchanges. Premiums are 41% higher under Obamacare. As I read to your second paragraph I notice that you say "the way it is set up is not perfect for anyone."

Sir, this law isn't perfect for anyone. Unless you live in any one of the five states that actually saw drops in premiums under Obamacare, you're a liar. Most of these people LIKED their insurance. They don't need to be coerced into perusing the exchanges. If you make the claim their insurance was "substandard," according to whom? You simply don't understand. It may work for you, but for 5 million others it didn't.

 

[Oldstyle]

It may be a bit long winded but still. I do believe this law is and will be the death of Obama's presidency. For the remaining years to come, he will be haunted by the lies he told and the promises he broke.

Until people actually check out their exchange and find out they can get the same or better coverage for the same price or even save some money. Supposedly 5 million people have received cancellation notices, according to Fox News. 1.5 million have registered on the health exchanges, most all before the 5 million received their cancellation notices. This tells us one important fact; those who have received cancellations have not even checked out their exchange to see what is now available for them. Once they do check out their exchange, a lot of them are going to be in for a big surprise when they start to understand that they are getting a better policy for the same amount or less, and some will even be eligible for a subsidy that will further reduce how much it is going to cost them.

Now, there will be those who do end up paying more. The way it is set up is not perfect for everyone, but the fact is that more are going to benefit than be screwed. And I'm not talking out my ass here. I am one of those who is losing my insurance come the end of the year. I got my cancellation notice, and I've found a plan I am going to be very happy with. It is just slightly cheaper than what I had, and the benefits are comparable to what I had, and that is with no subsidy.

Gee, Auditor...what I'm seeing is higher premiums pretty much across the board for people going on the exchanges without getting subsidies. I checked mine out and the comparable plan on the exchange here in Florida is about 25% higher for me. Where are you at that your premiums went down?