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Is Trump Hitler or Jim Jones, he can't be both.

Has Hitler become more likeable now that those on the Left have declared jihad on the Hebrew state? Is this why you have switched to calling Trump Jim Jones? Just know that Jim Jones was a Left wing loon himself as he broke from the church because it was not "progressive" enough and inclusive enough for him.

Here is the truth about him


Yet the Jonestown massacre itself is only dimly known to contemporary Americans, and the details of the event are often ignored by news and academia. It is, after all, an inconvenient story, in which a Communist community, led by a committed Marxist and ’60s Bay Area radical, came to a horrifying end.

Following the mass suicide, the mainstream media spun the story into one of religious fanaticism rather than leftist fanaticism. Had a right-winger persuaded followers to join him in retreating from society and building their own enclave, then held them prisoner and ultimately persuaded or forced them to take their own lives in some sort of revolutionary act, Jonestown would be taught more widely in schools than Abe Lincoln. Instead, when Jonestown is addressed, the Marxism of the People’s Temple is whitewashed and the story is packaged as one of a religious cult gone awry, or as a warning against the perils of organized religion.

This deliberate obfuscation happened immediately. As a contemporaneous (1978) Accuracy in Media report made clear, “The ideology of Jonestown was communism, not Christianity, but the media have obscured rather than explained that fact.”

AIM explained, “Our media have concealed, misrepresented, or downplayed the key element in the philosophy of Jim Jones,” rightly noting that Jones was, contrary to the misleading media reports, “a long-time dedicated Marxist communist who admired totalitarian communist dictatorships such as the Soviet Union and Cuba so much that he built one of his own in Guyana.”

Even weeks after the event, AIM found there was not a single article in the mainstream press that delved into Jones’s Marxist beliefs and connections. Instead, despite his views and his well-known admiration for Castro’s Cuba and the Soviet Union, reporters went out of their way to avoid labeling Jones a Communist. Some in the media, such as Walter Cronkite, even reported on Jones as a “fascist” — any “ist” as long as it wasn’t a Communist.

Yet Marxist he was, and so was his group. Jonestown life was nearly identical to that in Communist nations: Inhabitants were essentially prisoners (prohibited from leaving the settlement and punished if caught trying to leave); no private ownership of any goods was allowed; no communication with the outside world was allowed; hard labor in the fields was mandatory, as was attendance at Jones’s lengthy, Castro-like sermons; armed henchmen spied on and intimidated others who dared step out of line or complain; family structures were deliberately destroyed, with Jones encouraging adultery or assigning husbands and wives to separate living quarters; residents were poorly fed and overworked, while Jones himself lived in luxury; and, of course, in keeping with Jonestown’s Marxism, there was almost no religious observance, making the media’s description of Jonestown cultists as religious fanatics, over more than 30 years, all the more dishonest.

As for the enigmatic Reverend Jim Jones, who was he? The Indiana-born Jones, a former community organizer, was a committed Marxist since at least the age of 18. (His idol was Mao Tse-tung.) He believed himself to be the reincarnation of Lenin and dreamed of a socialist America. Jones began attending Communist-party meetings in 1951 and was soon a full-fledged radical.

An atheist, Jones cleverly realized, quite early on, that religion could serve as a vehicle to attract followers to his social-justice views and his “church.” Masquerading as a Christian preacher, he ultimately founded the People’s Temple, which grew substantially thanks to followers’ donations. Jones would later readily admit that he asked himself what would be the best method to spread Marxism and decided on doing so by infiltrating Christians and preaching Marxism disguised as religion. In a 1977 New York Times interview, his wife reportedly admitted that Jones was promoting Marxism by mobilizing people via religion, and that he referred to the Bible as a paper idol he must destroy.

A decade after starting The People’s Temple in Indiana in the 1950’s, Jones moved camp to the greener pastures of San Francisco, where he found himself surrounded by fellow radicals such as Harvey Milk, who heaped praise on him and his work. Jones’s leftist views fit right in among the Bay Area glitterati. But upon learning that an upcoming press article was about to report on allegations by former Temple members that they had been emotionally, mentally, and physically abused (the bisexual Jones reportedly even sodomized some followers), the organization fled to Guyana in the summer of 1977, establishing its community abroad, away from prying eyes. Jonestown was comprised largely of committed leftists, many of whom were drawn, for one reason or another, to Jones’s railings against rampant racism, social injustice, and income equality. A few months later, Jones even visited Cuba specifically to meet with notorious Black Panther Huey Newton, returning with nothing but praise for the Communist island.
Lest there be any doubt about Jones’s political views and those of his fellow Jonestown residents, he once boasted: “I believe we’re the purest Communists there are.” When a Soviet diplomat visited Jonestown, Jones gushed: “Thank you, comrade. For many years, we have let our sympathies be quite publicly known, that the United States government was not our mother but that the Soviet Union was our spiritual motherland.”

This was not a church — this was a Communist organization.

The new settlement chugged along for over a year, but cracks began to emerge, particularly as it became harder for Jones to conceal his drug addiction.
Then, in November 1978, Representative Leo Ryan, a Bay Area Democrat, led a fact-finding trip to Jonestown in order to investigate allegations of human-rights abuses. The group included concerned relatives of Jonestown members, an NBC camera crew, and several reporters.

Ryan never returned, nor did four others of his team. They were gunned down at the airstrip when attempting to leave.

Later that day, Jones realized the People’s Church was finished and ordered his followers to end their lives. Cyanide was administered in cups of Flavor-Aid (similar to Kool-Aid) in an act of “revolutionary suicide.” More than 900 Jonestown residents, 303 of them children, perished, their bodies found in and around the pavilion. (Jones died via a self-inflicted gunshot.)


The tragedy is a stain on liberalism, not only because it showed the extremes of left-wing ideology but also because it could have been averted, had it not been for the Bay Area radicals who fawned over Jones. As FrontPage Magazine noted in a 2008 article:

The horrific scene in a Guyanese jungle clearing could have been avoided. Thousands of miles north, for years leading up to Jonestown, San Francisco officials and journalists had looked the other way while Jones acted as a law unto himself. So what if he abused children, sodomized a follower, tortured and held temple members at gun point, and defrauded the government and people of welfare and social security checks? He believes in socialism and so do we. That was the ends-justifies-the-means attitude that enabled Jim Jones to commit criminal acts in San Francisco with impunity. The people who should have stopped him instead encouraged him.

San Francisco heavy-hitters Dianne Feinstein, George Moscone, Harvey Milk, and Willie Brown all supported Jones, with Milk lobbying on his behalf even after he and his followers had fled to the jungles of Guyana.

Precisely due to the clear Marxist ideology of The People’s Church, as well as San Francisco liberal leaders’ support of Jones, the key element of the Jonestown tragedy was brushed under the rug. A story of left-wing extremism instead became a watered-down, politically correct warning about the dangers of organized religion, as is the case in this CNN article that lists Jones as an example of “When religious beliefs become evil.”

Groan. When religion becomes evil, or when extreme leftism rears its true head?
 
"Drinking the Kool-Aid" has always been an expression to describe the left, progressives, liberals, and Democrats.

Because of their lack of imagination and the inability to come up with a better expression, they've often tried to associate conservatives, Republicans and Trump-supporters with that phrase.

That just goes to show the left can't meme for shit.
 

Is Trump Hitler or Jim Jones, he can't be both.

Has Hitler become more likeable now that those on the Left have declared jihad on the Hebrew state? Is this why you have switched to calling Trump Jim Jones? Just know that Jim Jones was a Left wing loon himself as he broke from the church because it was not "progressive" enough and inclusive enough for him.

Here is the truth about him


Yet the Jonestown massacre itself is only dimly known to contemporary Americans, and the details of the event are often ignored by news and academia. It is, after all, an inconvenient story, in which a Communist community, led by a committed Marxist and ’60s Bay Area radical, came to a horrifying end.

Following the mass suicide, the mainstream media spun the story into one of religious fanaticism rather than leftist fanaticism. Had a right-winger persuaded followers to join him in retreating from society and building their own enclave, then held them prisoner and ultimately persuaded or forced them to take their own lives in some sort of revolutionary act, Jonestown would be taught more widely in schools than Abe Lincoln. Instead, when Jonestown is addressed, the Marxism of the People’s Temple is whitewashed and the story is packaged as one of a religious cult gone awry, or as a warning against the perils of organized religion.

This deliberate obfuscation happened immediately. As a contemporaneous (1978) Accuracy in Media report made clear, “The ideology of Jonestown was communism, not Christianity, but the media have obscured rather than explained that fact.”

AIM explained, “Our media have concealed, misrepresented, or downplayed the key element in the philosophy of Jim Jones,” rightly noting that Jones was, contrary to the misleading media reports, “a long-time dedicated Marxist communist who admired totalitarian communist dictatorships such as the Soviet Union and Cuba so much that he built one of his own in Guyana.”

Even weeks after the event, AIM found there was not a single article in the mainstream press that delved into Jones’s Marxist beliefs and connections. Instead, despite his views and his well-known admiration for Castro’s Cuba and the Soviet Union, reporters went out of their way to avoid labeling Jones a Communist. Some in the media, such as Walter Cronkite, even reported on Jones as a “fascist” — any “ist” as long as it wasn’t a Communist.

Yet Marxist he was, and so was his group. Jonestown life was nearly identical to that in Communist nations: Inhabitants were essentially prisoners (prohibited from leaving the settlement and punished if caught trying to leave); no private ownership of any goods was allowed; no communication with the outside world was allowed; hard labor in the fields was mandatory, as was attendance at Jones’s lengthy, Castro-like sermons; armed henchmen spied on and intimidated others who dared step out of line or complain; family structures were deliberately destroyed, with Jones encouraging adultery or assigning husbands and wives to separate living quarters; residents were poorly fed and overworked, while Jones himself lived in luxury; and, of course, in keeping with Jonestown’s Marxism, there was almost no religious observance, making the media’s description of Jonestown cultists as religious fanatics, over more than 30 years, all the more dishonest.

As for the enigmatic Reverend Jim Jones, who was he? The Indiana-born Jones, a former community organizer, was a committed Marxist since at least the age of 18. (His idol was Mao Tse-tung.) He believed himself to be the reincarnation of Lenin and dreamed of a socialist America. Jones began attending Communist-party meetings in 1951 and was soon a full-fledged radical.

An atheist, Jones cleverly realized, quite early on, that religion could serve as a vehicle to attract followers to his social-justice views and his “church.” Masquerading as a Christian preacher, he ultimately founded the People’s Temple, which grew substantially thanks to followers’ donations. Jones would later readily admit that he asked himself what would be the best method to spread Marxism and decided on doing so by infiltrating Christians and preaching Marxism disguised as religion. In a 1977 New York Times interview, his wife reportedly admitted that Jones was promoting Marxism by mobilizing people via religion, and that he referred to the Bible as a paper idol he must destroy.

A decade after starting The People’s Temple in Indiana in the 1950’s, Jones moved camp to the greener pastures of San Francisco, where he found himself surrounded by fellow radicals such as Harvey Milk, who heaped praise on him and his work. Jones’s leftist views fit right in among the Bay Area glitterati. But upon learning that an upcoming press article was about to report on allegations by former Temple members that they had been emotionally, mentally, and physically abused (the bisexual Jones reportedly even sodomized some followers), the organization fled to Guyana in the summer of 1977, establishing its community abroad, away from prying eyes. Jonestown was comprised largely of committed leftists, many of whom were drawn, for one reason or another, to Jones’s railings against rampant racism, social injustice, and income equality. A few months later, Jones even visited Cuba specifically to meet with notorious Black Panther Huey Newton, returning with nothing but praise for the Communist island.
Lest there be any doubt about Jones’s political views and those of his fellow Jonestown residents, he once boasted: “I believe we’re the purest Communists there are.” When a Soviet diplomat visited Jonestown, Jones gushed: “Thank you, comrade. For many years, we have let our sympathies be quite publicly known, that the United States government was not our mother but that the Soviet Union was our spiritual motherland.”

This was not a church — this was a Communist organization.

The new settlement chugged along for over a year, but cracks began to emerge, particularly as it became harder for Jones to conceal his drug addiction.
Then, in November 1978, Representative Leo Ryan, a Bay Area Democrat, led a fact-finding trip to Jonestown in order to investigate allegations of human-rights abuses. The group included concerned relatives of Jonestown members, an NBC camera crew, and several reporters.

Ryan never returned, nor did four others of his team. They were gunned down at the airstrip when attempting to leave.

Later that day, Jones realized the People’s Church was finished and ordered his followers to end their lives. Cyanide was administered in cups of Flavor-Aid (similar to Kool-Aid) in an act of “revolutionary suicide.” More than 900 Jonestown residents, 303 of them children, perished, their bodies found in and around the pavilion. (Jones died via a self-inflicted gunshot.)


The tragedy is a stain on liberalism, not only because it showed the extremes of left-wing ideology but also because it could have been averted, had it not been for the Bay Area radicals who fawned over Jones. As FrontPage Magazine noted in a 2008 article:



San Francisco heavy-hitters Dianne Feinstein, George Moscone, Harvey Milk, and Willie Brown all supported Jones, with Milk lobbying on his behalf even after he and his followers had fled to the jungles of Guyana.

Precisely due to the clear Marxist ideology of The People’s Church, as well as San Francisco liberal leaders’ support of Jones, the key element of the Jonestown tragedy was brushed under the rug. A story of left-wing extremism instead became a watered-down, politically correct warning about the dangers of organized religion, as is the case in this CNN article that lists Jones as an example of “When religious beliefs become evil.”

Groan. When religion becomes evil, or when extreme leftism rears its true head?
This ^^^^ could have been summed up in a link or two. :rolleyes:
 
"Drinking the Kool-Aid" has always been an expression to describe the left, progressives, liberals, and Democrats.

Because of their lack of imagination and the inability to come up with a better expression, they've often tried to associate conservatives, Republicans and Trump-supporters with that phrase.

That just goes to show the left can't meme for shit.
No, it shows both parties use the same tactics. :rolleyes:
 

Is Trump Hitler or Jim Jones, he can't be both.

Has Hitler become more likeable now that those on the Left have declared jihad on the Hebrew state? Is this why you have switched to calling Trump Jim Jones? Just know that Jim Jones was a Left wing loon himself as he broke from the church because it was not "progressive" enough and inclusive enough for him.

Here is the truth about him


Yet the Jonestown massacre itself is only dimly known to contemporary Americans, and the details of the event are often ignored by news and academia. It is, after all, an inconvenient story, in which a Communist community, led by a committed Marxist and ’60s Bay Area radical, came to a horrifying end.

Following the mass suicide, the mainstream media spun the story into one of religious fanaticism rather than leftist fanaticism. Had a right-winger persuaded followers to join him in retreating from society and building their own enclave, then held them prisoner and ultimately persuaded or forced them to take their own lives in some sort of revolutionary act, Jonestown would be taught more widely in schools than Abe Lincoln. Instead, when Jonestown is addressed, the Marxism of the People’s Temple is whitewashed and the story is packaged as one of a religious cult gone awry, or as a warning against the perils of organized religion.

This deliberate obfuscation happened immediately. As a contemporaneous (1978) Accuracy in Media report made clear, “The ideology of Jonestown was communism, not Christianity, but the media have obscured rather than explained that fact.”

AIM explained, “Our media have concealed, misrepresented, or downplayed the key element in the philosophy of Jim Jones,” rightly noting that Jones was, contrary to the misleading media reports, “a long-time dedicated Marxist communist who admired totalitarian communist dictatorships such as the Soviet Union and Cuba so much that he built one of his own in Guyana.”

Even weeks after the event, AIM found there was not a single article in the mainstream press that delved into Jones’s Marxist beliefs and connections. Instead, despite his views and his well-known admiration for Castro’s Cuba and the Soviet Union, reporters went out of their way to avoid labeling Jones a Communist. Some in the media, such as Walter Cronkite, even reported on Jones as a “fascist” — any “ist” as long as it wasn’t a Communist.

Yet Marxist he was, and so was his group. Jonestown life was nearly identical to that in Communist nations: Inhabitants were essentially prisoners (prohibited from leaving the settlement and punished if caught trying to leave); no private ownership of any goods was allowed; no communication with the outside world was allowed; hard labor in the fields was mandatory, as was attendance at Jones’s lengthy, Castro-like sermons; armed henchmen spied on and intimidated others who dared step out of line or complain; family structures were deliberately destroyed, with Jones encouraging adultery or assigning husbands and wives to separate living quarters; residents were poorly fed and overworked, while Jones himself lived in luxury; and, of course, in keeping with Jonestown’s Marxism, there was almost no religious observance, making the media’s description of Jonestown cultists as religious fanatics, over more than 30 years, all the more dishonest.

As for the enigmatic Reverend Jim Jones, who was he? The Indiana-born Jones, a former community organizer, was a committed Marxist since at least the age of 18. (His idol was Mao Tse-tung.) He believed himself to be the reincarnation of Lenin and dreamed of a socialist America. Jones began attending Communist-party meetings in 1951 and was soon a full-fledged radical.

An atheist, Jones cleverly realized, quite early on, that religion could serve as a vehicle to attract followers to his social-justice views and his “church.” Masquerading as a Christian preacher, he ultimately founded the People’s Temple, which grew substantially thanks to followers’ donations. Jones would later readily admit that he asked himself what would be the best method to spread Marxism and decided on doing so by infiltrating Christians and preaching Marxism disguised as religion. In a 1977 New York Times interview, his wife reportedly admitted that Jones was promoting Marxism by mobilizing people via religion, and that he referred to the Bible as a paper idol he must destroy.

A decade after starting The People’s Temple in Indiana in the 1950’s, Jones moved camp to the greener pastures of San Francisco, where he found himself surrounded by fellow radicals such as Harvey Milk, who heaped praise on him and his work. Jones’s leftist views fit right in among the Bay Area glitterati. But upon learning that an upcoming press article was about to report on allegations by former Temple members that they had been emotionally, mentally, and physically abused (the bisexual Jones reportedly even sodomized some followers), the organization fled to Guyana in the summer of 1977, establishing its community abroad, away from prying eyes. Jonestown was comprised largely of committed leftists, many of whom were drawn, for one reason or another, to Jones’s railings against rampant racism, social injustice, and income equality. A few months later, Jones even visited Cuba specifically to meet with notorious Black Panther Huey Newton, returning with nothing but praise for the Communist island.
Lest there be any doubt about Jones’s political views and those of his fellow Jonestown residents, he once boasted: “I believe we’re the purest Communists there are.” When a Soviet diplomat visited Jonestown, Jones gushed: “Thank you, comrade. For many years, we have let our sympathies be quite publicly known, that the United States government was not our mother but that the Soviet Union was our spiritual motherland.”

This was not a church — this was a Communist organization.

The new settlement chugged along for over a year, but cracks began to emerge, particularly as it became harder for Jones to conceal his drug addiction.
Then, in November 1978, Representative Leo Ryan, a Bay Area Democrat, led a fact-finding trip to Jonestown in order to investigate allegations of human-rights abuses. The group included concerned relatives of Jonestown members, an NBC camera crew, and several reporters.

Ryan never returned, nor did four others of his team. They were gunned down at the airstrip when attempting to leave.

Later that day, Jones realized the People’s Church was finished and ordered his followers to end their lives. Cyanide was administered in cups of Flavor-Aid (similar to Kool-Aid) in an act of “revolutionary suicide.” More than 900 Jonestown residents, 303 of them children, perished, their bodies found in and around the pavilion. (Jones died via a self-inflicted gunshot.)


The tragedy is a stain on liberalism, not only because it showed the extremes of left-wing ideology but also because it could have been averted, had it not been for the Bay Area radicals who fawned over Jones. As FrontPage Magazine noted in a 2008 article:



San Francisco heavy-hitters Dianne Feinstein, George Moscone, Harvey Milk, and Willie Brown all supported Jones, with Milk lobbying on his behalf even after he and his followers had fled to the jungles of Guyana.

Precisely due to the clear Marxist ideology of The People’s Church, as well as San Francisco liberal leaders’ support of Jones, the key element of the Jonestown tragedy was brushed under the rug. A story of left-wing extremism instead became a watered-down, politically correct warning about the dangers of organized religion, as is the case in this CNN article that lists Jones as an example of “When religious beliefs become evil.”

Groan. When religion becomes evil, or when extreme leftism rears its true head?
trump has aspects of both cult leaders.

jackie spier, left for dead on a south american runway by jones, has some experience.
 

Is Trump Hitler or Jim Jones, he can't be both.

Has Hitler become more likeable now that those on the Left have declared jihad on the Hebrew state? Is this why you have switched to calling Trump Jim Jones? Just know that Jim Jones was a Left wing loon himself as he broke from the church because it was not "progressive" enough and inclusive enough for him.

Here is the truth about him


Yet the Jonestown massacre itself is only dimly known to contemporary Americans, and the details of the event are often ignored by news and academia. It is, after all, an inconvenient story, in which a Communist community, led by a committed Marxist and ’60s Bay Area radical, came to a horrifying end.

Following the mass suicide, the mainstream media spun the story into one of religious fanaticism rather than leftist fanaticism. Had a right-winger persuaded followers to join him in retreating from society and building their own enclave, then held them prisoner and ultimately persuaded or forced them to take their own lives in some sort of revolutionary act, Jonestown would be taught more widely in schools than Abe Lincoln. Instead, when Jonestown is addressed, the Marxism of the People’s Temple is whitewashed and the story is packaged as one of a religious cult gone awry, or as a warning against the perils of organized religion.

This deliberate obfuscation happened immediately. As a contemporaneous (1978) Accuracy in Media report made clear, “The ideology of Jonestown was communism, not Christianity, but the media have obscured rather than explained that fact.”

AIM explained, “Our media have concealed, misrepresented, or downplayed the key element in the philosophy of Jim Jones,” rightly noting that Jones was, contrary to the misleading media reports, “a long-time dedicated Marxist communist who admired totalitarian communist dictatorships such as the Soviet Union and Cuba so much that he built one of his own in Guyana.”

Even weeks after the event, AIM found there was not a single article in the mainstream press that delved into Jones’s Marxist beliefs and connections. Instead, despite his views and his well-known admiration for Castro’s Cuba and the Soviet Union, reporters went out of their way to avoid labeling Jones a Communist. Some in the media, such as Walter Cronkite, even reported on Jones as a “fascist” — any “ist” as long as it wasn’t a Communist.

Yet Marxist he was, and so was his group. Jonestown life was nearly identical to that in Communist nations: Inhabitants were essentially prisoners (prohibited from leaving the settlement and punished if caught trying to leave); no private ownership of any goods was allowed; no communication with the outside world was allowed; hard labor in the fields was mandatory, as was attendance at Jones’s lengthy, Castro-like sermons; armed henchmen spied on and intimidated others who dared step out of line or complain; family structures were deliberately destroyed, with Jones encouraging adultery or assigning husbands and wives to separate living quarters; residents were poorly fed and overworked, while Jones himself lived in luxury; and, of course, in keeping with Jonestown’s Marxism, there was almost no religious observance, making the media’s description of Jonestown cultists as religious fanatics, over more than 30 years, all the more dishonest.

As for the enigmatic Reverend Jim Jones, who was he? The Indiana-born Jones, a former community organizer, was a committed Marxist since at least the age of 18. (His idol was Mao Tse-tung.) He believed himself to be the reincarnation of Lenin and dreamed of a socialist America. Jones began attending Communist-party meetings in 1951 and was soon a full-fledged radical.

An atheist, Jones cleverly realized, quite early on, that religion could serve as a vehicle to attract followers to his social-justice views and his “church.” Masquerading as a Christian preacher, he ultimately founded the People’s Temple, which grew substantially thanks to followers’ donations. Jones would later readily admit that he asked himself what would be the best method to spread Marxism and decided on doing so by infiltrating Christians and preaching Marxism disguised as religion. In a 1977 New York Times interview, his wife reportedly admitted that Jones was promoting Marxism by mobilizing people via religion, and that he referred to the Bible as a paper idol he must destroy.

A decade after starting The People’s Temple in Indiana in the 1950’s, Jones moved camp to the greener pastures of San Francisco, where he found himself surrounded by fellow radicals such as Harvey Milk, who heaped praise on him and his work. Jones’s leftist views fit right in among the Bay Area glitterati. But upon learning that an upcoming press article was about to report on allegations by former Temple members that they had been emotionally, mentally, and physically abused (the bisexual Jones reportedly even sodomized some followers), the organization fled to Guyana in the summer of 1977, establishing its community abroad, away from prying eyes. Jonestown was comprised largely of committed leftists, many of whom were drawn, for one reason or another, to Jones’s railings against rampant racism, social injustice, and income equality. A few months later, Jones even visited Cuba specifically to meet with notorious Black Panther Huey Newton, returning with nothing but praise for the Communist island.
Lest there be any doubt about Jones’s political views and those of his fellow Jonestown residents, he once boasted: “I believe we’re the purest Communists there are.” When a Soviet diplomat visited Jonestown, Jones gushed: “Thank you, comrade. For many years, we have let our sympathies be quite publicly known, that the United States government was not our mother but that the Soviet Union was our spiritual motherland.”

This was not a church — this was a Communist organization.

The new settlement chugged along for over a year, but cracks began to emerge, particularly as it became harder for Jones to conceal his drug addiction.
Then, in November 1978, Representative Leo Ryan, a Bay Area Democrat, led a fact-finding trip to Jonestown in order to investigate allegations of human-rights abuses. The group included concerned relatives of Jonestown members, an NBC camera crew, and several reporters.

Ryan never returned, nor did four others of his team. They were gunned down at the airstrip when attempting to leave.

Later that day, Jones realized the People’s Church was finished and ordered his followers to end their lives. Cyanide was administered in cups of Flavor-Aid (similar to Kool-Aid) in an act of “revolutionary suicide.” More than 900 Jonestown residents, 303 of them children, perished, their bodies found in and around the pavilion. (Jones died via a self-inflicted gunshot.)


The tragedy is a stain on liberalism, not only because it showed the extremes of left-wing ideology but also because it could have been averted, had it not been for the Bay Area radicals who fawned over Jones. As FrontPage Magazine noted in a 2008 article:



San Francisco heavy-hitters Dianne Feinstein, George Moscone, Harvey Milk, and Willie Brown all supported Jones, with Milk lobbying on his behalf even after he and his followers had fled to the jungles of Guyana.

Precisely due to the clear Marxist ideology of The People’s Church, as well as San Francisco liberal leaders’ support of Jones, the key element of the Jonestown tragedy was brushed under the rug. A story of left-wing extremism instead became a watered-down, politically correct warning about the dangers of organized religion, as is the case in this CNN article that lists Jones as an example of “When religious beliefs become evil.”

Groan. When religion becomes evil, or when extreme leftism rears its true head?
Worry about your own talking points. Why should anyone take the word of a supporter of a convicted felon?

#DISTRACTION
 
Worry about your own talking points. Why should anyone take the word of a supporter of a convicted felon?

#DISTRACTION
I remain unimpressed with the bad bookkeeping charges. For anyone else, it would have been a misdemeanor.

Additionally, for the sake of argument let's say Trump paid his whore to keep quiet to try and win an election. Compare that to Bill Clinton who had sex with his intern. She was just a kid who worked for him, so he took advantage of her. Then he lied about it to try and win an election as he perjured himself to do it. Both men had sex with people they should have had and both men tried to keep it quiet to win an election. The only difference is, Bill used his power as the girl's boss to manipulate her into having sex.

Or take those in Congress who paid women off women over the years for sexual assault using taxpayer funds. They are the worst of the worst, because they did not have the consent of the women and they used taxpayer funds to do it, to the tune of around $17 million.

Time and again, as bad as Trump may be, the Swamp is far worse and the more we let them get away with this crap the worse they become. In addition, the Left has weaponized the justice system to oppress their political rivals like never before

And yes, after all that with Bill Clinton, he was still elected again.

LOL.

And what of Tara Reid who also worked for Joe Biden as a staffer and said she was sexually assaulted?

You people are sick.
 
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There is a reason Jim Jones targeted dems. They are natural cultist
I would say that Marxism lends itself to cultism.

You essentially have the main world view or philosophy that is based on atheism. There is really nothing comparable. If God does not exist, then the state assumes the role as savior, as someone to deal out social justice. Why? Because like the Bible states, we are all sheep and we know it, so we must choose a good shepherd to protect us from the myriad of wolves out there.

Yet despite the horrific track record of Marxism, murdering hundreds of millions of people last century, the cult thrives today like never before as people insist that that good shepherd is still out their somewhere to save us all. And even though we all know that Jim Jones was one of them, his world views are still espoused 24/7 in governments all around the world.
 
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Is Trump Hitler or Jim Jones, he can't be both.

Has Hitler become more likeable now that those on the Left have declared jihad on the Hebrew state? Is this why you have switched to calling Trump Jim Jones? Just know that Jim Jones was a Left wing loon himself as he broke from the church because it was not "progressive" enough and inclusive enough for him.

Here is the truth about him


Yet the Jonestown massacre itself is only dimly known to contemporary Americans, and the details of the event are often ignored by news and academia. It is, after all, an inconvenient story, in which a Communist community, led by a committed Marxist and ’60s Bay Area radical, came to a horrifying end.

Following the mass suicide, the mainstream media spun the story into one of religious fanaticism rather than leftist fanaticism. Had a right-winger persuaded followers to join him in retreating from society and building their own enclave, then held them prisoner and ultimately persuaded or forced them to take their own lives in some sort of revolutionary act, Jonestown would be taught more widely in schools than Abe Lincoln. Instead, when Jonestown is addressed, the Marxism of the People’s Temple is whitewashed and the story is packaged as one of a religious cult gone awry, or as a warning against the perils of organized religion.

This deliberate obfuscation happened immediately. As a contemporaneous (1978) Accuracy in Media report made clear, “The ideology of Jonestown was communism, not Christianity, but the media have obscured rather than explained that fact.”

AIM explained, “Our media have concealed, misrepresented, or downplayed the key element in the philosophy of Jim Jones,” rightly noting that Jones was, contrary to the misleading media reports, “a long-time dedicated Marxist communist who admired totalitarian communist dictatorships such as the Soviet Union and Cuba so much that he built one of his own in Guyana.”

Even weeks after the event, AIM found there was not a single article in the mainstream press that delved into Jones’s Marxist beliefs and connections. Instead, despite his views and his well-known admiration for Castro’s Cuba and the Soviet Union, reporters went out of their way to avoid labeling Jones a Communist. Some in the media, such as Walter Cronkite, even reported on Jones as a “fascist” — any “ist” as long as it wasn’t a Communist.

Yet Marxist he was, and so was his group. Jonestown life was nearly identical to that in Communist nations: Inhabitants were essentially prisoners (prohibited from leaving the settlement and punished if caught trying to leave); no private ownership of any goods was allowed; no communication with the outside world was allowed; hard labor in the fields was mandatory, as was attendance at Jones’s lengthy, Castro-like sermons; armed henchmen spied on and intimidated others who dared step out of line or complain; family structures were deliberately destroyed, with Jones encouraging adultery or assigning husbands and wives to separate living quarters; residents were poorly fed and overworked, while Jones himself lived in luxury; and, of course, in keeping with Jonestown’s Marxism, there was almost no religious observance, making the media’s description of Jonestown cultists as religious fanatics, over more than 30 years, all the more dishonest.

As for the enigmatic Reverend Jim Jones, who was he? The Indiana-born Jones, a former community organizer, was a committed Marxist since at least the age of 18. (His idol was Mao Tse-tung.) He believed himself to be the reincarnation of Lenin and dreamed of a socialist America. Jones began attending Communist-party meetings in 1951 and was soon a full-fledged radical.

An atheist, Jones cleverly realized, quite early on, that religion could serve as a vehicle to attract followers to his social-justice views and his “church.” Masquerading as a Christian preacher, he ultimately founded the People’s Temple, which grew substantially thanks to followers’ donations. Jones would later readily admit that he asked himself what would be the best method to spread Marxism and decided on doing so by infiltrating Christians and preaching Marxism disguised as religion. In a 1977 New York Times interview, his wife reportedly admitted that Jones was promoting Marxism by mobilizing people via religion, and that he referred to the Bible as a paper idol he must destroy.

A decade after starting The People’s Temple in Indiana in the 1950’s, Jones moved camp to the greener pastures of San Francisco, where he found himself surrounded by fellow radicals such as Harvey Milk, who heaped praise on him and his work. Jones’s leftist views fit right in among the Bay Area glitterati. But upon learning that an upcoming press article was about to report on allegations by former Temple members that they had been emotionally, mentally, and physically abused (the bisexual Jones reportedly even sodomized some followers), the organization fled to Guyana in the summer of 1977, establishing its community abroad, away from prying eyes. Jonestown was comprised largely of committed leftists, many of whom were drawn, for one reason or another, to Jones’s railings against rampant racism, social injustice, and income equality. A few months later, Jones even visited Cuba specifically to meet with notorious Black Panther Huey Newton, returning with nothing but praise for the Communist island.
Lest there be any doubt about Jones’s political views and those of his fellow Jonestown residents, he once boasted: “I believe we’re the purest Communists there are.” When a Soviet diplomat visited Jonestown, Jones gushed: “Thank you, comrade. For many years, we have let our sympathies be quite publicly known, that the United States government was not our mother but that the Soviet Union was our spiritual motherland.”

This was not a church — this was a Communist organization.

The new settlement chugged along for over a year, but cracks began to emerge, particularly as it became harder for Jones to conceal his drug addiction.
Then, in November 1978, Representative Leo Ryan, a Bay Area Democrat, led a fact-finding trip to Jonestown in order to investigate allegations of human-rights abuses. The group included concerned relatives of Jonestown members, an NBC camera crew, and several reporters.

Ryan never returned, nor did four others of his team. They were gunned down at the airstrip when attempting to leave.

Later that day, Jones realized the People’s Church was finished and ordered his followers to end their lives. Cyanide was administered in cups of Flavor-Aid (similar to Kool-Aid) in an act of “revolutionary suicide.” More than 900 Jonestown residents, 303 of them children, perished, their bodies found in and around the pavilion. (Jones died via a self-inflicted gunshot.)


The tragedy is a stain on liberalism, not only because it showed the extremes of left-wing ideology but also because it could have been averted, had it not been for the Bay Area radicals who fawned over Jones. As FrontPage Magazine noted in a 2008 article:



San Francisco heavy-hitters Dianne Feinstein, George Moscone, Harvey Milk, and Willie Brown all supported Jones, with Milk lobbying on his behalf even after he and his followers had fled to the jungles of Guyana.

Precisely due to the clear Marxist ideology of The People’s Church, as well as San Francisco liberal leaders’ support of Jones, the key element of the Jonestown tragedy was brushed under the rug. A story of left-wing extremism instead became a watered-down, politically correct warning about the dangers of organized religion, as is the case in this CNN article that lists Jones as an example of “When religious beliefs become evil.”

Groan. When religion becomes evil, or when extreme leftism rears its true head?
The best thing that Trump could do in the debates is to be civil and look normal while Biden goes unhinged telling Americans that Trump is Hitler, is a convicted felon, and will take democracy away.
 
In other words you expect role reversal?! :rolleyes-41:

#DESPERATION
I expect that Biden will be pushing the convicted felon/Trump will take democracy away theme. After all, he has nothing else to run on. The best case he can lay out is, "Yes, I'm really bad but if you elect Trump it will much worse". That's all he's got. I wouldn't make any bets as to what Trump's theme will be in the debate. He is virtually unpredictable. My hope is that he will be calm and let Biden be the unhinged lunatic. Trump needs to play Ronald Reagan.




 
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Hitler was an archetype of the AC. I've heard many claim orange man is the AC. However, the AC is loved by most of the world and won't be revealed until he claims he is God in the newly built temple. The scripture references the AC in Daniel 11:37.

The closet recent president who had no desire for women was O.

Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
 
In other words you expect role reversal?! :rolleyes-41:

#DESPERATION
Joe is going to look as normal as he can. Spending a week getting ready for this!!! It would be funny if it was not real. The cost of things have risen. Those affected that keep voting for this are stupid. And we have many stupid's. When you kill each other, you can taste the vengeance. The blood dripping and the family members in agony is precious. Progs are masochists. And the production of entertainment in all ways will show White Christian coalitions and white Coalitions doing evil things. And that actually started at least 40 years ago. Perhaps some validity with a very small percentage of people at that time only for the time. Anyway, Joe was pro white coalition and other cultures were inferior.
 
Joe is going to look as normal as he can. Spending a week getting ready for this!!! It would be funny if it was not real. The cost of things have risen. Those affected that keep voting for this are stupid. And we have many stupid's. When you kill each other, you can taste the vengeance. The blood dripping and the family members in agony is precious. Progs are masochists. And the production of entertainment in all ways will show White Christian coalitions and white Coalitions doing evil things. And that actually started at least 40 years ago. Perhaps some validity with a very small percentage of people at that time only for the time. Anyway, Joe was pro white coalition and other cultures were inferior.
People always prepare for debates! :dunno:

#DISTRACTION
 

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