The courts should have taken on the voter fraud issue.

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Trump's hand picked AG said there was no sizable voter fraud.
All Barr had to do was issue a report of what was investigated and what the findings were.
That said, the GOP got outplayed in GA. The Consent Decree was a coup for Stacy Abrams, as well as he sister's ruling on pruning ineligible voters from the rolls.
The GOP legislatures need to tighten-up voting laws or the dems will swamp every election with bogus mail-in votes.
Nope.

Vote by mail needs to be expanded. Five states have done it for a while and there has never been anyone who claimed the elections were illegitimate and there hasn't been any greater fraud in those elections than the other 45 states. So no..
France doesn't allow mail-in voting due to voter fraud. The US needs to follow France's lead.
 

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Trump's hand picked AG said there was no sizable voter fraud.
All Barr had to do was issue a report of what was investigated and what the findings were.
That said, the GOP got outplayed in GA. The Consent Decree was a coup for Stacy Abrams, as well as he sister's ruling on pruning ineligible voters from the rolls.
The GOP legislatures need to tighten-up voting laws or the dems will swamp every election with bogus mail-in votes.
Save us the conspiracy nonsense. You sound like one of the few Trumpers struggling to find truth in all this and you end up with watered down QAnon shit anyway.

Barr appointed Durham well before the election to help Trump get re-elected. Many at the time had such respect for Durham that they were shocked that Durham would become involved in such an endeavor.

Well Durham actually did do an investigation. A real one. And found nothing. That left Barr with nothing.

Stacey Abrams? Huh? She did a strong get out the vote program. There was noting nefarious about that

And her sister? Are you saying that judges can't rule on cases in which anyone they are at all close to have any involvement?

So that means that Justice Thomas must recuse from any case regarding abortion since his wife is so heavily involved in the anti-abortion movement. Do you think that's gonna happen?
1. How do you know Durham found nothing? Why do you think Barr gave him Special Prosecutor status if there was no progress?
2. Agreed, Stacy Abrams kicked the GA GOP's ass.
3. Just sayin', postal change of address should be proof of residence, or not. Its not a recusal I was looking for, just questioning the decision.
 

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Trump's hand picked AG said there was no sizable voter fraud.
All Barr had to do was issue a report of what was investigated and what the findings were.
That said, the GOP got outplayed in GA. The Consent Decree was a coup for Stacy Abrams, as well as he sister's ruling on pruning ineligible voters from the rolls.
The GOP legislatures need to tighten-up voting laws or the dems will swamp every election with bogus mail-in votes.
Nope.

Vote by mail needs to be expanded. Five states have done it for a while and there has never been anyone who claimed the elections were illegitimate and there hasn't been any greater fraud in those elections than the other 45 states. So no..
France doesn't allow mail-in voting due to voter fraud. The US needs to follow France's lead.
We have had mail in voting for decades. In fact in states like Florida, Republicans predominantly vote that way

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE ONLY WAY THAT THE MILITARY CAN vote.

And you want to end that?

You aren't being honest or serious
 

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Trump's hand picked AG said there was no sizable voter fraud.
All Barr had to do was issue a report of what was investigated and what the findings were.
That said, the GOP got outplayed in GA. The Consent Decree was a coup for Stacy Abrams, as well as he sister's ruling on pruning ineligible voters from the rolls.
The GOP legislatures need to tighten-up voting laws or the dems will swamp every election with bogus mail-in votes.
Nope.

Vote by mail needs to be expanded. Five states have done it for a while and there has never been anyone who claimed the elections were illegitimate and there hasn't been any greater fraud in those elections than the other 45 states. So no..
France doesn't allow mail-in voting due to voter fraud. The US needs to follow France's lead.
We have had mail in voting for decades. In fact in states like Florida, Republicans predominantly vote that way

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE ONLY WAY THAT THE MILITARY CAN vote.

And you want to end that?

You aren't being honest or serious
Perhaps rules need to be instituted. The military is a given. Senior citizens as an option. Those disabled with proof of not being ambulatory as another.
 

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Trump's hand picked AG said there was no sizable voter fraud.
All Barr had to do was issue a report of what was investigated and what the findings were.
That said, the GOP got outplayed in GA. The Consent Decree was a coup for Stacy Abrams, as well as he sister's ruling on pruning ineligible voters from the rolls.
The GOP legislatures need to tighten-up voting laws or the dems will swamp every election with bogus mail-in votes.
Nope.

Vote by mail needs to be expanded. Five states have done it for a while and there has never been anyone who claimed the elections were illegitimate and there hasn't been any greater fraud in those elections than the other 45 states. So no..
France doesn't allow mail-in voting due to voter fraud. The US needs to follow France's lead.
We have had mail in voting for decades. In fact in states like Florida, Republicans predominantly vote that way

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE ONLY WAY THAT THE MILITARY CAN vote.

And you want to end that?

You aren't being honest or serious
I'm okay with "absentee voting" when a real voter requests a ballot and provides a real reason that they can't vote in-person, along with signature matching.
 

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The courts should NOT have dismissed the voter fraud cases. They should have allowed them to approach the courts and with transparency show the American people it was either a concern or invalid.

They should have done this knowing if they did not, the nation would remain divided forever.

But perhaps this is what they really wanted all along.

And God forbid any of it might have gone Trumps way. That would have been unacceptable.
In spite of efforts my the mainsleaze media to suppress it, there is content all over the smaller, but less censored media, showing what appear to be many diverse instances of what undeniably constitute serious irregularities in the election process. It would be a rather extreme stretch to deny that if these irregularities are as presented, that they constitute anything but outright cheating.

In rejecting attempts to litigate over these irregularities, I don't think one court ever addressed any of this evidence itself; or made any attempt to determine whether an of it is genuine or legitimate. They all cited various jurisdictional and technical issues in rejecting the cases, which had nothing to do with the actual merits of any case. I think I even faintly remember reading of one judge rejecting the case on the basis that a ruling the “wrong” way might lead to rioting and violence from the side that doesn't favor such a ruling.

So we are left with what appears to be a widespread pattern of cheating, and an apparent collusion of deliberate nonfeasance on the part of the courts in refusing to do their job in addressing this pattern.

So, what are any of us to think with regard to the legitimacy of this last election? Maybe what appears to be cheating isn't really, and would have been properly shown to be legitimate, under proper examination, or perhaps even show to have been fabricated. Maybe cheating would have been confirmed, but shown not to be enough to change the outcome of the election. Or perhaps cheating would have been confirmed, and shown to have changed the outcome.

In any event, we probably won't ever know. But the pattern of censorship by the media, and of nonfeasance by the courts, is certainly very suspicious, beyond the degree to which the direct evidence itself of cheating is.
 

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1. How do you know Durham found nothing? Why do you think Barr gave him Special Prosecutor status if there was no progress?
If Durham had found anything why would Barr not have released it? Surely you're not claiming Barr was some Dem plant.

Barr gave him Special Prosecutor status so that he could expand his investigation in order to search other areas to find "something". He found nothing even then.

And note...Durham's "second in command" resigned in the fall because of pressure to gin "something" up.
 
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The courts should NOT have dismissed the voter fraud cases. They should have allowed them to approach the courts and with transparency show the American people it was either a concern or invalid.

They should have done this knowing if they did not, the nation would remain divided forever.

But perhaps this is what they really wanted all along.

And God forbid any of it might have gone Trumps way. That would have been unacceptable.
Oh silly one, the courts did take it on...

You just are listening to fake news...

And your FAKE media, counted on you believing what they were saying, and not actually read all the court cases and what and why the judges ruled t h e way they did...

The State and federal courts didn't just say out of the clear blue, a case didn't have standing, or dismissed or denied....everything submitted was reviewed, state constitutions and election laws were reviewed, evidence presented was reviewed, all before the judges came to their rulings and they explained thoroughly why they ruled the way they did....
I reckon it all comes down to what media sources you want to believe.

Do you believe the ones that spouted Trump was a Putin puppet for the last 4 years with a full investigation that resulted in nothing, or do you believe the ones that said there was voter fraud, for which no one will investigate?

But then, now that news sources are being censored, now everyone only has your news sources, so now maybe everyone will start to believe the same thing.

In fact, I bet you still believe Trump is a Putin spy, don't you.
Probably not. Trump is not smart enough to be a Russian asset. Putin wouldn't trust him not to shoot off his mouth if he needed an attention fix.
It was strange, she thought, to obtain news by means of nothing but denials, as if existence had ceased, facts had vanished and only the frantic negatives uttered by officials and columnists gave any clue to the reality they were denying.

Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand, 1957

People from the past saw this coming.

Just read 1984 and you would think it was today.
Rand lived in a fantasy world of her own making. Do you?
Apparently anyone who thinks differently than the DNC does live in a fantasy world.

Much like the former USSR would send their political opponents away to a mental facility.

Naturally, your type of hate speech only tries to foment violence.
 

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Trump's hand picked AG said there was no sizable voter fraud.
All Barr had to do was issue a report of what was investigated and what the findings were.
That said, the GOP got outplayed in GA. The Consent Decree was a coup for Stacy Abrams, as well as he sister's ruling on pruning ineligible voters from the rolls.
The GOP legislatures need to tighten-up voting laws or the dems will swamp every election with bogus mail-in votes.
Nope.

Vote by mail needs to be expanded. Five states have done it for a while and there has never been anyone who claimed the elections were illegitimate and there hasn't been any greater fraud in those elections than the other 45 states. So no..
France doesn't allow mail-in voting due to voter fraud. The US needs to follow France's lead.
We have had mail in voting for decades. In fact in states like Florida, Republicans predominantly vote that way

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE ONLY WAY THAT THE MILITARY CAN vote.

And you want to end that?

You aren't being honest or serious
I'm okay with "absentee voting" when a real voter requests a ballot and provides a real reason that they can't vote in-person, along with signature matching.
There is that argument. I don't agree for a number of reasons that I won't get into right now. BUT...most of the states you folks are complaining about did not have that system
 

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Much like the former USSR would send their political opponents away to a mental facility.
Not "much like" that at all. In fact nothing like that

Virtually all of what you people are going on about is QAnon batshit crazy garbage.

The "sanest" claims you have are the "Deep State" nonsense...which is batcrap to begin with. It gets worse from there and it's all fueled by Facebook type clickbait.
 

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1. How do you know Durham found nothing? Why do you think Barr gave him Special Prosecutor status if there was no progress?
If Durham had found anything why would Barr not have released it? Surely you're not claiming Barr was some Dem plant.

Barr gave him Special Prosecutor status so that he could expand his investigation in order to search other areas to find "something". He found nothing even then.

And note...Durham's "second in command" resigned in the fall because of pressure to gin "something" up.
You may be right. Until Durham issues a report, indictments, or folds his tent I have no idea what he's doing.
Trump declassified some stuff for a grand jury, that's the last I heard of Durham...
 

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Many of the cases WERE HEARD, you've been gas lit, like usual Cult.
 

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Rand lived in a fantasy world of her own making. Do you?
Apparently anyone who thinks differently than the DNC does live in a fantasy world.

Much like the former USSR would send their political opponents away to a mental facility.

Naturally, your type of hate speech only tries to foment violence.
Rand wrote about a 2 dimensional world of makers and takers. The real world is a complicated tapistry with every color present. Everyone is a maker AND a taker at different stages of their lives.
 

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The courts should NOT have dismissed the voter fraud cases. They should have allowed them to approach the courts and with transparency show the American people it was either a concern or invalid.

They should have done this knowing if they did not, the nation would remain divided forever.

But perhaps this is what they really wanted all along.

And God forbid any of it might have gone Trumps way. That would have been unacceptable.
They looked at your "evidence" of voter fraud and 60 times they laughed it out of court.
 

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Trump's hand picked AG said there was no sizable voter fraud.
All Barr had to do was issue a report of what was investigated and what the findings were.
That said, the GOP got outplayed in GA. The Consent Decree was a coup for Stacy Abrams, as well as he sister's ruling on pruning ineligible voters from the rolls.
The GOP legislatures need to tighten-up voting laws or the dems will swamp every election with bogus mail-in votes.
Nope.

Vote by mail needs to be expanded. Five states have done it for a while and there has never been anyone who claimed the elections were illegitimate and there hasn't been any greater fraud in those elections than the other 45 states. So no..
France doesn't allow mail-in voting due to voter fraud. The US needs to follow France's lead.
We have had mail in voting for decades. In fact in states like Florida, Republicans predominantly vote that way

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE ONLY WAY THAT THE MILITARY CAN vote.

And you want to end that?

You aren't being honest or serious
Perhaps rules need to be instituted. The military is a given. Senior citizens as an option. Those disabled with proof of not being ambulatory as another.
The constitution of the United states dictates it is up to the states to run their own elections with their own rules, NOT the federal govt, or another State making the rules for them.
 

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The courts should NOT have dismissed the voter fraud cases. They should have allowed them to approach the courts and with transparency show the American people it was either a concern or invalid.

They should have done this knowing if they did not, the nation would remain divided forever.

But perhaps this is what they really wanted all along.

And God forbid any of it might have gone Trumps way. That would have been unacceptable.
ummmm, what of 0 4 60 escaped your attention? Seriously. JFC
 

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The courts should NOT have dismissed the voter fraud cases. They should have allowed them to approach the courts and with transparency show the American people it was either a concern or invalid.

They should have done this knowing if they did not, the nation would remain divided forever.

But perhaps this is what they really wanted all along.

And God forbid any of it might have gone Trumps way. That would have been unacceptable.
Agreed.

The courts should have ignored the fact that there was no objective, documented evidence in support of ‘fraud’ and simply taken Trump’s lawyers’ word for it – scout’s honor.
How do you know what the evidence is if you refuse to hear it?
No one refused any evidence of voter fraud in the courts, there just was NO EVIDENCE presented to the courts on voter fraud.
If a judge dismisses a case he still hears the evidence? Since when?
That's how the judge knows when to dismiss cases.... each side presents a summary of what they got....then the judge decides if the case moves forward or dismissed for various reasons.

The judge can not make the decision to dismiss without review of the case and evidence presented.

They just don't simply say "dismissed", the judges give a summary of WHY the cases and evidence was rejected.
Ok, where can average people review these summaries?
PACER is the official U.S. site, they charge for downloading/printing copies of the documents but it's not a lot, I think maybe 10 cents a page.
Public Access to Court Electronic Records (PACER)

This site is free but there have been cases I've been unable to locate nonetheless I'd start here first, search on the information you have and if you still can't find it, then you can use the paid site:
Leagle Case Search

There is also LexisNexis for they are a bit pricey in my opinion and you might have to work in certain industries in order to get access to their databases, but I could be wrong about that last bit:
Welcome to LexisNexis - Choose Your Path

You can always go to the courthouse where the case was filed and get a copy of the docket & case files, even better if they have them online but that would be a lot of work since Trump et al have been rebuked, what is it, more than 70 times already?
 

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The courts should NOT have dismissed the voter fraud cases. They should have allowed them to approach the courts and with transparency show the American people it was either a concern or invalid.

They should have done this knowing if they did not, the nation would remain divided forever.

But perhaps this is what they really wanted all along.

And God forbid any of it might have gone Trumps way. That would have been unacceptable.
Haha... Which voter fraud issue should they have taken? What’s the best case you got?
 

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Trump's hand picked AG said there was no sizable voter fraud.
All Barr had to do was issue a report of what was investigated and what the findings were.
That said, the GOP got outplayed in GA. The Consent Decree was a coup for Stacy Abrams, as well as he sister's ruling on pruning ineligible voters from the rolls.
The GOP legislatures need to tighten-up voting laws or the dems will swamp every election with bogus mail-in votes.
Nope.

Vote by mail needs to be expanded. Five states have done it for a while and there has never been anyone who claimed the elections were illegitimate and there hasn't been any greater fraud in those elections than the other 45 states. So no..
France doesn't allow mail-in voting due to voter fraud. The US needs to follow France's lead.
We have had mail in voting for decades. In fact in states like Florida, Republicans predominantly vote that way

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE ONLY WAY THAT THE MILITARY CAN vote.

And you want to end that?

You aren't being honest or serious
Perhaps rules need to be instituted. The military is a given. Senior citizens as an option. Those disabled with proof of not being ambulatory as another.
As long as you also provide free public transportation along with your new rules. You do want every eligible voter to vote, don't you?
 

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Trump's hand picked AG said there was no sizable voter fraud.
All Barr had to do was issue a report of what was investigated and what the findings were.
That said, the GOP got outplayed in GA. The Consent Decree was a coup for Stacy Abrams, as well as he sister's ruling on pruning ineligible voters from the rolls.
The GOP legislatures need to tighten-up voting laws or the dems will swamp every election with bogus mail-in votes.
Nope.

Vote by mail needs to be expanded. Five states have done it for a while and there has never been anyone who claimed the elections were illegitimate and there hasn't been any greater fraud in those elections than the other 45 states. So no..
France doesn't allow mail-in voting due to voter fraud. The US needs to follow France's lead.
We have had mail in voting for decades. In fact in states like Florida, Republicans predominantly vote that way

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE ONLY WAY THAT THE MILITARY CAN vote.

And you want to end that?

You aren't being honest or serious
I'm okay with "absentee voting" when a real voter requests a ballot and provides a real reason that they can't vote in-person, along with signature matching.
You don't have to have a reason. I don't want to stand in line for hours and be exposed to the covid epidemic. Let each state decide how to run their elections.. That's lawful.

You all are beating a dead horse. Trump LOST the election by 8 million votes.
 

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