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The Cult of Communism: Jim Jones and the Jonestown mass murder-suicide

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James Warren Jones (May 13, 1931 – November 18, 1978) was an American cult leader and communist.[1][2] Jones was ordained as a Disciples of Christ pastor, and he achieved notoriety as the founder and leader of the radical leftist Peoples Temple, which was often described as having cult-like qualities.


In 1978, media reports surfaced that human rights abuses were taking place in Peoples Temple's Jonestown, Guyana headquarters. Democratic Party Congressman Leo Ryan led an investigation into the commune and was murdered while boarding a return flight with defectors. Jones subsequently committed a mass murder-suicide of 918 of his followers in Jonestown, Guyana. Nearly three hundred children were murdered, almost all of them by cyanide poisoning via a Flavor Aid mix. This historical episode gave rise to the ubiquitous American-English expression "drinking the Kool-Aid"...

Commies and socialists are basically brainwashed cultists who drank the Kool-Aid.
 

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Consider: Jones was a con man, a demagogue and a charlatan. Now, ask yourself, are any of the character flaws or inadequacies, apparent in the current administration.

Yes or No, let's not move the goal posts to bring up HRC, President Obama or any non member of the Trump Administration and inner circle.
 

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Just another fundie christian cult.


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The guy was a radical leftist, but nice try.

He was (Jones) an Authoritarian, which is a traditional description of a conservative, and thus usually assigned a seat on the right. Pretending every bad thing is a product of some imaginary "leftist", radical or otherwise, is an echo of a fantasy, and absolutely absurd.

The Left - Right dichotomy remains the standard for the Left's support for democracy, and the Right's support for (for a lack of a better word) a king.

Your use of "leftist", radical or not, is used as a pejorative, and it is clear that those who sit on your side of the aisle have used it in the same framework. Thus it is far to question to ask your, and their, allegiance to our form of government.

Do you believe our form of government is a Democratic Republic? Yes or No?
 
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Consider: Jones was a con man, a demagogue and a charlatan. Now, ask yourself, are any of the character flaws or inadequacies, apparent in the current administration.

Only if we're talking about the alternative universe where Hillary is the current President.
 

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Jim Jones may or may not have been any of the things he's been accused of so far in this thread.

But one thing we do know for sure is that his followers sure were stupid people.
 

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Consider: Jones was a con man, a demagogue and a charlatan. Now, ask yourself, are any of the character flaws or inadequacies, apparent in the current administration.

Only if we're talking about the alternative universe where Hillary is the current President.

You've proved one thing, you're dishonest.

My entire post was this:

"Consider: Jones was a con man, a demagogue and a charlatan. Now, ask yourself, are any of the character flaws or inadequacies, apparent in the current administration.

"Yes or No, let's not move the goal posts to bring up HRC, President Obama or any non member of the Trump Administration and inner circle."

It's best to ignore my post(s) than to lie by omission
 

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The guy was a radical leftist, but nice try.

He was (Jones) an Authoritarian, which is a traditional description of a conservative, and thus usually assigned a seat on the right. Pretending every bad thing is a product of some imaginary "leftist", radical or otherwise, is an echo of a fantasy, and absolutely absurd.

The Left - Right dichotomy remains the standard for the Left's support for democracy, and the Right's support for (for a lack of a better word) a king.

Your use of "leftist", radical or not, is used as a pejorative, and it is clear that those who sit on your side of the aisle have used it in the same framework. Thus it is far to question to ask your, and their, allegiance to our form of government.

Do you believe our form of government is a Democratic Republic? Yes or No?


No, moron...he was an honest to goodness communist....through and through....

Jim Jones - Wikipedia

Indiana beginnings[edit]
Further information: Peoples Temple

In 1951, Jones began attending meetings and rallies of the Communist Party USA in Indianapolis.[1] He became flustered with harassment he received during the McCarthy Hearings,[1] particularly regarding an event he attended with his mother focusing on Paul Robeson, after which she was harassed by the FBI in front of her co-workers for attending.[2] He also became frustrated with ostracism of open communists in the United States, especially during the trial of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.[17]This frustration, among other things, provoked a seminal moment for Jones in which he asked himself, "How can I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church."[1][2]

Jones was surprised when a Methodist superintendent helped him get a start in the church even though he knew Jones to be a communist and Jones did not meet him through the Communist Party.[17] In 1952, Jones became a student pastor in Sommerset Southside Methodist Church, but claimed he left that church because its leaders barred him from integrating blacks into his congregation.[1] Around this time, Jones witnessed a faith-healing service at a Seventh Day Baptist Church.[1] He observed that it attracted people and their money and concluded that, with financial resources from such healings, he could help accomplish his social goals.[1]

Jones organized a mammoth religious convention to take place June 11 through June 15, 1956, in a cavernous Indianapolis hall called Cadle Tabernacle. To draw the crowds, Jim needed a religious headliner, and so he arranged to share the pulpit with Rev. William M. Branham, a healing evangelist and religious author at the time as highly revered as Oral Roberts.[7] Following the convention, Jones was able to launch his own church, which changed names until it became the Peoples Temple Christian Church Full Gospel.[1] The Peoples Temple was initially made as an inter-racial mission.


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He was a supporter of the nut jobs in North Korea you dip shit....

He had also long been critical of the United States' opposition to communist leader Kim Il-Sung's 1950 invasion of South Korea, calling it the "war of liberation" and stating that "the south is a living example of all that socialism in the north has overcome".[26]

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Jones was careful not to portray himself as a communist in a foreign territory, and spoke of an apostolic communal lifestyle rather than of Castro or Marx.[33]

----

According to religious studies professor Catherine Wessinger, while Jones always spoke of the social gospel's virtues, before the late 1960s Jones chose to conceal that his gospel was actually communism.[1] By the late 1960s, Jones began at least partially revealing the details of his "Apostolic Socialism" concept in Temple sermons.[1] Jones also taught that "those who remained drugged with the opiate of religion had to be brought to enlightenment – socialism".[39] Jones often mixed these ideas, such as preaching that, "If you're born in capitalist America, racist America, fascist America, then you're born in sin. But if you're born in socialism, you're not born in sin."[40]


 

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The guy was a radical leftist, but nice try.

He was (Jones) an Authoritarian, which is a traditional description of a conservative, and thus usually assigned a seat on the right. Pretending every bad thing is a product of some imaginary "leftist", radical or otherwise, is an echo of a fantasy, and absolutely absurd.

The Left - Right dichotomy remains the standard for the Left's support for democracy, and the Right's support for (for a lack of a better word) a king.

Your use of "leftist", radical or not, is used as a pejorative, and it is clear that those who sit on your side of the aisle have used it in the same framework. Thus it is far to question to ask your, and their, allegiance to our form of government.

Do you believe our form of government is a Democratic Republic? Yes or No?


No, moron...he was an honest to goodness communist....through and through....

Jim Jones - Wikipedia

Indiana beginnings[edit]
Further information: Peoples Temple

In 1951, Jones began attending meetings and rallies of the Communist Party USA in Indianapolis.[1] He became flustered with harassment he received during the McCarthy Hearings,[1] particularly regarding an event he attended with his mother focusing on Paul Robeson, after which she was harassed by the FBI in front of her co-workers for attending.[2] He also became frustrated with ostracism of open communists in the United States, especially during the trial of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.[17]This frustration, among other things, provoked a seminal moment for Jones in which he asked himself, "How can I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church."[1][2]

Jones was surprised when a Methodist superintendent helped him get a start in the church even though he knew Jones to be a communist and Jones did not meet him through the Communist Party.[17] In 1952, Jones became a student pastor in Sommerset Southside Methodist Church, but claimed he left that church because its leaders barred him from integrating blacks into his congregation.[1] Around this time, Jones witnessed a faith-healing service at a Seventh Day Baptist Church.[1] He observed that it attracted people and their money and concluded that, with financial resources from such healings, he could help accomplish his social goals.[1]

Jones organized a mammoth religious convention to take place June 11 through June 15, 1956, in a cavernous Indianapolis hall called Cadle Tabernacle. To draw the crowds, Jim needed a religious headliner, and so he arranged to share the pulpit with Rev. William M. Branham, a healing evangelist and religious author at the time as highly revered as Oral Roberts.[7] Following the convention, Jones was able to launch his own church, which changed names until it became the Peoples Temple Christian Church Full Gospel.[1] The Peoples Temple was initially made as an inter-racial mission.


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He was a supporter of the nut jobs in North Korea you dip shit....

He had also long been critical of the United States' opposition to communist leader Kim Il-Sung's 1950 invasion of South Korea, calling it the "war of liberation" and stating that "the south is a living example of all that socialism in the north has overcome".[26]

-----

Jones was careful not to portray himself as a communist in a foreign territory, and spoke of an apostolic communal lifestyle rather than of Castro or Marx.[33]

----

According to religious studies professor Catherine Wessinger, while Jones always spoke of the social gospel's virtues, before the late 1960s Jones chose to conceal that his gospel was actually communism.[1] By the late 1960s, Jones began at least partially revealing the details of his "Apostolic Socialism" concept in Temple sermons.[1] Jones also taught that "those who remained drugged with the opiate of religion had to be brought to enlightenment – socialism".[39] Jones often mixed these ideas, such as preaching that, "If you're born in capitalist America, racist America, fascist America, then you're born in sin. But if you're born in socialism, you're not born in sin."[40]


"He was (Jones) an Authoritarian, which is a traditional description of a conservative, and thus usually assigned a seat on the right. Pretending every bad thing is a product of some imaginary "leftist", radical or otherwise, is an echo of a fantasy, and absolutely absurd.

The Left - Right dichotomy remains the standard for the Left's support for democracy, and the Right's support for (for a lack of a better word) a king."

It is historically accurate that Jones was an Authoritarian and a flim-flan man, so is Trump. The former may have been a Communist, and the latter is a Plutocrat - neither one of them should be in a position of power in the United States.
 

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The guy was a radical leftist, but nice try.

He was (Jones) an Authoritarian, which is a traditional description of a conservative, and thus usually assigned a seat on the right. Pretending every bad thing is a product of some imaginary "leftist", radical or otherwise, is an echo of a fantasy, and absolutely absurd.

The Left - Right dichotomy remains the standard for the Left's support for democracy, and the Right's support for (for a lack of a better word) a king.

Your use of "leftist", radical or not, is used as a pejorative, and it is clear that those who sit on your side of the aisle have used it in the same framework. Thus it is far to question to ask your, and their, allegiance to our form of government.

Do you believe our form of government is a Democratic Republic? Yes or No?


No, moron...he was an honest to goodness communist....through and through....

Jim Jones - Wikipedia

Indiana beginnings[edit]
Further information: Peoples Temple

In 1951, Jones began attending meetings and rallies of the Communist Party USA in Indianapolis.[1] He became flustered with harassment he received during the McCarthy Hearings,[1] particularly regarding an event he attended with his mother focusing on Paul Robeson, after which she was harassed by the FBI in front of her co-workers for attending.[2] He also became frustrated with ostracism of open communists in the United States, especially during the trial of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.[17]This frustration, among other things, provoked a seminal moment for Jones in which he asked himself, "How can I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church."[1][2]

Jones was surprised when a Methodist superintendent helped him get a start in the church even though he knew Jones to be a communist and Jones did not meet him through the Communist Party.[17] In 1952, Jones became a student pastor in Sommerset Southside Methodist Church, but claimed he left that church because its leaders barred him from integrating blacks into his congregation.[1] Around this time, Jones witnessed a faith-healing service at a Seventh Day Baptist Church.[1] He observed that it attracted people and their money and concluded that, with financial resources from such healings, he could help accomplish his social goals.[1]

Jones organized a mammoth religious convention to take place June 11 through June 15, 1956, in a cavernous Indianapolis hall called Cadle Tabernacle. To draw the crowds, Jim needed a religious headliner, and so he arranged to share the pulpit with Rev. William M. Branham, a healing evangelist and religious author at the time as highly revered as Oral Roberts.[7] Following the convention, Jones was able to launch his own church, which changed names until it became the Peoples Temple Christian Church Full Gospel.[1] The Peoples Temple was initially made as an inter-racial mission.


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He was a supporter of the nut jobs in North Korea you dip shit....

He had also long been critical of the United States' opposition to communist leader Kim Il-Sung's 1950 invasion of South Korea, calling it the "war of liberation" and stating that "the south is a living example of all that socialism in the north has overcome".[26]

-----

Jones was careful not to portray himself as a communist in a foreign territory, and spoke of an apostolic communal lifestyle rather than of Castro or Marx.[33]

----

According to religious studies professor Catherine Wessinger, while Jones always spoke of the social gospel's virtues, before the late 1960s Jones chose to conceal that his gospel was actually communism.[1] By the late 1960s, Jones began at least partially revealing the details of his "Apostolic Socialism" concept in Temple sermons.[1] Jones also taught that "those who remained drugged with the opiate of religion had to be brought to enlightenment – socialism".[39] Jones often mixed these ideas, such as preaching that, "If you're born in capitalist America, racist America, fascist America, then you're born in sin. But if you're born in socialism, you're not born in sin."[40]


"He was (Jones) an Authoritarian, which is a traditional description of a conservative, and thus usually assigned a seat on the right. Pretending every bad thing is a product of some imaginary "leftist", radical or otherwise, is an echo of a fantasy, and absolutely absurd.

The Left - Right dichotomy remains the standard for the Left's support for democracy, and the Right's support for (for a lack of a better word) a king."

It is historically accurate that Jones was an Authoritarian and a flim-flan man, so is Trump. The former may have been a Communist, and the latter is a Plutocrat - neither one of them should be in a position of power in the United States.

What part of the truth about this guy do you not understand.......? He actually was a believer in communism...this isn't just made up...this is the truth...

Jim Jones - Wikipedia

Indiana beginnings[edit]
Further information: Peoples Temple

In 1951, Jones began attending meetings and rallies of the Communist Party USA in Indianapolis.[1] He became flustered with harassment he received during the McCarthy Hearings,[1] particularly regarding an event he attended with his mother focusing on Paul Robeson, after which she was harassed by the FBI in front of her co-workers for attending.[2] He also became frustrated with ostracism of open communists in the United States, especially during the trial of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.[17]This frustration, among other things, provoked a seminal moment for Jones in which he asked himself, "How can I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church."[1][2]

Jones was surprised when a Methodist superintendent helped him get a start in the church even though he knew Jones to be a communist and Jones did not meet him through the Communist Party.[17] In 1952, Jones became a student pastor in Sommerset Southside Methodist Church, but claimed he left that church because its leaders barred him from integrating blacks into his congregation.[1] Around this time, Jones witnessed a faith-healing service at a Seventh Day Baptist Church.[1] He observed that it attracted people and their money and concluded that, with financial resources from such healings, he could help accomplish his social goals.[1]

Jones organized a mammoth religious convention to take place June 11 through June 15, 1956, in a cavernous Indianapolis hall called Cadle Tabernacle. To draw the crowds, Jim needed a religious headliner, and so he arranged to share the pulpit with Rev. William M. Branham, a healing evangelist and religious author at the time as highly revered as Oral Roberts.[7] Following the convention, Jones was able to launch his own church, which changed names until it became the Peoples Temple Christian Church Full Gospel.[1] The Peoples Temple was initially made as an inter-racial mission.


-----

He was a supporter of the nut jobs in North Korea you dip shit....

He had also long been critical of the United States' opposition to communist leader Kim Il-Sung's 1950 invasion of South Korea, calling it the "war of liberation" and stating that "the south is a living example of all that socialism in the north has overcome".[26]

-----

Jones was careful not to portray himself as a communist in a foreign territory, and spoke of an apostolic communal lifestyle rather than of Castro or Marx.[33]

----

According to religious studies professor Catherine Wessinger, while Jones always spoke of the social gospel's virtues, before the late 1960s Jones chose to conceal that his gospel was actually communism.[1] By the late 1960s, Jones began at least partially revealing the details of his "Apostolic Socialism" concept in Temple sermons.[1] Jones also taught that "those who remained drugged with the opiate of religion had to be brought to enlightenment – socialism".[39] Jones often mixed these ideas, such as preaching that, "If you're born in capitalist America, racist America, fascist America, then you're born in sin. But if you're born in socialism, you're not born in sin."[40]
 

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