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The Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, Joe Kent, resigned this past Tuesday and in his resignation letter said there was no intelligence to prove that Iran posed an imminent threat to the U.S. which means there was no legal and moral justification for President Trump's war against Iran and Joe also added that he believed that the war was engaged in because of the powerful Israel lobby and he likewise said that he believed that America got into the 2003 Iraq war also because of the Israel lobby. I think he was spot on in both cases and I know in many circles in America it is considered antisemitic, discriminatory and utilizing racist tropes communicating like this but it isn't, it is fair and truthful to reference that in current times Jewish people have undue influence in America's government and when it comes to the subject of Israel they often have determining influence on American policy. Jewish Americans as a group are very wealthy people and they deploy their money in America's elections and they own and control a lot of media companies and a lot of pivotal jobs in America's media these are the facts and it means Jewish people are very powerful in America. The American people need to wake up and acknowledge this and commit to not letting Jewish people and their allies control public policy in America because it sure seems like they are orchestrating the United States getting into a ground war in Iran which will cost American lives and money, money America shouldn't be spending unless it is necessary and this expenditure is not necessary it needs to be remembered America is on the brink of a sovereign debt crisis that if it happens will permanently wreck the country's finances and the average American's standard of living!
On March 19, 2026, Karl Rove a key advisor to President George W. Bush wrote an editorial article in the Wall Street Journal where as one might suspect he supported Trump's War in Iran. One thing that really irked me though is that Karl said about Joe's allegation that the Israel lobby played a role in getting America into the Iraq war, "(In reality, Israel was reluctant to see the U.S. go to war against Saddam Hussein's regime)". That is totally false the Israel government was a big driver behind America going to war in Iraq in 2003. America went to war in Iraq in March of 2003 and Congress and the President enacted into law the authorization to conduct military action in Iraq in October of 2002. Around that time the Israeli government came out numerous times and said Israeli intelligence supported America and UK intelligence assessments of Iraq and weapons of mass destruction (WMD). In fact, in August of 2002 Israel Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in written messages urged President Bush to not delay in going into Iraq because the more America delays the more chemical and biological weapons Iraq will build. Also, in August of 2002 Shimon Peres Israel Foreign Minister and an extremely respected leader throughout the world because he had the reputation of supporting a fair two state solution for the Palestinian people in an interview with CNN said it is not a question of if America should go into Iraq it is only a question of when and the more America delays the more dangerous it becomes! I am not completely blaming the Jewish people for manipulating America into that war I more blame the members of Congress for not uncovering the faulty intelligence, it was gross incompetence and egregious breach of their duties as Senators and House members that was displayed. Hardened Aluminum pipes the administration said were to be used to build centrifuges, Iraq had a history of using such to build missiles of an Italian design; and yellow cake, the precursor of uranium Iraq was supposedly purchasing from Niger was based on fraudulent documents, etc.
What is going on with the Iran situation is completely inexplicable and a manipulation of the American people beyond the pale and a fair and knowledgeable person cannot help but conclude that Jewish people in America that have huge control over the media and have huge control over who will remain and get into political office in Washington because of how much money they pour into elections are behind and/or supporting this manipulation. The first shocking thing that is going on is America per the Administration and with the caveat that their rationale fluctuates said the purpose of the war was to get rid of Iran's nuclear program, get rid of their ballistic missile and drone programs and to help ordinary Iranians overthrow the theocratic military dictatorship in Iran; predictably as a result of this war Iran has closed the Strait of Hormuz from which twenty percent of the world oil travels to market the reason being to increase the cost to America and Israel because people throughout the world will be mad at these two countries for the hardship they are now enduring! The insane thing is now many people in America and in Congress are saying we have to continue the war until we open the Strait of Hormuz; it is insulting and offensive beyond words to the American people that they are to now accept that the closure of the Strait which the Administration caused is now the justification of the war, the American people need to tell them to go to hell! Wisdom says absolutely not are we going to continue this war to open the Strait we need to finish meeting the three prior rationales for the war that make sense and I submit the only mission that now makes sense is to try to get rid of the enriched uranium at the Isfahan site, you practically cannot wipe out the Iran missile and drone programs because they are in these concrete reinforced underground cities and it was always a fools errand to believe you could topple an entrenched theocratic/military dictatorship with just air power the guys with all the guns are the military and their ancillary militia - good ordinary Iranians don't stand a chance!
The only way to reliably militarily open the Strait of Hormuz is to send in ground forces into Iran around the Strait and take that ground and hold it and that will cost a lot of American soldiers lives, America is not going to eliminate all Iranian artillery that could attack these troops because Iran has too much artillery so Americans will be killed by Iranian artillery and Iran military forces have perfected how to use IED's and since American troops will be holding the ground and will need to move around they will be attacked with IEDs and Iranian citizens in and that ally with the regime hate Americans because of what they did to their country (killing over one hundred girls on the first day of the war , etc.) and for helping Israel and so they will treat it as a jihad against American forces meaning they will consider it a religious war where they will be happy to fight and die for Allah, common sense will tell you that fighting an enemy whose soldiers are in this state of religious frenzy will result in high American casualty figures. Moreover once America gets on the ground the manipulation won't stop American forces will experience a lot of dead and wounded the war hawks in America are then going to be saying do we want to do this again in ten years when the more militant Grand Ayatollah whose reputation is that he wants Iran to build a nuclear bomb actually builds one so let's replace the regime now so then the ground war will expand to include regime change in Iran with a dramatic increase in Americans deployed and for the reasons mentioned America will suffer an enormous amount of dead and wounded it will be another Iraq and we don't need another Iraq we don't need to do that to our veterans and their families aren't the current stories on Iraq veterans enough for these war hawks are they really unable to fully appreciate the human cost to our countryman and their families from such a war! American soldiers are not stupid they will figure out that this war was not for America it was for Israel and the Jewish people because toppling this Iranian regime is the last government in the Middle East that supports the use of arms to try to establish a Palestinian state in Palestine and Israeli government's history is that it isn't persuaded by diplomacy on the two state solution. American soldiers will figure out that in this war America was used at stooges for the Jewish people to kill any Just Peace for the Palestinian people specifically it permanently killed any real hope of a two state solution based on the 1967 war border with fair trade-offs, a just peace deal, not the Swiss cheese shaped Palestinian state the Israeli government offered the Palestinians in the 1990's. Most importantly American soldiers will decide for the aforementioned reasons they don't want to be one of the bad guys and they won't reenlist and incoming enlistments will drop off for the same reason and so America's enlistment will be materially harmed by this misguided war!
The other big manipulation being carried out on the American public is the pushing of the narrative that the only way to get rid of the enriched uranium at the Isfahan nuclear facility in Iran which could facilitate Iran building eleven nuclear bombs is to use U.S. ground forces and it would have to be a sizeable force and they would have to be there for at minimum weeks. Hooey, last year in June when there was public discussions about how to destroy the enriched Uranium at Isfahan experts in the media said you could do it by using bomb runs that take a big layer at a time off the mountain on each bomb run and eventually consecutive bomb runs could take out the whole mountain. This tactic should be used. They could use carpet bombing by B52's I remember seeing photos of the bomb crater from the Vietnam war where the crater was a mile wide and tens of feet deep. The country has 76 B52's today and they can carry multiple 500 and 2000 lb gravity bombs use half of the them, 38 B52's, over a course of a week they could do three runs on the Isfahan mountain from their bases in the continental U.S. that should be enough sorties in the past the U.S. air force has flown the B52's from a base in Qatar obviously if that could be arranged the mission could be accomplished much more quickly!
It has been reported that President Trump has said if the Strait of Hormuz isn't reopened in 48 hours he will begin bombing power plants in Iran. He should absolutely not do that because it is immoral and from past media reporting it is probably also illegal this largely harms civilians which need electricity to operate their residences; members of Congress need to tell the President not to do this because it will harm America's reputation and this harm will last for generations! Much has been said about the Israelis and specifically about Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu talking President Donald Trump into this war I don't think that is accurate at all Benjamin Netanyahu has culpability here I believe in not trying to talk President Trump out of the war because the war against Iran doesn't make any sense from the United States perspective because likely the hard line Islamic regime will survive the war because they are too strong and they can then rebuild whatever damage was done but Prime Minister Netanyahu was thinking about the Israeli government interests that is its reputation of getting justice which means if you kill Israelis and the Iran regime has killed many the Israeli government will hunt the perpetrators down and kill them, that is get justice! The truth of the matter what I submit the facts reveal is that President Donald Trump was looking for a big win like he always is, indulging his narcissistic side, and he thought he could force the Iran government to an agreement to end all the trouble it poses to America the nuclear bomb issue, the ballistic missile and drone production problem and the sponsor of terrorism problem; President Trump even said shortly before the war that Iran is going to agree to my terms or else. He made numerous bellicose statement - if there isn't a meaningful deal "So now we may have to take it a step further, or we may not" and "time is running out" and "we have to make a deal otherwise bad things happen" (Aljazeera). With President Trump moving two carrier groups to the Middle East and a bunch of other military assets there, the clearly prudent deduction was that it was intention to go to war against Iran and achieve the "big win deal" that way. It is also consistent with how President Trump thinks he is very clever he isn't wise but very clever he knows that the Jewish lobby and Jewish Americans are very powerful and he if comes out with a policy that helps Israel no matter how morally depraved it is they and thus all the Americans they can influence will back it (for example, his earlier plan to empty Gaza of most Palestinians and then turn it into the Riviera ignoring the moral principle that a portion of Palestine is Palestinian sovereign territory which makes it Palestinian legal and moral right to remain there).
Lastly wisdom and goodness calls for America to adopt a policy where it makes the top priority to eliminate the enriched uranium at Isfahan by bombing out of existence the mountain in which the enriched uranium is currently entombed and once that mission is accomplished permanently stop the attacks against Iran whether a cease fire agreement is reached. On the issue of the Strait of Hormuz it is more likely than not that Iran will completely reopen it because Iran wants to have good relations with its neighbors a big issue for Iran is the Palestinian state goal and almost all the Arab and Persian Gulf States are vocal backers of the two state solution if Iran keeps the Strait of Hormuz closed it hurts these allies and it could jeopardize their commitment to this goal. Moreover, there is so many options that could be taken if Iran doesn't reopen the Strait besides a war with Iran. First, you can tell Iran if you don't allow safe maritime passage through the straight you won't be able to get any of your oil tankers through the straight the U.S. Navy can apprehend the Iranian tankers and sell the oil on the open market and give the money to any of the Middle Eastern countries that have been a victim of Iran's bombing over the past three weeks, you could enlist China to use diplomatic means to lobby Iran to reopen the straight China is a critically important customer for Iran to gain China's cooperation if need be the U.S. navy could blockade the straight of Hormuz for a month every three months, you could lead the world to build a river through Oman and the United Arab Emirates to bypass the Strait of Hormuz and have pipelines and railroads built across this territory to likewise bypass the Strait. Major governments throughout the world could give sweet heart deals to energy companies to produce more oil and gas and so replace Iran's supply in the markets, etc.!
On March 19, 2026, Karl Rove a key advisor to President George W. Bush wrote an editorial article in the Wall Street Journal where as one might suspect he supported Trump's War in Iran. One thing that really irked me though is that Karl said about Joe's allegation that the Israel lobby played a role in getting America into the Iraq war, "(In reality, Israel was reluctant to see the U.S. go to war against Saddam Hussein's regime)". That is totally false the Israel government was a big driver behind America going to war in Iraq in 2003. America went to war in Iraq in March of 2003 and Congress and the President enacted into law the authorization to conduct military action in Iraq in October of 2002. Around that time the Israeli government came out numerous times and said Israeli intelligence supported America and UK intelligence assessments of Iraq and weapons of mass destruction (WMD). In fact, in August of 2002 Israel Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in written messages urged President Bush to not delay in going into Iraq because the more America delays the more chemical and biological weapons Iraq will build. Also, in August of 2002 Shimon Peres Israel Foreign Minister and an extremely respected leader throughout the world because he had the reputation of supporting a fair two state solution for the Palestinian people in an interview with CNN said it is not a question of if America should go into Iraq it is only a question of when and the more America delays the more dangerous it becomes! I am not completely blaming the Jewish people for manipulating America into that war I more blame the members of Congress for not uncovering the faulty intelligence, it was gross incompetence and egregious breach of their duties as Senators and House members that was displayed. Hardened Aluminum pipes the administration said were to be used to build centrifuges, Iraq had a history of using such to build missiles of an Italian design; and yellow cake, the precursor of uranium Iraq was supposedly purchasing from Niger was based on fraudulent documents, etc.
What is going on with the Iran situation is completely inexplicable and a manipulation of the American people beyond the pale and a fair and knowledgeable person cannot help but conclude that Jewish people in America that have huge control over the media and have huge control over who will remain and get into political office in Washington because of how much money they pour into elections are behind and/or supporting this manipulation. The first shocking thing that is going on is America per the Administration and with the caveat that their rationale fluctuates said the purpose of the war was to get rid of Iran's nuclear program, get rid of their ballistic missile and drone programs and to help ordinary Iranians overthrow the theocratic military dictatorship in Iran; predictably as a result of this war Iran has closed the Strait of Hormuz from which twenty percent of the world oil travels to market the reason being to increase the cost to America and Israel because people throughout the world will be mad at these two countries for the hardship they are now enduring! The insane thing is now many people in America and in Congress are saying we have to continue the war until we open the Strait of Hormuz; it is insulting and offensive beyond words to the American people that they are to now accept that the closure of the Strait which the Administration caused is now the justification of the war, the American people need to tell them to go to hell! Wisdom says absolutely not are we going to continue this war to open the Strait we need to finish meeting the three prior rationales for the war that make sense and I submit the only mission that now makes sense is to try to get rid of the enriched uranium at the Isfahan site, you practically cannot wipe out the Iran missile and drone programs because they are in these concrete reinforced underground cities and it was always a fools errand to believe you could topple an entrenched theocratic/military dictatorship with just air power the guys with all the guns are the military and their ancillary militia - good ordinary Iranians don't stand a chance!
The only way to reliably militarily open the Strait of Hormuz is to send in ground forces into Iran around the Strait and take that ground and hold it and that will cost a lot of American soldiers lives, America is not going to eliminate all Iranian artillery that could attack these troops because Iran has too much artillery so Americans will be killed by Iranian artillery and Iran military forces have perfected how to use IED's and since American troops will be holding the ground and will need to move around they will be attacked with IEDs and Iranian citizens in and that ally with the regime hate Americans because of what they did to their country (killing over one hundred girls on the first day of the war , etc.) and for helping Israel and so they will treat it as a jihad against American forces meaning they will consider it a religious war where they will be happy to fight and die for Allah, common sense will tell you that fighting an enemy whose soldiers are in this state of religious frenzy will result in high American casualty figures. Moreover once America gets on the ground the manipulation won't stop American forces will experience a lot of dead and wounded the war hawks in America are then going to be saying do we want to do this again in ten years when the more militant Grand Ayatollah whose reputation is that he wants Iran to build a nuclear bomb actually builds one so let's replace the regime now so then the ground war will expand to include regime change in Iran with a dramatic increase in Americans deployed and for the reasons mentioned America will suffer an enormous amount of dead and wounded it will be another Iraq and we don't need another Iraq we don't need to do that to our veterans and their families aren't the current stories on Iraq veterans enough for these war hawks are they really unable to fully appreciate the human cost to our countryman and their families from such a war! American soldiers are not stupid they will figure out that this war was not for America it was for Israel and the Jewish people because toppling this Iranian regime is the last government in the Middle East that supports the use of arms to try to establish a Palestinian state in Palestine and Israeli government's history is that it isn't persuaded by diplomacy on the two state solution. American soldiers will figure out that in this war America was used at stooges for the Jewish people to kill any Just Peace for the Palestinian people specifically it permanently killed any real hope of a two state solution based on the 1967 war border with fair trade-offs, a just peace deal, not the Swiss cheese shaped Palestinian state the Israeli government offered the Palestinians in the 1990's. Most importantly American soldiers will decide for the aforementioned reasons they don't want to be one of the bad guys and they won't reenlist and incoming enlistments will drop off for the same reason and so America's enlistment will be materially harmed by this misguided war!
The other big manipulation being carried out on the American public is the pushing of the narrative that the only way to get rid of the enriched uranium at the Isfahan nuclear facility in Iran which could facilitate Iran building eleven nuclear bombs is to use U.S. ground forces and it would have to be a sizeable force and they would have to be there for at minimum weeks. Hooey, last year in June when there was public discussions about how to destroy the enriched Uranium at Isfahan experts in the media said you could do it by using bomb runs that take a big layer at a time off the mountain on each bomb run and eventually consecutive bomb runs could take out the whole mountain. This tactic should be used. They could use carpet bombing by B52's I remember seeing photos of the bomb crater from the Vietnam war where the crater was a mile wide and tens of feet deep. The country has 76 B52's today and they can carry multiple 500 and 2000 lb gravity bombs use half of the them, 38 B52's, over a course of a week they could do three runs on the Isfahan mountain from their bases in the continental U.S. that should be enough sorties in the past the U.S. air force has flown the B52's from a base in Qatar obviously if that could be arranged the mission could be accomplished much more quickly!
It has been reported that President Trump has said if the Strait of Hormuz isn't reopened in 48 hours he will begin bombing power plants in Iran. He should absolutely not do that because it is immoral and from past media reporting it is probably also illegal this largely harms civilians which need electricity to operate their residences; members of Congress need to tell the President not to do this because it will harm America's reputation and this harm will last for generations! Much has been said about the Israelis and specifically about Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu talking President Donald Trump into this war I don't think that is accurate at all Benjamin Netanyahu has culpability here I believe in not trying to talk President Trump out of the war because the war against Iran doesn't make any sense from the United States perspective because likely the hard line Islamic regime will survive the war because they are too strong and they can then rebuild whatever damage was done but Prime Minister Netanyahu was thinking about the Israeli government interests that is its reputation of getting justice which means if you kill Israelis and the Iran regime has killed many the Israeli government will hunt the perpetrators down and kill them, that is get justice! The truth of the matter what I submit the facts reveal is that President Donald Trump was looking for a big win like he always is, indulging his narcissistic side, and he thought he could force the Iran government to an agreement to end all the trouble it poses to America the nuclear bomb issue, the ballistic missile and drone production problem and the sponsor of terrorism problem; President Trump even said shortly before the war that Iran is going to agree to my terms or else. He made numerous bellicose statement - if there isn't a meaningful deal "So now we may have to take it a step further, or we may not" and "time is running out" and "we have to make a deal otherwise bad things happen" (Aljazeera). With President Trump moving two carrier groups to the Middle East and a bunch of other military assets there, the clearly prudent deduction was that it was intention to go to war against Iran and achieve the "big win deal" that way. It is also consistent with how President Trump thinks he is very clever he isn't wise but very clever he knows that the Jewish lobby and Jewish Americans are very powerful and he if comes out with a policy that helps Israel no matter how morally depraved it is they and thus all the Americans they can influence will back it (for example, his earlier plan to empty Gaza of most Palestinians and then turn it into the Riviera ignoring the moral principle that a portion of Palestine is Palestinian sovereign territory which makes it Palestinian legal and moral right to remain there).
Lastly wisdom and goodness calls for America to adopt a policy where it makes the top priority to eliminate the enriched uranium at Isfahan by bombing out of existence the mountain in which the enriched uranium is currently entombed and once that mission is accomplished permanently stop the attacks against Iran whether a cease fire agreement is reached. On the issue of the Strait of Hormuz it is more likely than not that Iran will completely reopen it because Iran wants to have good relations with its neighbors a big issue for Iran is the Palestinian state goal and almost all the Arab and Persian Gulf States are vocal backers of the two state solution if Iran keeps the Strait of Hormuz closed it hurts these allies and it could jeopardize their commitment to this goal. Moreover, there is so many options that could be taken if Iran doesn't reopen the Strait besides a war with Iran. First, you can tell Iran if you don't allow safe maritime passage through the straight you won't be able to get any of your oil tankers through the straight the U.S. Navy can apprehend the Iranian tankers and sell the oil on the open market and give the money to any of the Middle Eastern countries that have been a victim of Iran's bombing over the past three weeks, you could enlist China to use diplomatic means to lobby Iran to reopen the straight China is a critically important customer for Iran to gain China's cooperation if need be the U.S. navy could blockade the straight of Hormuz for a month every three months, you could lead the world to build a river through Oman and the United Arab Emirates to bypass the Strait of Hormuz and have pipelines and railroads built across this territory to likewise bypass the Strait. Major governments throughout the world could give sweet heart deals to energy companies to produce more oil and gas and so replace Iran's supply in the markets, etc.!
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